So Biden follows through Tumps plan to pull out and now he gets blasted for it? I'm sure Trump would have been killed for this too.
Everyone as American tax payers should be angry that we spent 20 years there and didn't make a friggin dent.
Yeah it crazy. Biden deserves all the criticism for how the pull out “plan” went. That’s on him.
The crazy thing is if trunk had done this and this was the effect you’d have all the same things being said…just the people saying it would change. In reality, trump was the most right if the recent presidents about Afghanistan. Crazy huh?
there is something seriously wrong with her and MTG
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They hate Democrats far more than they love America. The GQP has irrevocably blurred the line between pundit and elected official.
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So Biden follows through Tumps plan to pull out and now he gets blasted for it? I'm sure Trump would have been killed for this too.
Everyone as American tax payers should be angry that we spent 20 years there and didn't make a friggin dent.
Yeah it crazy. Biden deserves all the criticism for how the pull out “plan” went. That’s on him.
The crazy thing is if trunk had done this and this was the effect you’d have all the same things being said…just the people saying it would change. In reality, trump was the most right if the recent presidents about Afghanistan. Crazy huh?
What do you mean? This was essentially his plan he put in motion last year. I'm willing to be most of the 5,000 Taliban prisoners Trump agreed to release last year are now part of the group that is controlling Kabul. Biden's mistake was following through on Trump's plan.
I still don't understand why we could not have left a thousand or two troops there or withdrawn them down at a much slower pace, considering we have tens of thousands of troops in other places all over the world.
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this was the shit sandwich/poison pill/trap whatever you want to call it set in place by trump because he knew he would not have to deal with it after 1/20/21. he knew he lost, and he was going to salt the ground on the way out.
And yet some think Biden is just as much to blame. Don't you just love that kind of logic?
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So Biden follows through Tumps plan to pull out and now he gets blasted for it? I'm sure Trump would have been killed for this too.
Everyone as American tax payers should be angry that we spent 20 years there and didn't make a friggin dent.
Yeah it crazy. Biden deserves all the criticism for how the pull out “plan” went. That’s on him.
The crazy thing is if trunk had done this and this was the effect you’d have all the same things being said…just the people saying it would change. In reality, trump was the most right if the recent presidents about Afghanistan. Crazy huh?
What do you mean? This was essentially his plan he put in motion last year. I'm willing to be most of the 5,000 Taliban prisoners Trump agreed to release last year are now part of the group that is controlling Kabul. Biden's mistake was following through on Trump's plan.
I still don't understand why we could not have left a thousand or two troops there or withdrawn them down at a much slower pace, considering we have tens of thousands of troops in other places all over the world.
What do I mean? That staying that long was a waste of time, lives and $. That it wasn’t going towards work and how long were we going to stay there to make it work? Very disappointing and I wish leaders were more upfront in regards to the realities all along.
Biden and Trump both had that same thought. Trump started it, something obama promised then failed to do. Biden followed through. He’s fumbling the execution and it deserves criticism and review. But leaving is supported by a vast number of Americans.
In the movies, the US or whatever country would have come in and saved the day and the lives of these Afghans. Movies typically end with situations resolved and usually in a good way. We are trained mentally that good can overpower evil. Reality isn't a movie though. Very sad.
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So Biden follows through Tumps plan to pull out and now he gets blasted for it? I'm sure Trump would have been killed for this too.
Everyone as American tax payers should be angry that we spent 20 years there and didn't make a friggin dent.
Yeah it crazy. Biden deserves all the criticism for how the pull out “plan” went. That’s on him.
The crazy thing is if trunk had done this and this was the effect you’d have all the same things being said…just the people saying it would change. In reality, trump was the most right if the recent presidents about Afghanistan. Crazy huh?
What do you mean? This was essentially his plan he put in motion last year. I'm willing to be most of the 5,000 Taliban prisoners Trump agreed to release last year are now part of the group that is controlling Kabul. Biden's mistake was following through on Trump's plan.
I still don't understand why we could not have left a thousand or two troops there or withdrawn them down at a much slower pace, considering we have tens of thousands of troops in other places all over the world.
What do I mean? That staying that long was a waste of time, lives and $. That it wasn’t going towards work and how long were we going to stay there to make it work? Very disappointing and I wish leaders were more upfront in regards to the realities all along.
Biden and Trump both had that same thought. Trump started it, something obama promised then failed to do. Biden followed through. He’s fumbling the execution and it deserves criticism and review. But leaving is supported by a vast number of Americans.
Yeah yeah, I get all that but you said "Trump was the most right of the recent presidents" when what's happening now was literally his administration's idea plus he gave them back 5,000 of their fighters who most likely played a pivotal role in this weekend's events. Plus he had to be talked about of inviting those fuckers to Camp David on last year's 9/11 anniversary. Fuck that guy.
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The character George W. Bush was a delight. The president and wartime leader, not so much. Think about that. This guy started the longest war in U.S. history. Him! Of all people! I can picture him age 5, looking like Beaver Cleaver dressed as a cowboy, running around the ranch with toy guns shouting “Pa! Imma start a war!” Dumbass.
Taliban allowing 'safe passage' from Kabul in US airlift
By ROBERT BURNS, ELLEN KNICKMEYER and ZEKE MILLER
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WASHINGTON (AP) — The Taliban have agreed to allow “safe passage” from Afghanistan for civilians struggling to join a U.S.-directed airlift from the capital, President Joe Biden's national security adviser said Tuesday, although a timetable for completing the evacuation of Americans, Afghan allies and others has yet to be worked out with the country's new rulers.
Jake Sullivan acknowledged reports that some civilians were encountering resistance — “being turned away or pushed back or even beaten” — as they tried to reach the Kabul international airport. But he said “very large numbers” were reaching the airport and the problem of the others was being taken up with the Taliban, whose stunningly swift takeover of the country on Sunday plunged the U.S. evacuation effort into chaos, confusion and violence.
Pentagon officials said that after interruptions on Monday, the airlift was back on track and being accelerated despite weather problems, amid regular communication with Taliban leaders. Additional U.S. troops arrived and more were on the way, with a total of more than 6,000 expected to be involved in securing the airport in coming days.
The State Department said it was sending John Bass, a former ambassador to Afghanistan, to manage the evacuation operation in Kabul, and the Pentagon said it will send Army Maj. Gen. Christopher Donohue, a special operations officer and current commander of the 82nd Airborne Division, to take command of airport security operations.
Pentagon spokesman John Kirby disclosed that U.S. officers were speaking with Taliban commanders "multiple times a day" about avoiding conflict at the airport. This suggested that the new rulers of Afghanistan, who swept to power after 20 years of war against the U.S.-supported Kabul government, plan not to disrupt the evacuation. Kirby would not discuss details of the Taliban arrangement, and Sullivan said the question of how much time the Taliban will give the evacuation was still being negotiated.
Biden has said he wants the evacuation completed by Aug. 31. Sullivan declined to say whether that deadline would hold.
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its easy to see why the US is no longer capable of finishing missions with positive outcomes. They’ve had months to get those out that needed out…what a clusterfuck
Canada attempt to get those out that need out is also a clusterfuckkkkkk.
Give Peas A Chance…
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By AHMAD SEIR, RAHIM FAIEZ, KATHY GANNON and JOSEPH KRAUSS
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KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — The Taliban violently broke up a protest in eastern Afghanistan on Wednesday, killing at least one person as they quashed a rare public show of dissent. The militant group meanwhile met with former officials from the toppled Western-backed government.
The insurgents' every action in their sudden sweep to power is being watched closely. They insist they have changed and won’t impose the same draconian restrictions they did when they last ruled Afghanistan, all but eliminating women’s rights, carrying out public executions and harboring al-Qaida in the years before the 9/11 attacks.
But many Afghans remain deeply skeptical, and the violent response to Wednesday's protest could only fuel their fears. Thousands are racing to the airport and borders to flee the country. Many others are hiding inside their homes, fearful after prisons and armories were emptied during the insurgents’ blitz across the country.
Dozens of people gathered in the eastern city of Jalalabad to raise the national flag a day before Afghanistan's Independence Day, which commemorates the end of British rule in 1919. They lowered the Taliban flag — a white banner with an Islamic inscription — that the militants have raised in the areas they captured.
Video footage later showed the Taliban firing into the air and attacking people with batons to disperse the crowd. Babrak Amirzada, a reporter for a local news agency, said he and a TV cameraman from another agency were beaten by the Taliban as they tried to cover the unrest.
A local health official said at least one person was killed and six wounded. The official was not authorized to speak to media and so spoke on condition of anonymity.
Meanwhile, videos from the Panjshir Valley north of Kabul, a stronghold of the Northern Alliance militias that allied with the U.S. against the Taliban in 2001, appear to show potential opposition figures gathering there. It's in the only province that hasn't yet fallen to the Taliban.
Those figures include members of the deposed government — Vice President Amrullah Saleh, who asserted on Twitter that he is the country’s rightful president and Defense Minister Gen. Bismillah Mohammadi — as well as Ahmad Massoud, the son of the slain Northern Alliance leader Ahmad Shah Massoud. It's unclear if they intend to challenge to the Taliban, who seized most of the country in a matter of days last week.
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When the cameraman pans around behind himself, you can see two women in the crowd. Otherwise, no women are visible in that eight minute clip other than Clarissa Ward.
All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.
When the cameraman pans around behind himself, you can see two women in the crowd. Otherwise, no women are visible in that eight minute clip other than Clarissa Ward.
The character George W. Bush was a delight. The president and wartime leader, not so much. Think about that. This guy started the longest war in U.S. history. Him! Of all people! I can picture him age 5, looking like Beaver Cleaver dressed as a cowboy, running around the ranch with toy guns shouting “Pa! Imma start a war!” Dumbass.
And he & Cheney knew they wouldn’t have to deal with the end game they knew it would drag on for years so they basically washed their hands of this tragic waste of human lives!
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The crazy thing is if trunk had done this and this was the effect you’d have all the same things being said…just the people saying it would change. In reality, trump was the most right if the recent presidents about Afghanistan. Crazy huh?
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I still don't understand why we could not have left a thousand or two troops there or withdrawn them down at a much slower pace, considering we have tens of thousands of troops in other places all over the world.
-- They're both attention-seeking toddlers, with zero interest in public service.
And yet some think Biden is just as much to blame. Don't you just love that kind of logic?
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WASHINGTON (AP) — The Taliban have agreed to allow “safe passage” from Afghanistan for civilians struggling to join a U.S.-directed airlift from the capital, President Joe Biden's national security adviser said Tuesday, although a timetable for completing the evacuation of Americans, Afghan allies and others has yet to be worked out with the country's new rulers.
Jake Sullivan acknowledged reports that some civilians were encountering resistance — “being turned away or pushed back or even beaten” — as they tried to reach the Kabul international airport. But he said “very large numbers” were reaching the airport and the problem of the others was being taken up with the Taliban, whose stunningly swift takeover of the country on Sunday plunged the U.S. evacuation effort into chaos, confusion and violence.
Pentagon officials said that after interruptions on Monday, the airlift was back on track and being accelerated despite weather problems, amid regular communication with Taliban leaders. Additional U.S. troops arrived and more were on the way, with a total of more than 6,000 expected to be involved in securing the airport in coming days.
The State Department said it was sending John Bass, a former ambassador to Afghanistan, to manage the evacuation operation in Kabul, and the Pentagon said it will send Army Maj. Gen. Christopher Donohue, a special operations officer and current commander of the 82nd Airborne Division, to take command of airport security operations.
Pentagon spokesman John Kirby disclosed that U.S. officers were speaking with Taliban commanders "multiple times a day" about avoiding conflict at the airport. This suggested that the new rulers of Afghanistan, who swept to power after 20 years of war against the U.S.-supported Kabul government, plan not to disrupt the evacuation. Kirby would not discuss details of the Taliban arrangement, and Sullivan said the question of how much time the Taliban will give the evacuation was still being negotiated.
Biden has said he wants the evacuation completed by Aug. 31. Sullivan declined to say whether that deadline would hold.
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Human remains found in landing gear of military flight from Kabul, says U.S. Air Force
its easy to see why the US is no longer capable of finishing missions with positive outcomes. They’ve had months to get those out that needed out…what a clusterfuck
Canada attempt to get those out that need out is also a clusterfuckkkkkk.
KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — The Taliban violently broke up a protest in eastern Afghanistan on Wednesday, killing at least one person as they quashed a rare public show of dissent. The militant group meanwhile met with former officials from the toppled Western-backed government.
The insurgents' every action in their sudden sweep to power is being watched closely. They insist they have changed and won’t impose the same draconian restrictions they did when they last ruled Afghanistan, all but eliminating women’s rights, carrying out public executions and harboring al-Qaida in the years before the 9/11 attacks.
But many Afghans remain deeply skeptical, and the violent response to Wednesday's protest could only fuel their fears. Thousands are racing to the airport and borders to flee the country. Many others are hiding inside their homes, fearful after prisons and armories were emptied during the insurgents’ blitz across the country.
Dozens of people gathered in the eastern city of Jalalabad to raise the national flag a day before Afghanistan's Independence Day, which commemorates the end of British rule in 1919. They lowered the Taliban flag — a white banner with an Islamic inscription — that the militants have raised in the areas they captured.
Video footage later showed the Taliban firing into the air and attacking people with batons to disperse the crowd. Babrak Amirzada, a reporter for a local news agency, said he and a TV cameraman from another agency were beaten by the Taliban as they tried to cover the unrest.
A local health official said at least one person was killed and six wounded. The official was not authorized to speak to media and so spoke on condition of anonymity.
Meanwhile, videos from the Panjshir Valley north of Kabul, a stronghold of the Northern Alliance militias that allied with the U.S. against the Taliban in 2001, appear to show potential opposition figures gathering there. It's in the only province that hasn't yet fallen to the Taliban.
Those figures include members of the deposed government — Vice President Amrullah Saleh, who asserted on Twitter that he is the country’s rightful president and Defense Minister Gen. Bismillah Mohammadi — as well as Ahmad Massoud, the son of the slain Northern Alliance leader Ahmad Shah Massoud. It's unclear if they intend to challenge to the Taliban, who seized most of the country in a matter of days last week.
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