I've said it before and I'll say it again, its easy to critize than to offer up or articulate what you, as a presumptive VP candidate, would do differently. Did the honorable Mr. Rubio articulate what or how Obama has been failing on human rights? No, he just stated rhetoric. So exactly how has the Obama adminstration failed on human rights? What is it about current US policy toward China or Iran that has failed on human rights? Because the US didn't invade? Impose sanctions? Free the dissident? Pronounce from the pulpit that this won't stand? And Bush 1 let the tanks roll through Tiannimen Square. And then he left the Iraqis to twist in the wind after Desert Storm. So what should Obama be doing in regards to human rights in China, Iran and Syria? What should our policy be? And what does he, Rubio, know that we don't? I happen to believe that Obama's sanctions toward Iran, sanctions that the Chinese and Russians have bought into and support, currently, have done more to support human rights in Iran than Rubio's rhetoric. If you disagree, state what your candidates would do differently. And I think there is a whole lot more going on, behind the scenes, in Iran than we know. Because Obama is not politicizing it. Romney jumped the gun, before negotiations were finalized, regarding the Chinese dissident. Last I heard, he may very well be allowed to either leave China or stay, which is what he wanted, to continue to work toward democratic freedoms. If you think that China is going to change, overnight, to suit our needs, you're sadly mistaken. But it makes for great campaign rhetoric, doesn't it. Nixon's chickens are coming home to roost. And yes, Rubio is not offering solutions, just politicizing and opposing because he's part and parcel of the "do nothing to let Obama have a victory, make him fail, regardless of the cost to the US" crowd. All I've heard for three + years is opposition, no solutions offered from the other side.
So tell me, what should US policy toward human rights in China, Iran and Syria be? Articulate Romney's and Rubio's policy for me. Please, I'd like to understand what it is.
And yes, I believe Rubio isn't qualified to be a heartbeat away from the Oval Office.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, its easy to critize than to offer up or articulate what you, as a presumptive VP candidate, would do differently. Did the honorable Mr. Rubio articulate what or how Obama has been failing on human rights? No, he just stated rhetoric. So exactly how has the Obama adminstration failed on human rights? What is it about current US policy toward China or Iran that has failed on human rights? Because the US didn't invade? Impose sanctions? Free the dissident? Pronounce from the pulpit that this won't stand? And Bush 1 let the tanks roll through Tiannimen Square. And then he left the Iraqis to twist in the wind after Desert Storm. So what should Obama be doing in regards to human rights in China, Iran and Syria? What should our policy be? And what does he, Rubio, know that we don't? I happen to believe that Obama's sanctions toward Iran, sanctions that the Chinese and Russians have bought into and support, currently, have done more to support human rights in Iran than Rubio's rhetoric. If you disagree, state what your candidates would do differently. And I think there is a whole lot more going on, behind the scenes, in Iran than we know. Because Obama is not politicizing it. Romney jumped the gun, before negotiations were finalized, regarding the Chinese dissident. Last I heard, he may very well be allowed to either leave China or stay, which is what he wanted, to continue to work toward democratic freedoms. If you think that China is going to change, overnight, to suit our needs, you're sadly mistaken. But it makes for great campaign rhetoric, doesn't it. Nixon's chickens are coming home to roost. And yes, Rubio is not offering solutions, just politicizing and opposing because he's part and parcel of the "do nothing to let Obama have a victory, make him fail, regardless of the cost to the US" crowd. All I've heard for three + years is opposition, no solutions offered from the other side.
So tell me, what should US policy toward human rights in China, Iran and Syria be? Articulate Romney's and Rubio's policy for me. Please, I'd like to understand what it is.
And yes, I believe Rubio isn't qualified to be a heartbeat away from the Oval Office.
Peace.
You're wasting your time. He won't reply to any of your questions. He'll just post another lame soundbite, or silly picture, followed by a 'Woot!'.
I'm surprised people haven't realized that by now.
Well, it appears that the jinx has been put on Rubio.
Who is the sixth most desirable GOP candidate for VP?
(seriously .... I may be able to wager on this) :ugeek:
:corn:
I am guessing they will pick Jesse Ventura. I mean, if you are going to pick a candidate with baggage, at least pick one with charisma right?
too bad that just as he is about to accept it he will be punched square in the mouth by Gorilla Monsoon.
Rubio was one of those candidates that people constantly talked about but for no really good reason.
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Well, it appears that the jinx has been put on Rubio.
Who is the sixth most desirable GOP candidate for VP?
(seriously .... I may be able to wager on this) :ugeek:
:corn:
What happened with Rubio?
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The most important thing, above all else, is getting BO out of the white house. He has been a disaster.
"All the things that made him different and special four years ago are gone," Rubio said. "And now all he does is run, dividing Americans against each other, obviously because he can't run on his record."
On Obama, Rubio also hit the nail on the head saying he's
"divisive, cynical ... always looking for the opportunity to pit Americans against each other in some sort of political calculation."
Well, it appears that the jinx has been put on Rubio.
Who is the sixth most desirable GOP candidate for VP?
(seriously .... I may be able to wager on this) :ugeek:
:corn:
I am guessing they will pick Jesse Ventura. I mean, if you are going to pick a candidate with baggage, at least pick one with charisma right?
too bad that just as he is about to accept it he will be punched square in the mouth by Gorilla Monsoon.
Rubio was one of those candidates that people constantly talked about but for no really good reason.
too bad he can't pick The Fabulous Moolah...perhaps she would have helped him better appeal to women voters...
"There's this propensity that this administration seems to have of an unwillingness to forcefully assert America's values," Rubio said.
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"There's this propensity that this administration seems to have of an unwillingness to forcefully assert America's values," Rubio said.
Good news team, we are now moving in the right direction. When Romney wins, employers won't be afraid to hire. Our economy will improve. People will have clarity knowing they will be able to keep more of their hard earned money.
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can you please tell me exactly what these american values are? and in what way the current administration arent willing to forcefully assert them. also how would they go about that anyways? thanx in advance.
i live in a country where every now and again some politician craps on about australian values and how un australian something is and i have no clue what theyre talking about so..
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can you please tell me exactly what these american values are? and in what way the current administration arent willing to forcefully assert them. also how would they go about that anyways? thanx in advance. ..
Values
Abortion
Mitt Romney is pro-life. He believes it speaks well of the country that almost all Americans recognize that abortion is a problem. And in the quiet of conscience, people of both political parties know that more than a million abortions a year cannot be squared with the good heart of America.
Mitt believes that life begins at conception and wishes that the laws of our nation reflected that view. But while the nation remains so divided, he believes that the right next step is for the Supreme Court to overturn Roe v. Wade – a case of blatant judicial activism that took a decision that should be left to the people and placed it in the hands of unelected judges. With Roe overturned, states will be empowered through the democratic process to determine their own abortion laws and not have them dictated by judicial mandate.
Mitt supports the Hyde Amendment, which broadly bars the use of federal funds for abortions. As president, he will end federal funding for abortion advocates like Planned Parenthood. He will protect the right of health care workers to follow their conscience in their work. And he will nominate judges who know the difference between personal opinion and the law.
Because the good heart of America knows no boundaries, a commitment to protecting life should not stop at the water’s edge. Taking innocent life is always wrong and always tragic, wherever it happens. The compassionate instincts of this country should not be silent in the face of injustices like China’s One-Child policy. No one will ever hear a President Romney or his vice president tell the Chinese government that "I fully understand" and won’t “second guess” compulsory sterilization and forced abortion.
Americans have a moral duty to uphold the sanctity of life and protect the weakest, most vulnerable and most innocent among us. As president, Mitt will ensure that American laws reflect America’s values of preserving life at home and abroad.
Stem Cell Research
Great advancements in science are welcome antidotes to human frailty. The desire to save and strengthen the lives of those we love is noble and good, yet the promise of science does not justify discarding our moral duty to protect human life in its most vulnerable form. Scientific research and the preservation of human dignity are complementary, and America’s laws must reflect this conviction.
Stem cell research is a great scientific frontier, and it must be pursued with respect and care. When confronted with the issue of stem cell research as governor of Massachusetts, Mitt Romney chose to support life by vetoing a bill that would have allowed the cloning of human embryos. Quite simply, America cannot condone or participate in the creation of human life when the sole purpose of its creation is its sure destruction.
Adult stem cell research and alternative methods to derive pluripotent stem cells, such as altered nuclear transfer and direct reprogramming, are scientific paths that carry much promise and avoid raising ethical concerns. As president, Mitt will focus his energy on laws and policies that promote this kind of research to unlock the medical breakthroughs that our loved ones so desperately need.
Marriage
The values that Mitt Romney learned in his home have enriched his life immeasurably. With his parents’ example before him, he married, had five sons, and now basks in the joy of sixteen grandchildren.
Marriage is more than a personally rewarding social custom. It is also critical for the well-being of a civilization. That is why it is so important to preserve traditional marriage – the joining together of one man and one woman. As president, Mitt will not only appoint an Attorney General who will defend the Defense of Marriage Act – a bipartisan law passed by Congress and signed by President Clinton – but he will also champion a Federal Marriage Amendment to the Constitution defining marriage as between one man and one woman.
The values that Mitt Romney learned in his home have enriched his life immeasurably. With his parents’ example before him, he married, had five sons, and now basks in the joy of sixteen grandchildren.
Marriage is more than a personally rewarding social custom. It is also critical for the well-being of a civilization. That is why it is so important to preserve traditional marriage – the joining together of one man and one woman. As president, Mitt will not only appoint an Attorney General who will defend the Defense of Marriage Act – a bipartisan law passed by Congress and signed by President Clinton – but he will also champion a Federal Marriage Amendment to the Constitution defining marriage as between one man and one woman.
why must marriage be defined as being between one man and one woman? we deal with this one in australia as well and ive never quite understood why marriage has to be sanctified as being between one man and one woman. is this based in faith? if so then how does reflect the separation of church and state? and if not, then where is it coming from?
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The values that Mitt Romney learned in his home have enriched his life immeasurably. With his parents’ example before him, he married, had five sons, and now basks in the joy of sixteen grandchildren.
Marriage is more than a personally rewarding social custom. It is also critical for the well-being of a civilization. That is why it is so important to preserve traditional marriage – the joining together of one man and one woman. As president, Mitt will not only appoint an Attorney General who will defend the Defense of Marriage Act – a bipartisan law passed by Congress and signed by President Clinton – but he will also champion a Federal Marriage Amendment to the Constitution defining marriage as between one man and one woman.
why must marriage be defined as being between one man and one woman? we deal with this one in australia as well and ive never quite understood why marriage has to be santified as being between one man and one woman. is this based in faith? if so then how does reflect the separation of church and state? and if not, then where is it coming from?
it is because there is not a true separation of church and state in this country. we like to say that there is a separation, but in all actuality the church has too much influence in our government and too much influence in government policy. especially the policies relating to social issues.
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The values that Mitt Romney learned in his home have enriched his life immeasurably. With his parents’ example before him, he married, had five sons, and now basks in the joy of sixteen grandchildren.
Marriage is more than a personally rewarding social custom. It is also critical for the well-being of a civilization. That is why it is so important to preserve traditional marriage – the joining together of one man and one woman. As president, Mitt will not only appoint an Attorney General who will defend the Defense of Marriage Act – a bipartisan law passed by Congress and signed by President Clinton – but he will also champion a Federal Marriage Amendment to the Constitution defining marriage as between one man and one woman.
why must marriage be defined as being between one man and one woman? we deal with this one in australia as well and ive never quite understood why marriage has to be santified as being between one man and one woman. is this based in faith? if so then how does reflect the separation of church and state? and if not, then where is it coming from?
That "Federal Marriage Amendment to the Constitution defining marriage as between one man and one woman" sounds like big government to me, telling us who we can and can not marry. My take on this marriage subject is, if you love someone, marry them whether it's man and man or woman and woman.
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no, i am advocating that we use what we have at our disposal. if you need to make a fire for some reason, and for some other reason all you have on you is the palin book, then by all means burn away. gotta do what you gotta do in those situations. i call that being resourceful.
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The values that Mitt Romney learned in his home have enriched his life immeasurably. With his parents’ example before him, he married, had five sons, and now basks in the joy of sixteen grandchildren.
Marriage is more than a personally rewarding social custom. It is also critical for the well-being of a civilization. That is why it is so important to preserve traditional marriage – the joining together of one man and one woman. As president, Mitt will not only appoint an Attorney General who will defend the Defense of Marriage Act – a bipartisan law passed by Congress and signed by President Clinton – but he will also champion a Federal Marriage Amendment to the Constitution defining marriage as between one man and one woman.
why must marriage be defined as being between one man and one woman? we deal with this one in australia as well and ive never quite understood why marriage has to be santified as being between one man and one woman. is this based in faith? if so then how does reflect the separation of church and state? and if not, then where is it coming from?
That "Federal Marriage Amendment to the Constitution defining marriage as between one man and one woman" sounds like big government to me, telling us who we can and can not marry. My take on this marriage subject is, if you love someone, marry them whether it's man and man or woman and woman.
it certainly does sound like big government. if adam wants to marry steve its not my business.. its not anyones business except adam and steves. and as people they should be allowed the same rights as the straights.
and i find it endlessly amusing that when the god squad freaks out about homosexual marriage and how marriage should be between a man and a woman they seem to conveniently forget that jesus' parents werent married which effectively makes jesus a bastard child... perhaps thats for another thread. :think:
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no, i am advocating that we use what we have at our disposal. if you need to make a fire for some reason, and for some other reason all you have on you is the palin book, then by all means burn away. gotta do what you gotta do in those situations. i call that being resourceful.
tbh gimme if you had a palin book at your disposal id be seriously worried.
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I totally agree Newch91 and Catefrances. Marriage is about two people loving each other and wanting to be together. Some of the happiest, most well adjusted wonderful couples I know are gay couples. The people I'm referring to live in my current home town, a fairly conservative town for California. Tolerance seems to be growing even here. I hope the same is happening elsewhere.
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I've known happy and fucked-up couples, both gay and straight. Good and bad times don't discriminate
I say open the floodgates to the doors of matrimony; all are - should be - welcome, should they choose that path. But let's also get rid of the "benefits" that come with it. Have it recognized in the sense of commitment but remove all of the automatic legal ties and make it incumbent upon anyone who wants them to secure those ties themselves.
I totally agree Newch91 and Catefrances. Marriage is about two people loving each other and wanting to be together. Some of the happiest, most well adjusted wonderful couples I know are gay couples. The people I'm referring to live in my current home town, a fairly conservative town for California. Tolerance seems to be growing even here. I hope the same is happening elsewhere.
I'd like to say it is, unfortunately it is not here in Eau Claire. One of my main problems with this city basically ruled by churches.
I totally agree Newch91 and Catefrances. Marriage is about two people loving each other and wanting to be together. Some of the happiest, most well adjusted wonderful couples I know are gay couples. The people I'm referring to live in my current home town, a fairly conservative town for California. Tolerance seems to be growing even here. I hope the same is happening elsewhere.
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So tell me, what should US policy toward human rights in China, Iran and Syria be? Articulate Romney's and Rubio's policy for me. Please, I'd like to understand what it is.
And yes, I believe Rubio isn't qualified to be a heartbeat away from the Oval Office.
Peace.
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You're wasting your time. He won't reply to any of your questions. He'll just post another lame soundbite, or silly picture, followed by a 'Woot!'.
I'm surprised people haven't realized that by now.
Who is the sixth most desirable GOP candidate for VP?
(seriously .... I may be able to wager on this) :ugeek:
:corn:
I am guessing they will pick Jesse Ventura. I mean, if you are going to pick a candidate with baggage, at least pick one with charisma right?
too bad that just as he is about to accept it he will be punched square in the mouth by Gorilla Monsoon.
Rubio was one of those candidates that people constantly talked about but for no really good reason.
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"All the things that made him different and special four years ago are gone," Rubio said. "And now all he does is run, dividing Americans against each other, obviously because he can't run on his record."
On Obama, Rubio also hit the nail on the head saying he's
"divisive, cynical ... always looking for the opportunity to pit Americans against each other in some sort of political calculation."
too bad he can't pick The Fabulous Moolah...perhaps she would have helped him better appeal to women voters...
Good news team, we are now moving in the right direction. When Romney wins, employers won't be afraid to hire. Our economy will improve. People will have clarity knowing they will be able to keep more of their hard earned money.
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can you please tell me exactly what these american values are? and in what way the current administration arent willing to forcefully assert them. also how would they go about that anyways? thanx in advance.
i live in a country where every now and again some politician craps on about australian values and how un australian something is and i have no clue what theyre talking about so..
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think they will pick her again?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
That would be foolish
yeah but itd be a whole stack of fun wouldnt it?
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Ha, no kidding
Values
Abortion
Mitt Romney is pro-life. He believes it speaks well of the country that almost all Americans recognize that abortion is a problem. And in the quiet of conscience, people of both political parties know that more than a million abortions a year cannot be squared with the good heart of America.
Mitt believes that life begins at conception and wishes that the laws of our nation reflected that view. But while the nation remains so divided, he believes that the right next step is for the Supreme Court to overturn Roe v. Wade – a case of blatant judicial activism that took a decision that should be left to the people and placed it in the hands of unelected judges. With Roe overturned, states will be empowered through the democratic process to determine their own abortion laws and not have them dictated by judicial mandate.
Mitt supports the Hyde Amendment, which broadly bars the use of federal funds for abortions. As president, he will end federal funding for abortion advocates like Planned Parenthood. He will protect the right of health care workers to follow their conscience in their work. And he will nominate judges who know the difference between personal opinion and the law.
Because the good heart of America knows no boundaries, a commitment to protecting life should not stop at the water’s edge. Taking innocent life is always wrong and always tragic, wherever it happens. The compassionate instincts of this country should not be silent in the face of injustices like China’s One-Child policy. No one will ever hear a President Romney or his vice president tell the Chinese government that "I fully understand" and won’t “second guess” compulsory sterilization and forced abortion.
Americans have a moral duty to uphold the sanctity of life and protect the weakest, most vulnerable and most innocent among us. As president, Mitt will ensure that American laws reflect America’s values of preserving life at home and abroad.
Stem Cell Research
Great advancements in science are welcome antidotes to human frailty. The desire to save and strengthen the lives of those we love is noble and good, yet the promise of science does not justify discarding our moral duty to protect human life in its most vulnerable form. Scientific research and the preservation of human dignity are complementary, and America’s laws must reflect this conviction.
Stem cell research is a great scientific frontier, and it must be pursued with respect and care. When confronted with the issue of stem cell research as governor of Massachusetts, Mitt Romney chose to support life by vetoing a bill that would have allowed the cloning of human embryos. Quite simply, America cannot condone or participate in the creation of human life when the sole purpose of its creation is its sure destruction.
Adult stem cell research and alternative methods to derive pluripotent stem cells, such as altered nuclear transfer and direct reprogramming, are scientific paths that carry much promise and avoid raising ethical concerns. As president, Mitt will focus his energy on laws and policies that promote this kind of research to unlock the medical breakthroughs that our loved ones so desperately need.
Marriage
The values that Mitt Romney learned in his home have enriched his life immeasurably. With his parents’ example before him, he married, had five sons, and now basks in the joy of sixteen grandchildren.
Marriage is more than a personally rewarding social custom. It is also critical for the well-being of a civilization. That is why it is so important to preserve traditional marriage – the joining together of one man and one woman. As president, Mitt will not only appoint an Attorney General who will defend the Defense of Marriage Act – a bipartisan law passed by Congress and signed by President Clinton – but he will also champion a Federal Marriage Amendment to the Constitution defining marriage as between one man and one woman.
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Romney is down with it.
Obama is not. For example, the mandate in Obamacare that everyone needs to be covered by an insurance policy...for starters.
I was in a Goodwill store recently and saw a whole row of hard cover copies of Palin's autobiography. You can't give them away.
why must marriage be defined as being between one man and one woman? we deal with this one in australia as well and ive never quite understood why marriage has to be sanctified as being between one man and one woman. is this based in faith? if so then how does reflect the separation of church and state? and if not, then where is it coming from?
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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youre advocating burning books!? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! :shock:
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
it certainly does sound like big government. if adam wants to marry steve its not my business.. its not anyones business except adam and steves. and as people they should be allowed the same rights as the straights.
and i find it endlessly amusing that when the god squad freaks out about homosexual marriage and how marriage should be between a man and a woman they seem to conveniently forget that jesus' parents werent married which effectively makes jesus a bastard child... perhaps thats for another thread. :think:
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tbh gimme if you had a palin book at your disposal id be seriously worried.
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I say open the floodgates to the doors of matrimony; all are - should be - welcome, should they choose that path. But let's also get rid of the "benefits" that come with it. Have it recognized in the sense of commitment but remove all of the automatic legal ties and make it incumbent upon anyone who wants them to secure those ties themselves.
I'd like to say it is, unfortunately it is not here in Eau Claire. One of my main problems with this city basically ruled by churches.
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