RAPE PREGNANCIES 'SOMETHING THAT GOD INTENDED'

pandora

PJ_Soul wrote:

Using it as a form of birth control is not at all the only alternative use after using it for rape, incest, and life of the mother... There are VERY few women who use abortion as a form of birth control. Surely no one thinks that women LIKE getting abortions??

Why do women get abortions?

comebackgirl

From RAINN:

"In 2004-2005, 64,080 women were raped.8 According to medical reports, the incidence of pregnancy for one-time unprotected sexual intercourse is 5%. By applying the pregnancy rate to 64,080 women, RAINN estimates that there were 3,204 pregnancies as a result of rape during that period."

Here's the link if anyone wants to read the rest of this section
http://www.rainn.org/get-information/st ... lt-victims

It seems like if we focus on preventing rape in the first place, we could probably also prevent a good number of unintended pregnancies and possible abortions.

I always wonder how much the view that a woman's body's ultimate purpose is to be a vessel for the unborn ties into the view that a woman's body can be used as a rapist sees fit. One objectification linked to the next creating a culture in which a woman's autonomy to her own body is in question?

pandora

My choice to have an abortion at age 16, I feel is very much a part of my path of learning.
The person that I am today, looking back over my life, taking all the experiences
that brought me to a spiritual place, I feel this one crucial decision is integral.

I could have chosen life.

I didn't realize the mistake I was making in the big picture
that is all life, all life connected .
Revelation comes from the hardest times, from tests we fail, from forks in the road.
I am ashamed to say convenience was my motive. And I knew not what I did...
but I do now.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

pandora wrote:

hey nobody got that :? ... guess it's not just me

no one else guessed THEMSELVES.

JC29856

my 2 cent...
how much of a dumb stupid fu(k do you have to be? how clueless can these guys be?
i mean they convince the populous to vote them into a cushy "job" where most everything is free, haircuts to BJs, they can work as little as they want, employ huge staffs, get paid well, receive benefits for life, pensions and etc and then go on TV and say things that railroad the gravy train. these guys really must be the complete and total morons...any wonder why this country is where it is?

riotgrl

pandora wrote:

riotgrl wrote:

pandora wrote:

Are you saying 'me' when you say 'you' ?

Cause that would be off base... I'm pro choice.

I pride myself though on trying to see and feel both sides of issues.

I will say that those defending new life, the right to live, are passionate.
It hasn't worked too well for them though forcing their beliefs on others
has it? Abortion is legal with millons of lives taken.

As far as how it affects them personally? How does it effect you when someone dies?
The unborn is a gift, innocent life.

Your other questions seem to point a finger at leaders letting down children
once they are here. Who can argue that? And I'm learning quite a bit
about the apathy in our social services which is a whole other stupid story.

No I was referencing the collective you, not you, Pandora. I agree, I see both sides as well but it is not for me to force others to do as I do.

As for our social service system, it is, undoubtedly, a hot mess. However, I disagree that it is apathy - at least not on the part of the social worker. Apathy on the part of our leaders, hell yes.

maybe it is here where I live

What is the typical case load of the social workers where you live? When you are responsible for hundreds of cases that must monitored and checked on each month it can get overwhelming. Where is the blame for a system that overloads these people? Why blame the social worker and not spread the blame to others who make the rules?

Dissidentman

These Mourdock comments are downright scary.

hedonist

Dissidentman wrote:

These Mourdock comments are downright scary.

I'd expand that circle of scariness.

CBG, speaking of scary, so are those numbers you cited. Agreed, a clamp of some kind is needed to ensure the shit doesn't happen to begin with.

pandora

riotgrl wrote:

pandora wrote:

riotgrl wrote:

No I was referencing the collective you, not you, Pandora. I agree, I see both sides as well but it is not for me to force others to do as I do.

As for our social service system, it is, undoubtedly, a hot mess. However, I disagree that it is apathy - at least not on the part of the social worker. Apathy on the part of our leaders, hell yes.

maybe it is here where I live

What is the typical case load of the social workers where you live? When you are responsible for hundreds of cases that must monitored and checked on each month it can get overwhelming. Where is the blame for a system that overloads these people? Why blame the social worker and not spread the blame to others who make the rules?

because people are imperfect beings

comebackgirl

hedonist wrote:

Dissidentman wrote:

These Mourdock comments are downright scary.

I'd expand that circle of scariness.

CBG, speaking of scary, so are those numbers you cited. Agreed, a clamp of some kind is needed to ensure the shit doesn't happen to begin with.

It's just crazy...every hour 30 rapes occur in the US...75 since most people got to work this morning. I'd like to see more focus and energy into preventing that and making the question of whether a rape survivor should have the right to get an abortion as much of a non-issue as possible.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

pandora wrote:

riotgrl wrote:

What is the typical case load of the social workers where you live? When you are responsible for hundreds of cases that must monitored and checked on each month it can get overwhelming. Where is the blame for a system that overloads these people? Why blame the social worker and not spread the blame to others who make the rules?

because people are imperfect beings

:fp:

pandora

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

pandora wrote:

hey nobody got that :? ... guess it's not just me

no one else guessed THEMSELVES.

because I am so used to you spotting me out

but really Romney :? why would you post that in this thread?

Is that not off topic?
is this not one of the dozen or so threads not about Romney?

Maybe you confused threads like I do sometimes

pandora

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

pandora wrote:

riotgrl wrote:

What is the typical case load of the social workers where you live? When you are responsible for hundreds of cases that must monitored and checked on each month it can get overwhelming. Where is the blame for a system that overloads these people? Why blame the social worker and not spread the blame to others who make the rules?

because people are imperfect beings

:fp:

don't hurt yourself there

and please by all means rely somewhat on an intelligent reply ...
the mods don't like this stuff.

pandora

comebackgirl wrote:

Someone is raped every 2 minutes in the US. Why aren't we more outraged by this? Why isn't our focus and energy being put into sexual violence prevention efforts, instead of worrying about preventing survivors from terminating pregnancies that might result from a rape?

Are you comparing outrages?

Outrage towards rape to outrage towards abortion?

pandora

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

you have stated on here numerous times that you have had an abortion. nobody holds that against you

I addressed the rest of your post but reread and saw this.

It is so far from the truth. It burns in my heart because there are many who regret
taking the life of their unborn child, both mother and father.
We don't hear much about them though or their pain, guilt, remorse and shame.
If we did could we save others the same torment?

Hugh Freaking Dillon

pandora wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

pandora wrote:

hey nobody got that :? ... guess it's not just me

no one else guessed THEMSELVES.

because I am so used to you spotting me out

but really Romney :? why would you post that in this thread?

Is that not off topic?
is this not one of the dozen or so threads not about Romney?

Maybe you confused threads like I do sometimes

no, it is not. Romney's flip flopping on this issue and his support for this man is paramount to this discussion.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

pandora wrote:

riotgrl wrote:

What is the typical case load of the social workers where you live? When you are responsible for hundreds of cases that must monitored and checked on each month it can get overwhelming. Where is the blame for a system that overloads these people? Why blame the social worker and not spread the blame to others who make the rules?

because people are imperfect beings

making a blanket statement blaming social workers and their apparent apathy is just plain ignorant and slanderous. you obviously have no idea what social workers caseloads are like, and how difficult their job is and how scrutinized they are.

pandora

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

pandora wrote:

because I am so used to you spotting me out

but really Romney :? why would you post that in this thread?

Is that not off topic?
is this not one of the dozen or so threads not about Romney?

Maybe you confused threads like I do sometimes

no, it is not. Romney's flip flopping on this issue and his support for this man is paramount to this discussion.

yes I guess you are right ... it has taken a turn by some towards an abortion thread
so I have been focusing there.

But Romney has not flopped on this guy has he?

Did I miss him pulling the endorsement ad?

Last I heard Romney only said his own views do not coincide with
this fellas, which would probably be true of an awful lot of Republicans,

Has that changed?

pandora

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

pandora wrote:

riotgrl wrote:

What is the typical case load of the social workers where you live? When you are responsible for hundreds of cases that must monitored and checked on each month it can get overwhelming. Where is the blame for a system that overloads these people? Why blame the social worker and not spread the blame to others who make the rules?

because people are imperfect beings

making a blanket statement blaming social workers and their apparent apathy is just plain ignorant and slanderous. you obviously have no idea what social workers caseloads are like, and how difficult their job is and how scrutinized they are.

You think I blamed all social workers?

that's as crazy as not blaming any

Cosmo

comebackgirl wrote:

hedonist wrote:

Dissidentman wrote:

These Mourdock comments are downright scary.

I'd expand that circle of scariness.

CBG, speaking of scary, so are those numbers you cited. Agreed, a clamp of some kind is needed to ensure the shit doesn't happen to begin with.

It's just crazy...every hour 30 rapes occur in the US...75 since most people got to work this morning. I'd like to see more focus and energy into preventing that and making the question of whether a rape survivor should have the right to get an abortion as much of a non-issue as possible.

...
That's the thing... being victimized in a brutal assault... then, having the government (basically, old men) telling them they HAVE to go through the entire pregnancy and birth... I have no words for this type of rationale.