Judge not

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    hedonist wrote:
    I have to thank you all (Beavers and inlet, yes! Excellent points).

    It's one of the aspects of this place that I love...may not agree but want - need - to get different perspectives. The old "knowledge is a tree" thing. It helps me.

    And brianlux, I hear ya. I feel that sometimes about myself - the bullshit thing. Then again, you can't go wrong with honesty (well, you can, but...you know what I mean).

    I think you're right, hedonist- it is best to be honest. Sometimes better to say nothing but if we say something it's best when honest.

    Thanks also, Jeanwah, for words of confidence. :)
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    I was really hurt at first when I learned of the dishonesty here in my home away from home
    until my kids put it in perspective for me.

    It is the internet... it is hidden...
    people can be whomever they want, they can try to hurt whomever they want.

    They can fool others but not themselves so in the end they are just fakes,
    both here and in the real world.

    This they learned from their own experiences and helped me through mine.

    Kids are awesome! :D well unless they are out there being superfakes :lol:
    wonder who they learned that from ;)
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    You are all things. Denying, rejecting, judging or hiding from any aspect of your total being creates pain and results in a lack of wholeness.

    Joy Page
  • EmBleve
    EmBleve Posts: 3,019
    pandora wrote:

    They can fool others but not themselves so in the end they are just fakes,
    both here and in the real world.
    :clap: Seen that alot..not just here but other places, too.
  • kellanazzie
    kellanazzie Posts: 1,484
    EmBleve wrote:
    pandora wrote:

    They can fool others but not themselves so in the end they are just fakes,
    both here and in the real world.
    :clap: Seen that alot..not just here but other places, too.

    +1
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    pandora wrote:
    I was really hurt at first when I learned of the dishonesty here in my home away from home
    until my kids put it in perspective for me.

    It is the internet... it is hidden...
    people can be whomever they want, they can try to hurt whomever they want.

    They can fool others but not themselves so in the end they are just fakes,
    both here and in the real world.

    This they learned from their own experiences and helped me through mine.

    Kids are awesome! :D well unless they are out there being superfakes :lol:
    wonder who they learned that from ;)
    Hi, Pandora - I'm not sure what prompted this, but if you want to elaborate, please do. I'm curious.

    I think the internet is whatever you want it to be and whatever of yourself you give; yes, we're hidden physically by design, but the self usually comes through (for better or worse). I don't do the facebook or twitter thing - this is about the only forum in which I participate. I do my best to be candid here in the open, as well as with myself. Again, for better or worse.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    hedonist wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    I was really hurt at first when I learned of the dishonesty here in my home away from home
    until my kids put it in perspective for me.

    It is the internet... it is hidden...
    people can be whomever they want, they can try to hurt whomever they want.

    They can fool others but not themselves so in the end they are just fakes,
    both here and in the real world.

    This they learned from their own experiences and helped me through mine.

    Kids are awesome! :D well unless they are out there being superfakes :lol:
    wonder who they learned that from ;)
    Hi, Pandora - I'm not sure what prompted this, but if you want to elaborate, please do. I'm curious.

    I think the internet is whatever you want it to be and whatever of yourself you give; yes, we're hidden physically by design, but the self usually comes through (for better or worse). I don't do the facebook or twitter thing - this is about the only forum in which I participate. I do my best to be candid here in the open, as well as with myself. Again, for better or worse.
    I too do not facebook or twitter this is all I can keep up with :lol:

    I would not want to spoil anyone's fun. I am a fun loving gal but never at the expense
    of another's heart. This can not be said for all though.

    For better or worse ... I took those vows and I have been one of the lucky ones
    which brings me to appreciate love all the more.

    Anyone for a game of love :D
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    EmBleve wrote:
    pandora wrote:

    They can fool others but not themselves so in the end they are just fakes,
    both here and in the real world.
    :clap: Seen that alot..not just here but other places, too.
    :wave: :thumbup: :D
  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    pandora wrote:

    I was really hurt at first when I learned of the dishonesty here in my home away from home
    until my kids put it in perspective for me.

    It is the internet... it is hidden...
    people can be whomever they want, they can try to hurt whomever they want.

    They can fool others but not themselves so in the end they are just fakes,
    both here and in the real world.
    I think rather than focusing on others, focusing within is where we make progress.

    Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.
    Eleanor Roosevelt

    and another great quote by this great lady:

    No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
    Eleanor Roosevelt
  • EmBleve
    EmBleve Posts: 3,019
    Jeanwah wrote:
    focusing within is where we make progress.
    Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.
    Eleanor Roosevelt

    and another great quote by this great lady:

    No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
    Eleanor Roosevelt
    I completely agree with you!! Definitely most important to look inward, reflect. Awesome quotes!
  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    EmBleve wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    focusing within is where we make progress.
    Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.
    Eleanor Roosevelt

    and another great quote by this great lady:

    No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
    Eleanor Roosevelt
    I completely agree with you!! Definitely most important to look inward, reflect. Awesome quotes!

    :thumbup: :)
  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    edited February 2012
    There is a difference between
    MAKING JUDGEMENTS

    and

    ***PASSING*** JUDGEMENT

    In fact, the message of Jesus largely ENCOURAGES you to make correct or "godly" judgements,
    but emphatically discourages PASSING judgement on anyone.

    There is nothing wrong with learning from the misdeeds of those around you. It is healthy to learn from the mistakes and "wrongs" of others, just as it is healthy to learn from your own misdeeds and mistakes.

    What the philosophy of Jesus points out as hypocritical and unforgivable is to PASS judgement.
    You can acknowledge that someone did wrong, but you must recognize that everyone has their own path back to god (eventually). While that person may be in a stage of doing wrong and not yet to the stage of acknowledging their own wrong, much less repenting for it or working to karmically recompense the world for that wrong, it is still that person's soul that must "turn the leaf", and your own concern to worry about turning your own.

    We are all at different stages along our own different path; we must all recognize this fact and work to help each other, not damn the other.
    Post edited by DriftingByTheStorm on
    If I was to smile and I held out my hand
    If I opened it now would you not understand?
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    There are a lot of people who are doing wonderful things, quietly, with no motive of greed, or hostility toward other people, or delusions of superiority.

    Charles Kuralt

    :D
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    There is a difference between
    MAKING JUDGEMENTS

    and

    ***PASSING*** JUDGEMENT

    In fact, the message of Jesus largely ENCOURAGES you to make correct or "godly" judgements,
    but emphatically discourages PASSING judgement on anyone.

    There is nothing wrong with learning from the misdeeds of those around you. It is healthy to learn from the mistakes and "wrongs" of others, just as it is healthy to learn from your own misdeeds and mistakes.

    What the philosophy of Jesus points out as hypocritical and unforgivable is to PASS judgement.
    You can acknowledge that someone did wrong, but you must recognize that everyone has their own path back to god (eventually). While that person may be in a stage of doing wrong and not yet to the stage of acknowledging their own wrong, much less repenting for it or working to karmically recompense the world for that wrong, it is still that person's soul that must "turn the leaf", and you own concern to worry about turning your own.

    We are all at different stages along our own different path; we must all recognize this fact and work to help each other, not damn the other.
    this is a beautiful post ... I'm keeping it to remember

    thank you! :D
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Jeanwah, I love that second Eleanor quote...similar to being taken advantage of, I think.

    Drifting, thank you; makes sense (as do many of your posts). Kinda like my mom has told me - "Where do you learn good manners? From people with bad manners."
  • USARAY
    USARAY Posts: 517
    Jeanwah wrote:
    I think rather than focusing on others, focusing within is where we make progress.
    individual progress even questionable in a me me me world
    focusing on connection and interaction brings the most growth
  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    squirt wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    I think rather than focusing on others, focusing within is where we make progress.
    individual progress even questionable in a me me me world
    focusing on connection and interaction brings the most growth

    True! But starting within gets one healthy enough to then focus on connections outward.
  • USARAY
    USARAY Posts: 517
    Jeanwah wrote:
    squirt wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    I think rather than focusing on others, focusing within is where we make progress.
    individual progress even questionable in a me me me world
    focusing on connection and interaction brings the most growth

    True! But starting within gets one healthy enough to then focus on connections outward.
    not for the me me me people they just remain there :lol:
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    All through the day, I me mine, I me mine, I me mine.

    I don't condone overfeeding the ego (like me on facebook! follow me on twitter!), but I think there has to be a good amount of focus on oneself...you know, getting your own shit together before taking on other shit, better shit. Although, taking on the additional shit can also help get your own shit together.
  • USARAY
    USARAY Posts: 517
    right give me the shit of others anyday feel the real me

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