Seven-year-old girl shot dead in Chicago

pandora

PJ_Soul wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

pandora wrote:

The debate that guns are the root cause to violence when people are the root
cause is the debate of which I speak. :fp: The debate that laws will change anything
when a neighborhood that lives by the gun, legal or illegal.

so then by that logic we should legalize all drugs since the drugs aren't the problem, the users are.

Pandora and I are not on the same page at all, but I totally think drugs should be legalized.

I don't happen to think a thirteen old user is the problem, the hard drug available is.
So therefore some hard drug users are not the problem.
I believe adult hard drug users are a problem, yes, big time ...
for the safety of others, the quality of life within our society
and counter to a good example for our future generations of children.

Legalizing all hard drugs is ridiculous
and comparing that to gun ownership even more so...
guess we should have expected that though :fp:
And no we are not on the same page we are good books apart PJ_Soul

PJ_Soul

pandora wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

so then by that logic we should legalize all drugs since the drugs aren't the problem, the users are.

Pandora and I are not on the same page at all, but I totally think drugs should be legalized.

I don't happen to think a thirteen old user is the problem, the hard drug available is.
So therefore some hard drug users are not the problem.
I believe adult hard drug users are a problem, yes, big time ...
for the safety of others, the quality of life within our society
and counter to a good example for our future generations of children.

Legalizing all hard drugs is ridiculous
and comparing that to gun ownership even more so...
guess we should have expected that though :fp:
And no we are not on the same page we are good books apart PJ_Soul

:fp: You aren't even paying attention anymore.
1) I didn't compare gun ownership and drugs - in fact, I made a point of saying they were totally different.
2) Duh, with drug legalization comes control of said drugs. It would be way harder for kids to get them, people would be better equipped to deal with the situations where they did somehow, and a good deal of all those billions of dollars per year of tax money would almost certainly go towards drug programs (that would likely be a lawful requirement of legalization).
4) Hard drugs are not going anywhere. That they are illegal make them WAY more dangerous to both users and society as a whole than they would be if they were legal and regulated, plus it would clear out the prisons and completely save the economy.
3) You use of italics never helps your point, FYI.

pandora

PJ_Soul wrote:

I dunno. I don't proclaim to know much about it. But it seems to work in the UK fairly well. They have very little gun crime, and very few guns.
... It obviously goes deeper than that though. I mean, Canada has more guns per capita than the US, but there is very little gun crime per capita here. Again, legalize drugs and it would go way way way down immediately.

Why do Canadian edited :? citizens continue to compare themselves and their country to the US?

Just cause our countries border we are worlds apart
with much different history, cities, immigrants, huge population difference,
laws, problems etc etc.

I sometimes see similar stuff in families between siblings, at least with that
there is some connection.

Personally, I see little connection with Canada, not that I did not enjoy my visit,
it felt like a foreign country.
Actually when I go to the local store, theatre, drive down the street
I feel a much greater connection to Mexico. This fact alone brings discourse to many
in our country.

puremagic

Excerpt from the original post – embedded article
“There’s no way of knowing how many guns are in this area,” Ahearn said, adding all seized guns are tracked back to their source and their last legal owner.

Straw purchases, in which someone buys guns legally then resells them to gang members, are a big problem, Ahearn said..

People -

This is the same goddamn gun law policy that was initiated by Alberto Gonzales and used by Eric Holder in the whole continuing Mexico fiasco –albeit- for different reasons.

Somehow we have to believe, it’s the fault of the child for being outside selling lemonade, somehow it’s the fault of the parent, somehow it’s the fault of them living in a crime infested neighborhood, and, somehow it’s the fault of the City – yet, we can’t seem face the reality of a gun law policy that favors gun runners and the consequences of cheap access to these weapons as contributing to the problem for fear the NRA may revoke your membership. So don’t expect anyone to put up a $1 million dollar reward for a child killed under the same godforsaken gun law policies that killed a border patrol officer.

PJ_Soul

pandora wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

I dunno. I don't proclaim to know much about it. But it seems to work in the UK fairly well. They have very little gun crime, and very few guns.
... It obviously goes deeper than that though. I mean, Canada has more guns per capita than the US, but there is very little gun crime per capita here. Again, legalize drugs and it would go way way way down immediately.

Why do UK citizens continue to compare themselves and their country to the US?

Just cause our countries border we are worlds apart
with much different history, cities, immigrants, huge population difference,
laws, problems etc etc.

I sometimes see similar stuff in families between siblings, at least with that
there is some connection.

Personally, I see little connection with Canada, not that I did not enjoy my visit,
it felt like a foreign country.
Actually when I go to the local store, theatre, drive down the street
I feel a much greater connection to Mexico. This fact alone brings discourse to many
in our country.

:shock: What the f are you talking about???
I said that the issues in the US obviously go deeper than gun laws because the US has these issues while other countries (and with Canada being another country that actually has lots of guns and not particularly strict gun laws (although more strict that the US), but not the huge gun violence problems) do not. Meaning that the US has particular issues that other countries don't. Meaning that the US is different than those other countries. Umm... how in the world you took what I said and responded with that post is totally mystifying to me. It makes no sense whatsoever, and apparently it's opposite day for you, where you are reading something, and then thinking it means the exact opposite of what it's actually saying.

Why are you talking about feeling a connection with Mexico?? And guess what, Canada probably felt like a foreign country to you because it's a foreign country. :fp: :fp: :fp:

pandora

PJ_Soul wrote:

pandora wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

Pandora and I are not on the same page at all, but I totally think drugs should be legalized.

I don't happen to think a thirteen old user is the problem, the hard drug available is.
So therefore some hard drug users are not the problem.
I believe adult hard drug users are a problem, yes, big time ...
for the safety of others, the quality of life within our society
and counter to a good example for our future generations of children.

Legalizing all hard drugs is ridiculous
and comparing that to gun ownership even more so...
guess we should have expected that though :fp:
And no we are not on the same page we are good books apart PJ_Soul

:fp: You aren't even paying attention anymore.
1) I didn't compare gun ownership and drugs - in fact, I made a point of saying they were totally different.
2) Duh, with drug legalization comes control of said drugs. It would be way harder for kids to get them, people would be better equipped to deal with the situations where they did somehow, and a good deal of all those billions of dollars per year of tax money would almost certainly go towards drug programs (that would likely be a lawful requirement of legalization).
4) Hard drugs are not going anywhere. That they are illegal make them WAY more dangerous to both users and society as a whole than they would be if they were legal and regulated, plus it would clear out the prisons and completely save the economy.
3) You use of italics never helps your point, FYI.

I will not change this thread to a legalize drugs thread which many may know I am totally against.
We can go debate in the other thread.

I was directing my comment to the other poster using the logic

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

so then by that logic we should legalize all drugs since the drugs aren't the problem, the users are.

and explained my opinion to that.

I was agreeing with you in my last sentence that one was for you :P

actually I've had a thing for italics, they look snazzy and reinforce one's point
in a gentle way a kinder gentler way perhaps some should try that.

Jason P

As murder rate climbs, Chicago mayor makes ‘values’ appeal

"We've got two gang-bangers, one standing next to a kid. Get away from that kid. Take your stuff away to the alley. Don't touch the children of the city of Chicago. Don't get near them. And it is about values. ... And I don't buy this case where people say they don't have values. They do have values. They have the wrong values. Don't come near the kids—don't touch them.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/murder-rate-climbs-chicago-mayor-makes-values-appeal-161727694.html

Do it Rahm. Begin the construction of Thunderdome!!! These gang-bangers need an outlet, that's all. :twisted:

81

Jason P wrote:

As murder rate climbs, Chicago mayor makes ‘values’ appeal

"We've got two gang-bangers, one standing next to a kid. Get away from that kid. Take your stuff away to the alley. Don't touch the children of the city of Chicago. Don't get near them. And it is about values. ... And I don't buy this case where people say they don't have values. They do have values. They have the wrong values. Don't come near the kids—don't touch them.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/murder-rate-climbs-chicago-mayor-makes-values-appeal-161727694.html

Do it Rahm. Begin the construction of Thunderdome!!! These gang-bangers need an outlet, that's all. :twisted:

i love the take it to the alley comment...

you could have said....act like men and duke it out....talk about it....think about it....nah....just go shoot each other in an alley

PJ_Soul

Jason P wrote:

As murder rate climbs, Chicago mayor makes ‘values’ appeal

"We've got two gang-bangers, one standing next to a kid. Get away from that kid. Take your stuff away to the alley. Don't touch the children of the city of Chicago. Don't get near them. And it is about values. ... And I don't buy this case where people say they don't have values. They do have values. They have the wrong values. Don't come near the kids—don't touch them.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/murder-rate-climbs-chicago-mayor-makes-values-appeal-161727694.html

Do it Rahm. Begin the construction of Thunderdome!!! These gang-bangers need an outlet, that's all. :twisted:

Wow! That is an amazing suggestion... just stay 100 feet away from all children and have at it in the alley ways! :fp: Well, that could definitely keep the kids safer, assuming they're not in any alleys. Not sure about the homeless or the cooks out back having a smoke, but the kids should be okay.

puremagic

81 wrote:

Jason P wrote:

As murder rate climbs, Chicago mayor makes ‘values’ appeal

"We've got two gang-bangers, one standing next to a kid. Get away from that kid. Take your stuff away to the alley. Don't touch the children of the city of Chicago. Don't get near them. And it is about values. ... And I don't buy this case where people say they don't have values. They do have values. They have the wrong values. Don't come near the kids—don't touch them.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/murder-rate-climbs-chicago-mayor-makes-values-appeal-161727694.html

Do it Rahm. Begin the construction of Thunderdome!!! These gang-bangers need an outlet, that's all. :twisted:

Think of it as his way of solving his homeless problem, too!!!


i love the take it to the alley comment...

you could have said....act like men and duke it out....talk about it....think about it....nah....just go shoot each other in an alley

Hugh Freaking Dillon

pandora wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

I dunno. I don't proclaim to know much about it. But it seems to work in the UK fairly well. They have very little gun crime, and very few guns.
... It obviously goes deeper than that though. I mean, Canada has more guns per capita than the US, but there is very little gun crime per capita here. Again, legalize drugs and it would go way way way down immediately.

Why do UK citizens continue to compare themselves and their country to the US?

Just cause our countries border we are worlds apart
with much different history, cities, immigrants, huge population difference,
laws, problems etc etc.

I sometimes see similar stuff in families between siblings, at least with that
there is some connection.

Personally, I see little connection with Canada, not that I did not enjoy my visit,
it felt like a foreign country.
Actually when I go to the local store, theatre, drive down the street
I feel a much greater connection to Mexico. This fact alone brings discourse to many
in our country.

1) last I checked, the UK and the US don't border each other
2) Canada IS a foreign country if you don't live there.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

pandora wrote:

Legalizing all hard drugs is ridiculous
and comparing that to gun ownership even more so...
guess we should have expected that though :fp:

personal comments: not ok.

and how is legalizing hard drugs and gun ownership not comparable? by and large, it uses the same philosophy: "if you are responsible, it won't hurt anyone". that's what you say about guns, and that's what the other thread is saying about drugs. so there is a correlation there. I find being pro one and anti the other to be hyporcitical, which was my point. I wasn't trying to make this thread part of the drug debate, I was merely pointing out the inconsistency in your argument.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

puremagic wrote:

Excerpt from the original post – embedded article
“There’s no way of knowing how many guns are in this area,” Ahearn said, adding all seized guns are tracked back to their source and their last legal owner.

Straw purchases, in which someone buys guns legally then resells them to gang members, are a big problem, Ahearn said..

People -

This is the same goddamn gun law policy that was initiated by Alberto Gonzales and used by Eric Holder in the whole continuing Mexico fiasco –albeit- for different reasons.

Somehow we have to believe, it’s the fault of the child for being outside selling lemonade, somehow it’s the fault of the parent, somehow it’s the fault of them living in a crime infested neighborhood, and, somehow it’s the fault of the City – yet, we can’t seem face the reality of a gun law policy that favors gun runners and the consequences of cheap access to these weapons as contributing to the problem for fear the NRA may revoke your membership. So don’t expect anyone to put up a $1 million dollar reward for a child killed under the same godforsaken gun law policies that killed a border patrol officer.

peacefrompaul

Jason P wrote:

As murder rate climbs, Chicago mayor makes ‘values’ appeal

"We've got two gang-bangers, one standing next to a kid. Get away from that kid. Take your stuff away to the alley. Don't touch the children of the city of Chicago. Don't get near them. And it is about values. ... And I don't buy this case where people say they don't have values. They do have values. They have the wrong values. Don't come near the kids—don't touch them.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/murder-rate-climbs-chicago-mayor-makes-values-appeal-161727694.html

Do it Rahm. Begin the construction of Thunderdome!!! These gang-bangers need an outlet, that's all. :twisted:

Talk is so cheap and it sounds like he does a lot of it.

satansbed

peacefrompaul wrote:

Jason P wrote:

As murder rate climbs, Chicago mayor makes ‘values’ appeal

"We've got two gang-bangers, one standing next to a kid. Get away from that kid. Take your stuff away to the alley. Don't touch the children of the city of Chicago. Don't get near them. And it is about values. ... And I don't buy this case where people say they don't have values. They do have values. They have the wrong values. Don't come near the kids—don't touch them.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/murder-rate-climbs-chicago-mayor-makes-values-appeal-161727694.html

Do it Rahm. Begin the construction of Thunderdome!!! These gang-bangers need an outlet, that's all. :twisted:

Talk is so cheap and it sounds like he does a lot of it.

They don't call it the windy city because there is alot of wind

81

peacefrompaul wrote:

Jason P wrote:

As murder rate climbs, Chicago mayor makes ‘values’ appeal

"We've got two gang-bangers, one standing next to a kid. Get away from that kid. Take your stuff away to the alley. Don't touch the children of the city of Chicago. Don't get near them. And it is about values. ... And I don't buy this case where people say they don't have values. They do have values. They have the wrong values. Don't come near the kids—don't touch them.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/murder-rate-climbs-chicago-mayor-makes-values-appeal-161727694.html

Do it Rahm. Begin the construction of Thunderdome!!! These gang-bangers need an outlet, that's all. :twisted:

Talk is so cheap and it sounds like he does a lot of it.

welcome to chicago politics

chadwick

im 200 miles from chicago... respectively.

the city north of me is a decent sized small city. maybe 50,000 including the surrounding smaller towns.
straight up gang bangers from chicago are moving in. in fact, they are led to my area with job promises & a cheaper cost of living for them & their families.

saw a car parked directly in the front of the enter doors at a walmart here a couple months back. the gentlemen in that car are not from around here originally i can tell ya that. and i will promise that they had to have a uzi 9mm or some other type of machine gun in that car.

i am not just some dumb ass country boy who picks his nose & ass all day for shits and giggles. those dudes were up to their asses in trouble.

i am told that road signs in or around chicago lead folks directly to my backyard in hopes of landing a job.

i am also told they get gang bangers in these small farm towns and they soon believe they are taking the fucking place over and they walk 4 or 5 men wide each w/ a pitbull or two on leashes blocking traffic

my brother says, "fuck em, run em over." i gotta say i agree with that. if they wanna block traffic and terrorize these little farming communities, fuck em, run em down. gang bangers wanna pull out their automatic heat, bring it. farmer john and his daughters been shootin guns a long fucking time and they got plenty of fire power and a lot of friends

we don't do gang bangers here in little town iowa

Kevinman

chadwick wrote:

im 200 miles from chicago... respectively.

the city north of me is a decent sized small city. maybe 50,000 including the surrounding smaller towns.
straight up gang bangers from chicago are moving in. in fact, they are led to my area with job promises & a cheaper cost of living for them & their families.

saw a car parked directly in the front of the enter doors at a walmart here a couple months back. the gentlemen in that car are not from around here originally i can tell ya that. and i will promise that they had to have a uzi 9mm or some other type of machine gun in that car.

i am not just some dumb ass country boy who picks his nose & ass all day for shits and giggles. those dudes were up to their asses in trouble.

i am told that road signs in or around chicago lead folks directly to my backyard in hopes of landing a job.

i am also told they get gang bangers in these small farm towns and they soon believe they are taking the fucking place over and they walk 4 or 5 men wide each w/ a pitbull or two on leashes blocking traffic

my brother says, "fuck em, run em over." i gotta say i agree with that. if they wanna block traffic and terrorize these little farming communities, fuck em, run em down. gang bangers wanna pull out their automatic heat, bring it. farmer john and his daughters been shootin guns a long fucking time and they got plenty of fire power and a lot of friends

we don't do gang bangers here in little town iowa

Are you being serious? Why do you believe they had a gun? If you really believe this, it sounds like you are the classic example of someone who sterotypes. If your theory was true, then every single person on my block must be packing heat. Gangbangers want nothing to do with Iowa, you should be happy to know. People moving out there to find a job, are doing just that, looking for a job. What may be happening is families moving out there with parents looking for a job, that may have a kid or kids in a gang? Sorry, but your post comes off as ignorant to me. Not every person from the bad parts of the city is in a gang, or up to no good, or looking for trouble. I don't live in the best part of Chicago, I'm white and the minority, by far, in my neighborhood, and I can tell you that most of the people in my neighborhood are nice people. Try saying hello, who knows, you may make a new friend.

Godfather.

chadwick wrote:

im 200 miles from chicago... respectively.

the city north of me is a decent sized small city. maybe 50,000 including the surrounding smaller towns.
straight up gang bangers from chicago are moving in. in fact, they are led to my area with job promises & a cheaper cost of living for them & their families.

saw a car parked directly in the front of the enter doors at a walmart here a couple months back. the gentlemen in that car are not from around here originally i can tell ya that. and i will promise that they had to have a uzi 9mm or some other type of machine gun in that car.

i am not just some dumb ass country boy who picks his nose & ass all day for shits and giggles. those dudes were up to their asses in trouble.

i am told that road signs in or around chicago lead folks directly to my backyard in hopes of landing a job.

i am also told they get gang bangers in these small farm towns and they soon believe they are taking the fucking place over and they walk 4 or 5 men wide each w/ a pitbull or two on leashes blocking traffic

my brother says, "fuck em, run em over." i gotta say i agree with that. if they wanna block traffic and terrorize these little farming communities, fuck em, run em down. gang bangers wanna pull out their automatic heat, bring it. farmer john and his daughters been shootin guns a long fucking time and they got plenty of fire power and a lot of friends

we don't do gang bangers here in little town iowa

ha ha ha we aint much different it seems Chad, love yer post ! and agree.


Godfather.

pandora

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

1) last I checked, the UK and the US don't border each other
2) Canada IS a foreign country if you don't live there.

I meant CANADA, of course, but thanks for taking the time to show my mistake
kind to point that out... I have since edited....
going back into work is messing with my brain a bit, who knew
office life was so stressful!
Yes and that was the point to my post, but why has no one answered?...
Only pointed out the obvious which was my point...
the countries are foreign to each other in many ways.

Crime as the US has is based on many factors,
it is not based on the amount of responsible gun ownership nor gun laws in place.