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  • TalonTeddTalonTedd Posts: 835
    Your right on the sunshine list. There are a lot of people getting paid big bucks and abusing their positions. That whole ornge helicopter scandal was ridiculous. The billion dollar E health debacle was criminal and the gas plant fiasco was good money up in smoke. the conservatives are worse in my view. The G7 security costs were a payoff for conservative voters (the police). Reducing the GST was a tax reduction for the wealthy. The TFSA is another tax haven for the rich. They cut programs on science and muzzled the scientists. Its a big mess and it just feels like we are being reduced to nothingness. The whole system is destructive. I guess its pretty obvious my outlook on the future is grim. I'm disillusioned with it all. But I will keep up my fight for social democracy. Fuck it, I'm going to spin some PJ and play with my kids. Later.

    In joyous part.
    I remember when, yeah. I swore I knew everything, oh yeah.
  • TalonTeddTalonTedd Posts: 835
    on a lighter note. I wanted to start a gathering of GTA PJ fans in the summer. I was thinking of getting a few camp sites booked at Albion hills (Bolton), getting the word out on the 10C about a PJ bonfire fan party and seeing if there might be some interest. A TV could be set up and a DJ. I think it would be cool. I personally would like to meet some fans and share some stories. What do you think and have you heard about anything like this before. Just an idea. Maybe it could grow into an annual ritual.
    I remember when, yeah. I swore I knew everything, oh yeah.
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    polaris_x said:

    we're fucked here ... wynne knew horwarth was never going to support her budget so she put one out there that would make her look bad for turning it down ...

    i just wish the ndp would get its act together and put in someone who could truly lead ...


    I agree ... It's very possible we could arise June 13th with everything exactly the same as it is now. If that happens then I expect a new NDP leader and a new PC leader by the next election.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • TalonTeddTalonTedd Posts: 835
    Check out my bonfire poll in "Given to Fly"
    I remember when, yeah. I swore I knew everything, oh yeah.
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    TalonTedd said:

    Your right on the sunshine list. There are a lot of people getting paid big bucks and abusing their positions. That whole ornge helicopter scandal was ridiculous. The billion dollar E health debacle was criminal and the gas plant fiasco was good money up in smoke.


    These are issue created by the liberal government ... and it's shameful that they are getting away with it.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    TalonTedd said:

    The G7 security costs were a payoff for conservative voters (the police). Reducing the GST was a tax reduction for the wealthy. The TFSA is another tax haven for the rich. They cut programs on science and muzzled the scientists.

    In joyous part.

    These are federal issue ...

    As for the TFSA ... it's been welcomed as one of the most useful financial tools for the middle class by many experts. I really doubt allowing people to stash $5500 in the bank and not paying tax on interest as a tax haven for the rich ... if anything it's more useful for the lower middle class and lower paid workers because these workers often have hardship in which they used to have to draw upon any RRSP savings and then pay tax on it, whereas the TFSA you can draw upon it tax free.

    The police and firefighters are provincial liberal supporters ... Hudak has vowed to fix the broken arbitration system, and it's broken.

    The video of George Carlin I posted is exactly how I feel. Once again I see no need to vote just for the sake of voting. If I were to vote I'd likely vote Green ...

    But as of now we are screwed ...
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    lukin2006 said:

    TalonTedd said:

    Your right on the sunshine list. There are a lot of people getting paid big bucks and abusing their positions. That whole ornge helicopter scandal was ridiculous. The billion dollar E health debacle was criminal and the gas plant fiasco was good money up in smoke.


    These are issue created by the liberal government ... and it's shameful that they are getting away with it.
    they aren't really getting away with it ... first they lost their majority and now they are facing an election ... if there was a good option elsewhere - they would be toast ...
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    polaris_x said:

    lukin2006 said:

    TalonTedd said:

    Your right on the sunshine list. There are a lot of people getting paid big bucks and abusing their positions. That whole ornge helicopter scandal was ridiculous. The billion dollar E health debacle was criminal and the gas plant fiasco was good money up in smoke.


    These are issue created by the liberal government ... and it's shameful that they are getting away with it.
    they aren't really getting away with it ... first they lost their majority and now they are facing an election ... if there was a good option elsewhere - they would be toast ...
    Maybe ... Or people could send a message and vote an alternative party if available and if none available skip the voting process altogether. All 3 of those parties have a base that will vote for them no matter what. The system is ridiculously busted with no fix in sight.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • blueandwhiteblueandwhite Posts: 662
    I'm not looking forward to the June 12th. The very thought of Hudak winning sends shudders down my spine. His promise to cut 100,000 civil servants from the payroll doesn't exactly inspire confidence considering I would likely be one of those 100,000 unfortunate souls. On the flip side, the Liberals aren't much better with their inability to manage Ontario's finances. It's either more of the same or something worse simply because voters need something new. Talk about picking your poison.
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    I think it sucks that some people could lose their job ... but in reality we can't keep running 10-12 billion dollar deficits. If any party wins a majority their will be deep cuts ... Hudak is just saying it. Personally I wouldn't vote for any of those 3 myself.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    Time to jump start this thread again. With the current election in Alberta and the coming Federal election we need to talk Canadian politics again.

    In my home province there is the possible winds of change blowing through. It's in the air, and I'm digging it.

    12 APR POLL: PCS IN 3RD AS WILDROSE AND NDP CONTINUE TO SURGE

    http://1abvote.ca/poll-pcs-in-3rd-as-wildrose-and-ndp-continue-to-surge/
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    Another loss for the Harper Government. How many is that now?

    Supreme Court quashes mandatory minimum sentences for gun crimes

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/supreme-court-quashes-mandatory-minimum-sentences-for-gun-crimes-1.3031847
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    http://poll.forumresearch.com/post/275/majority-government-seen-in-wake-of-debate/

    NDP take dramatic lead in Alberta

    I'm very sceptical, but if the NDP could win...this would have huge implications Canada wide.

  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    I know I'm talking to myself in here, but I just can't shut up about this.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/elections/alberta-votes/alberta-ndp-poised-for-historic-breakthrough-new-poll-suggests-1.3054823

    This is almost unbelievable.
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    dignin said:

    I know I'm talking to myself in here, but I just can't shut up about this.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/elections/alberta-votes/alberta-ndp-poised-for-historic-breakthrough-new-poll-suggests-1.3054823

    This is almost unbelievable.

    No, you aren't talking to yourself, honest! I'm reading all of them, at least, so you have an audience. Off on my bike to work now but will look at your link later. Have a good day.
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336

    dignin said:

    I know I'm talking to myself in here, but I just can't shut up about this.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/elections/alberta-votes/alberta-ndp-poised-for-historic-breakthrough-new-poll-suggests-1.3054823

    This is almost unbelievable.

    No, you aren't talking to yourself, honest! I'm reading all of them, at least, so you have an audience. Off on my bike to work now but will look at your link later. Have a good day.

    Thanks often! I know Canada hasn't been as exciting as the states these days (most days), but even the possibility of a change in this province is huge. The fall of a 44 year old political dynasty? And maybe, just maybe .....to the NDP's? I've lived in this province my whole life and never really thought this could possible.

    If we dump the PC's I think this could have huge implications to Canada as a whole. Politically, environmentally, financially......

    I also have a horse in the race. A good friend is running for the NDP in Lethbridge, her second time running, and it looks like she's a shoe in this time.
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    Ah your political conversations make ours appear Juvenile. Bravo Canadians.
    10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG
  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056
    Will be interesting to see how this plays out in AB. I don't have much to comment at this point, but I'm following too, Dignin. Good luck to your friend!
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    dignin said:

    dignin said:

    I know I'm talking to myself in here, but I just can't shut up about this.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/elections/alberta-votes/alberta-ndp-poised-for-historic-breakthrough-new-poll-suggests-1.3054823

    This is almost unbelievable.

    No, you aren't talking to yourself, honest! I'm reading all of them, at least, so you have an audience. Off on my bike to work now but will look at your link later. Have a good day.

    Thanks often! I know Canada hasn't been as exciting as the states these days (most days), but even the possibility of a change in this province is huge. The fall of a 44 year old political dynasty? And maybe, just maybe .....to the NDP's? I've lived in this province my whole life and never really thought this could possible.

    If we dump the PC's I think this could have huge implications to Canada as a whole. Politically, environmentally, financially......

    I also have a horse in the race. A good friend is running for the NDP in Lethbridge, her second time running, and it looks like she's a shoe in this time.
    Good luck to your friend - running in elections is a lot of work, and that's just the start of it. My father was in municipal politics for more than 20 years - people always slam politicians but I don't think most people know just how much work these people put in for not that much money (particularly at the local level).

    I'm hoping we can dump the so-called Liberals in BC sometime soon. I must say, though, I'm happy to be living in the only federal riding with an elected Green party member!
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    dignin - I'm also wondering what accounts for the apparently big difference in voting/polling patterns between Calgary and Edmonton? I've never lived in Alberta so I really have no idea how the areas of the province vary.
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited May 2015
    dignin said:

    I know I'm talking to myself in here, but I just can't shut up about this.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/elections/alberta-votes/alberta-ndp-poised-for-historic-breakthrough-new-poll-suggests-1.3054823

    This is almost unbelievable.

    I've lived in a few provinces and the political landscaping of each is unique.
    What is the main platform your NDP is running on to be ahead in the polls?

    I know at the provincial level each party has different platforms for each province.
    I have not lived in Alberta but have always thought it to be PC.

    edit - spelling
    Post edited by PJfanwillneverleave1 on
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336

    Will be interesting to see how this plays out in AB. I don't have much to comment at this point, but I'm following too, Dignin. Good luck to your friend!

    Thanks Drowned!

  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336

    dignin - I'm also wondering what accounts for the apparently big difference in voting/polling patterns between Calgary and Edmonton? I've never lived in Alberta so I really have no idea how the areas of the province vary.

    Edmonton has for many years been more progressive than Calgary. I don't really know why. From my observation Calgary is a more white collar town, big oil business, lots of money and wealth. All the big oil companies have their head offices there. Edmonton, a more blue collar town, great cultural city. But I've never lived in Edmonton and have only lived in Calgary for a year and a half, so I don't have a real pulse for the place yet. And the circles I run in are pretty progressive so I'm pretty insulated to what the folks are thinking in the burbs. I think drowned lives in Edmonton? Maybe he would be a better person to answer that question.

    I come from the deep south of southern Alberta. Medicine Hat to be exact. Very conservative, always has been, always will be. It's in the bible belt. I lived in Lethbridge for 10 years and it is a University town. Much more progressive, a lot of public sector jobs... and far more open to the idea of a NDP government.

    Sorry openreading, wish I had a better answer.

  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336

    dignin said:

    I know I'm talking to myself in here, but I just can't shut up about this.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/elections/alberta-votes/alberta-ndp-poised-for-historic-breakthrough-new-poll-suggests-1.3054823

    This is almost unbelievable.

    I've lived in a few provinces and the political landscaping of each is unique.
    What is the main platform your NDP is running on to be ahead in the polls?

    I know at the provincial level each party has different platforms for each province.
    I have not lived in Alberta but have always thought it to be PC.

    edit - spelling
    NDP is promising to have an oil royalty review (possibly tax big oil more to extract oil). Have a more progressive tax rate. Raise the corporate tax rate from 10% to 12%. Hire more teachers. Not cut health care. Invest in diversifying our economy. Look at building more oil refineries here in Alberta. Balance the budget by 2018

    The fact is Albertans have grown tired of the same old PC bull shit. Were sick of riding the boom and bust cycles, were looking for vision. Were sick of a party that has taken us for granted during a 44 year dynasty. Sick of being nickel and dimed with 40 some odd new taxes in this latest budget while giving corporations a free ride with no new taxes.
  • dignin said:

    dignin said:

    I know I'm talking to myself in here, but I just can't shut up about this.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/elections/alberta-votes/alberta-ndp-poised-for-historic-breakthrough-new-poll-suggests-1.3054823

    This is almost unbelievable.

    I've lived in a few provinces and the political landscaping of each is unique.
    What is the main platform your NDP is running on to be ahead in the polls?

    I know at the provincial level each party has different platforms for each province.
    I have not lived in Alberta but have always thought it to be PC.

    edit - spelling
    NDP is promising to have an oil royalty review (possibly tax big oil more to extract oil). Have a more progressive tax rate. Raise the corporate tax rate from 10% to 12%. Hire more teachers. Not cut health care. Invest in diversifying our economy. Look at building more oil refineries here in Alberta. Balance the budget by 2018

    Sick of being nickel and dimed with 40 some odd new taxes in this latest budget while giving corporations a free ride with no new taxes.
    If your thinking about moving to Nova Scotia to change your outlook, don't.
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    This guy explains perfectly why Albertans are fed up with our government.

    https://storify.com/mikebyyc/an-open-letter-to-jim-prentice
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336

    dignin said:

    dignin said:

    I know I'm talking to myself in here, but I just can't shut up about this.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/elections/alberta-votes/alberta-ndp-poised-for-historic-breakthrough-new-poll-suggests-1.3054823

    This is almost unbelievable.

    I've lived in a few provinces and the political landscaping of each is unique.
    What is the main platform your NDP is running on to be ahead in the polls?

    I know at the provincial level each party has different platforms for each province.
    I have not lived in Alberta but have always thought it to be PC.

    edit - spelling
    NDP is promising to have an oil royalty review (possibly tax big oil more to extract oil). Have a more progressive tax rate. Raise the corporate tax rate from 10% to 12%. Hire more teachers. Not cut health care. Invest in diversifying our economy. Look at building more oil refineries here in Alberta. Balance the budget by 2018

    Sick of being nickel and dimed with 40 some odd new taxes in this latest budget while giving corporations a free ride with no new taxes.
    If your thinking about moving to Nova Scotia to change your outlook, don't.

    Same shit?
  • dignin said:

    dignin said:

    dignin said:

    I know I'm talking to myself in here, but I just can't shut up about this.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/elections/alberta-votes/alberta-ndp-poised-for-historic-breakthrough-new-poll-suggests-1.3054823

    This is almost unbelievable.

    I've lived in a few provinces and the political landscaping of each is unique.
    What is the main platform your NDP is running on to be ahead in the polls?

    I know at the provincial level each party has different platforms for each province.
    I have not lived in Alberta but have always thought it to be PC.

    edit - spelling
    NDP is promising to have an oil royalty review (possibly tax big oil more to extract oil). Have a more progressive tax rate. Raise the corporate tax rate from 10% to 12%. Hire more teachers. Not cut health care. Invest in diversifying our economy. Look at building more oil refineries here in Alberta. Balance the budget by 2018

    Sick of being nickel and dimed with 40 some odd new taxes in this latest budget while giving corporations a free ride with no new taxes.
    If your thinking about moving to Nova Scotia to change your outlook, don't.

    Same shit?
    Different Pile (province)
    Nickel and dimed to death with the vision of quartering and loonying us to death soon.

    Small, slow, no-vision province. It is just content with leaving things the way they have been all along.





  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056
    dignin said:

    dignin - I'm also wondering what accounts for the apparently big difference in voting/polling patterns between Calgary and Edmonton? I've never lived in Alberta so I really have no idea how the areas of the province vary.

    Edmonton has for many years been more progressive than Calgary. I don't really know why. From my observation Calgary is a more white collar town, big oil business, lots of money and wealth. All the big oil companies have their head offices there. Edmonton, a more blue collar town, great cultural city. But I've never lived in Edmonton and have only lived in Calgary for a year and a half, so I don't have a real pulse for the place yet. And the circles I run in are pretty progressive so I'm pretty insulated to what the folks are thinking in the burbs. I think drowned lives in Edmonton? Maybe he would be a better person to answer that question.

    I come from the deep south of southern Alberta. Medicine Hat to be exact. Very conservative, always has been, always will be. It's in the bible belt. I lived in Lethbridge for 10 years and it is a University town. Much more progressive, a lot of public sector jobs... and far more open to the idea of a NDP government.

    Sorry openreading, wish I had a better answer.

    I think you’ve covered most of the reasons I’d come up with. The white vs blue collar is significant – Calgary has more head offices per capita than any city in Canada, and most of those are in O&G. Edmonton is the service hub for the oilfields, while Calgary has the paper pushers. Many of the people who work up north call Edmonton home. The field labourers, along with the fact that the provincial government is located here, means many many more union workers – that’s a big factor in NDP support. The UofA and Grant Macewan are also here (100,000 students) which, along with our bigger cultural/arts/festival scene, contributes to a tendency to lean left.

    Really curious to see how this election plays out. Lots of con fear mongering goin on right now. Never put it past albertans to chicken out on voting ABC, even with the way the polls are looking. But then….there is def serious NDP support around Edmonton. Prentice basically opened his mouth too many times in the lead up to this election.


  • dignin said:

    dignin - I'm also wondering what accounts for the apparently big difference in voting/polling patterns between Calgary and Edmonton? I've never lived in Alberta so I really have no idea how the areas of the province vary.

    Edmonton has for many years been more progressive than Calgary. I don't really know why. From my observation Calgary is a more white collar town, big oil business, lots of money and wealth. All the big oil companies have their head offices there. Edmonton, a more blue collar town, great cultural city. But I've never lived in Edmonton and have only lived in Calgary for a year and a half, so I don't have a real pulse for the place yet. And the circles I run in are pretty progressive so I'm pretty insulated to what the folks are thinking in the burbs. I think drowned lives in Edmonton? Maybe he would be a better person to answer that question.

    I come from the deep south of southern Alberta. Medicine Hat to be exact. Very conservative, always has been, always will be. It's in the bible belt. I lived in Lethbridge for 10 years and it is a University town. Much more progressive, a lot of public sector jobs... and far more open to the idea of a NDP government.

    Sorry openreading, wish I had a better answer.

    I think you’ve covered most of the reasons I’d come up with. The white vs blue collar is significant – Calgary has more head offices per capita than any city in Canada, and most of those are in O&G. Edmonton is the service hub for the oilfields, while Calgary has the paper pushers. Many of the people who work up north call Edmonton home. The field labourers, along with the fact that the provincial government is located here, means many many more union workers – that’s a big factor in NDP support. The UofA and Grant Macewan are also here (100,000 students) which, along with our bigger cultural/arts/festival scene, contributes to a tendency to lean left.

    Really curious to see how this election plays out. Lots of con fear mongering goin on right now. Never put it past albertans to chicken out on voting ABC, even with the way the polls are looking. But then….there is def serious NDP support around Edmonton. Prentice basically opened his mouth too many times in the lead up to this election.


    Drowned

    Do you reside in Alberta?
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