See, I look at it as energy; maybe it's always there around us, maybe not...maybe we're not aware of it or not in tune; maybe some are more perceptive of that energy.
No answers here, for sure.
it is a smart ass comment lumping all those things together; unicorns, sasquatch, fairies, demons, zombies, lochness monster, aliens and angels
kinda like how the government lumps together the folowing; cocaine, heroin, pcp, meth, & marijuana.
believing in angels & ghosts does not make one religious at all. no it sure doesn't. having the ability to be in tune with the universe or this earth's otherside does not make one religious. it is simply a gift because that is all it is. a sensitive type person, sensitive to his/her surroundings, sensitive in feelings, sensitive to what is unexplainable. i can't explain it because of this but i've had 40 years worth of experience at experiencing super-natural happenings.
sure i'm a bit crazy, but i am not mentally insane. im good crazy so they say. fun crazy. haha.
i have psychic happenings accure quite often, it is a fucking ball.
recently i have orbs flying about... or do the orbs have me? :twisted:
i might try and burn your fucking house down by thinking it up in my fucking head some time!
Where does the concept of "angels" come from... the Bible, right? Religion, right?
I have felt this "energy" that is being mentioned, and I also think it's real. I think there are forces beyond our normal perceptions of nature. Really, I do.
But "angels" are a Biblical concept. I'm just rejecting that particular concept. I think you and others here are talking about a different concept, something I think I am in tune with as well.
As far as glowing orbs are concerned... I have seen glowing orbs myself... they flew out of the woods behind my house and flew back in. One was green, and the other orange. They are a natural phenomenon that especially occur around swamp lands (the woods behind the house I grew up in was very swampy)...
it is a smart ass comment lumping all those things together; unicorns, sasquatch, fairies, demons, zombies, lochness monster, aliens and angels
kinda like how the government lumps together the folowing; cocaine, heroin, pcp, meth, & marijuana.
believing in angels & ghosts does not make one religious at all. no it sure doesn't. having the ability to be in tune with the universe or this earth's otherside does not make one religious. it is simply a gift because that is all it is. a sensitive type person, sensitive to his/her surroundings, sensitive in feelings, sensitive to what is unexplainable. i can't explain it because of this but i've had 40 years worth of experience at experiencing super-natural happenings.
sure i'm a bit crazy, but i am not mentally insane. im good crazy so they say. fun crazy. haha.
i have psychic happenings accure quite often, it is a fucking ball.
recently i have orbs flying about... or do the orbs have me? :twisted:
i might try and burn your fucking house down by thinking it up in my fucking head some time!
Where does the concept of "angels" come from... the Bible, right? Religion, right?
I have felt this "energy" that is being mentioned, and I also think it's real. I think there are forces beyond our normal perceptions of nature. Really, I do.
But "angels" are a Biblical concept. I'm just rejecting that particular concept. I think you and others here are talking about a different concept, something I think I am in tune with as well.
As far as glowing orbs are concerned... I have seen glowing orbs myself... they flew out of the woods behind my house and flew back in. One was green, and the other orange. They are a natural phenomenon that especially occur around swamp lands (the woods behind the house I grew up in was very swampy)...
See, I look at it as energy; maybe it's always there around us, maybe not...maybe we're not aware of it or not in tune; maybe some are more perceptive of that energy.
No answers here, for sure.
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See... you and I see eye to eye on this. We both admit to not having any answers... which is a truth.
We both believe that there is some sort of energy... be it spirit or soul or life force or The Force.
We believe there has always been something... even before the creation of the Universe. For all we know, the Universe was born from the death of a previous Universe and all of this is just a perpetual, never-ending cycle that is beyond what our primative minds can percieve.
I like to think that when we die... the thing that keeps our lives going continues and we simply become part of that energy... that will some day, die and give way to the creation of the next Universe.
But, the simple truth is.. I don't know. With another truth being... I will never know whilst living in this physical plane of my reality.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
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Are Angels spirits of the dead or something different all together? If Angels are spirits of the dead... is there a relation to ghosts? Demons?.
Technically, Angels are not spirits of the dead. They have always been disincarnate. But we all understand Angels differently. I guess the most 'known' Angels are those that have been 'hijacked' by religion and I think those have been well described - whether in Christianity, Islam, Judaism, etc. But Angels were there long before the written religious word and are not just a theological concept. Ancient Angels are all over the place, in all cultures. They are the Native American (and other tribal) spirit guides, the Norse Valkyries, etc.
I don't see Angels as 'messengers of God' but rather an energy, a force. One that is around, that you can feed from - where it comes from depends on your beliefs, I guess. I do see them differently to 'spirits' (in preference to word 'ghost') as well. These spirits can come in times of need for guidance, etc. too. I also believe if one accepts the concept of a 'benevolent' energy/force, one needs to accept the concept of the opposite.
I love the concept of Angels - my daughter was named after one
well said.
to me angels are of human spirits. it has nothing to do with god or religion. though i also believe in ghost (i've only experianced benovolent ones) appear on rare occasion... ghosts aren't one & the same as angels
i definenately believe in angels. some may know my story but it's a sensitive subject. so i'm not comfortable discussing on a public forum.... although i don't mind if anyone wants to know just shoot me a pm...
when someone pasts away...the human spirit & energy lives on... :angel:
See, I look at it as energy; maybe it's always there around us, maybe not...maybe we're not aware of it or not in tune; maybe some are more perceptive of that energy.
No answers here, for sure.
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See... you and I see eye to eye on this. We both admit to not having any answers... which is a truth.
We both believe that there is some sort of energy... be it spirit or soul or life force or The Force.
We believe there has always been something... even before the creation of the Universe. For all we know, the Universe was born from the death of a previous Universe and all of this is just a perpetual, never-ending cycle that is beyond what our primative minds can percieve.
I like to think that when we die... the thing that keeps our lives going continues and we simply become part of that energy... that will some day, die and give way to the creation of the next Universe.
But, the simple truth is.. I don't know. With another truth being... I will never know whilst living in this physical plane of my reality.
Thanks, bud...and yes. I think about all those before us, long-gone, recently-gone, and it just seems to me - if only in the intuitive sense - that that energy doesn't simply go, isn't eradicated, upon death. Perhaps calling it an angel or energy or spirit is just a matter of semantics - and while it *can* be based in religion, it's certainly not exclusive to it. It seems the same for many others here.
By the way, I kinda like not knowing...keeps me on my toes
I was hoping this wouldn't turn into a poke fun at those who believe in something someone else doesn't type of thing.
Isn't there enough of that on other threads?
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I think the basic idea of Angels comes from the formation of what the nature of Angels are. Are Angels spirits of the dead or something different all together? If Angels are spirits of the dead... is there a relation to ghosts? Demons?
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Personally... I believe in the body and spirit. But, I also believe that the two bear no resemblence to each other. That the spirit resides in the body and helps to guide the body through this physical level of being. At the end of this life... the spirit is released. Where it goes from there... I have no clue... and I believe that no one else here has a clue, either.
So, basically... if someone believes in Angels doesn't necessarily mean that Angels do exist... just as someone who does not believe means they do not exist. Both of those beliefs are equal... but, the truth of the matter... speaking from the physical univers we exist in... today... we just don't know for sure.
If I may respectfully ask, why do you believe in the "spirit" and why do you believe the statement that I bolded? I guess I'm asking for your reasoning, feelings, justifications, line of thinking, etc that led you to those conclusions.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win ."
Seeing is believing and since i've never encountered any , Ghost ,angels , aliens or any mythical beings i say No i don't believe ...
jesus greets me looks just like me ....
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It might be worth noting that our current understanding of human experience with the inexplicable is very, very limited. It is limited because we only have record of human experience going back about 5,000 years. The other ninety-some percent of human experience is unrecorded. Imagine how many unusual experiences there have been in the past of which we know nothing? Imagine how much more likely it is that humans were more aware of the inexplicable during that ninety-some percent of the time because those ancestors of ours weren't enslaved by totalitarian agriculture, or burdened and distracted with forced or volunteer unnecessary labor, TV, large scale wars, elections and other modern day distractions. There is so little we know.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.” Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.
That the spirit resides in the body and helps to guide the body through this physical level of being. At the end of this life... the spirit is released.
If I may respectfully ask, why do you believe in the "spirit" and why do you believe the statement that I bolded? I guess I'm asking for your reasoning, feelings, justifications, line of thinking, etc that led you to those conclusions.
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Actually, thanx for asking. Your question made me think about it... Why DO I believe that?
I suppose it is because we can explain our physiology being... as a living entity in a physical environment. Like, how our respritory system works... or how do our eyes work... those types of things that make up our bodies. At that level, I operate on the same basic principles as my cat... or a fish... or a pidgeon.
Yet, there are those things we cannot explain... or sometimes, even explain. Like, what is love? How does love work? Can we explain love? We can express our love, but we can never seem to explain it... as in how does it work? Why do we love some people... feel indifferent to others... and despise some?
I guess I group those intangible qualities, such as love, as our spirit (or life force). That spirit doesn't necessarily drive us... more like offers up suggestions or guides us. We operate with these two, sometimes conflicting, co-pilots at the wheel. That is what helps set our moral compass... not religion... not our parent's influence... our humanity sets our morality. Sure, parental upbringing and religion can influence us into leaning towards their expectations... but, in the end, we are the only one that are really in charge of who we are... who we will be. We'd all be fools if we didn't think and let our impulses drive us, right? Would life be worth living without love?
And... I think a lot of it has to do with my own, selfish yearning. I know for a fact that I will die. There are no maybe's of what if's in that equation. Death is going to find me, not matter what I think or believe... I know this is an absolute truth. I want something to exist beyond this life... my spirit to go on... to whatever is next. True or not... I choose to believe that our spirit endures.
Again.. thanx for making me put that down into words.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
That the spirit resides in the body and helps to guide the body through this physical level of being. At the end of this life... the spirit is released.
If I may respectfully ask, why do you believe in the "spirit" and why do you believe the statement that I bolded? I guess I'm asking for your reasoning, feelings, justifications, line of thinking, etc that led you to those conclusions.
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Yet, there are those things we cannot explain... or sometimes, even explain. Like, what is love? How does love work? Can we explain love? We can express our love, but we can never seem to explain it... as in how does it work? Why do we love some people... feel indifferent to others... and despise some?
I guess I group those intangible qualities, such as love, as our spirit (or life force). That spirit doesn't necessarily drive us... more like offers up suggestions or guides us. We operate with these two, sometimes conflicting, co-pilots at the wheel. That is what helps set our moral compass... not religion... not our parent's influence... our humanity sets our morality. Sure, parental upbringing and religion can influence us into leaning towards their expectations... but, in the end, we are the only one that are really in charge of who we are... who we will be. We'd all be fools if we didn't think and let our impulses drive us, right? Would life be worth living without love?
And... I think a lot of it has to do with my own, selfish yearning. I know for a fact that I will die. There are no maybe's of what if's in that equation. Death is going to find me, not matter what I think or believe... I know this is an absolute truth. I want something to exist beyond this life... my spirit to go on... to whatever is next. True or not... I choose to believe that our spirit endures.
Again.. thanx for making me put that down into words.
sorta like i just said to someone:
do i need to understand exactly how an angel's spirit or energy works? no. i just appreciate that it's beautiful
It might be worth noting that our current understanding of human experience with the inexplicable is very, very limited. It is limited because we only have record of human experience going back about 5,000 years. The other ninety-some percent of human experience is unrecorded. Imagine how many unusual experiences there have been in the past of which we know nothing? Imagine how much more likely it is that humans were more aware of the inexplicable during that ninety-some percent of the time because those ancestors of ours weren't enslaved by totalitarian agriculture, or burdened and distracted with forced or volunteer unnecessary labor, TV, large scale wars, elections and other modern day distractions. There is so little we know.
thank you. this pretty much explains it down to a tee. brianlux my friend you are a fucking genius
do i need to understand exactly how an angel's spirit or energy works? no. i just appreciate that it's beautiful
thank you, prism. we do not need to understand anything about this stuff other than we are here as we are and we are visited by this, "other side" energy and we have to be grateful and humbled and let it be as such. as well as it can be scary from time to time.
do i need to understand exactly how an angel's spirit or energy works? no. i just appreciate that it's beautiful
thank you, prism. we do not need to understand anything about this stuff other than we are here as we are and we are visited by this, "other side" energy and we have to be grateful and humbled and let it be as such. as well as it can be scary from time to time.
Well said Chadwick and Prism. It is, indeed, humbling and a little mystery is good for us.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.” Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.
do i need to understand exactly how an angel's spirit or energy works? no. i just appreciate that it's beautiful
thank you, prism. we do not need to understand anything about this stuff other than we are here as we are and we are visited by this, "other side" energy and we have to be grateful and humbled and let it be as such. as well as it can be scary from time to time.
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I understand where both of you are coming from... and truely respect your beliefs... but, I'm one just of those tinkerer types that likes to know how things work. And yes... i do see and appreciate beauty. I have an understand how the oceans and tides work and can still find beauty in her waves.... I know what stars are and can still find the wonderment of it all.
And actually... I kind of don't want to see Angels. Because it would have to mean a near death experience... something I don't really want to experience. Doesn't mean Angels don't exist... just that I know there'll come a day when death come my way. One time... I only want to face death once.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
it is a smart ass comment lumping all those things together; unicorns, sasquatch, fairies, demons, zombies, lochness monster, aliens and angels
kinda like how the government lumps together the folowing; cocaine, heroin, pcp, meth, & marijuana.
believing in angels & ghosts does not make one religious at all. no it sure doesn't. having the ability to be in tune with the universe or this earth's otherside does not make one religious. it is simply a gift because that is all it is. a sensitive type person, sensitive to his/her surroundings, sensitive in feelings, sensitive to what is unexplainable. i can't explain it because of this but i've had 40 years worth of experience at experiencing super-natural happenings.
sure i'm a bit crazy, but i am not mentally insane. im good crazy so they say. fun crazy. haha.
i have psychic happenings accure quite often, it is a fucking ball.
recently i have orbs flying about... or do the orbs have me? :twisted:
i might try and burn your fucking house down by thinking it up in my fucking head some time!
Where does the concept of "angels" come from... the Bible, right? Religion, right?
I have felt this "energy" that is being mentioned, and I also think it's real. I think there are forces beyond our normal perceptions of nature. Really, I do.
But "angels" are a Biblical concept. I'm just rejecting that particular concept. I think you and others here are talking about a different concept, something I think I am in tune with as well.
As far as glowing orbs are concerned... I have seen glowing orbs myself... they flew out of the woods behind my house and flew back in. One was green, and the other orange. They are a natural phenomenon that especially occur around swamp lands (the woods behind the house I grew up in was very swampy)...
I've experienced an angel in the hospital when I was at my consciously worst after a near-fatal car accident. I know it was. It's just one of those things that can't really be defined any other way - I can explain if anyone wants to hear. I never saw orbs in my photos til after my accident.
And I've experienced a ghost as well. I'm ok with people not believing in either of them because they've never had experience with them, but I think if you are more open-minded to the possibility that they exist, you're more likely to experience it.
I've experienced an angel in the hospital when I was at my consciously worst after a near-fatal car accident. I know it was. It's just one of those things that can't really be defined any other way - I can explain if anyone wants to hear. I never saw orbs in my photos til after my accident.
And I've experienced a ghost as well. I'm ok with people not believing in either of them because they've never had experience with them, but I think if you are more open-minded to the possibility that they exist, you're more likely to experience it.
I'd like to hear about your experience
I"ve experienced a ghost too. Zoso says he doesn't believe, but he must on some level because he gets freaked out whenever I talk about it...
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Actually, thanx for asking. Your question made me think about it... Why DO I believe that?
I suppose it is because we can explain our physiology being... as a living entity in a physical environment. Like, how our respritory system works... or how do our eyes work... those types of things that make up our bodies. At that level, I operate on the same basic principles as my cat... or a fish... or a pidgeon.
Yet, there are those things we cannot explain... or sometimes, even explain. Like, what is love? How does love work? Can we explain love? We can express our love, but we can never seem to explain it... as in how does it work? Why do we love some people... feel indifferent to others... and despise some?
I guess I group those intangible qualities, such as love, as our spirit (or life force). That spirit doesn't necessarily drive us... more like offers up suggestions or guides us. We operate with these two, sometimes conflicting, co-pilots at the wheel. That is what helps set our moral compass... not religion... not our parent's influence... our humanity sets our morality. Sure, parental upbringing and religion can influence us into leaning towards their expectations... but, in the end, we are the only one that are really in charge of who we are... who we will be. We'd all be fools if we didn't think and let our impulses drive us, right? Would life be worth living without love?
And... I think a lot of it has to do with my own, selfish yearning. I know for a fact that I will die. There are no maybe's of what if's in that equation. Death is going to find me, not matter what I think or believe... I know this is an absolute truth. I want something to exist beyond this life... my spirit to go on... to whatever is next. True or not... I choose to believe that our spirit endures.
Again.. thanx for making me put that down into words.
Awesome that you believe this Cosmo. So do I. Everything is made up of energy. Some people are more sensitive to it than others. But we're really all spirits occupying a body until it dies and then the spirit continues to move on. Energy. Love is an energy too. I don't completely understand it, either. But it's absolutely fascinating.
What I find is that the more we're programmed in to what distracts us - electronics, the media, being physically and mentally occupied with anything really, the less we're in touch with our spiritual side. Maybe I'm the only one on the forums who meditates, but there's something to be said for the quiet solitude. We become more awake to what's really going on, and there's a big shift supposedly coming...
And actually... I kind of don't want to see Angels. Because it would have to mean a near death experience...
Not necessarily.
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Well... I don't want to be laid up in a hospital with doctors and nurses and machines with tubes and stuff. I'm totally a wimp like that. I like the blood to be where it's suppposed to be... on the inside.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
And actually... I kind of don't want to see Angels. Because it would have to mean a near death experience...
Not necessarily.
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Well... I don't want to be laid up in a hospital with doctors and nurses and machines with tubes and stuff. I'm totally a wimp like that. I like the blood to be where it's suppposed to be... on the inside.
Life can change in the blink of an eye, you know we have no control over everything all the time.
I've heard stories of people experiencing them in different situations though, it doesn't have to be you getting hurt; some people experience them when loved ones die or are severely hurt.
I've experienced an angel in the hospital when I was at my consciously worst after a near-fatal car accident. I know it was. It's just one of those things that can't really be defined any other way - I can explain if anyone wants to hear. I never saw orbs in my photos til after my accident.
And I've experienced a ghost as well. I'm ok with people not believing in either of them because they've never had experience with them, but I think if you are more open-minded to the possibility that they exist, you're more likely to experience it.
I'd like to hear about your experience
I"ve experienced a ghost too. Zoso says he doesn't believe, but he must on some level because he gets freaked out whenever I talk about it...
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Well... I don't want to be laid up in a hospital with doctors and nurses and machines with tubes and stuff. I'm totally a wimp like that. I like the blood to be where it's suppposed to be... on the inside.
Life can change in the blink of an eye, you know we have no control over everything all the time.
I've heard stories of people experiencing them in different situations though, it doesn't have to be you getting hurt; some people experience them when loved ones die or are severely hurt.
Angels are not only 'experienced' when one (or a loved one) is ill or near death. Angels (as I understand them) are there for all kinds of different experiences, wonderful/positive and yes, also the more negative ones. I have the feeling that this idea of 'angel of death' (ie only coming around when death is near) to be part of the legacy of the 'religious' angels - ie showing the 'way' - which is a traditional religious role of an angel.
I've experienced an angel in the hospital when I was at my consciously worst after a near-fatal car accident. I know it was. It's just one of those things that can't really be defined any other way - I can explain if anyone wants to hear. I never saw orbs in my photos til after my accident.
And I've experienced a ghost as well. I'm ok with people not believing in either of them because they've never had experience with them, but I think if you are more open-minded to the possibility that they exist, you're more likely to experience it.
I'd like to hear about your experience
I"ve experienced a ghost too. Zoso says he doesn't believe, but he must on some level because he gets freaked out whenever I talk about it...
I don't believe but hate hearing the stories because they do freak me out.
I'm just flying around the other side of the world to say I love you
Sha la la la i'm in love with a jersey girl
I love you forever and forever
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I've experienced an angel in the hospital when I was at my consciously worst after a near-fatal car accident. I know it was. It's just one of those things that can't really be defined any other way - I can explain if anyone wants to hear. I never saw orbs in my photos til after my accident.
And I've experienced a ghost as well. I'm ok with people not believing in either of them because they've never had experience with them, but I think if you are more open-minded to the possibility that they exist, you're more likely to experience it.
I'd like to hear about your experience
I"ve experienced a ghost too. Zoso says he doesn't believe, but he must on some level because he gets freaked out whenever I talk about it...
I can pm you later!
Cool! Thanks Jeanwah
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
I don't believe but hate hearing the stories because they do freak me out.
Why get freaked out if you don't believe it's real? My ghost has been with me for a while now...
because of stories you hear, because of the movies you watch etc. the unknown is kinda scary or creepy but generally their are facts, evidence an scientific reasons for these events.. GENERALLY.
I'm just flying around the other side of the world to say I love you
Sha la la la i'm in love with a jersey girl
I love you forever and forever
Adel 03 Melb 1 03 LA 2 06 Santa Barbara 06 Gorge 1 06 Gorge 2 06 Adel 1 06 Adel 2 06 Camden 1 08 Camden 2 08 Washington DC 08 Hartford 08
Awesome that you believe this Cosmo. So do I. Everything is made up of energy. Some people are more sensitive to it than others. But we're really all spirits occupying a body until it dies and then the spirit continues to move on. Energy. Love is an energy too. I don't completely understand it, either. But it's absolutely fascinating.
What I find is that the more we're programmed in to what distracts us - electronics, the media, being physically and mentally occupied with anything really, the less we're in touch with our spiritual side. Maybe I'm the only one on the forums who meditates, but there's something to be said for the quiet solitude. We become more awake to what's really going on, and there's a big shift supposedly coming...
count me in, jeanwah... then maybe you & i are the only ones?
no television... X
i live very peacefully and very calm and very much at ease... X
i am in tranquility pretty much 24x7... X
i feel diffferent energies pretty much all the time. some days/nights are more intense than others. lastnight i burnt sage and cleansed my home. it needed done and hadn't been done in many months. this will keep negative energy at bay for awhile. yes i love the native american indian ways as they live nearer to and with the natural world moreso than the way this modern world living has become; this modern unnatural way is not for me.
but i do enjoy a good computer to get on the pearl jam site to bullshit around and shoot the breeze with all you fantastic and not so fantastic people. i also like music and writing poetry. i love women & relaxation/meditation hour. i do not like mitt romney. i do not like george w bush. i do in fact love boobs, both small & large
i love the spiritual world and have learned a great deal about being alive. when we leave this life it will finally be on like donkey kong even moreso than this here life could ever imagine. i think about this stuff basically everyday all day long. my ADD/ADHD head works good with several thoughts at once so i'm covered.
i'll try to in the next few hours or days write up a short story or two about my supernatural experiences.
I don't believe but hate hearing the stories because they do freak me out.
Why get freaked out if you don't believe it's real? My ghost has been with me for a while now...
because of stories you hear, because of the movies you watch etc. the unknown is kinda scary or creepy but generally their are facts, evidence an scientific reasons for these events.. GENERALLY.
why can't you leave your scientific reasoning at the door and just accept it as a supernatural event and call it a day, zoso? you do not have to understand this stuff for it to be very much real. science in our human being realm is a fucking minimal sliver of brilliance. it is actually one grain of sand in a galaxy sized sandbox.
My grandmother use to tell us young kids many times that God and His Angels are watching over us. I grew up believing Angels took care of us in a spiritual way.
Here is some info I've been reading on Angels - in no way does anyone need to believe this. I just find it interesting...
Angels are so much more than chubby cherubs on greeting cards. They are powerful spirits who know, love and serve God with their whole being...
The English word "angel" is derived from the Greek ἄγγελος (angelos), The Hebrew and Greek words in ancient times meant messenger, and depending on the context may refer either to a human messenger or a supernatural messenger....
Angels provide various functions in day to day life. Their main role is to be guardians and messengers... Other services they offer range from helping people make decisions, to more serious roles like saving lives.
Angels are there to help steer individuals through the difficulties they encounter by providing insight, awareness, support and encouragement in every situation that is faced throughout a humans entire lifetime.
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"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Where does the concept of "angels" come from... the Bible, right? Religion, right?
I have felt this "energy" that is being mentioned, and I also think it's real. I think there are forces beyond our normal perceptions of nature. Really, I do.
But "angels" are a Biblical concept. I'm just rejecting that particular concept. I think you and others here are talking about a different concept, something I think I am in tune with as well.
As far as glowing orbs are concerned... I have seen glowing orbs myself... they flew out of the woods behind my house and flew back in. One was green, and the other orange. They are a natural phenomenon that especially occur around swamp lands (the woods behind the house I grew up in was very swampy)...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will-o-the-wisp
i am pleased you are one of the badass who feel, understand a bit of this and have saw things. this is nice.
now i like you more.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
See... you and I see eye to eye on this. We both admit to not having any answers... which is a truth.
We both believe that there is some sort of energy... be it spirit or soul or life force or The Force.
We believe there has always been something... even before the creation of the Universe. For all we know, the Universe was born from the death of a previous Universe and all of this is just a perpetual, never-ending cycle that is beyond what our primative minds can percieve.
I like to think that when we die... the thing that keeps our lives going continues and we simply become part of that energy... that will some day, die and give way to the creation of the next Universe.
But, the simple truth is.. I don't know. With another truth being... I will never know whilst living in this physical plane of my reality.
Hail, Hail!!!
well said.
to me angels are of human spirits. it has nothing to do with god or religion. though i also believe in ghost (i've only experianced benovolent ones) appear on rare occasion... ghosts aren't one & the same as angels
i definenately believe in angels. some may know my story but it's a sensitive subject. so i'm not comfortable discussing on a public forum.... although i don't mind if anyone wants to know just shoot me a pm...
when someone pasts away...the human spirit & energy lives on... :angel:
angels share laughter
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By the way, I kinda like not knowing...keeps me on my toes
If I may respectfully ask, why do you believe in the "spirit" and why do you believe the statement that I bolded? I guess I'm asking for your reasoning, feelings, justifications, line of thinking, etc that led you to those conclusions.
"With our thoughts we make the world"
Actually, thanx for asking. Your question made me think about it... Why DO I believe that?
I suppose it is because we can explain our physiology being... as a living entity in a physical environment. Like, how our respritory system works... or how do our eyes work... those types of things that make up our bodies. At that level, I operate on the same basic principles as my cat... or a fish... or a pidgeon.
Yet, there are those things we cannot explain... or sometimes, even explain. Like, what is love? How does love work? Can we explain love? We can express our love, but we can never seem to explain it... as in how does it work? Why do we love some people... feel indifferent to others... and despise some?
I guess I group those intangible qualities, such as love, as our spirit (or life force). That spirit doesn't necessarily drive us... more like offers up suggestions or guides us. We operate with these two, sometimes conflicting, co-pilots at the wheel. That is what helps set our moral compass... not religion... not our parent's influence... our humanity sets our morality. Sure, parental upbringing and religion can influence us into leaning towards their expectations... but, in the end, we are the only one that are really in charge of who we are... who we will be. We'd all be fools if we didn't think and let our impulses drive us, right? Would life be worth living without love?
And... I think a lot of it has to do with my own, selfish yearning. I know for a fact that I will die. There are no maybe's of what if's in that equation. Death is going to find me, not matter what I think or believe... I know this is an absolute truth. I want something to exist beyond this life... my spirit to go on... to whatever is next. True or not... I choose to believe that our spirit endures.
Again.. thanx for making me put that down into words.
Hail, Hail!!!
sorta like i just said to someone:
do i need to understand exactly how an angel's spirit or energy works? no. i just appreciate that it's beautiful
angels share laughter
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"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Well said Chadwick and Prism. It is, indeed, humbling and a little mystery is good for us.
I understand where both of you are coming from... and truely respect your beliefs... but, I'm one just of those tinkerer types that likes to know how things work. And yes... i do see and appreciate beauty. I have an understand how the oceans and tides work and can still find beauty in her waves.... I know what stars are and can still find the wonderment of it all.
And actually... I kind of don't want to see Angels. Because it would have to mean a near death experience... something I don't really want to experience. Doesn't mean Angels don't exist... just that I know there'll come a day when death come my way. One time... I only want to face death once.
Hail, Hail!!!
cool, never heard of that phenomenon!
I've experienced an angel in the hospital when I was at my consciously worst after a near-fatal car accident. I know it was. It's just one of those things that can't really be defined any other way - I can explain if anyone wants to hear. I never saw orbs in my photos til after my accident.
And I've experienced a ghost as well. I'm ok with people not believing in either of them because they've never had experience with them, but I think if you are more open-minded to the possibility that they exist, you're more likely to experience it.
I"ve experienced a ghost too. Zoso says he doesn't believe, but he must on some level because he gets freaked out whenever I talk about it...
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Awesome that you believe this Cosmo. So do I. Everything is made up of energy. Some people are more sensitive to it than others. But we're really all spirits occupying a body until it dies and then the spirit continues to move on. Energy. Love is an energy too. I don't completely understand it, either. But it's absolutely fascinating.
What I find is that the more we're programmed in to what distracts us - electronics, the media, being physically and mentally occupied with anything really, the less we're in touch with our spiritual side. Maybe I'm the only one on the forums who meditates, but there's something to be said for the quiet solitude. We become more awake to what's really going on, and there's a big shift supposedly coming...
Well... I don't want to be laid up in a hospital with doctors and nurses and machines with tubes and stuff. I'm totally a wimp like that. I like the blood to be where it's suppposed to be... on the inside.
Hail, Hail!!!
Life can change in the blink of an eye, you know we have no control over everything all the time.
I've heard stories of people experiencing them in different situations though, it doesn't have to be you getting hurt; some people experience them when loved ones die or are severely hurt.
I can pm you later!
Angels are not only 'experienced' when one (or a loved one) is ill or near death. Angels (as I understand them) are there for all kinds of different experiences, wonderful/positive and yes, also the more negative ones. I have the feeling that this idea of 'angel of death' (ie only coming around when death is near) to be part of the legacy of the 'religious' angels - ie showing the 'way' - which is a traditional religious role of an angel.
I don't believe but hate hearing the stories because they do freak me out.
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"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Why get freaked out if you don't believe it's real? My ghost has been with me for a while now...
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
because of stories you hear, because of the movies you watch etc. the unknown is kinda scary or creepy but generally their are facts, evidence an scientific reasons for these events.. GENERALLY.
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I love you forever and forever
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count me in, jeanwah... then maybe you & i are the only ones?
no television... X
i live very peacefully and very calm and very much at ease... X
i am in tranquility pretty much 24x7... X
i feel diffferent energies pretty much all the time. some days/nights are more intense than others. lastnight i burnt sage and cleansed my home. it needed done and hadn't been done in many months. this will keep negative energy at bay for awhile. yes i love the native american indian ways as they live nearer to and with the natural world moreso than the way this modern world living has become; this modern unnatural way is not for me.
sticks, rocks & leather. sticks, rocks & leather. sticks, rocks & leather.
but i do enjoy a good computer to get on the pearl jam site to bullshit around and shoot the breeze with all you fantastic and not so fantastic people. i also like music and writing poetry. i love women & relaxation/meditation hour. i do not like mitt romney. i do not like george w bush. i do in fact love boobs, both small & large
i love the spiritual world and have learned a great deal about being alive. when we leave this life it will finally be on like donkey kong even moreso than this here life could ever imagine. i think about this stuff basically everyday all day long. my ADD/ADHD head works good with several thoughts at once so i'm covered.
i'll try to in the next few hours or days write up a short story or two about my supernatural experiences.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
move on, sir. you'll be fine and stuff
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Here is some info I've been reading on Angels - in no way does anyone need to believe this. I just find it interesting...
Angels are so much more than chubby cherubs on greeting cards. They are powerful spirits who know, love and serve God with their whole being...
The English word "angel" is derived from the Greek ἄγγελος (angelos), The Hebrew and Greek words in ancient times meant messenger, and depending on the context may refer either to a human messenger or a supernatural messenger....
Angels provide various functions in day to day life. Their main role is to be guardians and messengers... Other services they offer range from helping people make decisions, to more serious roles like saving lives.
Angels are there to help steer individuals through the difficulties they encounter by providing insight, awareness, support and encouragement in every situation that is faced throughout a humans entire lifetime.