Wouldn't it be cool if you could use the sun to recharge your car battery and not use the grid?
I always thought the roof, hood, trunk and side panels should have photovalectic cells embedded. That and regenerative braking could lessen dependence on the grid.
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Weird seeing people complain about gas prices WHEN YOUR CARS ARE HELPING FUCK UP THE PLANET.
Raise the prices. And make people cry in their stupid SUVs
As someone who went out of her way to arrange her life so she could live car free, I agree with this sentiment, specifically when the complainers are people who absolutely could use public transit if they simply chose to. But nooooo, they're addicted to their cars. I understand there are folks who have no option other than a car, but SO many of those whining about it don't actually have to drive.
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Weird seeing people complain about gas prices WHEN YOUR CARS ARE HELPING FUCK UP THE PLANET.
Raise the prices. And make people cry in their stupid SUVs
As someone who went out of her way to arrange her life so she could live car free, I agree with this sentiment, specifically when the complainers are people who absolutely could use public transit if they simply chose to. But nooooo, they're addicted to their cars. I understand there are folks who have no option other than a car, but SO many of those whining about it don't actually have to drive.
Being car free is unrealistic for the average person. Most major cities build out, not up, so it’s too wide spread for really efficient public transit. Riding a city bus 30 or 40 miles that many people do because it’s too expensive to live closer to work would add hours to the commute. There would t be enough time in a day to take kids to practice, games, etc if you had to rely on the public system.
It’s not bad if you’re going to a baseball game or bar hopping, but not very practical for family needs.
Weird seeing people complain about gas prices WHEN YOUR CARS ARE HELPING FUCK UP THE PLANET.
Raise the prices. And make people cry in their stupid SUVs
As someone who went out of her way to arrange her life so she could live car free, I agree with this sentiment, specifically when the complainers are people who absolutely could use public transit if they simply chose to. But nooooo, they're addicted to their cars. I understand there are folks who have no option other than a car, but SO many of those whining about it don't actually have to drive.
Being car free is unrealistic for the average person. Most major cities build out, not up, so it’s too wide spread for really efficient public transit. Riding a city bus 30 or 40 miles that many people do because it’s too expensive to live closer to work would add hours to the commute. There would t be enough time in a day to take kids to practice, games, etc if you had to rely on the public system.
It’s not bad if you’re going to a baseball game or bar hopping, but not very practical for family needs.
Thing is, once someone gets into the mindset that their cars are essential, they then use their cars when it’s not essential, and frankly—as the pandemic has taught us, obesity is a health crisis in the US—they’d be better off if they walked or biked to do some of their errands.
For instance, the grocery stores, restaurants, places geared toward errand runners in general are no farther away from me where I live now than a lot of them were when I lived in Brooklyn (~10 or 15 minutes). And we walked to those places (and much farther!) when we lived in Brooklyn. I fell into the trap of driving to them for a while if I had an errand to run where I live now because that’s what everyone else does, but I started walking to them about a year ago. (If I’m feeling brave, I’ll ride my bike. But I’ve got kids, man. And I think it’s an underground Masshole motorsport to intimidate, injure, and kill cyclists.)
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have backed down from my usual 70mph to 62/63 on cruise. 19 mile freeway commute each way.
my truck , RAM 1500 V-6 , has real time and average mpg. significant difference on the first trip in tracking it from my usual driving habits.
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$5.49 a gallon here but no complaints from me. When we go out, we schedule as many strands as possible in an out, so no going out again and again. We never have had much of a commute and when I have lived in places where I could do so, I've taken buses, street cars, subway, rail, bicycle, and walked. America's car culture needs to end anyway, so let's all get used to driving less!.
The one thing I would most like to see is the revitalization of railroads in America. But are we doing that? Sadly, no. I just earlier today read this in the first 2022 quarterly of Steel Wheels, Magazine of the Western Passenger Train Coalition. a publication of RailPac (Rail Passenger Association of California and Nevada):
"Sooner or later someone will notice there are a lot of commuter trains running with very few seats occupied, and we are shoveling large amounts of money to agencies such as Metrolink and Caltrain simply to keep operations running. Our friend Andrew Selden from Minnesota tells me that there is a serious chance that the Northstar commuter service into the Twin Cities may be permanently discontinued because patronage is so poor." -Paul Dyson, RailPac Editor.
To put it bluntly, this is shameful. Look at most of the rest of the world, particularly Europe. They have extensive rail systems that are fast, safe, and efficient, and with plentiful ridership. America that way, in comparison, looks like a country living in the dark ages. That needs to change. Let's get on board with supporting our rail systems! Doing so would be a big improvement and take us into the 20th century... not to mention the 21 century!
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Weird seeing people complain about gas prices WHEN YOUR CARS ARE HELPING FUCK UP THE PLANET.
Raise the prices. And make people cry in their stupid SUVs
As someone who went out of her way to arrange her life so she could live car free, I agree with this sentiment, specifically when the complainers are people who absolutely could use public transit if they simply chose to. But nooooo, they're addicted to their cars. I understand there are folks who have no option other than a car, but SO many of those whining about it don't actually have to drive.
Being car free is unrealistic for the average person. Most major cities build out, not up, so it’s too wide spread for really efficient public transit. Riding a city bus 30 or 40 miles that many people do because it’s too expensive to live closer to work would add hours to the commute. There would t be enough time in a day to take kids to practice, games, etc if you had to rely on the public system.
It’s not bad if you’re going to a baseball game or bar hopping, but not very practical for family needs.
And I think it’s an underground Masshole motorsport to intimidate, injure, and kill cyclists.)
If I was living and working near or in a city with viable public transit, cutting down on driving would be a good thing. Living in a rural setting, we don't have those options. I do carpool with another person, so I only have to drive every other week. Until the necessary infrastructure is in place to support them, electric cars are not feasible where I live. The closest city that has charging ports is 20 miles away and I think they only have either 2 or 4 charging ports, I am not sure. The cost of having a charging port installed at my house is crazy, and it takes too long to charge a car using normal household electrical service.
Weird seeing people complain about gas prices WHEN YOUR CARS ARE HELPING FUCK UP THE PLANET.
Raise the prices. And make people cry in their stupid SUVs
As someone who went out of her way to arrange her life so she could live car free, I agree with this sentiment, specifically when the complainers are people who absolutely could use public transit if they simply chose to. But nooooo, they're addicted to their cars. I understand there are folks who have no option other than a car, but SO many of those whining about it don't actually have to drive.
Being car free is unrealistic for the average person. Most major cities build out, not up, so it’s too wide spread for really efficient public transit. Riding a city bus 30 or 40 miles that many people do because it’s too expensive to live closer to work would add hours to the commute. There would t be enough time in a day to take kids to practice, games, etc if you had to rely on the public system.
It’s not bad if you’re going to a baseball game or bar hopping, but not very practical for family needs.
Thing is, once someone gets into the mindset that their cars are essential, they then use their cars when it’s not essential, and frankly—as the pandemic has taught us, obesity is a health crisis in the US—they’d be better off if they walked or biked to do some of their errands.
For instance, the grocery stores, restaurants, places geared toward errand runners in general are no farther away from me where I live now than a lot of them were when I lived in Brooklyn (~10 or 15 minutes). And we walked to those places (and much farther!) when we lived in Brooklyn. I fell into the trap of driving to them for a while if I had an errand to run where I live now because that’s what everyone else does, but I started walking to them about a year ago. (If I’m feeling brave, I’ll ride my bike. But I’ve got kids, man. And I think it’s an underground Masshole motorsport to intimidate, injure, and kill cyclists.)
My wife lived in Brooklyn for several years and that’s what she misses, walking everywhere. But she was single and mid 20s. here, we’re a family of 4 and the grocery store is almost 3 miles. Walking 5 to 6 miles round trip for groceries for 4 is unrealistic. Especially if you’re taking a 2 or 3 year old along.
$5.49 a gallon here but no complaints from me. When we go out, we schedule as many strands as possible in an out, so no going out again and again. We never have had much of a commute and when I have lived in places where I could do so, I've taken buses, street cars, subway, rail, bicycle, and walked. America's car culture needs to end anyway, so let's all get used to driving less!.
The one thing I would most like to see is the revitalization of railroads in America. But are we doing that? Sadly, no. I just earlier today read this in the first 2022 quarterly of Steel Wheels, Magazine of the Western Passenger Train Coalition. a publication of RailPac (Rail Passenger Association of California and Nevada):
"Sooner or later someone will notice there are a lot of commuter trains running with very few seats occupied, and we are shoveling large amounts of money to agencies such as Metrolink and Caltrain simply to keep operations running. Our friend Andrew Selden from Minnesota tells me that there is a serious chance that the Northstar commuter service into the Twin Cities may be permanently discontinued because patronage is so poor." -Paul Dyson, RailPac Editor.
To put it bluntly, this is shameful. Look at most of the rest of the world, particularly Europe. They have extensive rail systems that are fast, safe, and efficient, and with plentiful ridership. America that way, in comparison, looks like a country living in the dark ages. That needs to change. Let's get on board with supporting our rail systems! Doing so would be a big improvement and take us into the 20th century... not to mention the 21 century!
But do other countries have the same housing grid and commute that we have? What I mean is, if you look at a city like LA, it’s way too expensive for most people to live in LA who work there. Many people drive 30-60 minutes just to get to work in all directions. I just can’t see a rail system that can cover that much ground and be effective. When I’ve traveled more places resemble something like New York where it’s compact, things are in walking distance, you can live for months without ever being more than a few miles from your house.So a rail or bus system doesn’t need to be too complicated and wouldn’t take hours.
But look at Southern California. People drive 60+ miles from the east in Riverside, drive 40 miles from the south from Orange, drive 60 miles from the north in Lancaster area and 20 miles from the west in Venice to get to their day job in LA. I can’t imagine how complicated that rail system would have to be. And with all the stop, how many hours would that take for the average person? And it’s not just day jobs, it’s medical appointments, specialty shops, etc they have to travel for. Many major cities have similar problems, San Diego, and as I’m sure you’re aware Sacramento, and so on. One thing I haven’t seen much of when I traveled are big houses on 1/3 acre lots. We like our houses and our land, but it means it takes 4 times the area to build a community. Probably a lot more if you can build sky rises like NY.
Weird seeing people complain about gas prices WHEN YOUR CARS ARE HELPING FUCK UP THE PLANET.
Raise the prices. And make people cry in their stupid SUVs
As someone who went out of her way to arrange her life so she could live car free, I agree with this sentiment, specifically when the complainers are people who absolutely could use public transit if they simply chose to. But nooooo, they're addicted to their cars. I understand there are folks who have no option other than a car, but SO many of those whining about it don't actually have to drive.
Being car free is unrealistic for the average person. Most major cities build out, not up, so it’s too wide spread for really efficient public transit. Riding a city bus 30 or 40 miles that many people do because it’s too expensive to live closer to work would add hours to the commute. There would t be enough time in a day to take kids to practice, games, etc if you had to rely on the public system.
It’s not bad if you’re going to a baseball game or bar hopping, but not very practical for family needs.
Thing is, once someone gets into the mindset that their cars are essential, they then use their cars when it’s not essential, and frankly—as the pandemic has taught us, obesity is a health crisis in the US—they’d be better off if they walked or biked to do some of their errands.
For instance, the grocery stores, restaurants, places geared toward errand runners in general are no farther away from me where I live now than a lot of them were when I lived in Brooklyn (~10 or 15 minutes). And we walked to those places (and much farther!) when we lived in Brooklyn. I fell into the trap of driving to them for a while if I had an errand to run where I live now because that’s what everyone else does, but I started walking to them about a year ago. (If I’m feeling brave, I’ll ride my bike. But I’ve got kids, man. And I think it’s an underground Masshole motorsport to intimidate, injure, and kill cyclists.)
My wife lived in Brooklyn for several years and that’s what she misses, walking everywhere. But she was single and mid 20s. here, we’re a family of 4 and the grocery store is almost 3 miles. Walking 5 to 6 miles round trip for groceries for 4 is unrealistic. Especially if you’re taking a 2 or 3 year old along.
I think what you mean to say is that it’s “less convenient”; it is in no way “unrealistic” to walk five or six miles for groceries for a family of four. People do it all the time all over the world. If you have a bike with a basket for carrying your groceries, you might find the drive takes longer than riding a bike, depending on traffic flows where you live.
And unless I’m on single-parent duty, I would never willingly take a kid to the grocery store. That’s never a good time.
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Weird seeing people complain about gas prices WHEN YOUR CARS ARE HELPING FUCK UP THE PLANET.
Raise the prices. And make people cry in their stupid SUVs
As someone who went out of her way to arrange her life so she could live car free, I agree with this sentiment, specifically when the complainers are people who absolutely could use public transit if they simply chose to. But nooooo, they're addicted to their cars. I understand there are folks who have no option other than a car, but SO many of those whining about it don't actually have to drive.
Being car free is unrealistic for the average person. Most major cities build out, not up, so it’s too wide spread for really efficient public transit. Riding a city bus 30 or 40 miles that many people do because it’s too expensive to live closer to work would add hours to the commute. There would t be enough time in a day to take kids to practice, games, etc if you had to rely on the public system.
It’s not bad if you’re going to a baseball game or bar hopping, but not very practical for family needs.
Thing is, once someone gets into the mindset that their cars are essential, they then use their cars when it’s not essential, and frankly—as the pandemic has taught us, obesity is a health crisis in the US—they’d be better off if they walked or biked to do some of their errands.
For instance, the grocery stores, restaurants, places geared toward errand runners in general are no farther away from me where I live now than a lot of them were when I lived in Brooklyn (~10 or 15 minutes). And we walked to those places (and much farther!) when we lived in Brooklyn. I fell into the trap of driving to them for a while if I had an errand to run where I live now because that’s what everyone else does, but I started walking to them about a year ago. (If I’m feeling brave, I’ll ride my bike. But I’ve got kids, man. And I think it’s an underground Masshole motorsport to intimidate, injure, and kill cyclists.)
My wife lived in Brooklyn for several years and that’s what she misses, walking everywhere. But she was single and mid 20s. here, we’re a family of 4 and the grocery store is almost 3 miles. Walking 5 to 6 miles round trip for groceries for 4 is unrealistic. Especially if you’re taking a 2 or 3 year old along.
I think what you mean to say is that it’s “less convenient”; it is in no way “unrealistic” to walk five or six miles for groceries for a family of four. People do it all the time all over the world. If you have a bike with a basket for carrying your groceries, you might find the drive takes longer than riding a bike, depending on traffic flows where you live.
And unless I’m on single-parent duty, I would never willingly take a kid to the grocery store. That’s never a good time.
To me it would be less convenient enough to be unrealistic. The high today is 20 and snowing. The high tomorrow is 25. Yesterday was about 30. If I’m going to walk or bike to the store I’m not buying a week’s worth of groceries either. So I’d be going every 2 or 3 days at least. Sure people do it and it’s possible. But for me that’s unrealistic. Especially in the winter months when it’s already dark and well below the day’s high by the time we get home from work. I’m not walking 5 miles in the dark and snow when it’s 15 degrees to buy enough groceries to last 2 days. I rarely willingly takes kids to the grocery store either, but sometimes it’s unavoidable.
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The tech has been there and sound since 1979. I can think of at least three wars that probably wouldn't happen if the world weren't so dependent on fossil fuels.
Of course, on the plus side, I'm only about three blocks away from the beach, so I'll probably have beachfront property in my lifetime.
The tech has been there and sound since 1979. I can think of at least three wars that probably wouldn't happen if the world weren't so dependent on fossil fuels.
Of course, on the plus side, I'm only about three blocks away from the beach, so I'll probably have beachfront property in my lifetime.
Can’t remember if I saw the whole thing or just parts, but definitely interesting and shocking.
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If I pay someone to deliver groceries, I don’t see how that’s saving gas. And it costs a lot more
Saves you gas.
Saves on gas consumption all around because your order is only one of multiple orders that the delivery driver has stashed in their vehicle.
One, that’s kind of gross if I have raw chicken, ground beef and milk sitting in a car driving around for several deliveries.
But if I shop at multiple stores, and I think many people do, that still doesn’t save gas. I buy dog food and certain items at Costco which is about half a mile down the street from from the grocery store. Which is in the same parking lot as my bank and next door to lowes. Rarely do I go to the grocery store and no where else.
So I just don’t see a delivery service being practical or saving gas for the average person.
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As someone who went out of her way to arrange her life so she could live car free, I agree with this sentiment, specifically when the complainers are people who absolutely could use public transit if they simply chose to. But nooooo, they're addicted to their cars. I understand there are folks who have no option other than a car, but SO many of those whining about it don't actually have to drive.
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-Paul Dyson, RailPac Editor.
here, we’re a family of 4 and the grocery store is almost 3 miles. Walking 5 to 6 miles round trip for groceries for 4 is unrealistic. Especially if you’re taking a 2 or 3 year old along.
When I’ve traveled more places resemble something like New York where it’s compact, things are in walking distance, you can live for months without ever being more than a few miles from your house.So a rail or bus system doesn’t need to be too complicated and wouldn’t take hours.
But look at Southern California. People drive 60+ miles from the east in Riverside, drive 40 miles from the south from Orange, drive 60 miles from the north in Lancaster area and 20 miles from the west in Venice to get to their day job in LA. I can’t imagine how complicated that rail system would have to be. And with all the stop, how many hours would that take for the average person?
And it’s not just day jobs, it’s medical appointments, specialty shops, etc they have to travel for.
Many major cities have similar problems, San Diego, and as I’m sure you’re aware Sacramento, and so on.
One thing I haven’t seen much of when I traveled are big houses on 1/3 acre lots. We like our houses and our land, but it means it takes 4 times the area to build a community. Probably a lot more if you can build sky rises like NY.
And unless I’m on single-parent duty, I would never willingly take a kid to the grocery store. That’s never a good time.
I rarely willingly takes kids to the grocery store either, but sometimes it’s unavoidable.
The tech has been there and sound since 1979. I can think of at least three wars that probably wouldn't happen if the world weren't so dependent on fossil fuels.
Of course, on the plus side, I'm only about three blocks away from the beach, so I'll probably have beachfront property in my lifetime.