oil canada vs' the great bear rainforest

chadwick

lukin2006 wrote:

i know in my lifetime other than voting every so often the government has not sought my approval on issues. I totally understand people's beef with Alberta oil sands...i really doubt much is going to slow them down in the next 3 years or beyond.

honestly I have not seen any polls conducted in Canada on what Canadians think about the tar sands...for all I know maybe the majority have know problem...they are major job producers and I know many from my region that went to Alberta for work as many others from regions that are economically challenged.

Unfortunately for many when it comes to feed your family or taking care of the environment many choose to work in Alberta and give their families a better life.

shortsided and environmentally catastrophically
the unfortunate consequences are very much a disservice
this harmful action is only going to injure & destroy the natural and pristine world
it is not worth the risk; not worth the hazards

it is not the question of will it happen; it is a question of when

canada must use it fucking brain. do not do it; do not kill the rainforests up there. if they do, it will not be pretty. it is not worth the gamble; no matter what there is no win win situation. oneday the disaster will go off like a crude oil bomb/flood gusher smothering everything in its wake

i love canada, i love canadians, i love the rainforests up there, together we have to open our eyes and minds or else shits gonna hit the fan and shit flows downhill. besides, i don't want y'all crude flowing down here

ask the orcas, salmon and gray whales if they mind bathing in this black bunk ass pollution?

lukin2006

chadwick wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

i know in my lifetime other than voting every so often the government has not sought my approval on issues. I totally understand people's beef with Alberta oil sands...i really doubt much is going to slow them down in the next 3 years or beyond.

honestly I have not seen any polls conducted in Canada on what Canadians think about the tar sands...for all I know maybe the majority have know problem...they are major job producers and I know many from my region that went to Alberta for work as many others from regions that are economically challenged.

Unfortunately for many when it comes to feed your family or taking care of the environment many choose to work in Alberta and give their families a better life.

shortsided and environmentally catastrophically
the unfortunate consequences are very much a disservice
this harmful action is only going to injure & destroy the natural and pristine world
it is not worth the risk; not worth the hazards

it is not the question of will it happen; it is a question of when

canada must use it fucking brain. do not do it; do not kill the rainforests up there. if they do, it will not be pretty. it is not worth the gamble; no matter what there is no win win situation. oneday the disaster will go off like a crude oil bomb/flood gusher smothering everything in its wake

i love canada, i love canadians, i love the rainforests up there, together we have to open our eyes and minds or else shits gonna hit the fan and shit flows downhill. besides, i don't want y'all crude flowing down here

ask the orcas, salmon and gray whales if they mind bathing in this black bunk ass pollution?

Well as of now we got a government in place that don't give a rats ass about the environment...Only if other countries refuse to buy this oil will things change. My guess is that there are plenty of countries willing to buy this oil. Maybe BC will be able to stop the pipeline...time will tell...

chadwick

lukin2006 wrote:

Well as of now we got a government in place that don't give a rats ass about the environment...Only if other countries refuse to buy this oil will things change. My guess is that there are plenty of countries willing to buy this oil. Maybe BC will be able to stop the pipeline...time will tell...

British Columbia's first nations people should be fully capable of sticking oilwells, pipelines and oil tankers square up someone's fat ass. i fully wish i was a indian chief of a British Columbia indian tribe or sat on a indian tribal council up there. we would go to war with Canada and whomever else wants to fuck around! then i'd put a eagle feather in my hair and dance around meditating for guidance and strength. big oil would lose.

lukin2006

chadwick wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

Well as of now we got a government in place that don't give a rats ass about the environment...Only if other countries refuse to buy this oil will things change. My guess is that there are plenty of countries willing to buy this oil. Maybe BC will be able to stop the pipeline...time will tell...

British Columbia's first nations people should be fully capable of sticking oilwells, pipelines and oil tankers square up someone's fat ass. i fully wish i was a indian chief of a British Columbia indian tribe or sat on a indian tribal council up there. we would go to war with Canada and whomever else wants to fuck around! then i'd put a eagle feather in my hair and dance around meditating for guidance and strength. big oil would lose.

Many of these First Nation People's see opportunity, jobs and money as well. It's a tricky situation really. Like I said Alberta, Manitoba and Saskatchewan energy sectors are providing well paying jobs for many people, especially those from Ontario where we've just been hit hard with the loss of so many jobs in manufacturing.

I really doubt you'll ever see any federal government interfere much in the tar sands.

Personally I think the situation is very tricky...much more complicated than most realize.

I'm not in favor of what's going on, but it's not going to stop.

chadwick

lukin2006 wrote:

Many of these First Nation People's see opportunity, jobs and money as well. It's a tricky situation really. Like I said Alberta, Manitoba and Saskatchewan energy sectors are providing well paying jobs for many people, especially those from Ontario where we've just been hit hard with the loss of so many jobs in manufacturing.

I really doubt you'll ever see any federal government interfere much in the tar sands.

Personally I think the situation is very tricky...much more complicated than most realize.

I'm not in favor of what's going on, but it's not going to stop.

i know this.

and when placed under the thumb of the canadian government with poverty knocking at their frontdoor, many cave in for a income. it is no surprise. fuck that. they gotta be stronger no matter how small. no matter how hungry. do not sell out to big oil. it is not the answer. the opportunities are cloaked by lies and evil ruiners of all that is good, free & living without pollution.

lukin2006

chadwick wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

Many of these First Nation People's see opportunity, jobs and money as well. It's a tricky situation really. Like I said Alberta, Manitoba and Saskatchewan energy sectors are providing well paying jobs for many people, especially those from Ontario where we've just been hit hard with the loss of so many jobs in manufacturing.

I really doubt you'll ever see any federal government interfere much in the tar sands.

Personally I think the situation is very tricky...much more complicated than most realize.

I'm not in favor of what's going on, but it's not going to stop.

i know this.

and when placed under the thumb of the canadian government with poverty knocking at their frontdoor, many cave in for a income. it is no surprise. fuck that. they gotta be stronger no matter how small. no matter how hungry. do not sell out to big oil. it is not the answer. the opportunities are cloaked by lies and evil ruiners of all that is good, free & living without pollution.

I guess you need to chat with them about being stronger...good luck.

Hey who uses 25% of the world's oil? with about 5% of the world's population?

chadwick

lukin2006 wrote:

I guess you need to chat with them about being stronger...good luck.

Hey who uses 25% of the world's oil? with about 5% of the world's population?

lemme guess... missouri, arkansas, iowa or poland? :?

candleofthought26

The only thing that the federal govnm't cares about more than oil revenue is power - and power for them is obtained with votes. I'm not saying that creating a vocal opposition will end oil production and distribution, that is unrealistic in our lifetimes. I am only suggesting that it could help mitigate the further break-down of environmental safeguards currently in place. This govnm't is working diligently to find new ways to prevent public and scientific scrutiny of any of their project plans. Today, independent bodies operating on scientific data are required to evaluate any major project before it may proceed, as well as a forum for public input. What is currently proposed is a large set of legislation that removes this last hope of preventing new threats to our environment. And Harper wants you to believe you are helpless in this process. The truth is that we are not powerless. While we are not in a position to make decisions about big oil-- we are still in a position to demand democratic and scientific review of new initiatives that affect this country. We have the power to demand accountability and democracy while they are still core Canadian values.

Fear of losing voter support may be the only leverage we as the people have left. Believing there is nothing we can do plays right into their cards; creating ripe breeding grounds for some of the worst corruption this country has ever seen.

candleofthought26

chadwick wrote:

candleofthought26 wrote:

One way you can make your voice heard is by speaking out on the newly proposed Bill C-38, which dissolves environmental safeguards across the country and systematically shuts out public input and democratic debate -- by taking part in BlackoutSpeakOut on June 4th: http://blackoutspeakout.ca/index.php

And write those letters, make those calls, let them know this back-door politics shit isn't going to be jammed down our throats.

If anyone has info on how to participate in protecting Great Bear Rainforest, please share.

i will check out this site and make the phone calls and write the letters.

i have an idea on protecting the great bear rainforest.... :twisted: it isn't pretty and involves kicking some ass :evil:

Thank you so much! We truly are helpless if we can never say we at least tried to create some change.

It is really cool to be able to talk to people who are also passionate about these important issues. There are some pretty amazing fans here, its a privilege to hear your perspective and those of the others.

brianlux

candleofthought26 wrote:

We truly are helpless if we can never say we at least tried to create some change.

It is really cool to be able to talk to people who are also passionate about these important issues. There are some pretty amazing fans here, its a privilege to hear your perspective and those of the others.

Well said and nice work, candleofthought26. No matter how things turn out it's never too late to make things better and doing so makes sense and that gives us hope.

chadwick

brianlux wrote:

candleofthought26 wrote:

We truly are helpless if we can never say we at least tried to create some change.

It is really cool to be able to talk to people who are also passionate about these important issues. There are some pretty amazing fans here, its a privilege to hear your perspective and those of the others.

Well said and nice work, candleofthought26. No matter how things turn out it's never too late to make things better and doing so makes sense and that gives us hope.

yes thank you the both of you. candleofthought, you and brianlux are both very intelligent. like you said it is a privilege to write and read amongst such passionate pj fans. important causes such as this need our full attention. if no one cares big oil does as it pleases. i don't know about everyone on here or outside this site across the earth but i do have a problem with bullying and those who try very hard at blinding us all. fuck that bullshit. no one will ever blind me to where i do not give a damn especially about the environment. big oil is a bully and a carefree demonic power that does not give a fuck; look at all the oilwells gushing into the sea, for example.

insane to even drill that deep down under water. fucking idiotic.

candleofthought26

^^ Chadwick and Brianlux, you guys said it. The most amazing thing that never ceases to astonish me, is the caliber and integrity of the PJ family -- some obviously drawn so strongly to this band because (beyond the intense love for the music) we share their passion and desire to stand up for what we believe is right. As you perfectly stated, standing up may or may not yield the desired outcome- but if you don't there is no hope at all. We underestimate how much impact the average regular person can have on social and political change. Historically, people just like us have shaped society by demanding the rights and freedoms that we enjoy today. Had they sat back thinking there was nothing they could do to change things, we would still be living in dark times. Please read Howard Zinn's A people's history of the U.S., or see The People Speak for some of the hugely impactful ways people in seemingly powerless positions have changed society, very inspirational, if you're interested. And we continue to shape society and policy; environmental organizations using the voice of the people to lobby the government and corporations win important victories for the environment each year. Victories that wouldn't be possible without our participation.

Bullying is exactly what is going on here. Our own government more than ever bullies us into a place of complacent submission. I too have a real fucking problem with a government that bullies its people into doing what it wants. In other parts of the world this is called: a dictatorship. It is despicable and I for one, won't sit back and accept this shit. Thank you both, and anyone else who won't either. You guys give me hope.


--"If you don't have that sense of how things have changed in the past, it would be very easy to despair about the present," Anthony Arnove, co-editor of Voices of a People's History of the United States

lukin2006

A documentary on great bear rainforest.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3bKmz4od3g&feature=plcp

lukin2006

Northern Gateway pipeline faces ‘unbreakable’ wall

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/poli ... kable-wall

lukin2006

Enbridge sees more first nations’ support for Gateway pipeline

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-in ... le2426746/

polaris_x

lukin2006 wrote:

Enbridge sees more first nations’ support for Gateway pipeline

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-in ... le2426746/

bribery usually works ...

lukin2006

polaris_x wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

Enbridge sees more first nations’ support for Gateway pipeline

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-in ... le2426746/

bribery usually works ...

Watched the the video I posted. That pristine wilderness should be left untouched. They go ahead with that pipeline in that area would be a national travesty :nono:.

candleofthought26

lukin2006 wrote:

A documentary on great bear rainforest.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3bKmz4od3g&feature=plcp

Thanks so much for posting this. Just watched it, its really eye-opening.
To go ahead with this proposal would be a real travesty indeed. I can't even believe it's being considered. There is no limit on greed.

polaris_x

short term and narrow-minded thinking at its best

brianlux

candleofthought26 wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

A documentary on great bear rainforest.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3bKmz4od3g&feature=plcp

Thanks so much for posting this. Just watched it, its really eye-opening.
To go ahead with this proposal would be a real travesty indeed. I can't even believe it's being considered. There is no limit on greed.

It truly boggles the mind that beautiful places would been seen as nothing more than a stock pile of resources. People that see the world this way would be happy to live in a world of steel and plastic. This kind of mental and spiritual estrangement from the natural world will only lead to destruction. The concept of Gaia- of the world as a living organism- is unrecognized by those who would continue to plunder the earth for resources without consideration of balance and restoration. That sad thing is that we who believe in preserving nature are seen as "granola" types or even fruit cakes. But there's much good science and clear, intelligent thinking behind preservation and conservation of resources and wild places as well as our aesthetic appreciation for nature.