What Are People's Motivation To Outlaw Guns In The US?

DS1119

Just curious to hear.

Wilds

They don't understand the importance guns play in keeping people free, and only see the cost of that freedom on display when people do bad things with guns.

gimmesometruth27

i say we just get swedish made penis enlargers for all american males and we would not need guns...

fife

Wilds wrote:

They don't understand the importance guns play in keeping people free, and only see the cost of that freedom on display when people do bad things with guns.

if guns kept people safe wouldn't America be the safest place in the world considering you do have the most guns?

Cosmo

DS1119 wrote:

Just curious to hear.

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Question: Who wants to outlaw guns?
Answer: Not me.
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Question: Who wants to try to do something... anything to keep guns out of the hands of crazy fucks?
Answer: Me.
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Question: How?
Answer: I have no fucking idea.

DS1119

This thread isn't really going the way I intended. I would really like to hear people's ultimate motivations for banning guns.

keeponrockin

I think reducing the amount of hand guns would greatly reduce the number of shooting deaths due to murder.

And before one says 'reducing the amount of cars would reduce driving deaths', it would. But wouldn't comparing car accidents to gun accidents be more apt... I could see comparing vehicular homicide to gun murder however.

Outlawing completely isn't the answer, but stupidly strict controls on hand guns? I could get behind that.

Jamminonthe1

DS1119 wrote:

This thread isn't really going the way I intended. I would really like to hear people's ultimate motivations for banning guns.

Sorry, but you don't get to pick how people answer or what direction they take the thread.

gimmesometruth27

DS1119 wrote:

This thread isn't really going the way I intended. I would really like to hear people's ultimate motivations for banning guns.

most americans are not in favor of banning guns. that rumor is a right wing fear tactic to get out their vote.

JimmyV

Is there a large push to outlaw guns? Maybe in some quarters but I don't believe that is the goal of many who would like to see gun laws strengthened. I have no problem if someone wants to own a gun or two guns or five guns, but I do think we should be able to set a limit on how many guns anyone citizen can possess at any one time. The 2nd Amendment never ever intended to make it legal for you to have an arsenal in your basement. Setting a limit on how many guns can be owned would not infringe upon anyone's right to bare arms, and it wouldn't outlaw guns in the US.

Cosmo

DS1119 wrote:

This thread isn't really going the way I intended. I would really like to hear people's ultimate motivations for banning guns.

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Question: Who wants to ban guns?
Answer: Not me.
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etc, etc, etc...

fife

DS1119 wrote:

This thread isn't really going the way I intended. I would really like to hear people's ultimate motivations for banning guns.

I am not into banning all guns, i just want to make them very hard to get. I think we have seen that there needs to be tougher rules for people to get them.

Vitalogensia

I was about to ask the opposite question.

I don't see the point, I guess. I've never owned a gun, never fired a gun, don't hunt, and never felt unsafe, whether I was living in the suburbs or the city. Plus I listened to a lot of PJ and 311 growing up.

DS1119

So would you say it's harder to get cigarettes or guns? Alcohol or guns? Illegal drugs or guns?


Would you say the motivation is to save lives?

Vitalogensia

I can't answer that question as I've never tried to buy a gun. I read a lot more about people accidentally killing other people with a gun than accidentally saving someone.

To be clear, I don't think guns should be banned.

fife

DS1119 wrote:

So would you say it's harder to get cigarettes or guns? Alcohol or guns? Illegal drugs or guns?


Would you say the motivation is to save lives?

where I live in toronto Canada it is easier to buy cigarettes than anything else but when i travel to america i see places that sell all the above so I don't know.

keeponrockin

DS1119 wrote:

So would you say it's harder to get cigarettes or guns? Alcohol or guns? Illegal drugs or guns?


Would you say the motivation is to save lives?

I think there's a self harm principle at stake here as well. If you want to kill yourself with cigarettes, that's on you (same with booze) but don't get behind the wheel drunk or smoke indoors with other people around you.

That would be my argument against that argument. Guns are designed to kill other people/animals.

DS1119

keeponrockin wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

So would you say it's harder to get cigarettes or guns? Alcohol or guns? Illegal drugs or guns?


Would you say the motivation is to save lives?

I think there's a self harm principle at stake here as well. If you want to kill yourself with cigarettes, that's on you (same with booze) but don't get behind the wheel drunk or smoke indoors with other people around you.

That would be my argument against that argument. Guns are designed to kill other people/animals.

Is it safe to assume then you want guns banned because you feel it would save lives?

Jason P

I don't want to ban guns but I sure want to restrict access. Each day I encounter my fellow citizens in passing by and I wouldn't trust the majority to safely operate a wiffle ball bat, less yet a handgun.

Testing and training need to be prerequisites to owning a handgun. Assault rifles should be banned from the general public. And high-capacity clips should be banned as well. In my opinion.

keeponrockin

DS1119 wrote:

keeponrockin wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

So would you say it's harder to get cigarettes or guns? Alcohol or guns? Illegal drugs or guns?


Would you say the motivation is to save lives?

I think there's a self harm principle at stake here as well. If you want to kill yourself with cigarettes, that's on you (same with booze) but don't get behind the wheel drunk or smoke indoors with other people around you.

That would be my argument against that argument. Guns are designed to kill other people/animals.

Is it safe to assume then you want guns banned because you feel it would save lives?

Overly simplistic.

What are your thoughts on the alcohol/cigarette self harm aspect of it?

JonnyPistachio

Of all the insane discussions we've had here, I think i've only seen maybe 1-2 folks say we should completely ban guns. I fucking hate guns, but I dont think an all out ban is even worthy of talking about.

Im with JasonP here -- I do think guns should be harder to get, smaller magazine capacities, and longer background checks. I dont think 50 caliber sniper rifles should be available to the public because its just not necessary. No online sales with zero background check -- I was amazed to learn how easy it was to get a gun. There should also be mandatory classes. (I know, I know, what criminal with a filed off serial number is going to blah, blah blah...) I dont think these things is too much to ask, just to see if we can reduce the amounts of senseless killings and accidents.

Depends on what you mean by how easy it is to get a gun compared to alcohol, cigs, etc... Anyone can get a gun online pretty easily. Absolutely anyone.