New ANnti-Obama Sticker Pulled....

pandora

ComeToTX wrote:

So you'll defend someone's right to believe anything? No matter how outlandish or offensive it might be?

Gotten into to trouble here before about this ...the teacher with the rant on facebook

I will answer honestly ... yes I will defend someone's right to believe what they choose.
That is their opinion, these their core beliefs.
I will do my best not to judge or dislike them because we do not agree
but I may try to persuade


Disclaimer... just in case
we can exclude pedophiles, murderers, etc .... in case someone is going there.
I think one should get my message here.

pandora

polaris_x wrote:

pandora wrote:

might would not be there if I did!

I feel and will defend those who are birthers.... this what I do
the right to one's basic belief and opinions

point ... I'm not judging others who believe he is not a natural born citizen and assuming
they are racists ... that really got me going! ...
defending the right to the basic freedom of belief without harassment and labeling.

Look at the assumptions made at my posts ...

uhhh ... read what you wrote ... you said

pandora wrote:

So you are lumping me with others you call racist and generalizing

this means that you consider yourself a birther ... plain and simple ... if you want to say that you are not - then say so and we will move on ... but to deny that you linked yourself with them is patently false ... this whole "i'm protecting one's right to their belief" is disingenuous to say the least ... at no point in this thread do you accept that obama is born in the US ...

How do you come to the fact I say I am a birther... I am pointing out to that poster
that IF ... I was ie might be he is then lumping me with others and generalizing
calling me a racist.

It was a point to get him to see how incredibly wrong that is.
Because I'm pretty sure people know I am not a racist

and no I do not consider myself a birther... I know nothing on the subject
but I defend the right of others to believe without derogatory name calling and labeling

the conclusion that was being drawn there by that poster I could not support
and had to speak out. To me it was an incredibly prejudice statement and conclusion
of a group of people.... and it was unfounded.

polaris_x

really? ... so, instead of just saying ... you shouldn't generalize and lump all birthers as racists ... you choose to hypothesize that you might be one ... then proceed to defend the virtues of said movement despite the fact its grounded in pure myth ... and now say you know nothing on the subject but yet spend time on this thread talking about the implications of a false birth certificate ...

pandora

ComeToTX wrote:

pandora wrote:

ComeToTX wrote:

Arguing for 4 years over whether our president was born in Kenya or a Muslim also detracts from seriously important problems in this country.

You know what ...
it is an important purple problem if he is not natural born citizen
and is the President of the United States of America.

I would feel this way whatever party he was in.

It would be a huge sign of trickery and dishonesty on whatever level brought him to be in office.
It would be bogus!

No, on this page.

I feel not skeptical I feel it would be a huge problem ... massively huge ...
the hugest ... this no matter which President past present or future.
This the only feeling I have about it. I recognize what it would mean....
and it wouldn't be good.

josevolution

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

absolutely amazing that we can not agree that the bumper sticker is inappropriate, racist, and is the work of a racist, and the people that rock that sticker are racist...

:roll:

Yeah no doubt it really is amazing it is a total racist sticker , and this president has been treated with total racism since day 1 and you have to point a finger at the GOP for at least not stepping up and declaring shit like this to be totally out of line .........Fucking racism alive & well in the good old USA .....

pandora

polaris_x wrote:

really? ... so, instead of just saying ... you shouldn't generalize and lump all birthers as racists ... you choose to hypothesize that you might be one ... then proceed to defend the virtues of said movement despite the fact its grounded in pure myth ... and now say you know nothing on the subject but yet spend time on this thread talking about the implications of a false birth certificate ...

you can laugh but yes ... I really feel it you know

really feel it

I didn't spend anytime on anything other than the fact that birthers were assumed to be racists
that is wrong ... wrong enough to defend.

Never defended what a birther believes only their right to believe without
derogatory name calling and labeling....

I' d do the same for you

maybe someday... hot dog!

cincybearcat

mookeywrench wrote:

Apart from the blatant racism, it's also stupid.

To renege (AKA to go back on or change a deal) would be to vote Republican, to not renege would be to vote for Obama again.

Blatant racism often is.

Johnny Abruzzo

Pandora,

Since you claim you "know nothing about the topic" but are ready to defend the birther movement, have you had a chance to read what polaris & I posted? Maybe then you can be better informed and perhaps no longer indulge these wild-eyed conspiracy theories.

Once again: http://factcheck.org/2008/08/born-in-the-usa/

Factcheck.org is a well respected non-partisan organization that consistently calls out all sides of the political spectrum for having their pants on fire. For example, here is a critique of this year's State of the Union speech: http://www.factcheck.org/2012/01/the-state-of-obamas-facts/

Not exactly a glowing review.

There's blue, there's red, and then there's just plain facts.

pandora

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Pandora,

Since you claim you "know nothing about the topic" but are ready to defend the birther movement, have you had a chance to read what polaris & I posted? Maybe then you can be better informed and perhaps no longer indulge these wild-eyed conspiracy theories.

Once again: http://factcheck.org/2008/08/born-in-the-usa/

Factcheck.org is a well respected non-partisan organization that consistently calls out all sides of the political spectrum for having their pants on fire. For example, here is a critique of this year's State of the Union speech: http://www.factcheck.org/2012/01/the-state-of-obamas-facts/

Not exactly a glowing review.

There's blue, there's red, and then there's just plain facts.

Again... :?

I am not defending the movement I am defending the right to believe
and not have others make assumptions about character...
as the birthers being called racists.

I could be the wizard of fast facts on this subject and I would still be here
defending their right to believe without insult.

It would change nothing in that they should not be assumed to be racists
so even if I knew all the facts I'd still be here doin what I'm doin...
defending their right to believe what they choose
without derogatory name calling and labeling.

thank you very much for the non partial link though ... I will keep that close.

Obama can really give a speech ... eloquent and believable
stirs the heart

Johnny Abruzzo

pandora wrote:

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Pandora,

Since you claim you "know nothing about the topic" but are ready to defend the birther movement, have you had a chance to read what polaris & I posted? Maybe then you can be better informed and perhaps no longer indulge these wild-eyed conspiracy theories.

Once again: http://factcheck.org/2008/08/born-in-the-usa/

Factcheck.org is a well respected non-partisan organization that consistently calls out all sides of the political spectrum for having their pants on fire. For example, here is a critique of this year's State of the Union speech: http://www.factcheck.org/2012/01/the-state-of-obamas-facts/

Not exactly a glowing review.

There's blue, there's red, and then there's just plain facts.

Again... :?

I am not defending the movement I am defending the right to believe
and not have others make assumptions about character...
as the birthers being called racists.

I could be the wizard of fast facts on this subject and I would still be here
defending their right to believe without insult.

It would change nothing in that they should not be assumed to be racists
so even if I knew all the facts I'd still be here doin what I'm doin...
defending their right to believe what they choose
without derogatory name calling and labeling.

thank you very much for the non partial link though ... I will keep that close.

Obama can really give a speech ... eloquent and believable
stirs the heart

I never said birthers were racists - just fact-challenged.

g under p

Pandora, since you have posted my name I have to ask you do you believe President Obama was born in the USA? It's either yes or no....

peace

Wobbie

cincybearcat wrote:

imalive wrote:

whether they'll admit it or not.....I'm convinced a lot of anti-Obama sentiment has race at it's roots.

Yeah, what you feel is far more important than any facts.

you kind of have to go on assumptions with this.....because people who hate Obama for the color of his skin are, by and large, not going to admit it.

pandora

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

pandora wrote:

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Pandora,

Since you claim you "know nothing about the topic" but are ready to defend the birther movement, have you had a chance to read what polaris & I posted? Maybe then you can be better informed and perhaps no longer indulge these wild-eyed conspiracy theories.

Once again: http://factcheck.org/2008/08/born-in-the-usa/

Factcheck.org is a well respected non-partisan organization that consistently calls out all sides of the political spectrum for having their pants on fire. For example, here is a critique of this year's State of the Union speech: http://www.factcheck.org/2012/01/the-state-of-obamas-facts/

Not exactly a glowing review.

There's blue, there's red, and then there's just plain facts.

Again... :?

I am not defending the movement I am defending the right to believe
and not have others make assumptions about character...
as the birthers being called racists.

I could be the wizard of fast facts on this subject and I would still be here
defending their right to believe without insult.

It would change nothing in that they should not be assumed to be racists
so even if I knew all the facts I'd still be here doin what I'm doin...
defending their right to believe what they choose
without derogatory name calling and labeling.

thank you very much for the non partial link though ... I will keep that close.

Obama can really give a speech ... eloquent and believable
stirs the heart

I never said birthers were racists - just fact-challenged.

I know you didn't say it and I got your joke at other people's expense

usamamasan1

Sure are a lot of false acusations and word twisting. No wonder this place becomes such a vaccum of thought. Seems Pandora has to keep explaining how to read.

Why is this thread allowed on here anyway? Positng a racist bumper sticker is OK if you call it racist?

prism

pandora wrote:

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Pandora,

Since you claim you "know nothing about the topic" but are ready to defend the birther movement, have you had a chance to read what polaris & I posted? Maybe then you can be better informed and perhaps no longer indulge these wild-eyed conspiracy theories.

Once again: http://factcheck.org/2008/08/born-in-the-usa/

Factcheck.org is a well respected non-partisan organization that consistently calls out all sides of the political spectrum for having their pants on fire. For example, here is a critique of this year's State of the Union speech: http://www.factcheck.org/2012/01/the-state-of-obamas-facts/

Not exactly a glowing review.

There's blue, there's red, and then there's just plain facts.

Again... :?

I am not defending the movement I am defending the right to believe
and not have others make assumptions about character...
as the birthers being called racists.

I could be the wizard of fast facts on this subject and I would still be here
defending their right to believe without insult.

It would change nothing in that they should not be assumed to be racists
so even if I knew all the facts I'd still be here doin what I'm doin...
defending their right to believe what they choose
without derogatory name calling and labeling.

thank you very much for the non partial link though ... I will keep that close.

Obama can really give a speech ... eloquent and believable
stirs the heart

yet time and again on this thread you've called ppl of differing political ideologies racist...despite that being ridiculous and insulting.

you've continued in some twisted circlular way to still uphold that when it's obvious you don't have any idea what you're saying anymore. the only points you've gotten across is that you contridict yourself so much no one believes what you say

i don't think you or anyone on this board is a racist. you simply want to argue yourself into circles in order to stir shit. spin yourself into a blur since you must have the last word...

pandora

g under p wrote:

Pandora, since you have posted my name I have to ask you do you believe President Obama was born in the USA? It's either yes or no....

peace

I know better than to use names ... I was not thinking and also sorry I misspelled

As I said I have no idea, no opinion
this based in the following...

my heart would love to believe he is just who he says cause the alternative is
very upsetting to me ... the implications of what that truth would mean
not something I want to visualize.

I would put it in the category of President Kennedy's assassination ...
do I really want to know ... no probably not.

Why I can sit in the hot tub for hours on end counting the chemtrails
thinking it makes for a lovely sunset.

pandora

prism wrote:

pandora wrote:

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Pandora,

Since you claim you "know nothing about the topic" but are ready to defend the birther movement, have you had a chance to read what polaris & I posted? Maybe then you can be better informed and perhaps no longer indulge these wild-eyed conspiracy theories.

Once again: http://factcheck.org/2008/08/born-in-the-usa/

Factcheck.org is a well respected non-partisan organization that consistently calls out all sides of the political spectrum for having their pants on fire. For example, here is a critique of this year's State of the Union speech: http://www.factcheck.org/2012/01/the-state-of-obamas-facts/

Not exactly a glowing review.

There's blue, there's red, and then there's just plain facts.

Again... :?

I am not defending the movement I am defending the right to believe
and not have others make assumptions about character...
as the birthers being called racists.

I could be the wizard of fast facts on this subject and I would still be here
defending their right to believe without insult.

It would change nothing in that they should not be assumed to be racists
so even if I knew all the facts I'd still be here doin what I'm doin...
defending their right to believe what they choose
without derogatory name calling and labeling.

thank you very much for the non partial link though ... I will keep that close.

Obama can really give a speech ... eloquent and believable
stirs the heart

yet time and again on this thread you've called ppl of differing political ideologies racist...despite that being ridiculous and insulting.

you've continued in some twisted circlular way to still uphold that when it's obvious you don't have any idea what you're saying anymore. the only points you've gotten across is that you contridict yourself so much no one believes what you say

i don't think you or anyone on this board is a racist. you simply want to argue yourself into circles in order to stir shit. spin yourself into a blur since you must have the last word...

My last word is only why is your post all about me... :?:
again

I think that is against board rules yes?

I posted my definition of racism and said it was my opinion no one needs to agree
but everyone should be nice not insulting or their words might appear
to be founded in some form of prejudice.

kenny olav

usamamasan1 wrote:

Sure are a lot of false acusations and word twisting. No wonder this place becomes such a vaccum of thought. Seems Pandora has to keep explaining how to read.

Why is this thread allowed on here anyway? Positng a racist bumper sticker is OK if you call it racist?

Absolutely it is OK in this context. This should be discussed. I suppose the right would rather it not be exposed.

pandora

hope you don't mean all the right ... I might have get medieval on your hinny

that's a joke sort of

I love Weird Al

g under p

pandora wrote:

g under p wrote:

Pandora, since you have posted my name I have to ask you do you believe President Obama was born in the USA? It's either yes or no....

peace

I know better than to use names ... I was not thinking and also sorry I misspelled

As I said I have no idea, no opinion
this based in the following...

my heart would love to believe he is just who he says cause the alternative is
very upsetting to me ... the implications of what that truth would mean
not something I want to visualize.

I would put it in the category of President Kennedy's assassination ...
do I really want to know ... no probably not.

Why I can sit in the hot tub for hours on end counting the chemtrails
thinking it makes for a lovely sunset.

Thank you for your response....we all believe what we want to believe.

I can just picture myself driving and looking for this kind of hideous sticker since not many have more stickers than I. Interested to know just what kind of person is comfortable enough to drive around their car with something like this on it. WOW. In my darkest of days under Bush II I never would lower myself to something like that...disdain YES, dislike yes...hate NO and it turns out his presidency led to this country voting in someone named Barack Obama born here or NOT.

Peace

Peace