Canadian Politics

polaris_x

lukin2006 wrote:

I know Garneau did ... but he turned out to be disappointing in the end. At least for now the other candidates are going to ride it out ... this country still lacks leadership ... no wonder voter turnout is at an all time low.

garneau did an informal poll and found trudeauu had like 78% of the vote ... these campaigns are a lot of money and there are still candidates from previous bids who have not paid off their debt ... you can't blame the guy ...

at the end of the day tho - it is up to the people to decide ... if WE truly cared (and i do include myself) - we'd register and support the people we want ... sitting here and griping about it - isn't gonna change anything ...

polaris_x

polaris_x wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

This is kind of ridiculous ... they are handing him the leadership of the party with no contest. I admit I haven't exactly paid as much attention as I could have but I know where Marc Garneau and Joyce Murray stand. This country is doomed ... I don't think we have 1 real leader anywhere :oops: :oops: :oops:.

garneau agreed with the extension ... they were having technical difficulties making it hard for everyone to register ... i don't think that was unreasonable ...

i just read that the other contenders weren't in favour of the extension and thought it favoured trudeau ... so, maybe not just about the glitches ...

lukin2006

polaris_x wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

This is kind of ridiculous ... they are handing him the leadership of the party with no contest. I admit I haven't exactly paid as much attention as I could have but I know where Marc Garneau and Joyce Murray stand. This country is doomed ... I don't think we have 1 real leader anywhere :oops: :oops: :oops:.

garneau agreed with the extension ... they were having technical difficulties making it hard for everyone to register ... i don't think that was unreasonable ...

i just read that the other contenders weren't in favour of the extension and thought it favoured trudeau ... so, maybe not just about the glitches ...

People had long enough to register if they wanted to. I really don't think democracy is best served when the leadership of the party is just going to be handed to him.

But at the end of the day it doesn't really matter ... if there are any true leaders out there among us they are not involved with politics currently and those that have the potential and the intention of being different get sucked into the party and eventually become like the rest of them.

polaris_x

lukin2006 wrote:

People had long enough to register if they wanted to. I really don't think democracy is best served when the leadership of the party is just going to be handed to him.

But at the end of the day it doesn't really matter ... if there are any true leaders out there among us they are not involved with politics currently and those that have the potential and the intention of being different get sucked into the party and eventually become like the rest of them.

i know you're even more jaded than i am ... ... but i honestly feel that it's not as bad as it has been ...

our prospective leaders are trying to please a multitude of interests ... all i really ask is that they govern with honesty, integrity, transparency and for the people ... not corporate interests ...

on that front ... i look at mulclair, murray and trudeau and there is no significant baggage as of yet ... that is incredible if we were to compare to our neighbours south where every candidate for the GOP nomination had tons of baggage and you knew was just going to do what the corporate shills want ...

it's not great but it's not that bad either ... obviously, if the conservatives stay in power ... different story ...

Kel Varnsen

lukin2006 wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

In Ontario I've been researching the green party ... if I vote I'd probably vote for them ... I really like their policy of eliminating 2 school boards which would save 1.3-1.6 billion a year ... now I'm in the early stages of research but theses are the kind of policies I can agree with ... but unfortunately they are so far away from even winning 1 seat.

If I remember last election they were also the only party that was looking at real ways to reform beer laws in Ontario (which are really bad) to support smaller producers and make it easier for them to get their products out there. That was part of the reason why I voted for them. The ontario conservatives are just calling for a sell beer in corner stores deal/get rid of the lcbo type thing which I think will just lead to the same old system but in a different location.

lukin2006

Kel Varnsen wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

In Ontario I've been researching the green party ... if I vote I'd probably vote for them ... I really like their policy of eliminating 2 school boards which would save 1.3-1.6 billion a year ... now I'm in the early stages of research but theses are the kind of policies I can agree with ... but unfortunately they are so far away from even winning 1 seat.

If I remember last election they were also the only party that was looking at real ways to reform beer laws in Ontario (which are really bad) to support smaller producers and make it easier for them to get their products out there. That was part of the reason why I voted for them. The ontario conservatives are just calling for a sell beer in corner stores deal/get rid of the lcbo type thing which I think will just lead to the same old system but in a different location.

The craft beer makers do need help ... the beer store is owned by the big 3 beer companies ... they only interested in helping themselves. As for Hudak he won't do nothing ...

Kel Varnsen

lukin2006 wrote:

The craft beer makers do need help ... the beer store is owned by the big 3 beer companies ... they only interested in helping themselves. As for Hudak he won't do nothing ...

The way the system is set up, with Inbev (owner of Labatt), Sapporo Breweries (owner of Sleeman) and Molson-Coors owning the beer store and having a near monopoly on beer sales is all kinds of messed up.I mean not only does it give them the ability to push their own products at the detriment to their smaller competitors but it also means that if the competitors do start making sales, the beer store owners can easily collect and keep track of all that sales data (since they are the ones making the sales).

And the way they have it set up now it is totally made so that you spend as little time in The Beer Store as possible. It is not a nice/welcoming retail environment. This of course means that they want people to have their mind made up before they get there and not browse. That of course benefits the companies that can spend the most money on marketing and pay for big ad campaigns (ie the owners of the beer store).

lukin2006

Kel Varnsen wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

The craft beer makers do need help ... the beer store is owned by the big 3 beer companies ... they only interested in helping themselves. As for Hudak he won't do nothing ...

The way the system is set up, with Inbev (owner of Labatt), Sapporo Breweries (owner of Sleeman) and Molson-Coors owning the beer store and having a near monopoly on beer sales is all kinds of messed up.I mean not only does it give them the ability to push their own products at the detriment to their smaller competitors but it also means that if the competitors do start making sales, the beer store owners can easily collect and keep track of all that sales data (since they are the ones making the sales).

And the way they have it set up now it is totally made so that you spend as little time in The Beer Store as possible. It is not a nice/welcoming retail environment. This of course means that they want people to have their mind made up before they get there and not browse. That of course benefits the companies that can spend the most money on marketing and pay for big ad campaigns (ie the owners of the beer store).

Agree with everything you said ... I usually only visit the beer store to return my empty's ... I get my beer at the lcbo ... I can at least browse and look forward to August when they have their beers of the world. Eventually the beer store monopoly will end ... Just don't see any of he current provincial leaders doing it, might even take a lawsuit or a charter challenge to change it. I wonder if that's why more people are drinking wine ... A lot of places to buy wine.

lukin2006

Former NDP politician Peter Kormos dead at 60

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/201 ... ormos.html

Ralph Klein: ‘He was a party crasher’

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/commenta ... e10600120/

lukin2006

Rick Mercer mocks Stephen Harper and the CBC over panda bears

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/canada-p ... 07342.html

polaris_x

lukin2006 wrote:

Rick Mercer mocks Stephen Harper and the CBC over panda bears

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/canada-p ... 07342.html

we're fucked ... :evil:

PJ_Soul

Justin Trudeau wins 78% of the leadership vote - the new leader of the Liberal party. I know some may not think it's a good thing, but I would disagree. I think it's the best direction this flagging party could possibly go in (I think he's nervous or having an internal spaz during his acceptance speech though... he's got a funny tone to his voice - sounds like a soliloquy rather than a speech ). This is a huge deal IMO, and I personally believe that Trudeau is ready for the role of battling that bastard Harper (of course, when talking political leaders, everything is in relative terms!). Now to see where the NDP stands after this.... oh man, am I missing Jack Layton right now. :( I am looking forward to this! *rubbing hands together in anticipation*

polaris_x

let the conservative smear campaign begin!! ... :oops:

lukin2006

After the next election we'll either have a conservative or liberal government ... basically the same old ... we need political change which will never happen.

polaris_x

polaris_x wrote:

let the conservative smear campaign begin!! ... :oops:

and it's begun ... http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/canada-p ... 47262.html

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lukin2006

polaris_x wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

let the conservative smear campaign begin!! ... :oops:

and it's begun ... http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/canada-p ... 47262.html

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You beat me to it ... but sadly the conservative supporters will buy into this garbage.

PJ_Soul

lukin2006 wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

let the conservative smear campaign begin!! ... :oops:

and it's begun ... http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/canada-p ... 47262.html

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You beat me to it ... but sadly the conservative supporters will buy into this garbage.

Many will ... but don't underestimate Canadian voters too much. Many do tend to know bullshit when they see it. I don't think this tactic will work well for the Harper government in the long run. They need to be careful if they don't want to come off as scared assholes.

lukin2006

I'd like to know why people in this country are so scared of change ... my guess is that after the next election the conservatives and liberals will get support in the 60-70 % range. Yet they've been running this country forever and from what I can see, some of the major issues (like...healthcare, seniors, OAS, education, lack of good decent paying jobs, unemployment insurance, etc.) people should be concerned about are slowly being eroded.

It will only get worse unless their is change.

We're regressing as a country ... thats not good.

lukin2006

Sure Canadians will fall for it. They've voted Harper in 3 times and he's used the same tactics.

They'll also fall for it because look at how many have fallen for Trudeau even though he was light on policy, and it appeared Garneau or Murray were far better candidates.

To me the combined governments of Canada have spent the better part of the last 30 years or so dumbing people down through the education system so they won't realize how badly they are getting screwed they are.

PJ_Soul

lukin2006 wrote:

Sure Canadians will fall for it. They've voted Harper in 3 times and he's used the same tactics.

They'll also fall for it because look at how many have fallen for Trudeau even though he was light on policy, and it appeared Garneau or Murray were far better candidates.

To me the combined governments of Canada have spent the better part of the last 30 years or so dumbing people down through the education system so they won't realize how badly they are getting screwed they are.

People kept voting him in because they are comfortable, and yes, are scared of change for the worse. With Harper, those people have not suffered or been very uncomfortable (not thanks to Harper, but thanks to Canada's unique abilities to withstand the global economic crisis relatively unscathed). I don't think it had anything to do with his campaigning tactics personally.

I actually think that Trudeau has been pretty clear about what his policies would be... Sounds like you are falling for the Conservative line too maybe; that's their tactic - to make it seem like he's light on policy. I do not believe this is has actually been the case.

Anyway, the Liberal party is not likely to have a sudden meteoric rise in 2 years (although anything's possible - politics can turn on a dime; god knows what might happen in 2 years). But I think that the election after than will likely be where the Liberals can make a real come back under Trudeau. Especially since by then Harper is going to be old and will be very, very unappealing to younger voters (not that he isn't already to some extent).