Romney to pick Paul Ryan for VP

Johnny Abruzzo

Paul Ryan is the most extreme (in either direction - left or right) VP candidate since 1900. See chart in this article.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/11/a-risky-rationale-behind-romneys-choice-of-ryan/

There is simply no refuting the argument that Paul Ryan has done everything within his power to oppress the GL community. Facts are facts. In all that silly arguing, nobody posted anything to the contrary. This man is a dangerous extremist. And his viewpoints are not nuanced. He has laid it out there for all to see (which is admirable in a way, especially compared to his running mate :? ).

ComeToTX

Hypocrite:

"Mitt Romney requested "several" years of tax returns from his potential running mates, a senior adviser to the candidate said Saturday, suggesting that those considered for the ticket may have been required to reveal more financial documents than the candidate himself."

cincybearcat

ComeToTX wrote:

Hypocrite:

"Mitt Romney requested "several" years of tax returns from his potential running mates, a senior adviser to the candidate said Saturday, suggesting that those considered for the ticket may have been required to reveal more financial documents than the candidate himself."

So, he's a hypocrite because this may have happend and it MAY mean they would be required to reveal more? Seems a little presumptions. But then again, this is what politics in general has become. And obama is the new leader of this absurdity.

cincybearcat

What I continue to find frustrating is that it seems that almost any politician that is actually for making tough decisions about spending, always skews those cuts too far to one side of the aisle and is usually against personal liberties of all citizens.

I guess since I will never have the right candidate all on one, I'm going to try and balance my voting so I get it all from different candidates (pres & congress). It might be the only way to try and get balance, though I may also get a government that accomplishes nothing!

ComeToTX

cincybearcat wrote:

ComeToTX wrote:

Hypocrite:

"Mitt Romney requested "several" years of tax returns from his potential running mates, a senior adviser to the candidate said Saturday, suggesting that those considered for the ticket may have been required to reveal more financial documents than the candidate himself."

So, he's a hypocrite because this may have happend and it MAY mean they would be required to reveal more? Seems a little presumptions. But then again, this is what politics in general has become. And obama is the new leader of this absurdity.

That's one reason. His health care policy is another. The fact that he rails against outsourcing while making a fortune doing it is another.

markin ball

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Paul Ryan is the most extreme (in either direction - left or right) VP candidate since 1900. See chart in this article.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/11/a-risky-rationale-behind-romneys-choice-of-ryan/

There is simply no refuting the argument that Paul Ryan has done everything within his power to oppress the GL community. Facts are facts. In all that silly arguing, nobody posted anything to the contrary. This man is a dangerous extremist. And his viewpoints are not nuanced. He has laid it out there for all to see (which is admirable in a way, especially compared to his running mate :? ).

to

Speaking of which...is anyone else's gaydar picking up on Mr. Ryan?

pjl44

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

plus he came up with the controversial ryan budget that has pissed off a lot of people and can't seem to pass...

this is a shameless play to appease the teapartiers. the former governor of mass has gone way right with this pick....let's see how it works.

let's get it on!!

:corn:

We're waist deep in a recession and it's getting worse by the month. "Let's get it on?" This isn't the Super Bowl. Our political discourse fucking sucks.

RW81233

markin ball wrote:

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Paul Ryan is the most extreme (in either direction - left or right) VP candidate since 1900. See chart in this article.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/11/a-risky-rationale-behind-romneys-choice-of-ryan/

There is simply no refuting the argument that Paul Ryan has done everything within his power to oppress the GL community. Facts are facts. In all that silly arguing, nobody posted anything to the contrary. This man is a dangerous extremist. And his viewpoints are not nuanced. He has laid it out there for all to see (which is admirable in a way, especially compared to his running mate :? ).

to

Speaking of which...is anyone else's gaydar picking up on Mr. Ryan?

ummm..."sleeps at work" while his wife and children are at home? Yes...maybe he could be the push to homesexual acceptance across the two parties?

ComeToTX

RW81233 wrote:

markin ball wrote:

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Paul Ryan is the most extreme (in either direction - left or right) VP candidate since 1900. See chart in this article.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/11/a-risky-rationale-behind-romneys-choice-of-ryan/

There is simply no refuting the argument that Paul Ryan has done everything within his power to oppress the GL community. Facts are facts. In all that silly arguing, nobody posted anything to the contrary. This man is a dangerous extremist. And his viewpoints are not nuanced. He has laid it out there for all to see (which is admirable in a way, especially compared to his running mate :? ).

to

Speaking of which...is anyone else's gaydar picking up on Mr. Ryan?

ummm..."sleeps at work" while his wife and children are at home? Yes...maybe he could be the push to homesexual acceptance across the two parties?

Yep. It's always the ones that yell the loudest that end up in a motel room with a male stripper.

Prince Of Dorkness

And my Tumblr page gets another post...

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brianlux

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

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norm

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

And my Tumblr page gets another post...

http://aggravatedjasun.tumblr.com/post/29268852039

reblogged!

PJ_Soul

DS1119 wrote:

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

Doesn't everyone take what they can?

Honestly... No. They don't. Not like that.

We can debate the two-faced "for me, not for thee" attitude of Ayn Rand in another thread, maybe, but while I'm not surprised at someone whose whole mantra was "greed is good, fuck you" taking what they can get while unloading on others who do the same, there are many people who have done a lot of work to help others in their lives when they could have spent that time helping themselves.

When PJ tickets go on sale...you can have them or I can have them. No in between...just you or me. Please don't tell me you will defer those tickets to me. :fp: Society is the way it is. Take care of yourself, family, then friends. Just the way it is.

:? :? That's how some people in society are. But there are also people who do things that are meant of be solely for the greater good and do so at a cost or sacrifice. I hope you realize that and were just overstating your case!

PJ_Soul

DS1119 wrote:

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

At least this a fair and unbiased source. :fp: Shall we dig up some other fair and unbiased sources talking about the other side then too?

No. We can't. If you're going to say that a glbt news magazine isn't reliable when talking about glbt issues, then no Christians can be considered trustworthy when talking about religious freedoms and the wall street journal isn't allowed to be considered a reliable source when taking about money.

And what "other side" did you want? Someone to talk about how great it is that he voted to ban glbt adoption or someone to say he didn't REALLY vote to keep DADT.

The article linked there is just a list of facts. How he voted. That isn't an opinion piece. So "biased" and "balanced" don't apply. Unless there's a fact you think they have wrong.

Seriosuly? :fp: SO quoting an article from an "alernative website" is unbiased? Certainly you can't be serious. That's like me quoting an article from a Red Sox website assuming they would be unbiased about how good the New York Yankees are!

Geez, I hope you don't rely solely on mainstream news sites for your info - they can be the most biased of all. If anyone wants to be try well informed, alternate news sources are really important! Just because it's not on CNN or MSNBC or fox or whatever doesn't mean it's automatically untrue. Ryan's extensive history on LGBT related votes is well documented. The Advocate is, in this case, an expert source on the topic. Did I read you compare the advocate to neo-nazi propaganda???? :fp: The Advocate does of course have a platform, but they also know the importance of fact so that they don't degrade themselves as a source of correct and intelligent information so as to not compromise their position.

pjl44

Why do I see a picture of Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney when I go to Barack Obama's website? At what point are we finally going to wake up and realize we're suckers?

http://www.barackobama.com/romney/ryan/splash/?

gimmesometruth27

pjl44 wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

plus he came up with the controversial ryan budget that has pissed off a lot of people and can't seem to pass...

this is a shameless play to appease the teapartiers. the former governor of mass has gone way right with this pick....let's see how it works.

let's get it on!!

:corn:

We're waist deep in a recession and it's getting worse by the month. "Let's get it on?" This isn't the Super Bowl. Our political discourse fucking sucks.

what are you talking about? this election is a clear choice of which direction the people want the country to go. romney has gone waaay right with this pick. he could have chosen a moderate but he didn't. the battle lines are drawn, we know who is on both tickets now, and we know who either side is pandering to. so yeah. let's duke it out and let the people decide.

there is so much on this ryan guy that obama can make an issue of that i think that romney just sunk his own ship.

gimmesometruth27

:fp: :fp:

romney now sees ryan's budget as problematic...

come on mitt, you picked the guy with the budget, now own it!!

Mitt Romney: Paul Ryan Budget Is Not His, Candidate 'Putting Together His Own'


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/1 ... 67765.html

Within minutes of tapping Paul Ryan as his vice presidential nominee, presumptive Republican nominee Mitt Romney was distancing himself from the congressman's controversial budget, which includes steep cuts to government programs and changing Medicare into a voucher-like program.

The Romney campaign sent out talking points on Saturday that made the case that he was his own man on matters of Medicare and Social Security and that he wouldn't be tied to a document he insisted he'd sign into law and once called "marvelous."

The main talking points are below:

Questions and Answers About The Romney/Ryan Ticket:
1) Does this mean Mitt Romney is adopting the Paul Ryan plan?

· Gov. Romney applauds Paul Ryan for going in the right direction with his budget, and as president he will be putting together his own plan for cutting the deficit and putting the budget on a path to balance.

· Romney's administration will go through the budget line by line and ask two questions: Can we afford it? And, if not, should we borrow money from China to pay for it?

· Mitt Romney will start with the easiest cut of all: Obamacare, a trillion-dollar entitlement we don't want and can't afford.

· Mitt Romney also laid out commonsense reforms that will make good on our promises to today's seniors and save Social Security and Medicare for future generations.

2) Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan have different views on some policy areas -- like Medicare spending, entitlement reform, labor, etc. -- do you think those differences are going to hurt or help?

· Of course they aren't going to have the same view on every issue. But they both share the view that this election is a choice about two fundamentally different paths for this country. President Obama has taken America down a path of debt and decline. Romney and Ryan believe in a path for America that leads to more jobs, less debt and smaller government. So, while you might find an issue or two where they might not agree, they are in complete agreement on the direction that they want to lead America


Distancing himself from the Ryan budget may be an act of political necessity for Romney, as the proposals -- mainly those for entitlement programs -- have proven unpopular in various congressional district races and public opinion polls.

But it won't be easy, as Romney is on record praising the Ryan budget on multiple occasions.

"I think it'd be marvelous if the Senate were to pick up Paul Ryan's budget and to adopt it and pass it along to the president," he said this March.

Elsewhere, he added: "I spent a good deal of time with Congressman Ryan. When his plan came out, I applauded it as an important step," he said. "We're going to have to make changes like the ones Paul Ryan proposed."

In a Fox News Sunday interview in December 2011, meanwhile, Romney was asked about the Ryan budget as if it were his own plan and responded by arguing the merits of Ryan's approach.

And as pointed out by the Obama campaign, Romney said in an interview with a Milwaukee radio station in March 2012 that he and Ryan had been working "over the last several months" in collaboration on plans "for a tax policy and spending, as well as Medicare reform." Ryan's "proposals and the ones I’ve outlined in my campaign are very much on the same page," Romney added.

Ryan, for his part, seemed to agree, telling CBS in March that Romney would enact the major parts of his budget as president.

"I'm not expecting everybody to enact every little piece of this," Ryan said. "But, yes, he -- and the other candidates running for president -- have embraced these kinds of reforms because we know it's the best way to save and strengthen the Medicare guarantee, save Medicaid."

Newch91

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

:fp: :fp:

romney now sees ryan's budget as problematic...

come on mitt, you picked the guy with the budget, now own it!!

Mitt Romney: Paul Ryan Budget Is Not His, Candidate 'Putting Together His Own'


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/1 ... 67765.html

Within minutes of tapping Paul Ryan as his vice presidential nominee, presumptive Republican nominee Mitt Romney was distancing himself from the congressman's controversial budget, which includes steep cuts to government programs and changing Medicare into a voucher-like program.

The Romney campaign sent out talking points on Saturday that made the case that he was his own man on matters of Medicare and Social Security and that he wouldn't be tied to a document he insisted he'd sign into law and once called "marvelous."

The main talking points are below:

Questions and Answers About The Romney/Ryan Ticket:
1) Does this mean Mitt Romney is adopting the Paul Ryan plan?

· Gov. Romney applauds Paul Ryan for going in the right direction with his budget, and as president he will be putting together his own plan for cutting the deficit and putting the budget on a path to balance.

· Romney's administration will go through the budget line by line and ask two questions: Can we afford it? And, if not, should we borrow money from China to pay for it?

· Mitt Romney will start with the easiest cut of all: Obamacare, a trillion-dollar entitlement we don't want and can't afford.

· Mitt Romney also laid out commonsense reforms that will make good on our promises to today's seniors and save Social Security and Medicare for future generations.

2) Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan have different views on some policy areas -- like Medicare spending, entitlement reform, labor, etc. -- do you think those differences are going to hurt or help?

· Of course they aren't going to have the same view on every issue. But they both share the view that this election is a choice about two fundamentally different paths for this country. President Obama has taken America down a path of debt and decline. Romney and Ryan believe in a path for America that leads to more jobs, less debt and smaller government. So, while you might find an issue or two where they might not agree, they are in complete agreement on the direction that they want to lead America


Distancing himself from the Ryan budget may be an act of political necessity for Romney, as the proposals -- mainly those for entitlement programs -- have proven unpopular in various congressional district races and public opinion polls.

But it won't be easy, as Romney is on record praising the Ryan budget on multiple occasions.

"I think it'd be marvelous if the Senate were to pick up Paul Ryan's budget and to adopt it and pass it along to the president," he said this March.

Elsewhere, he added: "I spent a good deal of time with Congressman Ryan. When his plan came out, I applauded it as an important step," he said. "We're going to have to make changes like the ones Paul Ryan proposed."

In a Fox News Sunday interview in December 2011, meanwhile, Romney was asked about the Ryan budget as if it were his own plan and responded by arguing the merits of Ryan's approach.

And as pointed out by the Obama campaign, Romney said in an interview with a Milwaukee radio station in March 2012 that he and Ryan had been working "over the last several months" in collaboration on plans "for a tax policy and spending, as well as Medicare reform." Ryan's "proposals and the ones I’ve outlined in my campaign are very much on the same page," Romney added.

Ryan, for his part, seemed to agree, telling CBS in March that Romney would enact the major parts of his budget as president.

"I'm not expecting everybody to enact every little piece of this," Ryan said. "But, yes, he -- and the other candidates running for president -- have embraced these kinds of reforms because we know it's the best way to save and strengthen the Medicare guarantee, save Medicaid."

:fp: It's so marvelous it's problematic. He never ceases to amaze me by what he says. Especially this, from the article:

"I think it'd be marvelous if the Senate were to pick up Paul Ryan's budget and to adopt it and pass it along to the president," he said this March.

Did he really think, if it passed, that Obama would sign it?

comebackgirl

PJ_Soul wrote:

inlet13 wrote:

Admittedly, I know little about Paul Ryan, but today I heard he sleeps in his congressional office. If that's true, that part .... there, that, that's pretty cool.

Otherwise, I don't know. Will be interesting. I don't see this swaying too many people.

I think that makes him sound kind of crazy and obsessive. He has a family with kids... why don't they live in Washington so he can live at least a little bit like a normal human being?? Seems odd to me. Unless he's divorced and I missed that part. If so, well, it's still weird to sleep in your office as it doesn't lend to someone being well-rounded or anything, but it's better than him keeping his family in another state for years on end while he crashes in his desk.

I had a co-worker who slept in his office. He'd send us rambling emails at 3am and be all rumpled in the same clothes the following morning. He was crazy, so much so that another worker got a restraining order against him and he's no longer allowed to have student contact. He was union and they couldn't fire him, so they promoted him instead

Paul Ryan's record on social issues, particularly those that impact women and the lgbt community is alarming to me. Those are deal breakers for me. He wants to protect the rights that come from god and nature...ummmm whose god? And what about separation of church and state?

Zoso

comebackgirl wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

inlet13 wrote:

Admittedly, I know little about Paul Ryan, but today I heard he sleeps in his congressional office. If that's true, that part .... there, that, that's pretty cool.

Otherwise, I don't know. Will be interesting. I don't see this swaying too many people.

I think that makes him sound kind of crazy and obsessive. He has a family with kids... why don't they live in Washington so he can live at least a little bit like a normal human being?? Seems odd to me. Unless he's divorced and I missed that part. If so, well, it's still weird to sleep in your office as it doesn't lend to someone being well-rounded or anything, but it's better than him keeping his family in another state for years on end while he crashes in his desk.

I had a co-worker who slept in his office. He'd send us rambling emails at 3am and be all rumpled in the same clothes the following morning. He was crazy, so much so that another worker got a restraining order against him and he's no longer allowed to have student contact. He was union and they couldn't fire him, so they promoted him instead

Paul Ryan's record on social issues, particularly those that impact women and the lgbt community is alarming to me. Those are deal breakers for me. He wants to protect the rights that come from god and nature...ummmm whose god? And what about separation of church and state?

imagine sarah palin with a penis.. that is paul ryan. he is very much more extreme then romney is.. really just backs the ideology of the tea party.. would be terrible for middle america if this team won.