oil canada vs' the great bear rainforest

lukin2006

And we all know if it gets built...in time there will be a spill and the spill will be far worse than the Valdez...

lukin2006

The only real solution is the world needs to use way less oil...no demand for oil...the tar sands would slow down greatly...imo.

whatever happened a few years ago when gas sky rocketed in price...I read about all the electric vehicles that would be available in years to come...was it just some sick joke.

i am happy to say that Windsor is purchasing 10 electric buses. a start.

polaris_x

lukin2006 wrote:

The only real solution is the world needs to use way less oil...no demand for oil...the tar sands would slow down greatly...imo.

whatever happened a few years ago when gas sky rocketed in price...I read about all the electric vehicles that would be available in years to come...was it just some sick joke.

i am happy to say that Windsor is purchasing 10 electric buses. a start.

EV's have been around for a while ...

like everything else ... ignorance is the primary culprit here ...

lukin2006

polaris_x wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

The only real solution is the world needs to use way less oil...no demand for oil...the tar sands would slow down greatly...imo.

whatever happened a few years ago when gas sky rocketed in price...I read about all the electric vehicles that would be available in years to come...was it just some sick joke.

i am happy to say that Windsor is purchasing 10 electric buses. a start.

EV's have been around for a while ...

like everything else ... ignorance is the primary culprit here ...

yes I realize they've been around it's just that without better infrastructure and recharging stations they'll be nothing more than an about town car. The hybrid's an option and more models of those are appearing. I would like to see all electric vehicles and infrastructure for them...but with this current PM that will not happen.

chadwick

candleofthought26 wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

A documentary on great bear rainforest.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3bKmz4od3g&feature=plcp

Thanks so much for posting this. Just watched it, its really eye-opening.
To go ahead with this proposal would be a real travesty indeed. I can't even believe it's being considered. There is no limit on greed.

as posted on the very first post in this exact thread. :?

candleofthought26

chadwick wrote:

candleofthought26 wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

A documentary on great bear rainforest.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3bKmz4od3g&feature=plcp

Thanks so much for posting this. Just watched it, its really eye-opening.
To go ahead with this proposal would be a real travesty indeed. I can't even believe it's being considered. There is no limit on greed.

as posted on the very first post in this exact thread. :?

Sorry my friend - when I read your original post I was so engaged with the text, I forgot to check out the link. In any case, thanks again for posting.

lukin2006

chadwick wrote:

candleofthought26 wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

A documentary on great bear rainforest.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3bKmz4od3g&feature=plcp

Thanks so much for posting this. Just watched it, its really eye-opening.
To go ahead with this proposal would be a real travesty indeed. I can't even believe it's being considered. There is no limit on greed.

as posted on the very first post in this exact thread. :?

Sorry chadwick...didn't realize I was reposting your video. We can all agree if this pipeline goes ahead their bound to be a disaster...sad, very sad.

polaris_x

http://ca.finance.yahoo.com/blogs/insig ... 00620.html

Lush launching campaign

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Lush Cosmetics attacks oilsands with controversial campaign
By Noel Hulsman | Insight – Wed, 30 May, 2012 8:54 AM EDT

Lush Cosmetics wants Canadian oilsands operators to clean up their act. The British-based soap and shampoo company announced this week plans to turn their 44 Canadian stores into polling stations to encourage customers to vote against Enbridge's oil shipping proposal.

Enbridge's plans calls for bitumen extracted from the oilsands to be piped across Northern B.C. before being loaded on to supertankers for refining in California and Asia. The $5.5-billion project is set to begin operations in 2017, unless the federal government withholds approval.

Recognizing that the Harper government supports oilsands development, Lush is now prompting customers to join Aboriginal and environmental groups in trying to stop the project.

For Lush, courting controversy on behalf of ethical issues is nothing new.Two years ago, it led a North America-wide initiative against the oilsands, using all of its Canadian and U.S. stores to raise awareness of the environmental risks involved. And last year, it turned one of its London, England stores into a stage to demonstrate the cruelties of animal testing in cosmetic research. A 24-year-old performance artist subjected herself to injections, shaving and force-feeding, as a part of 10-hour store window demonstration.

Last year, the company upped the ante wading into even more polemic waters by backing OneWorld's Freedom for Palestine efforts, resulting in a boycott of its products in Israel.

In adopting such public stands on loaded topics, the privately-owned chain is following in the well-established footsteps of The Body Shop, the British firm that turned its support for animal rights and environmental issues into huge marketing gains. The similarities here are no accident. Lush's founders got their start in the 1970s by making for cosmetics for The Body Shop.

As with The Body Shop, Lush's controversial stances invariably lead to headlines, and all of the free (and hugely valuable) publicity that comes with them. And whether the positions pursued reflect the owners' true political beliefs, or a cold calculation of their target market's values, there is no questioning the company's play for integrity and authenticity.

Compare Lush's messaging with the Buick's latest campaign discussed here yesterday where we're meant to believe that the Rolls Royce and Lamborghini-owning Shaquille O'Neal actually favours a mid-range domestic hybrid. That's farcical and everyone knows it.

For Lush, the marketing math around the oilsands surely plays to its advantage. While Enbridge maintains that the pipeline will lead to thousands of new jobs in local communities from Fort McMurray to Kitimat, that's not where Lush's customers live. Nine of the company's 10 B.C. stores are in the southern parts of the province, where opposition to the pipeline is by far the strongest. Only two of its outlets are in Calgary, the city seen as the most generally in support of the oil industry.

Perhaps taking a page from Lush, Enbridge is now fighting back. On Tuesday it launched an radio, print and digital advertising campaign, extolling the economic benefits and the environmental safety of its efforts.

Drowned Out

This isn't all that far from the proposed super tanker route. How they can even consider risking this area to feed China with oil is beyond me. Sickening.


Killer Whales Chase Dolphins

Incredible footage showing white-sided dolphins being chased by killer whales within Hyacinthe Bay in British Colombia, Canada.

http://www.edmontonsun.com/videos/1706413984001

Jason P

Attached is a photo essay on the tar sands mining process. It is pretty interesting to see the scale of these operations and what it takes.

http://www.businessinsider.com/canadian-oil-sands-flyover-2012-5#to-get-a-look-at-the-oil-sand-mines-we-rented-this-cessna-172-which-the-pilot-was-allowed-to-bring-down-to-1000-feet--from-there-through-the-open-window-and-with-a-long-lens-we-were-able-to-see-what-really-goes-on-in-one-of-the-most-controversial-places-on-the-planet-1

polaris_x

Jason P wrote:

Attached is a photo essay on the tar sands mining process. It is pretty interesting to see the scale of these operations and what it takes.

http://www.businessinsider.com/canadian-oil-sands-flyover-2012-5#to-get-a-look-at-the-oil-sand-mines-we-rented-this-cessna-172-which-the-pilot-was-allowed-to-bring-down-to-1000-feet--from-there-through-the-open-window-and-with-a-long-lens-we-were-able-to-see-what-really-goes-on-in-one-of-the-most-controversial-places-on-the-planet-1

would have been cool if the author provided some facts along with the pictures ... i mean showing a fancy indoor waterslide has absolutely no relevance to this debate ... yeah, those who are living in ft. mcmurray are making a boat load of money and the oil companies are building nice community centres ... that doesn't change the fact that extracting oil from the tar sands requires 3 x the resources of conventional crude ...

Jason P

polaris_x wrote:

would have been cool if the author provided some facts along with the pictures ... i mean showing a fancy indoor waterslide has absolutely no relevance to this debate ... yeah, those who are living in ft. mcmurray are making a boat load of money and the oil companies are building nice community centres ... that doesn't change the fact that extracting oil from the tar sands requires 3 x the resources of conventional crude ...

It was more of a "How it's Made" photo essay vs. an environmental debate. But it does give you a sense of the overall scale of such a project. I had no idea it took 2.5 tons of soil to get a single barrel of oil.

polaris_x

Jason P wrote:

It was more of a "How it's Made" photo essay vs. an environmental debate. But it does give you a sense of the overall scale of such a project. I had no idea it took 2.5 tons of soil to get a single barrel of oil.

uhhh ... then why the pictures of the community centre and waterslides?

Jason P

polaris_x wrote:

Jason P wrote:

It was more of a "How it's Made" photo essay vs. an environmental debate. But it does give you a sense of the overall scale of such a project. I had no idea it took 2.5 tons of soil to get a single barrel of oil.

uhhh ... then why the pictures of the community centre and waterslides?

It's two pictures out of 76. :fp:

chadwick

Jason P wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

would have been cool if the author provided some facts along with the pictures ... i mean showing a fancy indoor waterslide has absolutely no relevance to this debate ... yeah, those who are living in ft. mcmurray are making a boat load of money and the oil companies are building nice community centres ... that doesn't change the fact that extracting oil from the tar sands requires 3 x the resources of conventional crude ...

It was more of a "How it's Made" photo essay vs. an environmental debate. But it does give you a sense of the overall scale of such a project. I had no idea it took 2.5 tons of soil to get a single barrel of oil.

i'm fucking sick to my stomach!
i swear to god this frickin planet is jammed the fuck up. humans are the worst

keep guns away from me and keep me away from these greedy oil fucks. it could be one hell of a party

polaris_x

Jason P wrote:

It's two pictures out of 76. :fp:

uhhh ... there were pictures of houses and other buildings as well ... not related to the production ...

Jason P

polaris_x wrote:

Jason P wrote:

It's two pictures out of 76. :fp:

uhhh ... there were pictures of houses and other buildings as well ... not related to the production ...

A picture of the airplane too. Are we up to five out of 76 now?

polaris_x

Jason P wrote:

A picture of the airplane too. Are we up to five out of 76 now?

wasn't there one of the pilot's house too? ... hahaha ... how many do i gotta get to before i win a prize?

Jason P

polaris_x wrote:

Jason P wrote:

A picture of the airplane too. Are we up to five out of 76 now?

wasn't there one of the pilot's house too? ... hahaha ... how many do i gotta get to before i win a prize?

You've already won.

Here is your prize ... pictures of Fort McMurray! The town near the oilfields!!! Lots of pictures of houses, buildings, water slides and the such. :P

http://www.businessinsider.com/we-visited-the-wild-and-dangerous-town-at-the-heart-of-canadas-oil-sands-2012-8#fort-mcmurray-is-about-where-the-green-dot-is-and-the-most-active-oil-sand-mines-are-just-to-the-north-though-the-sands-range-everywhere-within-the-red-circle-1

Fun Fact: Cocaine is the bee's knees in a town where workers get seven days off and need drugs to pass quickly through there system.

:ugeek:

oceaninmyeyes

I think this thread needs a bump. I realize many of the original posters on this thread are Canadian, and won't be able to help with this. But if you are American, please consider helping out. I read on my FB feed about Colorado Senator Mark Udall pushing for the extension of the Wind Energy PTC (Production Tax Credit). He has pledged to stand up and talk about it everyday until it is passed in the Senate. It will help our economy and our environment. You can go here to sign his petition: http://www.markudall.senate.gov/?p=form&id=64

And that got me to thinking about Eddie Vedder talking to the audience at the solo show in Albuquerque about the importance of the huge Ogallala aquifer, and the proposed pipeline running through it. This thread is the only place I have found it discussed on the boards. Water for more than 2 million Americans is at risk. From todays Houston Press: "Because it is much thicker than conventional sweet crude, the diluted bitumen will move through the pipeline at pressures of up to 1,300 pounds per square inch and temperatures as high as 150 degrees. Opponents, who are not solely a bunch of young enviros but include a number of dyed-in-the-wool conservative East Texans, say a major spill is inevitable. . . . For a number of aging, tiny and poor East Texas towns, the issue hits much closer to home. If the pipeline busts, what's going to happen to the wells they drink from and the rivers they fish?" http://www.houstonpress.com/2013-01-03/ ... ipeline/6/

Some web sites say that the battle is over. That Pres. Obama will not sign a bill that allows the pipeline into law. But today's article makes it clear that the fight is not over. As individuals, we need to educate ourselves, and then talk about it and try to educate our fellow citizens about it. But, of course, our voices together can do a little more. This website gives some talking points and ways to contact your US Representatives to encourage them to oppose this pipeline. If you care about the environment, and the drinking water of more than 2 million Americans, I urge you to look at this and see if together we can make our voices heard. http://action.sierraclub.org/site/PageS ... login=true