i honestly don't know why you all take the bait...
:nono:
I felt the same way when Cosmo started baiting ... no on can know God :fp:
being the OP I went for the challenge thinking I could perhaps help
with a notion so lost in logic, so narrow in thinking.
Pages consumed by the contrary and combative posts, I finally gave up...
can't make 'em drink.
I'll try to close out the issue of the difference between 'believing' and 'knowing' with this...
Yeah, I will always call bullshit on the arrogance of any person or religion that claims to 'Know' the answer to the question that has puzzled Mankind for all of the Ages. Like, I'll call bullshit every time on Pat Robertson who claims to know... and Rev. Fred Phelps who claims to know... and Heaven's Gate who claims... er... claimed to know... and David Koresh and Baghwan Rashnesh who also claimed to know. Because I know... they don't know. And yeah, that is probably arrogance on my part... so, I invite any of them to prove me wrong and I will freely and openly admit the err of my way.
I have no problem with anyone... individual or multinational doctrine that states a belief. Belief... faith, hope, penitence is personal and tied to the individual, not to the Universe at large. One's personal beliefs are theirs and theirs alone... whether choosing to accept the doctrine of Christianity or Judaism or Islam or Atheist or their own interpretation of their life experience... that belongs to them and I respect that. I will continue to reject the false claim of 'knowledge' of God, simply because, if true, that would result in the nullification of all of those personal beliefs.
Again, i state, this is my personal belief and I have provided a back story to explain how I got here.
peace...
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
I'll try to close out the issue of the difference between 'believing' and 'knowing' with this...
Yeah, I will always call bullshit on the arrogance of any person or religion that claims to 'Know' the answer to the question that has puzzled Mankind for all of the Ages. Like, I'll call bullshit every time on Pat Robertson who claims to know... and Rev. Fred Phelps who claims to know... and Heaven's Gate who claims... er... claimed to know... and David Koresh and Baghwan Rashnesh who also claimed to know. Because I know... they don't know. And yeah, that is probably arrogance on my part... so, I invite any of them to prove me wrong and I will freely and openly admit the err of my way.
I have no problem with anyone... individual or multinational doctrine that states a belief. Belief... faith, hope, penitence is personal and tied to the individual, not to the Universe at large. One's personal beliefs are theirs and theirs alone... whether choosing to accept the doctrine of Christianity or Judaism or Islam or Atheist or their own interpretation of their life experience... that belongs to them and I respect that. I will continue to reject the false claim of 'knowledge' of God, simply because, if true, that would result in the nullification of all of those personal beliefs.
Again, i state, this is my personal belief and I have provided a back story to explain how I got here.
peace...
To know God takes nothing from others beliefs, quite the contrary,
it brings much more respect and admiration than you certainly offer
with your incessant calling bullshit and doing your very best to try not to understand.
which of course is the height of arrogance.
This shows who you are. Where you are.
Knowing God is a very humbling place by the way. Maybe you could imagine... wait maybe not.
Shouldn't you be honest with yourself and admit you are
an atheist?
Admit you reject the idea of God entirely. You reject everyone's religion,
even mine which is not a religion.
Shouldn't you own your not wanting to know God? Thinking no one is able?
It's ok to be an atheist, saying you are seeking when you are not is misleading.
You have admitted you are not open to the possibilities.
Honesty is important. To be honest with yourself.
My experiences have shown me, given to me. I know God. I have personal proof.
I am not alone.
Again I ask what could someone say to convince you?
What event could prove to you God exists?
Is it nothing? As I suggested before. If so it's time to be happy with where you are
and let others be happy with what they know.
Otherwise you are certainly pushing your beliefs upon others. Allow others to know God,
don't stifle because you are unable.
Then perhaps you can go in peace when you stop tormenting and baiting believers who know God.
Pandora.... If all you are going to do is cast judgement on my character and motives... please, place me on your ignore list.
Thank you.
you first lady friend
please stop baiting...
there are people who know God and to bait them is really insensitive.
In the future just say you don't know God ... that is a correct statement
and try not to speak for everyone on Earth.
Lemme guess. I didn't make the list, did I?
...
Testing... testing... check.... check...
In my opinion... Knowing God would result in words of acceptance and respect of my unanswered questions. It would be tempered with empathy and understanding of my personal dilemma in struggling with this question. It would not be met with judgement of my character, misconception of my motives, condesending arrogance and general not-very-niceishness.
...
End test.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
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Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,088
How about this for a simple take on truth and god and such: More can be learned from asking the right questions than ever will be found in believing one has all the answers.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.” Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.
How about this for a simple take on truth and god and such: More can be learned from asking the right questions than ever will be found in believing one has all the answers.
...
That is true... I have learned more about people than God. Whether it is Christianity or Judaism or the spiritual beliefs of an individual, the true aspects of who the person is, comes to the surface. It tends to bring out the true character of the person I am speaking to, rather than the person they wish to portray themselves as.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
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brianlux
Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,088
How about this for a simple take on truth and god and such: More can be learned from asking the right questions than ever will be found in believing one has all the answers.
...
That is true... I have learned more about people than God. Whether it is Christianity or Judaism or the spiritual beliefs of an individual, the true aspects of who the person is, comes to the surface. It tends to bring out the true character of the person I am speaking to, rather than the person they wish to portray themselves as.
Hmm, interesting thought, Cosmo. This could lead to a conversation about being forthright which is sort of a subset of truthfulness which is a subset of truth.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.” Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.
Hmm, interesting thought, Cosmo. This could lead to a conversation about being forthright which is sort of a subset of truthfulness which is a subset of truth.
...
It is.
I have had people exalt the greatness of their love for all of God's creations... then, condemn a massive portion of humans because of their belief system being not the same as their own.
Which had lead me to the perception that Religion isn't bad... it's the truths in the people who believe that create the problems. Like, the Rev. Phelps clan... it is their message, not the Christian Religion they claim to represent, that is the basis of their shitheadedness.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Hmm, interesting thought, Cosmo. This could lead to a conversation about being forthright which is sort of a subset of truthfulness which is a subset of truth.
I think that, yonks ago, there was a thead about 'true colours'..... (or rather 'colors'!). Think it may have also gone down a certain path....
Though, as you say, interesting topic. Another thread perhaps? Are we who we really say we are? Might mess with my mind!
I think that, yonks ago, there was a thead about 'true colours'..... (or rather 'colors'!). Think it may have also gone down a certain path....
Though, as you say, interesting topic. Another thread perhaps? Are we who we really say we are? Might mess with my mind!
...
You are correct. A person's true colors do reveal themselves in certain situations. For the most part, you can kind of get a relatively correct assessment of someone by simple observation... although that can somewhat be tainted by a person who presents themself in a light they wish others to see them in.
For example, we all lie. Anyone who tells you they NEVER lie... is probably lying. They may never see the lie they believe, but, truth is... they lie.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
We can not trust liars. Some hearts are just unable to be truthful.
Sad but true. It's ok, we accept some must lie ...
Comes down to the heart. Thankfully most people don't have to lie...
they are real and proud of it. Make decisions that don't require a cover up.
Live a life that is true of heart. Motives pure.
That is where true colors live is in the true heart.
Positively lovely those true colors can be ... like a rainbow spectrum of light!
I have found some lovely people in my life, I have learned much from.
This is living!
How about this for a simple take on truth and god and such: More can be learned from asking the right questions than ever will be found in believing one has all the answers.
I have found the most meaningful answers when I didn't even realize I was asking ...
there are no wrong questions by the way only wrong answers in my opinion,
I think that, yonks ago, there was a thead about 'true colours'..... (or rather 'colors'!). Think it may have also gone down a certain path....
Though, as you say, interesting topic. Another thread perhaps? Are we who we really say we are? Might mess with my mind!
Yes ! I agree!
I have found from listening that some don't want to know who they are ...
like there is something they avoid. I can feel the fear when the subject is close.
If they would only know feeling is the answer, even if painful. Straight up, heart first
if only they would dive in. Then they would know.
How about this for a simple take on truth and god and such: More can be learned from asking the right questions than ever will be found in believing one has all the answers.
...
That is true... I have learned more about people than God. Whether it is Christianity or Judaism or the spiritual beliefs of an individual, the true aspects of who the person is, comes to the surface. It tends to bring out the true character of the person I am speaking to, rather than the person they wish to portray themselves as.
This so true some are not at all what I thought from how they have portrayed themselves
in the past. Even our last conversation with your baiting, I realized much more about you
and your beliefs and criticism of others.
I knew you used rude tendencies to get your point across and to show off
but I really felt you would be far more open to possibilities
that are changing people everyday. I was sad to see you are not.
Lemme guess. I didn't make the list, did I?
...
Testing... testing... check.... check...
In my opinion... Knowing God would result in words of acceptance and respect of my unanswered questions. It would be tempered with empathy and understanding of my personal dilemma in struggling with this question. It would not be met with judgement of my character, misconception of my motives, condesending arrogance and general not-very-niceishness.
...
End test.
Not when you consistently call someone bullshit
really?
can you be honest?
It is baiting and a challenging to say no one can know God.
Stop pretending please.It's embarrassing for you.
If you wanted to try to know God you would be open to possibilities
not contrary.
Why do you think you deserve to be treated with respect when you don't
treat others as so?
My words are sincere, my trying to help you from the heart.
Can you say your words and actions come from the same place?
.....And when it is our time to die... we will at least, pick up another truth... is there life after death... or is there not? Afterlife? Void? We will know for sure.
If there's not an afterlife.......we will have nothing to know with
.....And when it is our time to die... we will at least, pick up another truth... is there life after death... or is there not? Afterlife? Void? We will know for sure.
If there's not an afterlife.......we will have nothing to know with
...
Yes. But, it will still be a truth... we will no longer exist, therefore, afterlife does not exist.
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Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Hmm, interesting thought, Cosmo. This could lead to a conversation about being forthright which is sort of a subset of truthfulness which is a subset of truth.
...
It is. I have had people exalt the greatness of their love for all of God's creations... then, condemn a massive portion of humans because of their belief system being not the same as their own.
Which had lead me to the perception that Religion isn't bad... it's the truths in the people who believe that create the problems. Like, the Rev. Phelps clan... it is their message, not the Christian Religion they claim to represent, that is the basis of their shitheadedness.
i believe we call that hypocrisy cosmo.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
so it would appear my truth for today was spoken by my #2... she informed me i wont be able to listen to the triple j hottest 100 on australia day(cause ill be cruisingthe south pacific).. i said dont tell me that. she replied, TRUTH. so there you have it.. truth is relative.. and sometimes its a bit of a bummer.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Comments
:nono:
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
being the OP I went for the challenge thinking I could perhaps help
with a notion so lost in logic, so narrow in thinking.
Pages consumed by the contrary and combative posts, I finally gave up...
can't make 'em drink.
I guess that can be my reply in the future.
I know gimme. I know.... :oops: Just feeds the beast, as they say.
mea culpa :oops: I'll try harder.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVpw1SwJRBI
:thumbup:
mmmmmmmmmmmmmm... NIN! Hope what Trent said about a new album soon is THE TRUTH!!!
Yeah, I will always call bullshit on the arrogance of any person or religion that claims to 'Know' the answer to the question that has puzzled Mankind for all of the Ages. Like, I'll call bullshit every time on Pat Robertson who claims to know... and Rev. Fred Phelps who claims to know... and Heaven's Gate who claims... er... claimed to know... and David Koresh and Baghwan Rashnesh who also claimed to know. Because I know... they don't know. And yeah, that is probably arrogance on my part... so, I invite any of them to prove me wrong and I will freely and openly admit the err of my way.
I have no problem with anyone... individual or multinational doctrine that states a belief. Belief... faith, hope, penitence is personal and tied to the individual, not to the Universe at large. One's personal beliefs are theirs and theirs alone... whether choosing to accept the doctrine of Christianity or Judaism or Islam or Atheist or their own interpretation of their life experience... that belongs to them and I respect that. I will continue to reject the false claim of 'knowledge' of God, simply because, if true, that would result in the nullification of all of those personal beliefs.
Again, i state, this is my personal belief and I have provided a back story to explain how I got here.
peace...
Hail, Hail!!!
To know God takes nothing from others beliefs, quite the contrary,
it brings much more respect and admiration than you certainly offer
with your incessant calling bullshit and doing your very best to try not to understand.
which of course is the height of arrogance.
This shows who you are. Where you are.
Knowing God is a very humbling place by the way. Maybe you could imagine... wait maybe not.
Shouldn't you be honest with yourself and admit you are
an atheist?
Admit you reject the idea of God entirely. You reject everyone's religion,
even mine which is not a religion.
Shouldn't you own your not wanting to know God? Thinking no one is able?
It's ok to be an atheist, saying you are seeking when you are not is misleading.
You have admitted you are not open to the possibilities.
Honesty is important. To be honest with yourself.
My experiences have shown me, given to me. I know God. I have personal proof.
I am not alone.
Again I ask what could someone say to convince you?
What event could prove to you God exists?
Is it nothing? As I suggested before. If so it's time to be happy with where you are
and let others be happy with what they know.
Otherwise you are certainly pushing your beliefs upon others. Allow others to know God,
don't stifle because you are unable.
Then perhaps you can go in peace when you stop tormenting and baiting believers who know God.
Thank you.
Hail, Hail!!!
please stop baiting...
there are people who know God and to bait them is really insensitive.
In the future just say you don't know God ... that is a correct statement
and try not to speak for everyone on Earth.
thank you
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
...
Testing... testing... check.... check...
In my opinion... Knowing God would result in words of acceptance and respect of my unanswered questions. It would be tempered with empathy and understanding of my personal dilemma in struggling with this question. It would not be met with judgement of my character, misconception of my motives, condesending arrogance and general not-very-niceishness.
...
End test.
Hail, Hail!!!
It is, indeed, Chadwick!
How about this for a simple take on truth and god and such: More can be learned from asking the right questions than ever will be found in believing one has all the answers.
That is true... I have learned more about people than God. Whether it is Christianity or Judaism or the spiritual beliefs of an individual, the true aspects of who the person is, comes to the surface. It tends to bring out the true character of the person I am speaking to, rather than the person they wish to portray themselves as.
Hail, Hail!!!
Hmm, interesting thought, Cosmo. This could lead to a conversation about being forthright which is sort of a subset of truthfulness which is a subset of truth.
It is.
I have had people exalt the greatness of their love for all of God's creations... then, condemn a massive portion of humans because of their belief system being not the same as their own.
Which had lead me to the perception that Religion isn't bad... it's the truths in the people who believe that create the problems. Like, the Rev. Phelps clan... it is their message, not the Christian Religion they claim to represent, that is the basis of their shitheadedness.
Hail, Hail!!!
I think that, yonks ago, there was a thead about 'true colours'..... (or rather 'colors'!). Think it may have also gone down a certain path....
Though, as you say, interesting topic. Another thread perhaps? Are we who we really say we are? Might mess with my mind!
You are correct. A person's true colors do reveal themselves in certain situations. For the most part, you can kind of get a relatively correct assessment of someone by simple observation... although that can somewhat be tainted by a person who presents themself in a light they wish others to see them in.
For example, we all lie. Anyone who tells you they NEVER lie... is probably lying. They may never see the lie they believe, but, truth is... they lie.
Hail, Hail!!!
Sad but true. It's ok, we accept some must lie ...
Comes down to the heart. Thankfully most people don't have to lie...
they are real and proud of it. Make decisions that don't require a cover up.
Live a life that is true of heart. Motives pure.
That is where true colors live is in the true heart.
Positively lovely those true colors can be ... like a rainbow spectrum of light!
I have found some lovely people in my life, I have learned much from.
This is living!
there are no wrong questions by the way only wrong answers in my opinion,
sometimes one can even hear that buzzer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNhh0IjcroA
I have found from listening that some don't want to know who they are ...
like there is something they avoid. I can feel the fear when the subject is close.
If they would only know feeling is the answer, even if painful. Straight up, heart first
if only they would dive in. Then they would know.
in the past. Even our last conversation with your baiting, I realized much more about you
and your beliefs and criticism of others.
I knew you used rude tendencies to get your point across and to show off
but I really felt you would be far more open to possibilities
that are changing people everyday. I was sad to see you are not.
really?
can you be honest?
It is baiting and a challenging to say no one can know God.
Stop pretending please.It's embarrassing for you.
If you wanted to try to know God you would be open to possibilities
not contrary.
Why do you think you deserve to be treated with respect when you don't
treat others as so?
My words are sincere, my trying to help you from the heart.
Can you say your words and actions come from the same place?
If so lets try again
we are all a work in progress yes?
If there's not an afterlife.......we will have nothing to know with
Very well said. You should write
It all comes down to changing your head~~John Lennon
MSG 6-24-08/MSG 5-21-10/Philly MIA 9-2-12/Chicago Wrigley Field 7-19-13/Brooklyn NY 1&2 10-2013/Philly 1&2 10-2013
Yes. But, it will still be a truth... we will no longer exist, therefore, afterlife does not exist.
Hail, Hail!!!
i believe we call that hypocrisy cosmo.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say