A Year In Jail For Not Believing in God? Oh, Kentucky.

PJ_Soul

http://www.alternet.org/belief/year-jai ... g-atheists

Hmmm. Yikes. I can't believe people are comfortable with this guy being in government (or that so many people would have been comfortable with the same thinking from a man in the White House).

I realize that no one is really going to go to jail for not believing in God - it's the attitude of religious politicians, and that fact that the lawsuit against this stupid law was overturned by the court of appeals.

BLACK35

what happens after a yr when you still don't believe in God.............do you get another yr :think:

aerial

PJ_Soul wrote:

http://www.alternet.org/belief/year-jail-not-believing-god-how-kentucky-persecuting-atheists

Hmmm. Yikes. I can't believe people are comfortable with this guy being in government (or that so many people would have been comfortable with the same thinking from a man in the White House).

I realize that no one is really going to go to jail for not believing in God - it's the attitude of religious politicians, and that fact that the lawsuit against this stupid law was overturned by the court of appeals.

Why do the atheist fight so hard against something they say does not exist?

brianlux

BLACK35 wrote:

what happens after a yr when you still don't believe in God.............do you get another yr :think:

Correct. And the third time? Three strikes, you're out. Straight to hell. Do not pass Go.

What year is this?

PJ_Soul

aerial wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

http://www.alternet.org/belief/year-jail-not-believing-god-how-kentucky-persecuting-atheists

Hmmm. Yikes. I can't believe people are comfortable with this guy being in government (or that so many people would have been comfortable with the same thinking from a man in the White House).

I realize that no one is really going to go to jail for not believing in God - it's the attitude of religious politicians, and that fact that the lawsuit against this stupid law was overturned by the court of appeals.

Why do the atheist fight so hard against something they say does not exist?

:fp: They're not fighting against God. They're fighting against politicians and how they govern. Because they don't want to live under a government that rules itself by the beliefs of something they don't even think exists. People who make decisions that affect everybody based on their religious beliefs are NOT governing in the interests of all people. Religion in government, for example, affects laws about gay marriage and abortion, while the ONLY belief that should be governing such things is the one that dictates that all people are created equal and people must be treated equally under the law, and the right to rules ones own body. Religion very rarely coincides with that little rule.... Was that a serious question you asked??

riotgrl

aerial wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

http://www.alternet.org/belief/year-jail-not-believing-god-how-kentucky-persecuting-atheists

Hmmm. Yikes. I can't believe people are comfortable with this guy being in government (or that so many people would have been comfortable with the same thinking from a man in the White House).

I realize that no one is really going to go to jail for not believing in God - it's the attitude of religious politicians, and that fact that the lawsuit against this stupid law was overturned by the court of appeals.

Why do the atheist fight so hard against something they say does not exist?

Because these groups infringe on others constitutional rights. Why do these religious groups insist on forcing their religious beliefs onto everyone else?

brianlux

aerial wrote:

Why do the atheist fight so hard against something they say does not exist?

It's not that they fight against anything. It's that they fight for the right to not believe in God.

AzWicker

aerial wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

http://www.alternet.org/belief/year-jail-not-believing-god-how-kentucky-persecuting-atheists

Hmmm. Yikes. I can't believe people are comfortable with this guy being in government (or that so many people would have been comfortable with the same thinking from a man in the White House).

I realize that no one is really going to go to jail for not believing in God - it's the attitude of religious politicians, and that fact that the lawsuit against this stupid law was overturned by the court of appeals.

Why do the atheist fight so hard against something they say does not exist?

see Iran

aerial

PJ_Soul wrote:

http://www.alternet.org/belief/year-jail-not-believing-god-how-kentucky-persecuting-atheists

Hmmm. Yikes. I can't believe people are comfortable with this guy being in government (or that so many people would have been comfortable with the same thinking from a man in the White House).

I realize that no one is really going to go to jail for not believing in God - it's the attitude of religious politicians, and that fact that the lawsuit against this stupid law was overturned by the court of appeals.

The people voted for him. They got what they wanted.

markin ball

I feel bad about all the money, effort and resources that were wasted in the creation of this law and the attempt to defeat it. All of those things could have went towards something of real importance. What a selfish, asshole this represenative is. "You must praise my God so I feel more secure and jusitfied in my beliefs and bullshit!!!!

fear4freedom

aerial wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

http://www.alternet.org/belief/year-jail-not-believing-god-how-kentucky-persecuting-atheists

Hmmm. Yikes. I can't believe people are comfortable with this guy being in government (or that so many people would have been comfortable with the same thinking from a man in the White House).

I realize that no one is really going to go to jail for not believing in God - it's the attitude of religious politicians, and that fact that the lawsuit against this stupid law was overturned by the court of appeals.

Why do the atheist fight so hard against something they say does not exist?

They want to take away your RIGHT TO BELIEVE! And many others!

markin ball

fear4freedom wrote:

aerial wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

http://www.alternet.org/belief/year-jail-not-believing-god-how-kentucky-persecuting-atheists

Hmmm. Yikes. I can't believe people are comfortable with this guy being in government (or that so many people would have been comfortable with the same thinking from a man in the White House).

I realize that no one is really going to go to jail for not believing in God - it's the attitude of religious politicians, and that fact that the lawsuit against this stupid law was overturned by the court of appeals.

Why do the atheist fight so hard against something they say does not exist?

They want to take away your RIGHT TO BELIEVE! And many others!

The atheists fear for freedom, actually.

keeponrockin

You're fucking kidding me? How is this different than the Taliban?

keeponrockin

How can anyone reasonably defend this?

PJ_Soul

keeponrockin wrote:

How can anyone reasonably defend this?

I've come to understand that when you're dealing with religious belief, reason has nothing to do with it. And therein lies the rub.

pjradio

at least we make this:


gotta count for something

catefrances

PJ_Soul wrote:

keeponrockin wrote:

How can anyone reasonably defend this?

I've come to understand that when you're dealing with religious belief, reason has nothing to do with it. And therein lies the rub.

thats cause you dont need reason to believe in God/s... all you need is faith whichas we all know requires no reason.

Cosmo

AzWicker wrote:

aerial wrote:

Q: Why do the atheist fight so hard against something they say does not exist?

A: See Iran

...
Gold Star for the Day.

MotoDC

pjradio wrote:

at least we make this:


gotta count for something

Ohhhh baby. Maker's Mark is alllllright. :thumbup:

pandora

catefrances wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

keeponrockin wrote:

How can anyone reasonably defend this?

I've come to understand that when you're dealing with religious belief, reason has nothing to do with it. And therein lies the rub.

thats cause you dont need reason to believe in God/s... all you need is faith whichas we all know requires no reason.

just common sense...

it would be nice if both sides of this little war could be less antagonistic...
be respectful, be the kind of people commons sense tells us we should be whether
God lives in our hearts or not.

Johnny Abruzzo

pandora wrote:

just common sense...

it would be nice if both sides of this little war could be less antagonistic...
be respectful, be the kind of people commons sense tells us we should be whether
God lives in our hearts or not.

There are two sides, and one side seems to not "believe" in the 1st Amendment of the Constitution.

Can somebody explain the rationale that led to the law being upheld???

BinauralJam

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

pandora wrote:

just common sense...

it would be nice if both sides of this little war could be less antagonistic...
be respectful, be the kind of people commons sense tells us we should be whether
God lives in our hearts or not.

There are two sides, and one side seems to not "believe" in the 1st Amendment of the Constitution.

Can somebody explain the rationale that led to the law being upheld???

Cosmo

Note To Self: If I ever find myself in the State of Kentucky... remember to lie and say, 'Yeah, I believe in God.. now, get outta my face, you Bible-thumping backwoods literal mother fucker. Peace be in His name.'

catefrances

Cosmo wrote:

Note To Self: If I ever find myself in the State of Kentucky... remember to lie and say, 'Yeah, I believe in God.. now, get outta my face, you Bible-thumping backwoods literal mother fucker. Peace be in His name.'

or just say you are a God and see how they handle that revelation. if they say prove it, calmly say faith requires no proof you simply must believe that i am a God and that i do exist.. for would i be standing before if i did not.... then run for your life.

dancepartner

uh... brain asked "what year is this?" All I can add is "what nation do we live in?"
Two states I've never been to; Tennessee and Kentucky. Now, I'm finding a greater pang to go there. See for myself if I can detect something cumulatively odd about Kentuckians!
PS. with that said, the one memory I have that must be responsible for ignighting my patriotism can be easily traced to standing in rain, snow or shine to say the pledge of Allegiance every morning at 9 a.m. sharp when I was in gradeschool. Guess I'm a sucker for some traditions & symbolism and the word God does not offend me in the least.

catefrances

dancepartner wrote:

uh... brain asked "what year is this?" All I can add is "what nation do we live in?"
Two states I've never been to; Tennessee and Kentucky. Now, I'm finding a greater pang to go there. See for myself if I can detect something cumulatively odd about Kentuckians!
PS. with that said, the one memory I have that must be responsible for ignighting my patriotism can be easily traced to standing in rain, snow or shine to say the pledge of Allegiance every morning at 9 a.m. sharp when I was in gradeschool. Guess I'm a sucker for some traditions & symbolism and the word God does not offend me in the least.

its not about being offended by the word God...its about being forced to 'acknowledge the security provided by the Almighty God' under threat of imprisonment.

PJ_Soul

catefrances wrote:

dancepartner wrote:

uh... brain asked "what year is this?" All I can add is "what nation do we live in?"
Two states I've never been to; Tennessee and Kentucky. Now, I'm finding a greater pang to go there. See for myself if I can detect something cumulatively odd about Kentuckians!
PS. with that said, the one memory I have that must be responsible for ignighting my patriotism can be easily traced to standing in rain, snow or shine to say the pledge of Allegiance every morning at 9 a.m. sharp when I was in gradeschool. Guess I'm a sucker for some traditions & symbolism and the word God does not offend me in the least.

its not about being offended by the word God...its about being forced to 'acknowledge the security provided by the Almighty God' under threat of imprisonment.

Exactly. Hell, the Canadian national anthem has the line "God, keep our land glorious and free" in it, and I sing the song proudly, and oppose those who have suggested it should be taken out, even though I'm an atheist. We're not talking about people being overly sensitive about God here. We're talking about something sinister in government.

dancepartner

thank you PJ Soul for getting my point. Catafrance; the very idea we live in 2012 yet a new law has been written about religious preferance with imprisonment consequences says it all.
As for God, I'm simply stating my own comfort zone. God is a term used to describe all that is omnipotent.
I do not know with certainty any more than every devout of brand X, theologian, expert or athiest but here's the key: they don't know with any more certainty than you and I do either. That is why all-thats-not-known, and that's allot, resides under terms like universal intelligence, intelligent design, or the God-factor and why this little zit on the ass of it all is just fine with the use of God. It's the shortest term to describe above para.

catefrances

dancepartner wrote:

thank you PJ Soul for getting my point. Catafrance; the very idea we live in 2012 yet a new law has been written about religious preferance with imprisonment consequences says it all....

yes, as i said....

its about being forced to 'acknowledge the security of...

Cosmo

dancepartner wrote:

thank you PJ Soul for getting my point. Catafrance; the very idea we live in 2012 yet a new law has been written about religious preferance with imprisonment consequences says it all.
As for God, I'm simply stating my own comfort zone. God is a term used to describe all that is omnipotent.
I do not know with certainty any more than every devout of brand X, theologian, expert or athiest but here's the key: they don't know with any more certainty than you and I do either. That is why all-thats-not-known, and that's allot, resides under terms like universal intelligence, intelligent design, or the God-factor and why this little zit on the ass of it all is just fine with the use of God. It's the shortest term to describe above para.

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That is my viewpoint... the only thing we KNOW about God is... we don't know. And we know that NO ONE KNOWS because God (or whatever term is use) is beyond our current level of consciousness within this physical state of being. Not priests... not theologists... not Prophets... not Saints... not any human being, especially Politicians.
We have belief, hope and faith to help guide us through uncertainty... but, we have to understand that Knowledge is knowledge and is certainly not belief... just as belief is belief... not knowledge.

mickeyrat

Cosmo wrote:

dancepartner wrote:

thank you PJ Soul for getting my point. Catafrance; the very idea we live in 2012 yet a new law has been written about religious preferance with imprisonment consequences says it all.
As for God, I'm simply stating my own comfort zone. God is a term used to describe all that is omnipotent.
I do not know with certainty any more than every devout of brand X, theologian, expert or athiest but here's the key: they don't know with any more certainty than you and I do either. That is why all-thats-not-known, and that's allot, resides under terms like universal intelligence, intelligent design, or the God-factor and why this little zit on the ass of it all is just fine with the use of God. It's the shortest term to describe above para.

...
That is my viewpoint... the only thing we KNOW about God is... we don't know. And we know that NO ONE KNOWS because God (or whatever term is use) is beyond our current level of consciousness within this physical state of being. Not priests... not theologists... not Prophets... not Saints... not any human being, especially Politicians.
We have belief, hope and faith to help guide us through uncertainty... but, we have to understand that Knowledge is knowledge and is certainly not belief... just as belief is belief... not knowledge.

Unless your name starts with P.