Judge not

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  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    he still stands wrote:
    where's all the christians?

    "judge not lest ye be judged"

    “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?"

    (Matthew 7)

    (a good book with sound advice isn't to be thrown in the trash heap... although i don't agree with 100% of the bible and I'm not a christian)
    if we make it a religious thread it might get shut down and I think OP wasn't on that route
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    edited February 2012
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    redrock Posts: 18,341
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  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    edited February 2012
    Edited. Though not completely deleted. Needed to get a message across.

    Let's just stop it here. Now. Don't start your little games. Take it to PM if you want.

    Sorry guys. Sorry OP. This thread was not meant to be derailed.
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  • he still stands
    he still stands Posts: 2,835
    pandora wrote:
    he still stands wrote:
    where's all the christians?

    "judge not lest ye be judged"

    “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?"

    (Matthew 7)

    (a good book with sound advice isn't to be thrown in the trash heap... although i don't agree with 100% of the bible and I'm not a christian)
    if we make it a religious thread it might get shut down and I think OP wasn't on that route

    we can't even quote the bible? i'm not making this religious... just quoting a book.
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • he still stands
    he still stands Posts: 2,835
    "those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind." - the good doctor
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • he still stands
    he still stands Posts: 2,835
    redrock wrote:
    hedonist wrote:
    I've learned - tried - to not place much weight on the opinions of others, save for those whose opinions DO hold weight, which do matter...to me.

    Exactly.

    meh. no. i don't care what my mother thinks. i love her to freakin' death, but if she doesn't approve, that doesn't bother me. i'll still love her unconditionally.

    my life and my actions are not for others' approval. NO ONE. i do things the way i do them for my own reasons, and i think almost all of them are selfless and "good" by any definition. so, by living by my own ideals, i naturally have the acceptance of others (which doesn't matter).
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    he still stands wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    he still stands wrote:
    where's all the christians?

    "judge not lest ye be judged"

    “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?"

    (Matthew 7)

    (a good book with sound advice isn't to be thrown in the trash heap... although i don't agree with 100% of the bible and I'm not a christian)
    if we make it a religious thread it might get shut down and I think OP wasn't on that route

    we can't even quote the bible? i'm not making this religious... just quoting a book.
    I liked the quote I don't know many ...
    I might just be thinking eggshells after a few were locked
    and that might be wrong of me to do so
  • he still stands
    he still stands Posts: 2,835
    pandora wrote:
    I liked the quote I don't know many ...
    I might just be thinking eggshells after a few were locked
    and that might be wrong of me to do so

    no problem. i don't think it should be forbidden to simply quote the book. but i agree, let's not make this about "god." it is about human psychology.
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    The worse judgment of all is to withhold love...
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    First, redrock...s'ok, and no worries here. I get it.

    And see, he still stands...I get it too, what you said. I care about, and value, my mom's opinion...but at this point in my life, it doesn't guide me (she's already laid that foundation).

    I respect it though - it affects me (and damnitall when I allow selfimposed guilt to make its way in - but that's a mother-daughter thing, not really applicable for me in day-to-day life).
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    he still stands wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    hedonist wrote:
    I've learned - tried - to not place much weight on the opinions of others, save for those whose opinions DO hold weight, which do matter...to me.

    Exactly.

    meh. no. i don't care what my mother thinks. i love her to freakin' death, but if she doesn't approve, that doesn't bother me. i'll still love her unconditionally.

    my life and my actions are not for others' approval. NO ONE. i do things the way i do them for my own reasons, and i think almost all of them are selfless and "good" by any definition. so, by living by my own ideals, i naturally have the acceptance of others (which doesn't matter).

    I don't think it's a question of approval/acceptance, more of guidance maybe? If someone I respect greatly would tell me, for example, don't wear orange - doesn't look good on you, I would probably take the comment into consideration but still make up my own mind. If someone in the street told me orange looked crap on me, I really wouldn't care. Bad example, I know but it's just to show that some judgements/opinions can be valuable. Again, you take the info, digest it and regurgitate as you wish.
  • he still stands
    he still stands Posts: 2,835
    hedonist wrote:
    First, redrock...s'ok, and no worries here. I get it.

    And see, he still stands...I get it too, what you said. I care about, and value, my mom's opinion...but at this point in my life, it doesn't guide me (she's already laid that foundation).

    I respect it though - it affects me (and damnitall when I allow selfimposed guilt to make its way in - but that's a mother-daughter thing, not really applicable for me in day-to-day life).

    yeah, i do care about my mom's opinion. i'm not saying that i don't value what she thinks... i'm just saying i don't let that determine my life's actions. i certainly can listen to anyone's advice and if it is sound, i'll run with it. i'm just saying that *unsolicited* judgment is meaningless to me.

    and yeah, the self-imposed guilt thing creeps in all the time. it is the psychological imprinting of when you were a child - the archetypes of parental/moral responsibility. that is mostly a good thing i think, if not i think it is possible to recreate these imprints that are undesirable.
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    hedonist wrote:
    .....(and damnitall when I allow selfimposed guilt to make its way in - but that's a mother-daughter thing, ....

    :lol::lol: That will ring a bell for a lot of ladies that still have their mother!
  • EmBleve
    EmBleve Posts: 3,019
    redrock wrote:
    hedonist wrote:
    .....(and damnitall when I allow selfimposed guilt to make its way in - but that's a mother-daughter thing, ....

    :lol::lol: That will ring a bell for a lot of ladies that still have their mother!
    yep, it does! :D
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    And those who wish she was still here ...

    Moms are the greatest and most think they know their children oh so well

    and most don't judge

    Moms the closest to God's love :D
  • EmBleve
    EmBleve Posts: 3,019
    pandora wrote:
    And those who wish she was still here ...

    Moms are the greatest and most think they know their children oh so well

    and most don't judge

    Moms the closest to God's love :D
    nothing like the moms!!
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    EmBleve wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    And those who wish she was still here ...

    Moms are the greatest and most think they know their children oh so well

    and most don't judge

    Moms the closest to God's love :D
    nothing like the moms!!
    I always knew I loved and needed mine of course but now that she is gone ...
    I'd give anything for one of her hugs and a few encouraging words again!
  • EmBleve
    EmBleve Posts: 3,019
    sadly, I think that judgments happen all the time, and as someone else said, it is human nature. I think it sucks though when/if it is based on ignorant stereotypes or generalizations. I try not to be judgmental, but sometimes it happens, and often I find that I was wrong once I get to know the person better (and it seems that first impressions are almost never what they seem). I do, however, think that 'judgments' and 'intuition' are not the same thing.
  • kellanazzie
    kellanazzie Posts: 1,484
    hedonist wrote:
    So I ask, is this possible?

    I think its a good reflective question. Isn't there always someone saying to you, "Well, why did you do that?" "Why didn't you do this?" So very easy for someone else to run your life or make your decisions or to question the way you do things. I always reply "Wow, I wish my life could run as easily as you seem to think it should."
    We don't know what lies behind closed doors, most people hide pain well or unhappiness. One makes a decision & then has to live with it & all of the domino aspects right? Maybe some judge others because they don't want to delve too deeply into themselves. Well geez, now I'm thinking on my day-off :lol: But thats ok, don't judge me ;)

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