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Willard Mitt Romney. President January 20, 2013

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    pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    Maybe in part... But I think it more speaks to how crazy and stupid some people are being.
    there's some compassion right there
    :roll: Who should I feel compassion for? Ted Nugent, Donald Trump, or those racist fuckers on Twitter. :fp: I'm talking about all these people screaming about moving to Canada (that is HILARIOUS, the irony is so thick!), and those calling for revolution, etc etc etc. Hence my term "mouth-frothing".
    Ted and Donald speak for a different reason and it is crazy like a fox not at all stupid.

    I think wanting to bail from this country is a legitimate feeling.
    I think seniors are appalled. I think young adults are afraid, I think blue collar
    is sick. As I said Obama only brings hope to some. The rest have a right to be disappointed and
    if it comes out harsh so be it. We do have freedom of speech....
    wait last I checked.
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    pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    Many of us (about 49%) were upset in 2004 that the carnage of the Iraq War was going to continue, and shocked that 51% of the country tacitly approved. I think they're was some justified grief there, right?

    Not sure what the equivalent is for the righties this year. I really don't understand why they hate Obama so much. Honestly.


    EDIT: I thought pandora wrote that quote at first if my response seems out of context.
    Say what? millions have lost jobs that aren't back.
    Lost homes, hopes, dreams. Romney was a hope for a way out for many almost 48% many.
    Look at the deficit and tell us there is nothing to worry about.
    Obama is more of the same when we don't have time for more of the same.
    They do not believe he will make any change let alone the right change.
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,752
    pandora wrote:
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    there's some compassion right there
    :roll: Who should I feel compassion for? Ted Nugent, Donald Trump, or those racist fuckers on Twitter. :fp: I'm talking about all these people screaming about moving to Canada (that is HILARIOUS, the irony is so thick!), and those calling for revolution, etc etc etc. Hence my term "mouth-frothing".
    Ted and Donald speak for a different reason and it is crazy like a fox not at all stupid.

    I think wanting to bail from this country is a legitimate feeling.
    I think seniors are appalled. I think young adults are afraid, I think blue collar
    is sick. As I said Obama only brings hope to some. The rest have a right to be disappointed and
    if it comes out harsh so be it. We do have freedom of speech....
    wait last I checked.
    Exactly. And I have the right so say that some people are acting like fucking insane morons about it. As though the Devil himself just won the election. Literally. It's ridiculous with an unemployment rate of less than 8%. Holy overreaction.
    So who did you say you voted for?
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,752
    pandora wrote:
    Many of us (about 49%) were upset in 2004 that the carnage of the Iraq War was going to continue, and shocked that 51% of the country tacitly approved. I think they're was some justified grief there, right?

    Not sure what the equivalent is for the righties this year. I really don't understand why they hate Obama so much. Honestly.


    EDIT: I thought pandora wrote that quote at first if my response seems out of context.
    Say what? millions have lost jobs that aren't back.
    Lost homes, hopes, dreams. Romney was a hope for a way out for many almost 48% many.
    Look at the deficit and tell us there is nothing to worry about.
    Obama is more of the same when we don't have time for more of the same.
    They do not believe he will make any change let alone the right change.
    I think what seems doubly insane, though, aside from the ridiculous extremes of the reactions, is the idea that Romney would have saved them. That is just crazy talk.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
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    Johnny AbruzzoJohnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 10,744
    pandora wrote:
    Many of us (about 49%) were upset in 2004 that the carnage of the Iraq War was going to continue, and shocked that 51% of the country tacitly approved. I think they're was some justified grief there, right?

    Not sure what the equivalent is for the righties this year. I really don't understand why they hate Obama so much. Honestly.


    EDIT: I thought pandora wrote that quote at first if my response seems out of context.
    Say what? millions have lost jobs that aren't back.
    Lost homes, hopes, dreams. Romney was a hope for a way out for many almost 48% many.
    Look at the deficit and tell us there is nothing to worry about.
    Obama is more of the same when we don't have time for more of the same.
    They do not believe he will make any change let alone the right change.

    Well we've been over it a million times and you clearly aren't gonna see that the economy is in much better shape than it was on 1/20/09.

    Some jobs simply aren't going to come back - unskilled factory jobs and the like. People need to have skills or education or they aren't going to find good jobs. Obama didn't authorize getting rid of those jobs himself, as opposed to W and the Iraq War.

    I look forward to four more years of your Obama rants. ;)8-)
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    pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    :roll: Who should I feel compassion for? Ted Nugent, Donald Trump, or those racist fuckers on Twitter. :fp: I'm talking about all these people screaming about moving to Canada (that is HILARIOUS, the irony is so thick!), and those calling for revolution, etc etc etc. Hence my term "mouth-frothing".
    Ted and Donald speak for a different reason and it is crazy like a fox not at all stupid.

    I think wanting to bail from this country is a legitimate feeling.
    I think seniors are appalled. I think young adults are afraid, I think blue collar
    is sick. As I said Obama only brings hope to some. The rest have a right to be disappointed and
    if it comes out harsh so be it. We do have freedom of speech....
    wait last I checked.
    Exactly. And I have the right so say that some people are acting like fucking insane morons about it. As though the Devil himself just won the election. Literally. It's ridiculous with an unemployment rate of less than 8%. Holy overreaction.
    So who did you say you voted for?
    Third party ... but I don't have to ask you because you're not from here :lol:
    and yes of course go ahead and give your opinion and mine was you lack compassion
    is all.

    Do you understand how fragile our country is?
    Perhaps you would like to be one of the 8% unemployed who's checks are stopping
    if we cliff dive.

    8% is a lot and factor in the youth at 17%
    one of every two graduating college no job for them.

    Think of of the millions who lost their homes.
    Who won't be able to replace it.
    Think of the small business owner struggling to provide jobs
    for employees who are like family to them.
    Think of the children facing the 17 trillion and growing deficit.
    Think of our elderly who once were proud of their country
    only to see it going to hell.

    I'd say people have a right to react alright! However they feel it!!
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    chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

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    chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    pjradio wrote:
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    If that is genuine shock at Tuesday night's events then those people really do live in a bubble and are disconnected from reality.
    thank you, johnny! that is fantastic and so very true.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
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    pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    pandora wrote:
    Many of us (about 49%) were upset in 2004 that the carnage of the Iraq War was going to continue, and shocked that 51% of the country tacitly approved. I think they're was some justified grief there, right?

    Not sure what the equivalent is for the righties this year. I really don't understand why they hate Obama so much. Honestly.


    EDIT: I thought pandora wrote that quote at first if my response seems out of context.
    Say what? millions have lost jobs that aren't back.
    Lost homes, hopes, dreams. Romney was a hope for a way out for many almost 48% many.
    Look at the deficit and tell us there is nothing to worry about.
    Obama is more of the same when we don't have time for more of the same.
    They do not believe he will make any change let alone the right change.

    Well we've been over it a million times and you clearly aren't gonna see that the economy is in much better shape than it was on 1/20/09.

    Some jobs simply aren't going to come back - unskilled factory jobs and the like. People need to have skills or education or they aren't going to find good jobs. Obama didn't authorize getting rid of those jobs himself, as opposed to W and the Iraq War.

    I look forward to four more years of your Obama rants. ;)8-)
    I truly hope I don't have to! That would mean good things for my country.
    But I won't accept anything but better
    nor rationalize because I wear a certain pair of glasses.
    My glasses have nothing but clear glass in them and I'm looking for
    a better future for my kids.
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    chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    What shocks me is how weirdly and completely devastated some people seem. I mean, I understand a certain level of devastation... there was a lot of it in 2004, no doubt. But this is a whole new and mouth-frothing level of devastation ... I think those who think that Obama is single-handedly going to cause the immediate collapse of America both spiritually and economically seem pretty fucking delusional.
    nicely said... plus many of the sad & long faced folks put worth a heavy bit of money toward the mitt romney for president campaign. remember that one (i believe he had several dinners) $50,000 per plate fund raiser? is that the right wording?
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
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    MayDay10MayDay10 Posts: 11,625

    Well we've been over it a million times and you clearly aren't gonna see that the economy is in much better shape than it was on 1/20/09.

    Some jobs simply aren't going to come back - unskilled factory jobs and the like. People need to have skills or education or they aren't going to find good jobs. Obama didn't authorize getting rid of those jobs himself, as opposed to W and the Iraq War.

    I look forward to four more years of your Obama rants. ;)8-)

    Think of the poor millionaires
    who now will have to rent their 3rd vacation home for a weekend
    and only send their children to cornell
    Possibly decrease their fleet of antique cars
    to make up for a few percentage of tax increase
    to pre gw bush levels
    too much they say!
    They had hope but it went away :fp:
    now their only but is the butthurt variety
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    Thoughts_ArriveThoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    lol at Willard Mitt, what kind of name is that.
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    CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,224
    MayDay10 wrote:

    Well we've been over it a million times and you clearly aren't gonna see that the economy is in much better shape than it was on 1/20/09.

    Some jobs simply aren't going to come back - unskilled factory jobs and the like. People need to have skills or education or they aren't going to find good jobs. Obama didn't authorize getting rid of those jobs himself, as opposed to W and the Iraq War.

    I look forward to four more years of your Obama rants. ;)8-)

    Think of the poor millionaires
    who now will have to rent their 3rd vacation home for a weekend
    and only send their children to cornell
    Possibly decrease their fleet of antique cars
    to make up for a few percentage of tax increase
    to pre gw bush levels
    too much they say!
    They had hope but it went away :fp:
    now their only but is the butthurt variety
    ...
    Don't forget... having to feed their Dressage Horses DOMESTIC alfalfa.
    Oh... the humanity.
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,752
    pandora wrote:
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    Ted and Donald speak for a different reason and it is crazy like a fox not at all stupid.

    I think wanting to bail from this country is a legitimate feeling.
    I think seniors are appalled. I think young adults are afraid, I think blue collar
    is sick. As I said Obama only brings hope to some. The rest have a right to be disappointed and
    if it comes out harsh so be it. We do have freedom of speech....
    wait last I checked.
    Exactly. And I have the right so say that some people are acting like fucking insane morons about it. As though the Devil himself just won the election. Literally. It's ridiculous with an unemployment rate of less than 8%. Holy overreaction.
    So who did you say you voted for?
    Third party ... but I don't have to ask you because you're not from here :lol:
    and yes of course go ahead and give your opinion and mine was you lack compassion
    is all.

    Do you understand how fragile our country is?
    Perhaps you would like to be one of the 8% unemployed who's checks are stopping
    if we cliff dive.

    8% is a lot and factor in the youth at 17%
    one of every two graduating college no job for them.

    Think of of the millions who lost their homes.
    Who won't be able to replace it.
    Think of the small business owner struggling to provide jobs
    for employees who are like family to them.
    Think of the children facing the 17 trillion and growing deficit.
    Think of our elderly who once were proud of their country
    only to see it going to hell.

    I'd say people have a right to react alright! However they feel it!!
    And most of the people you're talking about aren't who I'm talking about, because you're ignoring half of what I'm saying. I'm talking about the people being insane. Not the normal people who are taking like normal people... Those people you're speaking are NOT the people going bat shit crazy.
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,752
    pandora wrote:
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    Ted and Donald speak for a different reason and it is crazy like a fox not at all stupid.

    I think wanting to bail from this country is a legitimate feeling.
    I think seniors are appalled. I think young adults are afraid, I think blue collar
    is sick. As I said Obama only brings hope to some. The rest have a right to be disappointed and
    if it comes out harsh so be it. We do have freedom of speech....
    wait last I checked.
    Exactly. And I have the right so say that some people are acting like fucking insane morons about it. As though the Devil himself just won the election. Literally. It's ridiculous with an unemployment rate of less than 8%. Holy overreaction.
    So who did you say you voted for?
    Third party ... but I don't have to ask you because you're not from here :lol:
    and yes of course go ahead and give your opinion and mine was you lack compassion
    is all.

    Do you understand how fragile our country is?
    Perhaps you would like to be one of the 8% unemployed who's checks are stopping
    if we cliff dive.

    8% is a lot and factor in the youth at 17%
    one of every two graduating college no job for them.

    Think of of the millions who lost their homes.
    Who won't be able to replace it.
    Think of the small business owner struggling to provide jobs
    for employees who are like family to them.
    Think of the children facing the 17 trillion and growing deficit.
    Think of our elderly who once were proud of their country
    only to see it going to hell.

    I'd say people have a right to react alright! However they feel it!!
    So who did you vote for? Not sure why you won't answer. You claimed to be undecided - I'm wondering what you decided (if you voted).
    PS - did you call the people who are talking about defecting to Canada because Obama is too socialist and those who think there is a Muslim in the White House (and care), and those who think it's time for a revolution, and those who are freaking out because religion will continue to stay OUT of politics to some extent, and, most insane of all, those who think Romney would have fixed things "crazy like a fox"??
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
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    CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,224
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    Did you call the people who are talking about defecting to Canada because Obama is too socialist and those who think there is a Muslim in the White House (and care), and those who think it's time for a revolution, and those who are freaking out because religion will continue to stay OUT of politics to some extent, and, most insane of all, those who think Romney would have fixed things "crazy like a fox"??
    ...
    Perhaps it is, 'Crazy because of Fox'. That makes more sense.
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    unlost dogsunlost dogs Greater Boston Posts: 12,553
    Cosmo wrote:
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    Did you call the people who are talking about defecting to Canada because Obama is too socialist and those who think there is a Muslim in the White House (and care), and those who think it's time for a revolution, and those who are freaking out because religion will continue to stay OUT of politics to some extent, and, most insane of all, those who think Romney would have fixed things "crazy like a fox"??
    ...
    Perhaps it is, 'Crazy because of Fox'. That makes more sense.

    Well played, sir.
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    Johnny AbruzzoJohnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 10,744
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    So who did you vote for? Not sure why you won't answer. You claimed to be undecided - I'm wondering what you decided (if you voted).
    PS - did you call the people who are talking about defecting to Canada because Obama is too socialist and those who think there is a Muslim in the White House (and care), and those who think it's time for a revolution, and those who are freaking out because religion will continue to stay OUT of politics to some extent, and, most insane of all, those who think Romney would have fixed things "crazy like a fox"??

    For the love - she said a million times she voted for Gary Johnson.
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    vant0037vant0037 Posts: 6,083
    pandora wrote:
    I think wanting to bail from this country is a legitimate feeling.
    I think seniors are appalled. I think young adults are afraid, I think blue collar
    is sick. As I said Obama only brings hope to some. The rest have a right to be disappointed and
    if it comes out harsh so be it. We do have freedom of speech....
    wait last I checked.

    You might want to look over the election results again and check to see which way each demographic you listed voted. "Afraid" young adults voted overwhelmingly for Obama (their fear was of Romney), the senior vote was closer than you think if not outright for Obama (I'm speculating here, but I'm confident of that estimation), and blue collar states (at least) went predominantly for Obama. I'd wager to say a good chunk of blue collar workers as an individual demographic did vote Obama too.

    It's just nonsense that some conservatives now talk about leaving this country as a legitimate option because they lost an election. Good grief. Remember when people fled America to avoid getting drafted? At the very least, aversion to death can be rationalized one way or another (not saying I endorse draft-dodging, but I understand it). But leaving because Obama won? Not quite the same and that fact that people feel it is, is just pathetic. No let me restate that: its absolutely-fucking-pathetic.

    Some people need to get a grip.
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    mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 36,357
    pandora wrote:
    Many of us (about 49%) were upset in 2004 that the carnage of the Iraq War was going to continue, and shocked that 51% of the country tacitly approved. I think they're was some justified grief there, right?

    Not sure what the equivalent is for the righties this year. I really don't understand why they hate Obama so much. Honestly.


    EDIT: I thought pandora wrote that quote at first if my response seems out of context.
    Say what? millions have lost jobs that aren't back.
    Lost homes, hopes, dreams. Romney was a hope for a way out for many almost 48% many.
    Look at the deficit and tell us there is nothing to worry about.
    Obama is more of the same when we don't have time for more of the same.
    They do not believe he will make any change let alone the right change.
    pandora wrote:
    pandora » Sat Nov 10, 2012 12:28 pm

    So everyone here believes the President
    makes all the decisions while they are in office?

    That Bush during his eight years worked entirely by himself to fuck everything up?

    That absolutely no one else was to blame nor any events out of his control
    were to blame for the state of the economy etc?

    Gee I always thought of the President as a figurehead kind of like a puppet
    beholding to real power that is not in the form of one person.

    Like say congress?
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    whygohomewhygohome Posts: 2,305
    vant0037 wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    I think wanting to bail from this country is a legitimate feeling.
    I think seniors are appalled. I think young adults are afraid, I think blue collar
    is sick. As I said Obama only brings hope to some. The rest have a right to be disappointed and
    if it comes out harsh so be it. We do have freedom of speech....
    wait last I checked.

    You might want to look over the election results again and check to see which way each demographic you listed voted. "Afraid" young adults voted overwhelmingly for Obama (their fear was of Romney), the senior vote was closer than you think if not outright for Obama (I'm speculating here, but I'm confident of that estimation), and blue collar states (at least) went predominantly for Obama. I'd wager to say a good chunk of blue collar workers as an individual demographic did vote Obama too.

    It's just nonsense that some conservatives now talk about leaving this country as a legitimate option because they lost an election. Good grief. Remember when people fled America to avoid getting drafted? At the very least, aversion to death can be rationalized one way or another (not saying I endorse draft-dodging, but I understand it). But leaving because Obama won? Not quite the same and that fact that people feel it is, is just pathetic. No let me restate that: its absolutely-fucking-pathetic.

    Some people need to get a grip.

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    pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    vant0037 wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    I think wanting to bail from this country is a legitimate feeling.
    I think seniors are appalled. I think young adults are afraid, I think blue collar
    is sick. As I said Obama only brings hope to some. The rest have a right to be disappointed and
    if it comes out harsh so be it. We do have freedom of speech....
    wait last I checked.

    You might want to look over the election results again and check to see which way each demographic you listed voted. "Afraid" young adults voted overwhelmingly for Obama (their fear was of Romney), the senior vote was closer than you think if not outright for Obama (I'm speculating here, but I'm confident of that estimation), and blue collar states (at least) went predominantly for Obama. I'd wager to say a good chunk of blue collar workers as an individual demographic did vote Obama too.

    It's just nonsense that some conservatives now talk about leaving this country as a legitimate option because they lost an election. Good grief. Remember when people fled America to avoid getting drafted? At the very least, aversion to death can be rationalized one way or another (not saying I endorse draft-dodging, but I understand it). But leaving because Obama won? Not quite the same and that fact that people feel it is, is just pathetic. No let me restate that: its absolutely-fucking-pathetic.

    Some people need to get a grip.
    My kids, in their twenties, both hard working, one working through college,
    are very afraid for their future. Both support third parties.
    They see others their age expecting the government to pay their way.
    This coming from my kids paychecks. This becoming the norm.

    For people who work hard and are taxed high to pay for others that seems very unfair.
    They both also have entrepreneurs as parents and know how important
    the state of the economy is to their family and how the White House
    chooses to handle it.

    Of course many young people are liberal by nature and by age. Many vote
    for who's cool, who's on Leno etc. who the celebs, their favorite band are supporting,
    who supports legalizing pot etc.

    I think it is what Obama stands for that makes the people
    you call pathetic want to leave.
    The changes he is taking the country to.
    That is, big government is the answer to everyone's problems.
    I'm in trouble, my government will bail me out.
    For those who don't need, want, or think thats right,
    they are rather pissed. Feel the government is taking advantage of them,
    in a way stealing from them while changing what our country stands for.

    Add to the fact the deficit is growing beyond control, a feeling of helplessness
    and shame is taking over instead of pride. Worry for the big blowout,
    ball busting drop.

    The election was close in popular vote so there are a lot of pissed off people
    to choose from. If one is a business owner or very wealthy and if they have the means
    they may pull up roots, take themselves and their businesses away.
    They might decide to let people go so as to not have to provide healthcare
    they can not afford. People and our country will suffer.

    Speaking of votes, this a rather interesting article on the election compared to 2008

    http://www.idigitaltimes.com/articles/1 ... ohnson.htm
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    pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    whygohome wrote:
    obama_applause_2.gif
    he's a cutey pie huh?
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    pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    mickeyrat wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    Many of us (about 49%) were upset in 2004 that the carnage of the Iraq War was going to continue, and shocked that 51% of the country tacitly approved. I think they're was some justified grief there, right?

    Not sure what the equivalent is for the righties this year. I really don't understand why they hate Obama so much. Honestly.


    EDIT: I thought pandora wrote that quote at first if my response seems out of context.
    Say what? millions have lost jobs that aren't back.
    Lost homes, hopes, dreams. Romney was a hope for a way out for many almost 48% many.
    Look at the deficit and tell us there is nothing to worry about.
    Obama is more of the same when we don't have time for more of the same.
    They do not believe he will make any change let alone the right change.
    pandora wrote:
    pandora » Sat Nov 10, 2012 12:28 pm

    So everyone here believes the President
    makes all the decisions while they are in office?

    That Bush during his eight years worked entirely by himself to fuck everything up?

    That absolutely no one else was to blame nor any events out of his control
    were to blame for the state of the economy etc?

    Gee I always thought of the President as a figurehead kind of like a puppet
    beholding to real power that is not in the form of one person.

    Like say congress?
    Nope
    we know they vote and pass bills without even reading them :lol:

    I was thinking more behind the scenes money power people. :shh:
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    pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    pandora wrote:


    Third party ... but I don't have to ask you because you're not from here :lol:
    and yes of course go ahead and give your opinion and mine was you lack compassion
    is all.

    Do you understand how fragile our country is?
    Perhaps you would like to be one of the 8% unemployed who's checks are stopping
    if we cliff dive.

    8% is a lot and factor in the youth at 17%
    one of every two graduating college no job for them.

    Think of of the millions who lost their homes.
    Who won't be able to replace it.
    Think of the small business owner struggling to provide jobs
    for employees who are like family to them.
    Think of the children facing the 17 trillion and growing deficit.
    Think of our elderly who once were proud of their country
    only to see it going to hell.

    I'd say people have a right to react alright! However they feel it!!
    So who did you vote for? Not sure why you won't answer. You claimed to be undecided - I'm wondering what you decided (if you voted).
    PS - did you call the people who are talking about defecting to Canada because Obama is too socialist and those who think there is a Muslim in the White House (and care), and those who think it's time for a revolution, and those who are freaking out because religion will continue to stay OUT of politics to some extent, and, most insane of all, those who think Romney would have fixed things "crazy like a fox"??
    No I only called Trump and Teddy crazy like a fox but it seems you missed my point
    they are all for publicity. I would say the others you speak of that would not be their motivation.
    They would just be giving their opinion from their hearts.
    Kind of like you with yours...
    funny how that works.
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    pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    Many of us (about 49%) were upset in 2004 that the carnage of the Iraq War was going to continue, and shocked that 51% of the country tacitly approved. I think they're was some justified grief there, right?

    Not sure what the equivalent is for the righties this year. I really don't understand why they hate Obama so much. Honestly.


    EDIT: I thought pandora wrote that quote at first if my response seems out of context.
    Say what? millions have lost jobs that aren't back.
    Lost homes, hopes, dreams. Romney was a hope for a way out for many almost 48% many.
    Look at the deficit and tell us there is nothing to worry about.
    Obama is more of the same when we don't have time for more of the same.
    They do not believe he will make any change let alone the right change.
    I think what seems doubly insane, though, aside from the ridiculous extremes of the reactions, is the idea that Romney would have saved them. That is just crazy talk.
    I think but we will never know now that Romney would have rejuvenated the economy
    just with new hope. That business would have been less afraid to do just that... business.
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    pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    lol at Willard Mitt, what kind of name is that.
    :lol:
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    pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    MayDay10 wrote:
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    Think of the poor millionaires
    who now will have to rent their 3rd vacation home for a weekend
    and only send their children to cornell
    Possibly decrease their fleet of antique cars
    to make up for a few percentage of tax increase
    to pre gw bush levels
    too much they say!
    They had hope but it went away :fp:
    now their only but is the butthurt variety

    you sound a little jealous there :mrgreen:
    what about the middle class ... oh wait there ain't gonna be any middle anymore
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,752
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    So who did you vote for? Not sure why you won't answer. You claimed to be undecided - I'm wondering what you decided (if you voted).
    PS - did you call the people who are talking about defecting to Canada because Obama is too socialist and those who think there is a Muslim in the White House (and care), and those who think it's time for a revolution, and those who are freaking out because religion will continue to stay OUT of politics to some extent, and, most insane of all, those who think Romney would have fixed things "crazy like a fox"??

    For the love - she said a million times she voted for Gary Johnson.
    Did she? I didn't see those posts... I don't believe that for a second, either.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
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    to believe that one man, one administration, one term, can turn things around is, in my estimation, foolish. Obama couldn't do it, and it's equally as absurd to think the Romney could have done it had be been elected.

    To assume that young people vote liberal because they like who's on Leno and who their favourite band is supporting is preposterous and insulting. That's basically telling the young they are stupid and naive. The young is where true hope lies, the generation that gets change happening, forging a new path.

    Young people usually vote for Dem's because Dem's support social change, whereas Republicans like things to stay the same.

    Unless your new leader is Hitler, then claiming they want to uproot to a different country is knee-jerk ridiculousness. Oh yeah, and to want to come to a country like Canada who actually CURRENTLY supports most policies that Obama wants to implement, is actually pretty stupid.
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