i always wonder why these hosers just don't come clean to begin with? ... i guess they cover up so much shit that doesn't get exposed that it makes it worthwhile ... won't affect his base ... but may lose some of the middle-right ...
I disagree about the base. My old man is a card carrying, donating member of the CONS who is really pissed about this (also from southern Alberta). He is most definitely a representative of his base.
I think this hurts him more than you think.
I agree that Harper and the CONS have done way worse shit than this but he ran on accountability and won. This is the kind of shit that pisses off his base.
I agree that Harper and the CONS have done way worse shit than this but he ran on accountability and won. This is the kind of shit that pisses off his base.
Which is another reason why I don't understand this. Sacrificing one senator and over 90,000 bucks is an easy way to show that you are tough on corruption without having to really do anything. Especially since if you get out in front of this soon enough, it is just some simple slap on the wrist or maybe getting kicked out of the party but remaining a senator.
Instead now we are probably going to be spending millions to investigate $90,000 worth of fraud.
I disagree about the base. My old man is a card carrying, donating member of the CONS who is really pissed about this (also from southern Alberta). He is most definitely a representative of his base.
I think this hurts him more than you think.
I agree that Harper and the CONS have done way worse shit than this but he ran on accountability and won. This is the kind of shit that pisses off his base.
right ... but he's still gonna vote conservative in 2015 i bet ...
to abolish the senate would need a constitutional amendment ... in my quick and very brief search it seems that the senate needs to vote on a constitutional amendment, doubt they would vote to abolish themselves. So as nice abolishment sounds it seems unlikely to happen. Now i'm no where near a constitutional expert and there might be ways around it, but it could get very messy with lots of lawyers involved.
my understanding is that they need to make a constitutional amendment that is backed by at least 7 provinces representing at least 50% of the population ...
I disagree about the base. My old man is a card carrying, donating member of the CONS who is really pissed about this (also from southern Alberta). He is most definitely a representative of his base.
I think this hurts him more than you think.
I agree that Harper and the CONS have done way worse shit than this but he ran on accountability and won. This is the kind of shit that pisses off his base.
right ... but he's still gonna vote conservative in 2015 i bet ...
I agree that Harper and the CONS have done way worse shit than this but he ran on accountability and won. This is the kind of shit that pisses off his base.
Which is another reason why I don't understand this. Sacrificing one senator and over 90,000 bucks is an easy way to show that you are tough on corruption without having to really do anything. Especially since if you get out in front of this soon enough, it is just some simple slap on the wrist or maybe getting kicked out of the party but remaining a senator.
Instead now we are probably going to be spending millions to investigate $90,000 worth of fraud.
I agree, it makes no sense.
This is why you always vote against the incumbent. No politician should be in power this long.
It'd be interesting to see if we could get 7 out of 10 provinces with 50% of the population so the senate can be abolished. Some how I don't think we could.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
sorry ... my bad ... i should have provided one ...
No prob, just couldn't find any news online about it at the time.
Glad Elizabeth May has some company in the house, I really like her. I wish it was under a more ideal circumstance and he was elected as a Green though. I like the story that they sit next to one another already.
OTTAWA - Industry Minister James Moore has apologized for what he admits were insensitive comments about feeding hungry children.
"In response to a question from a reporter last week, I made an insensitive comment that I deeply regret. I apologize," Moore said Monday in a statement posted on his website.
The minister reportedly told a Vancouver radio station that it was not his job to feed "my neighbour's child."
Moore was speaking about the state of child poverty, which has opened the Harper government up to broader criticism.
The NDP called Moore's comments callous and heartless and demanded an apology.
The Liberals accused the government of failing hungry kids and poor families.
"During the holidays many of us are looking to help our neighbours and those in need," NDP critic Jinny Sims said in a statement Monday. "For a Conservative minister to claim that child poverty isn't his problem is heartless.
"Child poverty has continued to grow under this government and now they're saying it's not their problem."
Ralph Goodale, the Liberal deputy leader, said Moore's comments represented one more example of the "scorched-earth policies" of the Harper government.
"Ministers in the Harper cabinet last week tried to wash their hands of the searing statistic that one child in seven in Canada lives in poverty and goes to school every day on an empty stomach," Goodale said in a statement.
"The Conservatives say that's too bad, but it's not their problem — despite two resolutions in Parliament in recent years calling for national action and federal leadership to tackle child poverty."
Moore reportedly told Vancouver radio station News1130 that it was not up to the federal government to ensure children had enough to eat.
"Certainly, we want to make sure that kids go to school full-bellied, but is that always the government's job to be there to serve people their breakfast?" he was quoted as saying.
"Is it my job to feed my neighbour's child? I don't think so," he said.
Initially, Moore appeared to distance himself from the remarks, which set off a wave of criticism on social media.
But on Monday, he issued a statement that backtracked categorically.
"Caring for each other is a Canadian ethic that I strongly believe in — always have and always will. Of course poverty is an issue that concerns me, and concerns all Canadians," he said.
Moore said that "all levels of government, indeed all members of our society" need to show compassion for those in need.
"Great work has been done to tackle poverty and the challenges associated with poverty. And while more work is needed, I know the cause of fighting poverty is not helped by comments like those I made last week.
"For that, I am sorry."
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
i would chalk this up to sounds worse than it really is as he is kind of right in so much as child poverty generally falls under provincial jurisdiction ... and he is industry minister - so, it's not even really close to his portfolio ..
i would chalk this up to sounds worse than it really is as he is kind of right in so much as child poverty generally falls under provincial jurisdiction ... and he is industry minister - so, it's not even really close to his portfolio ..
correct, but the direct quote is:
"Certainly, we want to make sure that kids go to school full-bellied, but is that always the government's job to be there to serve people their breakfast?" he was quoted as saying.
"Is it my job to feed my neighbour's child? I don't think so," he said.
This doesn't sound to me as though he's talking about federal vs provincials jurisdiction issues.....it sounds to me like he doesn't think it's ANY government's job to help the needy. it's a typical conservative mindset. like instead of a federally regulated daycare system, "let's just toss $100 per month at them and hope the women stay home preggers and barefoot like they should be."
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
"Certainly, we want to make sure that kids go to school full-bellied, but is that always the government's job to be there to serve people their breakfast?" he was quoted as saying.
"Is it my job to feed my neighbour's child? I don't think so," he said.
This doesn't sound to me as though he's talking about federal vs provincials jurisdiction issues.....it sounds to me like he doesn't think it's ANY government's job to help the needy. it's a typical conservative mindset. like instead of a federally regulated daycare system, "let's just toss $100 per month at them and hope the women stay home preggers and barefoot like they should be."
for sure - obviously, i'm no fan of the cons ... but he says "is that always the government's job" ... which would indicate that at least it is partially the government's job ...
in any case i don't anticipate much fallout from this ... and we are still almost 2 years away until another election ...
i would chalk this up to sounds worse than it really is as he is kind of right in so much as child poverty generally falls under provincial jurisdiction ... and he is industry minister - so, it's not even really close to his portfolio ..
correct, but the direct quote is:
"Certainly, we want to make sure that kids go to school full-bellied, but is that always the government's job to be there to serve people their breakfast?" he was quoted as saying.
"Is it my job to feed my neighbour's child? I don't think so," he said.
This doesn't sound to me as though he's talking about federal vs provincials jurisdiction issues.....it sounds to me like he doesn't think it's ANY government's job to help the needy. it's a typical conservative mindset. like instead of a federally regulated daycare system, "let's just toss $100 per month at them and hope the women stay home preggers and barefoot like they should be."
Agree.
I don't think anyone is overreacting at all. I also don't think anyone should be demanding an apology. What good is an apology when they meant what they said??
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i would chalk this up to sounds worse than it really is as he is kind of right in so much as child poverty generally falls under provincial jurisdiction ... and he is industry minister - so, it's not even really close to his portfolio ..
Wow ... your kind of defending a conservative ... I kid, but I get what your saying.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Get rid of your cell phone, your cable, and the luxuries that you think you need and put some fucking food in your kids mouth. Don't count on the government unless you've lost your job. Welfare is not employment. Neither is having unplanned kids that you know you can't support. THAT IS WHAT HE SHOULD HAVE SAID!
Yeah, I know people fall on tough times, but.............I'm sure somebody will fill in the rest.
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
Get rid of your cell phone, your cable, and the luxuries that you think you need and put some fucking food in your kids mouth. Don't count on the government unless you've lost your job. Welfare is not employment. Neither is having unplanned kids that you know you can't support. THAT IS WHAT HE SHOULD HAVE SAID!
Yeah, I know people fall on tough times, but.............I'm sure somebody will fill in the rest.
Ya! Fuck those kids for having shitty parents. Those kids should quit whining about being hungry and go get a job!
Get rid of your cell phone, your cable, and the luxuries that you think you need and put some fucking food in your kids mouth. Don't count on the government unless you've lost your job. Welfare is not employment. Neither is having unplanned kids that you know you can't support. THAT IS WHAT HE SHOULD HAVE SAID!
Yeah, I know people fall on tough times, but.............I'm sure somebody will fill in the rest.
Ya! Fuck those kids for having shitty parents. Those kids should quit whining about being hungry and go get a job!
The problem isn't just shitty parents, sorry more and more parents abdicate a lot of their responsibilities onto school. I work with people who have no problem sending their kids off to school to take advantage of the breakfast program that most schools now offer, these are people who can easily afford to feed their own kids but its just easier to let the school do it, and believe me this is not an isolated incident. His statement will not hurt him in the least. I know school teachers who say that more and more parents expect the schools to raise their kids. The shitty parents need to be dealt with in some way by child and youth services and maybe teen parents need mandatory education classes ... i'm not really sure what the solution is.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
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I disagree about the base. My old man is a card carrying, donating member of the CONS who is really pissed about this (also from southern Alberta). He is most definitely a representative of his base.
I think this hurts him more than you think.
I agree that Harper and the CONS have done way worse shit than this but he ran on accountability and won. This is the kind of shit that pisses off his base.
Which is another reason why I don't understand this. Sacrificing one senator and over 90,000 bucks is an easy way to show that you are tough on corruption without having to really do anything. Especially since if you get out in front of this soon enough, it is just some simple slap on the wrist or maybe getting kicked out of the party but remaining a senator.
Instead now we are probably going to be spending millions to investigate $90,000 worth of fraud.
right ... but he's still gonna vote conservative in 2015 i bet ...
my understanding is that they need to make a constitutional amendment that is backed by at least 7 provinces representing at least 50% of the population ...
Maybe, but he may stay home.
I agree, it makes no sense.
This is why you always vote against the incumbent. No politician should be in power this long.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/201 ... t-nothing/
Another nail driven into the coffin of the middle class. if this holds true then its another severe blow to the poor and lower middle class.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Link?
Edit: found one
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/thunder ... -1.2462983
sorry ... my bad ... i should have provided one ...
No prob, just couldn't find any news online about it at the time.
Glad Elizabeth May has some company in the house, I really like her. I wish it was under a more ideal circumstance and he was elected as a Green though. I like the story that they sit next to one another already.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/tory-minister-moore-apologizes-for-saying-it-is-not-his-job-to-feed-hungry-kids-236057151.html
OTTAWA - Industry Minister James Moore has apologized for what he admits were insensitive comments about feeding hungry children.
"In response to a question from a reporter last week, I made an insensitive comment that I deeply regret. I apologize," Moore said Monday in a statement posted on his website.
The minister reportedly told a Vancouver radio station that it was not his job to feed "my neighbour's child."
Moore was speaking about the state of child poverty, which has opened the Harper government up to broader criticism.
The NDP called Moore's comments callous and heartless and demanded an apology.
The Liberals accused the government of failing hungry kids and poor families.
"During the holidays many of us are looking to help our neighbours and those in need," NDP critic Jinny Sims said in a statement Monday. "For a Conservative minister to claim that child poverty isn't his problem is heartless.
"Child poverty has continued to grow under this government and now they're saying it's not their problem."
Ralph Goodale, the Liberal deputy leader, said Moore's comments represented one more example of the "scorched-earth policies" of the Harper government.
"Ministers in the Harper cabinet last week tried to wash their hands of the searing statistic that one child in seven in Canada lives in poverty and goes to school every day on an empty stomach," Goodale said in a statement.
"The Conservatives say that's too bad, but it's not their problem — despite two resolutions in Parliament in recent years calling for national action and federal leadership to tackle child poverty."
Moore reportedly told Vancouver radio station News1130 that it was not up to the federal government to ensure children had enough to eat.
"Certainly, we want to make sure that kids go to school full-bellied, but is that always the government's job to be there to serve people their breakfast?" he was quoted as saying.
"Is it my job to feed my neighbour's child? I don't think so," he said.
Initially, Moore appeared to distance himself from the remarks, which set off a wave of criticism on social media.
But on Monday, he issued a statement that backtracked categorically.
"Caring for each other is a Canadian ethic that I strongly believe in — always have and always will. Of course poverty is an issue that concerns me, and concerns all Canadians," he said.
Moore said that "all levels of government, indeed all members of our society" need to show compassion for those in need.
"Great work has been done to tackle poverty and the challenges associated with poverty. And while more work is needed, I know the cause of fighting poverty is not helped by comments like those I made last week.
"For that, I am sorry."
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
correct, but the direct quote is:
"Certainly, we want to make sure that kids go to school full-bellied, but is that always the government's job to be there to serve people their breakfast?" he was quoted as saying.
"Is it my job to feed my neighbour's child? I don't think so," he said.
This doesn't sound to me as though he's talking about federal vs provincials jurisdiction issues.....it sounds to me like he doesn't think it's ANY government's job to help the needy. it's a typical conservative mindset. like instead of a federally regulated daycare system, "let's just toss $100 per month at them and hope the women stay home preggers and barefoot like they should be."
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
for sure - obviously, i'm no fan of the cons ... but he says "is that always the government's job" ... which would indicate that at least it is partially the government's job ...
in any case i don't anticipate much fallout from this ... and we are still almost 2 years away until another election ...
I don't think anyone is overreacting at all. I also don't think anyone should be demanding an apology. What good is an apology when they meant what they said??
Wow ... your kind of defending a conservative ...
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
gives me cred when I lay into them ...
Yeah, I know people fall on tough times, but.............I'm sure somebody will fill in the rest.
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
Ya! Fuck those kids for having shitty parents. Those kids should quit whining about being hungry and go get a job!
The problem isn't just shitty parents, sorry more and more parents abdicate a lot of their responsibilities onto school. I work with people who have no problem sending their kids off to school to take advantage of the breakfast program that most schools now offer, these are people who can easily afford to feed their own kids but its just easier to let the school do it, and believe me this is not an isolated incident. His statement will not hurt him in the least. I know school teachers who say that more and more parents expect the schools to raise their kids. The shitty parents need to be dealt with in some way by child and youth services and maybe teen parents need mandatory education classes ... i'm not really sure what the solution is.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
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"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/justin-trudeau-to-remove-senators-from-liberal-caucus-1.2515273