Romney to pick Paul Ryan for VP

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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,492
    polaris_x wrote:
    dammit ... i actually skimmed/partially read all fucking 10 pages of this thread to hear what our conservative brethren thought of this pick ... and i didn't get anything ...


    Well, I think, thanks to a couple of AMT regulars here and their silly discussion, that everyone that has read the last several pages is at least just a little bit dumber for it. So you have that going for you. ;)
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Well, I think, thanks to a couple of AMT regulars here and their silly discussion, that everyone that has read the last several pages is at least just a little bit dumber for it. So you have that going for you. ;)

    ya ... that was particularly bad but i will gladly admit to putting others through those kind of discussions in the past and will likely do so again ... :lol::lol:
  • The FixerThe Fixer Posts: 12,837

    There have been many times I've given things of mine to people I thought needed them more. Maybe that makes me weak or stupid. Or just someone who realizes that sometimes we all need help.

    I commend you for doing good deeds. My problem with the Democratic party's line of thinking regarding handouts is that I don't like being told what to do. I especially don't like being told how I have to spend my money. So I have a difficult time backing a candidate who forces me to contribute tax dollars to federal programs that 'help' the unfortunate. If I want to help these types of people I should have the option of donating my time or money to their respective charity. My belief is that I should take care of me and my family first...everyone else is a distant second.

    The older I get the more these handouts bother me.
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    The Fixer wrote:
    I commend you for doing good deeds. My problem with the Democratic party's line of thinking regarding handouts is that I don't like being told what to do. I especially don't like being told how I have to spend my money. So I have a difficult time backing a candidate who forces me to contribute tax dollars to federal programs that 'help' the unfortunate. If I want to help these types of people I should have the option of donating my time or money to their respective charity. My belief is that I should take care of me and my family first...everyone else is a distant second.

    The older I get the more these handouts bother me.

    well ... how do you feel about your tax dollars going to corporations and the ultra wealthy then!? ...

    and mike - see what i'm talking about!?
  • The FixerThe Fixer Posts: 12,837
    polaris_x wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    I commend you for doing good deeds. My problem with the Democratic party's line of thinking regarding handouts is that I don't like being told what to do. I especially don't like being told how I have to spend my money. So I have a difficult time backing a candidate who forces me to contribute tax dollars to federal programs that 'help' the unfortunate. If I want to help these types of people I should have the option of donating my time or money to their respective charity. My belief is that I should take care of me and my family first...everyone else is a distant second.

    The older I get the more these handouts bother me.

    well ... how do you feel about your tax dollars going to corporations and the ultra wealthy then!? ...

    !?

    depends on the context. corporations doing well = domestic jobs.
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    The Fixer wrote:
    depends on the context. corporations doing well = domestic jobs.

    uhhh ... where do you get that? ... corporations operate on profit and shareholder value ... that usually means cutting jobs these days ...

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/26/busin ... wanted=all
  • The FixerThe Fixer Posts: 12,837
    polaris_x wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    depends on the context. corporations doing well = domestic jobs.

    uhhh ... where do you get that? ... corporations operate on profit and shareholder value ... that usually means cutting jobs these days ...

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/26/busin ... wanted=all

    In the case of HD, I'm fine with them cutting jobs if they're the union variety :D

    Not saying my statement correlates 100% of the time...but I don't think the auto industry is the best example to supporty your stance here.
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,156
    polaris_x wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    depends on the context. corporations doing well = domestic jobs.

    uhhh ... where do you get that? ... corporations operate on profit and shareholder value ... that usually means cutting jobs these days ...

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/26/busin ... wanted=all
    I've worked jobs for private sector and the public sector. The private sector may be cold-hearted, but at least it's not dumb and inefficient. If the government cared about efficiency with the same zeal as the private sector, we would be in the black financially with socialized healthcare for all.
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    polaris_x wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    depends on the context. corporations doing well = domestic jobs.

    uhhh ... where do you get that? ... corporations operate on profit and shareholder value ... that usually means cutting jobs these days ...

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/26/busin ... wanted=all

    yes it does but it also means creating job's, I have been experiancing this for the last few years
    besides whats the differance if we support or do not support corprate America ?..the Dem's tax the fuck out of em or the republicans give them a green light to outsource...either way the working man looses under our current system.

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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,897
    The word handouts is a joke. There are millions of kids in this country who don't have a chance at a normal life, not a fucking chance. No shot at a normal education, no shot at a normal job, no shot at anything that resembles a normal life. How people don't think we should do anything we can to support these kids and try to give them at least somewhat of a chance, boggles my mind. What's an extra $10 bucks out of my paycheck. One less beer at a concert or sporting event, if that.

    My family’s foundation (that I am a board member of) gives money to in need libraries. Libraries that support kids in terrible situations and teach them the importance of reading. Applications in the past year have increased 400% and the situations in these communities is depressing. 95% on the free lunch programs (that’s a handout, right? might as well take that away make these little dark kids starve to death, then there will be less handouts), well over 85% of parents don't speak english or have an high school diploma. These kids don't have a chance.

    How anyone can not think that the inequality in this country is a sick thing and not want to fix it, whether it means giving something up or not, absolutely boggles my mind and I honestly think that anyone that can look at the situation in our inner cities and think these kids don't deserve some help is a bigot.

    Wealthy white people not wanting to help this country depresses me. We live in the greatest country in the world according to many, yet there are millions of kids who won't eat lunch today while people who are bitching about taxes have filet and scotch at lunch.
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,156
    "My veins run with cheese, bratwurst, and a little Spotted Cow and some Millers," Ryan said, his voice cracking with emotion.

    ...

    Finally, someone I can relate to! :P
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Godfather. wrote:
    yes it does but it also means creating job's, I have been experiancing this for the last few years besides whats the differance if we support or do not support corprate America ?..the Dem's tax the fuck out of em or the republicans give them a green light to outsource...either way the working man looses under our current system.

    Godfather.

    interesting ... didn't know a republican was in office ... :)
  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    Personally I think this pick is not about the budget and not about medicare or anything else the media is talking about.

    Romney picked the one "minority" candidate who might be able to swing a voting bloc. He had no shot at swinging African Americans or Latinos - 95% and 67% for Obama according to CNN's exit polls in 2008.

    But Catholics who are 27% of the voters went for Obama 54-45. They went for W 52-47 in 2004 when Kerry who was a pro-choice Catholic on the ticket.

    You have the Catholics bishops suing over contraception and a pro-choice Catholic as VP right now. You run a pro-life Catholic with "Midwestern" values as your VP and you might swing the Catholic vote back to the Republican side or at least even.

    If that happens, a lot of the close states that Obama won in 2008 would flip to the other side.

    Strangely enough - the only Protestant on either ticket is Obama, but it's very unlikely that Protestants are going to switch over to Obama after almost always supporting Republicans.
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,492
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    might as well take that away make these little dark kids starve to death,


    Nice.

    I should add though, it seems like the work your family does is really important and good, not knowing the specifics though obviously.
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    The Fixer wrote:
    In the case of HD, I'm fine with them cutting jobs if they're the union variety :D

    Not saying my statement correlates 100% of the time...but I don't think the auto industry is the best example to supporty your stance here.

    you can look at any other industry if you like ... the "street" rewards profit margins and growth ... if revenues aren't expanding - you need to cut costs and you know the executives aren't touching their bonuses and huge salaries ... so, guess what ... job cuts are the first thing they do ...
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    The word handouts is a joke. There are millions of kids in this country who don't have a chance at a normal life, not a fucking chance. No shot at a normal education, no shot at a normal job, no shot at anything that resembles a normal life. How people don't think we should do anything we can to support these kids and try to give them at least somewhat of a chance, boggles my mind. What's an extra $10 bucks out of my paycheck. One less beer at a concert or sporting event, if that.

    My family’s foundation (that I am a board member of) gives money to in need libraries. Libraries that support kids in terrible situations and teach them the importance of reading. Applications in the past year have increased 400% and the situations in these communities is depressing. 95% on the free lunch programs (that’s a handout, right? might as well take that away make these little dark kids starve to death, then there will be less handouts), well over 85% of parents don't speak english or have an high school diploma. These kids don't have a chance.

    How anyone can not think that the inequality in this country is a sick thing and not want to fix it, whether it means giving something up or not, absolutely boggles my mind and I honestly think that anyone that can look at the situation in our inner cities and think these kids don't deserve some help is a bigot.

    Wealthy white people not wanting to help this country depresses me. We live in the greatest country in the world according to many, yet there are millions of kids who won't eat lunch today while people who are bitching about taxes have filet and scotch at lunch.

    you are a "we-first" kinda guy ... :)

    the more troubling part is that the people you are referring to do not realize that in the grand scheme of things - helping people get back on their feet, feeding children, educating the poor will ultimately be better for them in the long run ... it's like there is this fear that they won't be able to buy 5 cars and live in 6,000 sq. ft. homes or something if they did ...
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,897
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    might as well take that away make these little dark kids starve to death,


    Nice.

    I should add though, it seems like the work your family does is really important and good, not knowing the specifics though obviously.


    Sarcasm, obviously. The free lunch program is a handout though, right? One that will probably be significantly cut back if Paul Ryan had his budget implemented.

    Thanks, we try.
  • The FixerThe Fixer Posts: 12,837
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    The word handouts is a joke. There are millions of kids in this country who don't have a chance at a normal life, not a fucking chance. No shot at a normal education, no shot at a normal job, no shot at anything that resembles a normal life. How people don't think we should do anything we can to support these kids and try to give them at least somewhat of a chance, boggles my mind. What's an extra $10 bucks out of my paycheck. One less beer at a concert or sporting event, if that.

    My family’s foundation (that I am a board member of) gives money to in need libraries. Libraries that support kids in terrible situations and teach them the importance of reading. Applications in the past year have increased 400% and the situations in these communities is depressing. 95% on the free lunch programs (that’s a handout, right? might as well take that away make these little dark kids starve to death, then there will be less handouts), well over 85% of parents don't speak english or have an high school diploma. These kids don't have a chance.

    How anyone can not think that the inequality in this country is a sick thing and not want to fix it, whether it means giving something up or not, absolutely boggles my mind and I honestly think that anyone that can look at the situation in our inner cities and think these kids don't deserve some help is a bigot.

    Wealthy white people not wanting to help this country depresses me. We live in the greatest country in the world according to many, yet there are millions of kids who won't eat lunch today while people who are bitching about taxes have filet and scotch at lunch.


    define 'wealthy'

    I'm not debating whether or not everyone starts on a level playing field. I just don't think it's my personal responsibility to be the one who financially pays to even things out...of course unless I want to
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,897
    edited August 2012
    The Fixer wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    The word handouts is a joke. There are millions of kids in this country who don't have a chance at a normal life, not a fucking chance. No shot at a normal education, no shot at a normal job, no shot at anything that resembles a normal life. How people don't think we should do anything we can to support these kids and try to give them at least somewhat of a chance, boggles my mind. What's an extra $10 bucks out of my paycheck. One less beer at a concert or sporting event, if that.

    My family’s foundation (that I am a board member of) gives money to in need libraries. Libraries that support kids in terrible situations and teach them the importance of reading. Applications in the past year have increased 400% and the situations in these communities is depressing. 95% on the free lunch programs (that’s a handout, right? might as well take that away make these little dark kids starve to death, then there will be less handouts), well over 85% of parents don't speak english or have an high school diploma. These kids don't have a chance.

    How anyone can not think that the inequality in this country is a sick thing and not want to fix it, whether it means giving something up or not, absolutely boggles my mind and I honestly think that anyone that can look at the situation in our inner cities and think these kids don't deserve some help is a bigot.

    Wealthy white people not wanting to help this country depresses me. We live in the greatest country in the world according to many, yet there are millions of kids who won't eat lunch today while people who are bitching about taxes have filet and scotch at lunch.


    define 'wealthy'

    I'm not debating whether or not everyone starts on a level playing field. I just don't think it's my personal responsibility to be the one who financially pays to even things out...of course unless I want to

    I am not going to put a dollar amount on it, but I would say anyone who has enough disposable income to do a lot of the things they want to do.

    But how he hell is this thing going to get fixed if not? Private donations? Bullshit. Black people weren't allowed to drink out of the same water fountains 50 or so years ago. You really think people are going to give enough money or time to fix the fucking issues in this country on good will?

    And I would say that it is your responsibility to help those in need, or at least it should be. This country gave you the opportunity to grow up in a good community in the suburbs, get a good education and get a fine job that allows you to support your family while also doing things you like to do. Helping those in need who are born with no chance at that life is something I think we are all responsible for.
    Post edited by Cliffy6745 on
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 40,181
    The Fixer wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    I commend you for doing good deeds. My problem with the Democratic party's line of thinking regarding handouts is that I don't like being told what to do. I especially don't like being told how I have to spend my money. So I have a difficult time backing a candidate who forces me to contribute tax dollars to federal programs that 'help' the unfortunate. If I want to help these types of people I should have the option of donating my time or money to their respective charity. My belief is that I should take care of me and my family first...everyone else is a distant second.

    The older I get the more these handouts bother me.

    well ... how do you feel about your tax dollars going to corporations and the ultra wealthy then!? ...

    !?

    depends on the context. corporations doing well = domestic jobs.
    oil industry subsidies( yet they post record profit after record profit?) Mega farm companies getting farming subsidies? We give money to for profit corps that dont need it. They then have a dodge on taxes. WTF?
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,191
    The Fixer wrote:

    There have been many times I've given things of mine to people I thought needed them more. Maybe that makes me weak or stupid. Or just someone who realizes that sometimes we all need help.

    I commend you for doing good deeds. My problem with the Democratic party's line of thinking regarding handouts is that I don't like being told what to do. I especially don't like being told how I have to spend my money. So I have a difficult time backing a candidate who forces me to contribute tax dollars to federal programs that 'help' the unfortunate. If I want to help these types of people I should have the option of donating my time or money to their respective charity. My belief is that I should take care of me and my family first...everyone else is a distant second.

    The older I get the more these handouts bother me.

    I guess you don't mind helping the 'types' of people at Lockheed Martin?
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,897
    polaris_x wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    The word handouts is a joke. There are millions of kids in this country who don't have a chance at a normal life, not a fucking chance. No shot at a normal education, no shot at a normal job, no shot at anything that resembles a normal life. How people don't think we should do anything we can to support these kids and try to give them at least somewhat of a chance, boggles my mind. What's an extra $10 bucks out of my paycheck. One less beer at a concert or sporting event, if that.

    My family’s foundation (that I am a board member of) gives money to in need libraries. Libraries that support kids in terrible situations and teach them the importance of reading. Applications in the past year have increased 400% and the situations in these communities is depressing. 95% on the free lunch programs (that’s a handout, right? might as well take that away make these little dark kids starve to death, then there will be less handouts), well over 85% of parents don't speak english or have an high school diploma. These kids don't have a chance.

    How anyone can not think that the inequality in this country is a sick thing and not want to fix it, whether it means giving something up or not, absolutely boggles my mind and I honestly think that anyone that can look at the situation in our inner cities and think these kids don't deserve some help is a bigot.

    Wealthy white people not wanting to help this country depresses me. We live in the greatest country in the world according to many, yet there are millions of kids who won't eat lunch today while people who are bitching about taxes have filet and scotch at lunch.

    you are a "we-first" kinda guy ... :)

    the more troubling part is that the people you are referring to do not realize that in the grand scheme of things - helping people get back on their feet, feeding children, educating the poor will ultimately be better for them in the long run ... it's like there is this fear that they won't be able to buy 5 cars and live in 6,000 sq. ft. homes or something if they did ...

    Exactly. Agreed 100%.
  • Johnny AbruzzoJohnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 11,769
    mickeyrat wrote:
    depends on the context. corporations doing well = domestic jobs.
    oil industry subsidies( yet they post record profit after record profit?) Mega farm companies getting farming subsidies? We give money to for profit corps that dont need it. They then have a dodge on taxes. WTF?[/quote]

    This is what I think of when I hear the word "handouts." Disgusting.

    Of course, I have people in my family who are just too fucking lazy to work and get welfare & Medicaid. The working people get squeezed from all sides.
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  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    The word handouts is a joke. There are millions of kids in this country who don't have a chance at a normal life, not a fucking chance. No shot at a normal education, no shot at a normal job, no shot at anything that resembles a normal life. How people don't think we should do anything we can to support these kids and try to give them at least somewhat of a chance, boggles my mind. What's an extra $10 bucks out of my paycheck. One less beer at a concert or sporting event, if that.

    My family’s foundation (that I am a board member of) gives money to in need libraries. Libraries that support kids in terrible situations and teach them the importance of reading. Applications in the past year have increased 400% and the situations in these communities is depressing. 95% on the free lunch programs (that’s a handout, right? might as well take that away make these little dark kids starve to death, then there will be less handouts), well over 85% of parents don't speak english or have an high school diploma. These kids don't have a chance.

    How anyone can not think that the inequality in this country is a sick thing and not want to fix it, whether it means giving something up or not, absolutely boggles my mind and I honestly think that anyone that can look at the situation in our inner cities and think these kids don't deserve some help is a bigot.

    Wealthy white people not wanting to help this country depresses me. We live in the greatest country in the world according to many, yet there are millions of kids who won't eat lunch today while people who are bitching about taxes have filet and scotch at lunch.


    :clap::clap::clap:
  • The Fixer wrote:
    ]

    depends on the context. corporations doing well = domestic jobs.

    And that's the big lie of the republican party with no basis in fact.
  • The FixerThe Fixer Posts: 12,837
    polaris_x wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    In the case of HD, I'm fine with them cutting jobs if they're the union variety :D

    Not saying my statement correlates 100% of the time...but I don't think the auto industry is the best example to supporty your stance here.

    you can look at any other industry if you like ... the "street" rewards profit margins and growth ... if revenues aren't expanding - you need to cut costs and you know the executives aren't touching their bonuses and huge salaries ... so, guess what ... job cuts are the first thing they do ...

    of course. not sure what your point is.

    not trying to be an a-hole, but I'm curious. why are canadiens so obsessed with american politics?? I'd be willing to guess that on average, canadiens know just as much, if not more about US politics than most average americans.
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,156
    Can Ryan run for congress while also being a VP candidate?
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  • fifefife Posts: 3,327
    The Fixer wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    In the case of HD, I'm fine with them cutting jobs if they're the union variety :D

    Not saying my statement correlates 100% of the time...but I don't think the auto industry is the best example to supporty your stance here.

    you can look at any other industry if you like ... the "street" rewards profit margins and growth ... if revenues aren't expanding - you need to cut costs and you know the executives aren't touching their bonuses and huge salaries ... so, guess what ... job cuts are the first thing they do ...

    of course. not sure what your point is.

    not trying to be an a-hole, but I'm curious. why are canadiens so obsessed with american politics?? I'd be willing to guess that on average, canadiens know just as much, if not more about US politics than most average americans.

    I would not say we are obsessed with American politics but I would say that yes we do know alot about it cause we understand that politics in America do affect Canadians. we are your largest trading partner, we also give america most of the oil that the usa gets. your policies do affect us.

    as for knowing more then most average americans that is quite sad.
  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    Jason P wrote:
    Can Ryan run for congress while also being a VP candidate?

    Yes, Wisconsin allows a person to be on the presidential ticket while simultaneously running for Congress.
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    Really? You're going to fix that bridge the school bus drives across? And. And come fix the potholes on my road please.
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