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Willard Mitt Romney. President January 20, 2013

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    pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    vant0037 wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    Wow why so defensive? :?

    I'm assuming the people who want to pick up and leave our country
    are those who are entrepreneurs not lawyers.
    Lawyers think everyone hates them, that's strange to me.
    I have never understood that. I admire them but this chip you got has you defensive.
    I only asked why would a lawyer want to leave.

    I think you don't know me very well ...
    I defend others most especially from judgement without compassion.
    Thats a pet peeve of mine how some people refuse to understand how others feel.
    And from their high horse they find fault.
    To me that is what is wrong with this country.

    Compassion does not factor into this at all, not when you're asking me to feel bad for a guy who decides it's perfectly reasonable to spit on or cut out of his life any one who voted for Obama. It's not uncompassionate to tell your fellow Americans "calm the fuck down, the world will still go on," especially when history has proven that time and time again.

    I wonder if you know any lawyers...the vast majority of us are entrepreneurs. Hm...interesting comment.

    You still haven't answered why jumping ship is a reasonable decision, so I'll remind you that if you or anyone you're defending think things are so bad now, because Obama won, you are kindly free to leave to a country that's not going down the tubes. But I wouldn't recommend Canada (see above). Or Mexico. Or Cuba (duh). Or France. Or Italy. Or Greece. Or Russia. Or China.

    Not a lot of choices for conservatives on the run, huh? It'll be interesting to see where all these perfectly reasonable decision-makers decide to go. My guess is they're all talk, and will stay right here in the USA because they like their guns, but they'll move to some shithole compound in the country (think: Branch Davidians or Jordan, MT). Only time will tell, right?
    Do you think compassion is feeling bad for someone?
    that's revealing.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compassion

    I see your level of understanding and we certainly have beat this horse
    will you continue to refuse to understand others?

    I understand the disappointment in the course Obama is taking our country.
    I understand entrepreneurs of small businesses who are struggling to keep the doors open
    who may have some tough decisions ahead due to Obama.
    I understand the worries of small business owners and the pain when we must let people
    go. I understand not having enough cash flow to pay taxes and now more taxes.

    So my life experiences brings me to a place of understanding
    Does yours brings you to a place of feeling sorry for someone?
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    vant0037vant0037 Posts: 6,083
    pandora wrote:
    Does yours brings you to a place of feeling sorry for someone?

    Finally! We agree. Yes, I feel very bad for people who think its reasonable to spit on or cut out of their life anyone who voted for Obama. In fact, I feel very bad for anyone who defends them too. But don't mistake my pity for compassion.

    Whew, I'm glad we're finally on the same page.
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    pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    vant0037 wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    Does yours brings you to a place of feeling sorry for someone?

    Finally! We agree. Yes, I feel very bad for people who think its reasonable to spit on or cut out of their life anyone who voted for Obama. In fact, I feel very bad for anyone who defends them too. But don't mistake my pity for compassion.

    Whew, I'm glad we're finally on the same page.
    Oh yes the high horse of pity ...
    a dose of humble might be on it's way for you, welcome it.
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    pandora wrote:
    Oh yes the high horse of pity ...
    a dose of humble might be on it's way for you, welcome it.

    I've seen you say how you felt sorry for someone and how you pitied them (you've said this to me and others several times, in fact).

    You are on the tallest horse here.
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    vant0037vant0037 Posts: 6,083
    pandora wrote:
    vant0037 wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    Does yours brings you to a place of feeling sorry for someone?

    Finally! We agree. Yes, I feel very bad for people who think its reasonable to spit on or cut out of their life anyone who voted for Obama. In fact, I feel very bad for anyone who defends them too. But don't mistake my pity for compassion.

    Whew, I'm glad we're finally on the same page.
    Oh yes the high horse of pity ...
    a dose of humble might be on it's way for you, welcome it.

    You asked the question, I answered it. Try that sometime.
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    pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    vant0037 wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    vant0037 wrote:
    Finally! We agree. Yes, I feel very bad for people who think its reasonable to spit on or cut out of their life anyone who voted for Obama. In fact, I feel very bad for anyone who defends them too. But don't mistake my pity for compassion.

    Whew, I'm glad we're finally on the same page.
    Oh yes the high horse of pity ...
    a dose of humble might be on it's way for you, welcome it.

    You asked the question, I answered it. Try that sometime.
    Yes you do not know me well ... I always answer questions some just don't listen
    long enough. ;)
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    vant0037vant0037 Posts: 6,083
    pandora wrote:
    Yes you do not know me well ... I always answer questions some just don't listen
    long enough. ;)

    You type as though if I were to know you well (like, in real life?), I might think differently. As far as I can tell, the only reputation you have around here, at least on AMT, is for being unresponsive and argumentative. (see: this thread or several others). You don't get to decide your own reputation, so I'll tell you: people think you're unresponsive and argumentative, perhaps borderline troll-ish. Sorry, but if you haven't noticed, there are not too many joining your side on this one, which leads me to believe it's more about you than it is about us.

    I indeed read all your responses, and not one of them addressed the issue of how its reasonable to (1) want to cut people out of your life if they voted for Obama, (2) spit on or at people who voted for Obama, (3) leave this country because Obama won, or (4) how any of those are reasonable in light of our current political makeup (Dem president, Dem Senate, GOP House).

    Instead of responding, your posts all focus on (1) how awful Obama actually is, or (2) why I'm insensitive or uncompassionate to those who feel like the above are reasonable. You provide anecdotes about your kids being afraid, but refuse to reasonably discuss the actual numbers of the election (instead making some subjective claim that young people are easily influenced by late night talk shows or rock bands etc). You even go so far as to include wikipedia links about compassion, but nothing to bolster why you believe spitting at Obama voters is a reasonable thing to do.

    I'll make you a deal: you respond to the arguments that have been leveled toward you (by many of us), and I'll go ahead and read your wikipedia link. Deal?

    Finally, because it is Veteran's Day (observed) and the courts are closed, yes, it is a slow day at work. :lol:
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    pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    vant0037 wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    Yes you do not know me well ... I always answer questions some just don't listen
    long enough. ;)

    You type as though if I were to know you well (like, in real life?), I might think differently. As far as I can tell, the only reputation you have around here, at least on AMT, is for being unresponsive and argumentative. (see: this thread or several others). You don't get to decide your own reputation, so I'll tell you: people think you're unresponsive and argumentative, perhaps borderline troll-ish. Sorry, but if you haven't noticed, there are not too many joining your side on this one, which leads me to believe it's more about you than it is about us.

    I indeed read all your responses, and not one of them addressed the issue of how its reasonable to (1) want to cut people out of your life if they voted for Obama, (2) spit on or at people who voted for Obama, (3) leave this country because Obama won, or (4) how any of those are reasonable in light of our current political makeup (Dem president, Dem Senate, GOP House).

    Instead of responding, your posts all focus on (1) how awful Obama actually is, or (2) why I'm insensitive or uncompassionate to those who feel like the above are reasonable. You provide anecdotes about your kids being afraid, but refuse to reasonably discuss the actual numbers of the election (instead making some subjective claim that young people are easily influenced by late night talk shows or rock bands etc). You even go so far as to include wikipedia links about compassion, but nothing to bolster why you believe spitting at Obama voters is a reasonable thing to do.

    I'll make you a deal: you respond to the arguments that have been leveled toward you (by many of us), and I'll go ahead and read your wikipedia link. Deal?

    Finally, because it is Veteran's Day (observed) and the courts are closed, yes, it is a slow day at work. :lol:
    No I meant know me here on the board.

    How awful Obama is? really I don't think he is awful at all.
    Perhaps this is why you have been so defensive yes?
    I came close to giving him my vote but alas I could not and voted third party.

    And yes indeed you lack compassion as you yourself have said.

    You must be effective in court yes? I think that could be criteria that is needed.

    I get tired of the negativity here. The incessant raging on other people.
    Its a group gang bang towards another group, like that is all people have to discuss.
    It's dumb. And trying to understand others is the name of the game
    so if others are not and raging I usually speak up.

    The only deal I have for you is can you at least try to be positive in your posts
    and to not put others down, including me.
    I know that might be an incredibly tall order for you but it might help you out in the end.
    I'm all about helping people be better people to each other.
    You know being kind is really a great thing it grows the heart tenfold. :D

    if no deal please use your ignore feature
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    pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    pandora wrote:
    Oh yes the high horse of pity ...
    a dose of humble might be on it's way for you, welcome it.

    I've seen you say how you felt sorry for someone and how you pitied them (you've said this to me and others several times, in fact).

    You are on the tallest horse here.
    I try to understand others it's hard to be on a high horse doing that. ;)

    Do I pity someone who refuses to understand others? not really because I know in the end
    they will. It just takes a lifetime and the end to show us all.
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    vant0037vant0037 Posts: 6,083
    pandora wrote:
    No I meant know me here on the board.

    How awful Obama is? really I don't think he is awful at all.
    Perhaps this is why you have been so defensive yes?
    I came close to giving him my vote but alas I could not and voted third party.

    And yes indeed you lack compassion as you yourself have said.

    You must be effective in court yes? I think that could be criteria that is needed.

    I get tired of the negativity here. The incessant raging on other people.
    Its a group gang bang towards another group, like that is all people have to discuss.
    It's dumb. And trying to understand others is the name of the game
    so if others are not and raging I usually speak up.

    The only deal I have for you is can you at least try to be positive in your posts
    and to not put others down, including me.
    I know that might be an incredibly tall order for you but it might help you out in the end.
    I'm all about helping people be better people to each other.
    You know being kind is really a great thing it grows the heart tenfold. :D

    if no deal please use your ignore feature

    Your feigned hurt about digs at the South or people who are bummed out over Obama's win is so transparent, especially when you make crack comments about a good lawyer trait being a lack of compassion. Your anti-intellectualism is obvious. If you don't know what that phrase means, look it up on wikipedia. It describes you perfectly.

    I stand by my previous offer: respond to the arguments against you, and I'll read your wikipedia links. If you don't want to engage in reasoned debate, then stay out of AMT. If you want to insist on making outrageous claims or persist in defending people who have lost all perspective over an election, I will continue to call you out.
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    pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    vant0037 wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    No I meant know me here on the board.

    How awful Obama is? really I don't think he is awful at all.
    Perhaps this is why you have been so defensive yes?
    I came close to giving him my vote but alas I could not and voted third party.

    And yes indeed you lack compassion as you yourself have said.

    You must be effective in court yes? I think that could be criteria that is needed.

    I get tired of the negativity here. The incessant raging on other people.
    Its a group gang bang towards another group, like that is all people have to discuss.
    It's dumb. And trying to understand others is the name of the game
    so if others are not and raging I usually speak up.

    The only deal I have for you is can you at least try to be positive in your posts
    and to not put others down, including me.
    I know that might be an incredibly tall order for you but it might help you out in the end.
    I'm all about helping people be better people to each other.
    You know being kind is really a great thing it grows the heart tenfold. :D

    if no deal please use your ignore feature

    Your feigned hurt about digs at the South or people who are bummed out over Obama's win is so transparent, especially when you make crack comments about a good lawyer trait being a lack of compassion. Your anti-intellectualism is obvious. If you don't know what that phrase means, look it up on wikipedia. It describes you perfectly.

    I stand by my previous offer: respond to the arguments against you, and I'll read your wikipedia links. If you don't want to engage in reasoned debate, then stay out of AMT. If you want to insist on making outrageous claims or persist in defending people who have lost all perspective over an election, I will continue to call you out.
    Well do lawyers not need a stern heart? This is all I meant and YOU yourself say you lack compassion :wtf:
    so why so upset?

    Can you run back some pages and rag on the other poor soul who posted a wikilink...
    or is this nastiness just for me? I think so.

    If you think I am not up to par then ignore...
    so easy. I will not change myself to suit anyone here.

    I think you are making this about another poster (me) which is against posting guidelines...
    so perhaps call it quits back to topic.
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    vant0037vant0037 Posts: 6,083
    pandora wrote:
    Well do lawyers not need a stern heart? This is all I meant and YOU yourself say you lack compassion :wtf:
    so why so upset?

    Can you run back some pages and rag on the other poor soul who posted a wikilink...
    or is this nastiness just for me? I think so.

    If you think I am not up to par then ignore...
    so easy. I will not change myself to suit anyone here.

    I think you are making this about another poster (me) which is against posting guidelines...
    so perhaps call it quits back to topic.

    If you mean "stout heart," sure, lawyers need a stout heart. That's not what you meant.

    This isn't about you personally. I don't know you personally. This is about you stirring things up, refusing to back up what you say, and then bringing up other things, like how people are picking on you. Has it occurred to you that people are arguing with you in particular because of everything I just pointed out? Stop saying things that you won't or can't support! Give that a try and see if you still feel picked on.
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    pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    vant0037 wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    Well do lawyers not need a stern heart? This is all I meant and YOU yourself say you lack compassion :wtf:
    so why so upset?

    Can you run back some pages and rag on the other poor soul who posted a wikilink...
    or is this nastiness just for me? I think so.

    If you think I am not up to par then ignore...
    so easy. I will not change myself to suit anyone here.

    I think you are making this about another poster (me) which is against posting guidelines...
    so perhaps call it quits back to topic.

    If you mean "stout heart," sure, lawyers need a stout heart. That's not what you meant.

    This isn't about you personally. I don't know you personally. This is about you stirring things up, refusing to back up what you say, and then bringing up other things, like how people are picking on you. Has it occurred to you that people are arguing with you in particular because of everything I just pointed out? Stop saying things that you won't or can't support! Give that a try and see if you still feel picked on.
    I don't feel picked on I feel people pick on others and I will defend them.
    If you don't like that ignore...

    So are you ready to get off the topic of me? :fp:
    cause that old button could get get pushed :lol:
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    vant0037vant0037 Posts: 6,083
    pandora wrote:
    I don't feel picked on I feel people pick on others and I will defend them.
    If you don't like that ignore...

    So are you ready to get off the topic of me? :fp:
    cause that old button could get get pushed :lol:

    The topic isn't you, it's what you say. No one's picking on others for the sake of picking on others. People get called out when they say something. They are free to respond. I called you out and you haven't responded. I'm confident this thread has reflected that.
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    pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    vant0037 wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    I don't feel picked on I feel people pick on others and I will defend them.
    If you don't like that ignore...

    So are you ready to get off the topic of me? :fp:
    cause that old button could get get pushed :lol:

    The topic isn't you, it's what you say. No one's picking on others for the sake of picking on others. People get called out when they say something. They are free to respond. I called you out and you haven't responded. I'm confident this thread has reflected that.
    What on topic do you want me to answer?
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