depends on the context. corporations doing well = domestic jobs.
And that's the big lie of the republican party with no basis in fact.
CFO's care about nothing but the size of their bonus, typically. I know first hand. Who has jobs, where they are, and how much they pay are of no consequence to them.
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The word handouts is a joke. There are millions of kids in this country who don't have a chance at a normal life, not a fucking chance. No shot at a normal education, no shot at a normal job, no shot at anything that resembles a normal life. How people don't think we should do anything we can to support these kids and try to give them at least somewhat of a chance, boggles my mind. What's an extra $10 bucks out of my paycheck. One less beer at a concert or sporting event, if that.
My family’s foundation (that I am a board member of) gives money to in need libraries. Libraries that support kids in terrible situations and teach them the importance of reading. Applications in the past year have increased 400% and the situations in these communities is depressing. 95% on the free lunch programs (that’s a handout, right? might as well take that away make these little dark kids starve to death, then there will be less handouts), well over 85% of parents don't speak english or have an high school diploma. These kids don't have a chance.
How anyone can not think that the inequality in this country is a sick thing and not want to fix it, whether it means giving something up or not, absolutely boggles my mind and I honestly think that anyone that can look at the situation in our inner cities and think these kids don't deserve some help is a bigot.
Wealthy white people not wanting to help this country depresses me. We live in the greatest country in the world according to many, yet there are millions of kids who won't eat lunch today while people who are bitching about taxes have filet and scotch at lunch.
define 'wealthy'
I'm not debating whether or not everyone starts on a level playing field. I just don't think it's my personal responsibility to be the one who financially pays to even things out...of course unless I want to
I am not going to put a dollar amount on it, but I would say anyone who has enough disposable income to do a lot of the things they want to do.
But how he hell is this thing going to get fixed if not? Private donations? Bullshit. Black people weren't allowed to drink out of the same water fountains 50 or so years ago. You really think people are going to give enough money or time to fix the fucking issues in this country on good will?
And I would say that it is your responsibility to help those in need, or at least it should be. This country gave you the opportunity to grow up in a good community in the suburbs, get a good education and get a fine job that allows you to support your family while also doing things you like to do. Helping those in need who are born with no chance at that life is something I think we are all responsible for.
not sure what your end game is. a classless society?? no thanks
I vehemently disagree with your last paragraph. plenty of peole I grew up with fucked their lives up. sure I had it easier than others, but I still had to work for everything I have. Nothing was 'given' to me. I was not born with a silver spoon in my mouth
I get baffled by the people who blather on about how "I know hot to spend my only better than the government!"
Really? You're going to fix that bridge the school bus drives across? And. And come fix the potholes on my road please.
And how the federal gov't shouldn't be helping out states & localities, but then bitch & moan about crippling property taxes.
Republicans have blocked every bill to improve national infrastructure. We have one of the world's most outdated transportation systems. It's just sad.
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Everyone scrolled back. Saw what was said and see that you're just embarrassed to have made such a fool of yourself.
But please... Continue.
I enjoy seeing the mental process of the kind of people who Refuse to admit they're wrong...
Much like the Paul Ryans of the world who insist that there are no jobs because we haven't starved the middle class enough and haven't given enough money to the "job creators" like Meghan McCain and Paris Hilton.
not trying to be an a-hole, but I'm curious. why are canadiens so obsessed with american politics?? I'd be willing to guess that on average, canadiens know just as much, if not more about US politics than most average americans.
the point was that your tax dollars are going to go to handouts ... while you may think corporate handouts benefit you - they actually do not and while you think handouts to social programs don't benefit you ... they actually do ...
we are concerned because the US is the biggest player in global issues and the actions of your country directly impacts ours and the world ... whether it be war or global warming ... plus, we find it utterly fascinating that a country that is made up of so many proud and determined people could allow itself to be overrun by corruption and fraud ...
I like him just fine. And I too think his dedication to office is to be admired.
He is well liked in Washington by both parties even though he is very conservative.
Attempts to work in a non partisan way from some I have heard.
Our President is a man I like personally but his policies aren't working...
could they with another four?
this will be what I'll be weighing.
We have got to help corporations get people back to work, without this we are just doling
out endless funny funds keeping people needing and those working making them angrier
at the handouts in our country at the expense of their paychecks.
And if you're so upset about "hand outs," doesn't it bug you that billionaires are being given big sacks of cash for... Being billionaires?
The five Walton kids (of the Walmart family) have more money combined than the bottom 40% of the country. And yet half of their employees are eligible for food stamps.
not sure what your end game is. a classless society?? no thanks
I vehemently disagree with your last paragraph. plenty of peole I grew up with fucked their lives up. sure I had it easier than others, but I still had to work for everything I have. Nothing was 'given' to me. I was not born with a silver spoon in my mouth
That's not my point, that's nonsense. Me giving $50 or so extra a year is not going to all of a sudden create a classess society, nor is Warren Buffet giving and extra $100,000 or whatever. That's absurd. What it will hopefully do is give some kids the same opportunities that you and I had. Perhaps it will poossibly begin to fix our absolutely fucked up educational system.
As do I and as did I, but we had a hell of a head start and just because of the circumstances we were born into. People are not going to make it and will have fucked up lives in every class, that will always be the case, but the fact that there is not an equal playing field is bullshit. And I do think it is our responsibility to help this country for the greater good. How anyone can love this country and think otherwise makes no sense.
Everyone scrolled back. Saw what was said and see that you're just embarrassed to have made such a fool of yourself.
But please... Continue.
I enjoy seeing the mental process of the kind of people who Refuse to admit they're wrong...
Much like the Paul Ryans of the world who insist that there are no jobs because we haven't starved the middle class enough and haven't given enough money to the "job creators" like Meghan McCain and Paris Hilton.
haha. am I the only one hoping this exchange continues? quite entertaining
maybe I'm naieve to think that if corporations are doing well they will, in turn, pour that money into local communities and the creation of jobs.
Yeah, I think naive is a good way to put it.
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We have got to help corporations get people back to work,
Ok.
Well let's see... Giving the owners a big huge tax cut to add to that big stack of money sitting in their Swiss bank accounts hasn't worked... Let's see if giving them more money would work. :fp:
The president has been trying to end those bush-era tax cuts and the Republicans are fighting him on it.
The word handouts is a joke. There are millions of kids in this country who don't have a chance at a normal life, not a fucking chance. No shot at a normal education, no shot at a normal job, no shot at anything that resembles a normal life.
Just to toss this back at ya:
There are millions of RICH kids in this country that are so wealthy and their parents are so inept that don't have a chance at a normal life, not a fucking chance. No shot at a normal education, no shot at a normal job, not a shot at anything that resembles a normal life.
How people don't think we should do anything we can to support these kids and try to give them at least somewhat of a chance, boggles my mind. What's an extra $10 bucks out of my paycheck. One less beer at a concert or sporting event, if that.
Not that I completely disagree here, but I mean should we do anything to help those rich kids? Where's the line drawn? Is there a line? And how do we "show support"? Does it have to be FORCED via government? Or can people actually do it on their own and have a choice in the matter?
But, I get what you're saying. There are poor kids, it would be nice to help. I'm on board with that. The question is broader then that though.
My family’s foundation (that I am a board member of) gives money to in need libraries. Libraries that support kids in terrible situations and teach them the importance of reading.
That's great that you give money via a private enterprise to libraries.
Applications in the past year have increased 400% and the situations in these communities is depressing. 95% on the free lunch programs (that’s a handout, right? might as well take that away make these little dark kids starve to death, then there will be less handouts), well over 85% of parents don't speak english or have an high school diploma. These kids don't have a chance.
That's because the economy is shit. The argument against equality is equity. Until one realizes this, they will struggle to understand the other side. There's a trade-off between growth and equality.
P.S. I think you're points would be better if you didn't toss out the race card. News flash - Poor white children are also poor. Or are we talking about race here? Cause I thought your point was about poverty.
How anyone can not think that the inequality in this country is a sick thing and not want to fix it, whether it means giving something up or not, absolutely boggles my mind and I honestly think that anyone that can look at the situation in our inner cities and think these kids don't deserve some help is a bigot.
Inequality increases when every single persons income gains 10%. Think about that for a moment. Under that scenario, everyone's better off, yet inequality increased. So, I would say to you - no it's not a "sick thing". The rich are getting poorer, in relative terms right now as are the poor. I'd say that's a "sick thing". The fact that we're in what I'd deem a depression - that's a "sick thing".
Don't get me wrong - even in depressions in my opinion we should all strive to help the poor - we all should. But, should everyone be forced to do this or that - by funding another lackluster government program? I don't think so.
Further, if people who don't agree with you are bigots, I would say you're being a bigot... defined by Merriam-Webster as "a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially: one who regards or treats the members of a group with hatred and intolerance". You want everyone to think exactly like you.
Wealthy white people not wanting to help this country depresses me.
You kinda come off as a racist. This "wealthy white people" line kinda brings out my earlier points. Aren't some African Americans, Asians, Hispanics also wealthy? Do they not bother you? I mean, weren't you the person calling other people bigots a moment ago?
We live in the greatest country in the world according to many, yet there are millions of kids who won't eat lunch today while people who are bitching about taxes have filet and scotch at lunch.
The poor in our country would be considered wealthy elsewhere. That's not to say it's not the right thing to do to help them. But, if you prefer to not toss money into an inept bureaucracy that says it will do one thing and consistently does another.... personally, I can't blame you. Lots of people think government is a terrible place to put your money or get things done. Instead, they go to charities or foundations - like yours.
Anyway, if poverty is bothering you... I think you need to question why it's happening. Charitable donations (both private or public), certainly can have merit, but they aren't the reason why the poverty level is about to rise to the highest level since the 60s.
And if you're so upset about "hand outs," doesn't it bug you that billionaires are being given big sacks of cash for... Being billionaires?
The five Walton kids (of the Walmart family) have more money combined than the bottom 40% of the country. And yet half of their employees are eligible for food stamps.
So we're going to give them... A tax cut... :fp:
Half the population of our country now receives govt aid of some kind...
And if you're so upset about "hand outs," doesn't it bug you that billionaires are being given big sacks of cash for... Being billionaires?
The five Walton kids (of the Walmart family) have more money combined than the bottom 40% of the country. And yet half of their employees are eligible for food stamps.
So we're going to give them... A tax cut... :fp:
Half the population of our country now receives govt aid of some kind...
good lord
what is wrong with that picture?
And you think the solution is to get rid of government aid and let those people starve or die, give tax breaks to rich people and what, exactly?
Half the population of our country now receives govt aid of some kind...
I'm sure that includes Social Security and Medicare benefits that they paid for with payroll taxes. Just skew those stats however you want.
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I don't even know where to start. Yes, I have openly said here many times that by definition I am sure I come off as a bigot towards intolerance, which is fine to me. Incredibly hypocritical, I am sure.
Yes, I know plenty of rich white kids who didn't have to work for a thing and got into drugs and were never able to get off and have contributed nothing to society. I would love for there to be better programs to help them get clean and contribute to society, it is just much less of an issue than it is in poor communities and much less of a drain on our country.
I get that there are poor and rich in every race, I am just using minorities as an example since it is much more prevalent. We obviously need better schools and opportunities for all poor.
Have a meeting in a few but will look at the specifics after.
Edit: And yes, we know that our increase in applications is due to the economy and also due to a cut back in gov't funding. With the economy in the shitter it is also hurting our ability to donate what we would like so it's a lose, lose.
Edit: And I don't disagree that the government does not handle the money like it should or needs to. That's a fact we obvsiously all know. There needs to be a whole lot more accountability on where it goes, but my point is more that all of us that can, should be held responsible to help this country.
I'm far from a political expert. Just trying to better understand the liberal point of view.
I used to lean left. then I turned 30 and started making some money. I don't lean left anymore.
I do find it interesting to hear what causes people to feel/vote the way they do. I could never be a die hard supporter of either party.
because there are social consequences to the system put forth ... it's hard to explain without overly simplifying it but would you rather have less people on social assistance and unemployed or more? ... i'll give you an example ... up until recently (bad summer here in toronto) ... youth crime was down year over year ... the police all said it was because there was a reinvestment in after school programs that were gutted under our former conservative premier (governor to you) ... more police and tougher laws didn't change that situation ... but after school basketball programs and such did ... less crime is a win win for everyone ... unless you make your money profiting from crime (see prisons) ...
you should definitely not be a die hard supporter of either party as it stands now ... they are both screwing you over ...
while you think handouts to social programs don't benefit you ... they actually do ...
...
how so?
I'm far from a political expert. Just trying to better understand the liberal point of view.
I used to lean left. then I turned 30 and started making some money. I don't lean left anymore.
I do find it interesting to hear what causes people to feel/vote the way they do. I could never be a die hard supporter of either party.
See it was the opposite for me.
When my business started doing well, I realized that if more people had disposable income, I'd make more money.
I don't want another silly tax cut for being rich, I want the potential customers of mine to have money so they buy things from me.
And putting the whole tax burden on them and starving them out hasn't worked. It's just resulted in more lazy billionaires who don't have to work for their money.
On a more objective note. I'd say if Romney doesn't get a big bounce from the Ryan pick then his campaign is in real big trouble. I'm struggling to see where that bounce is going to come from, but stranger things have happened.
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On a more objective note. I'd say if Romney doesn't get a big bounce from the Ryan pick then his campaign is in real big trouble. I'm struggling to see where that bounce is going to come from, but stranger things have happened.
I think the strategy is for a long-term buildup of support rather then a quick shot to the arm. Ryan is smart and well respected ... now they need to show that to the country.
By the way, did anyone see the outlandish TV ad when the Ryan lookalike throws a lady in a wheelchair off a cliff? I laughed in disbelief.
On a more objective note. I'd say if Romney doesn't get a big bounce from the Ryan pick then his campaign is in real big trouble. I'm struggling to see where that bounce is going to come from, but stranger things have happened.
i think there is a natural bounce assuming the campaign managers run the proper PR ... much like Palin was a bounce ...
i really think mitt is a sacrificial lamb here in this election ... i mean - all the GOP had to do was run some guy out there who said a whole lot of nothing ... someone with a decent record in congress or the senate ... just throw out the cut taxes and create jobs mantra and they would have a reasonable shot at winning this thing ... but instead they pick this ahole and then choose a tea party guy as a running mate ... i really don't think the powers that be that control these things care to have obama replaced at this juncture ...
I'm far from a political expert. Just trying to better understand the liberal point of view.
I used to lean left. then I turned 30 and started making some money. I don't lean left anymore.
I do find it interesting to hear what causes people to feel/vote the way they do. I could never be a die hard supporter of either party.
because there are social consequences to the system put forth ... it's hard to explain without overly simplifying it but would you rather have less people on social assistance and unemployed or more? ... i'll give you an example ... up until recently (bad summer here in toronto) ... youth crime was down year over year ... the police all said it was because there was a reinvestment in after school programs that were gutted under our former conservative premier (governor to you) ... more police and tougher laws didn't change that situation ... but after school basketball programs and such did ... less crime is a win win for everyone ... unless you make your money profiting from crime (see prisons) ...
you should definitely not be a die hard supporter of either party as it stands now ... they are both screwing you over ...
'would you rather have less people on social assistance and unemployed or more?'
um, isn't unemployment a form of social assistance?? I'm against both options (at least the extended unemployment that the govt recently offered).
not sure that I agree that after school programs are helping me. I'd have a difficult time being convinced that I should be paying for that type of stuff...especially if my kids weren't attending.
On a more objective note. I'd say if Romney doesn't get a big bounce from the Ryan pick then his campaign is in real big trouble. I'm struggling to see where that bounce is going to come from, but stranger things have happened.
i think there is a natural bounce assuming the campaign managers run the proper PR ... much like Palin was a bounce ...
i really think mitt is a sacrificial lamb here in this election ... i mean - all the GOP had to do was run some guy out there who said a whole lot of nothing ... someone with a decent record in congress or the senate ... just throw out the cut taxes and create jobs mantra and they would have a reasonable shot at winning this thing ... but instead they pick this ahole and then choose a tea party guy as a running mate ... i really don't think the powers that be that control these things care to have obama replaced at this juncture ...
Well they seem to get most of what they want even with Obama in office, so you may have a point. :roll:
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while you think handouts to social programs don't benefit you ... they actually do ...
...
how so?
I'm far from a political expert. Just trying to better understand the liberal point of view.
I used to lean left. then I turned 30 and started making some money. I don't lean left anymore.
I do find it interesting to hear what causes people to feel/vote the way they do. I could never be a die hard supporter of either party.
See it was the opposite for me.
When my business started doing well, I realized that if more people had disposable income, I'd make more money.
I don't want another silly tax cut for being rich, I want the potential customers of mine to have money so they buy things from me.
And putting the whole tax burden on them and starving them out hasn't worked. It's just resulted in more lazy billionaires who don't have to work for their money.
I don't understand why a fixed tax rate for all can't be implemented. why penalize people for being successful?
On a more objective note. I'd say if Romney doesn't get a big bounce from the Ryan pick then his campaign is in real big trouble. I'm struggling to see where that bounce is going to come from, but stranger things have happened.
personally I don't think ryan affects this election one bit. romney was never going to win...ryan sure isn't going to change that.
the electoral college is worse than our candidates
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CFO's care about nothing but the size of their bonus, typically. I know first hand. Who has jobs, where they are, and how much they pay are of no consequence to them.
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not sure what your end game is. a classless society?? no thanks
I vehemently disagree with your last paragraph. plenty of peole I grew up with fucked their lives up. sure I had it easier than others, but I still had to work for everything I have. Nothing was 'given' to me. I was not born with a silver spoon in my mouth
And how the federal gov't shouldn't be helping out states & localities, but then bitch & moan about crippling property taxes.
Republicans have blocked every bill to improve national infrastructure. We have one of the world's most outdated transportation systems. It's just sad.
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Everyone scrolled back. Saw what was said and see that you're just embarrassed to have made such a fool of yourself.
But please... Continue.
I enjoy seeing the mental process of the kind of people who Refuse to admit they're wrong...
Much like the Paul Ryans of the world who insist that there are no jobs because we haven't starved the middle class enough and haven't given enough money to the "job creators" like Meghan McCain and Paris Hilton.
the point was that your tax dollars are going to go to handouts ... while you may think corporate handouts benefit you - they actually do not and while you think handouts to social programs don't benefit you ... they actually do ...
we are concerned because the US is the biggest player in global issues and the actions of your country directly impacts ours and the world ... whether it be war or global warming ... plus, we find it utterly fascinating that a country that is made up of so many proud and determined people could allow itself to be overrun by corruption and fraud ...
He is well liked in Washington by both parties even though he is very conservative.
Attempts to work in a non partisan way from some I have heard.
I read through his budget ... wiki...it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Path_to_Prosperity
Our President is a man I like personally but his policies aren't working...
could they with another four?
this will be what I'll be weighing.
We have got to help corporations get people back to work, without this we are just doling
out endless funny funds keeping people needing and those working making them angrier
at the handouts in our country at the expense of their paychecks.
The five Walton kids (of the Walmart family) have more money combined than the bottom 40% of the country. And yet half of their employees are eligible for food stamps.
So we're going to give them... A tax cut... :fp:
That's not my point, that's nonsense. Me giving $50 or so extra a year is not going to all of a sudden create a classess society, nor is Warren Buffet giving and extra $100,000 or whatever. That's absurd. What it will hopefully do is give some kids the same opportunities that you and I had. Perhaps it will poossibly begin to fix our absolutely fucked up educational system.
As do I and as did I, but we had a hell of a head start and just because of the circumstances we were born into. People are not going to make it and will have fucked up lives in every class, that will always be the case, but the fact that there is not an equal playing field is bullshit. And I do think it is our responsibility to help this country for the greater good. How anyone can love this country and think otherwise makes no sense.
maybe I'm naieve to think that if corporations are doing well they will, in turn, pour that money into local communities and the creation of jobs.
It's sad when I feel like corporations will act more responsibly with my taxes than the govt will
but hey, at least I'm helping obama fix our highways :roll:
haha. am I the only one hoping this exchange continues? quite entertaining
Yeah, I think naive is a good way to put it.
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Ok.
Well let's see... Giving the owners a big huge tax cut to add to that big stack of money sitting in their Swiss bank accounts hasn't worked... Let's see if giving them more money would work. :fp:
The president has been trying to end those bush-era tax cuts and the Republicans are fighting him on it.
Let's elect more republicans. That should work.
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It's been that kind of morning
how so?
I'm far from a political expert. Just trying to better understand the liberal point of view.
I used to lean left. then I turned 30 and started making some money. I don't lean left anymore.
I do find it interesting to hear what causes people to feel/vote the way they do. I could never be a die hard supporter of either party.
Just to toss this back at ya:
There are millions of RICH kids in this country that are so wealthy and their parents are so inept that don't have a chance at a normal life, not a fucking chance. No shot at a normal education, no shot at a normal job, not a shot at anything that resembles a normal life.
Not that I completely disagree here, but I mean should we do anything to help those rich kids? Where's the line drawn? Is there a line? And how do we "show support"? Does it have to be FORCED via government? Or can people actually do it on their own and have a choice in the matter?
But, I get what you're saying. There are poor kids, it would be nice to help. I'm on board with that. The question is broader then that though.
That's great that you give money via a private enterprise to libraries.
That's because the economy is shit. The argument against equality is equity. Until one realizes this, they will struggle to understand the other side. There's a trade-off between growth and equality.
P.S. I think you're points would be better if you didn't toss out the race card. News flash - Poor white children are also poor. Or are we talking about race here? Cause I thought your point was about poverty.
Inequality increases when every single persons income gains 10%. Think about that for a moment. Under that scenario, everyone's better off, yet inequality increased. So, I would say to you - no it's not a "sick thing". The rich are getting poorer, in relative terms right now as are the poor. I'd say that's a "sick thing". The fact that we're in what I'd deem a depression - that's a "sick thing".
Don't get me wrong - even in depressions in my opinion we should all strive to help the poor - we all should. But, should everyone be forced to do this or that - by funding another lackluster government program? I don't think so.
Further, if people who don't agree with you are bigots, I would say you're being a bigot... defined by Merriam-Webster as "a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially: one who regards or treats the members of a group with hatred and intolerance". You want everyone to think exactly like you.
You kinda come off as a racist. This "wealthy white people" line kinda brings out my earlier points. Aren't some African Americans, Asians, Hispanics also wealthy? Do they not bother you? I mean, weren't you the person calling other people bigots a moment ago?
The poor in our country would be considered wealthy elsewhere. That's not to say it's not the right thing to do to help them. But, if you prefer to not toss money into an inept bureaucracy that says it will do one thing and consistently does another.... personally, I can't blame you. Lots of people think government is a terrible place to put your money or get things done. Instead, they go to charities or foundations - like yours.
Anyway, if poverty is bothering you... I think you need to question why it's happening. Charitable donations (both private or public), certainly can have merit, but they aren't the reason why the poverty level is about to rise to the highest level since the 60s.
To quote Clinton - It's the economy stupid.
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Yes, Biden won both in 2008.
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what is wrong with that picture?
And you think the solution is to get rid of government aid and let those people starve or die, give tax breaks to rich people and what, exactly?
I'm sure that includes Social Security and Medicare benefits that they paid for with payroll taxes. Just skew those stats however you want.
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Yes, I know plenty of rich white kids who didn't have to work for a thing and got into drugs and were never able to get off and have contributed nothing to society. I would love for there to be better programs to help them get clean and contribute to society, it is just much less of an issue than it is in poor communities and much less of a drain on our country.
I get that there are poor and rich in every race, I am just using minorities as an example since it is much more prevalent. We obviously need better schools and opportunities for all poor.
Have a meeting in a few but will look at the specifics after.
Edit: And yes, we know that our increase in applications is due to the economy and also due to a cut back in gov't funding. With the economy in the shitter it is also hurting our ability to donate what we would like so it's a lose, lose.
Edit: And I don't disagree that the government does not handle the money like it should or needs to. That's a fact we obvsiously all know. There needs to be a whole lot more accountability on where it goes, but my point is more that all of us that can, should be held responsible to help this country.
because there are social consequences to the system put forth ... it's hard to explain without overly simplifying it but would you rather have less people on social assistance and unemployed or more? ... i'll give you an example ... up until recently (bad summer here in toronto) ... youth crime was down year over year ... the police all said it was because there was a reinvestment in after school programs that were gutted under our former conservative premier (governor to you) ... more police and tougher laws didn't change that situation ... but after school basketball programs and such did ... less crime is a win win for everyone ... unless you make your money profiting from crime (see prisons) ...
you should definitely not be a die hard supporter of either party as it stands now ... they are both screwing you over ...
See it was the opposite for me.
When my business started doing well, I realized that if more people had disposable income, I'd make more money.
I don't want another silly tax cut for being rich, I want the potential customers of mine to have money so they buy things from me.
And putting the whole tax burden on them and starving them out hasn't worked. It's just resulted in more lazy billionaires who don't have to work for their money.
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Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
By the way, did anyone see the outlandish TV ad when the Ryan lookalike throws a lady in a wheelchair off a cliff? I laughed in disbelief.
i think there is a natural bounce assuming the campaign managers run the proper PR ... much like Palin was a bounce ...
i really think mitt is a sacrificial lamb here in this election ... i mean - all the GOP had to do was run some guy out there who said a whole lot of nothing ... someone with a decent record in congress or the senate ... just throw out the cut taxes and create jobs mantra and they would have a reasonable shot at winning this thing ... but instead they pick this ahole and then choose a tea party guy as a running mate ... i really don't think the powers that be that control these things care to have obama replaced at this juncture ...
'would you rather have less people on social assistance and unemployed or more?'
um, isn't unemployment a form of social assistance?? I'm against both options (at least the extended unemployment that the govt recently offered).
not sure that I agree that after school programs are helping me. I'd have a difficult time being convinced that I should be paying for that type of stuff...especially if my kids weren't attending.
Well they seem to get most of what they want even with Obama in office, so you may have a point. :roll:
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I don't understand why a fixed tax rate for all can't be implemented. why penalize people for being successful?
personally I don't think ryan affects this election one bit. romney was never going to win...ryan sure isn't going to change that.
the electoral college is worse than our candidates