I have to thank you all (Beavers and inlet, yes! Excellent points).
It's one of the aspects of this place that I love...may not agree but want - need - to get different perspectives. The old "knowledge is a tree" thing. It helps me.
And brianlux, I hear ya. I feel that sometimes about myself - the bullshit thing. Then again, you can't go wrong with honesty (well, you can, but...you know what I mean).
I think you're right, hedonist- it is best to be honest. Sometimes better to say nothing but if we say something it's best when honest.
Thanks also, Jeanwah, for words of confidence.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
I was really hurt at first when I learned of the dishonesty here in my home away from home
until my kids put it in perspective for me.
It is the internet... it is hidden...
people can be whomever they want, they can try to hurt whomever they want.
They can fool others but not themselves so in the end they are just fakes,
both here and in the real world.
This they learned from their own experiences and helped me through mine.
Kids are awesome! well unless they are out there being superfakes
wonder who they learned that from
Hi, Pandora - I'm not sure what prompted this, but if you want to elaborate, please do. I'm curious.
I think the internet is whatever you want it to be and whatever of yourself you give; yes, we're hidden physically by design, but the self usually comes through (for better or worse). I don't do the facebook or twitter thing - this is about the only forum in which I participate. I do my best to be candid here in the open, as well as with myself. Again, for better or worse.
I was really hurt at first when I learned of the dishonesty here in my home away from home
until my kids put it in perspective for me.
It is the internet... it is hidden...
people can be whomever they want, they can try to hurt whomever they want.
They can fool others but not themselves so in the end they are just fakes,
both here and in the real world.
This they learned from their own experiences and helped me through mine.
Kids are awesome! well unless they are out there being superfakes
wonder who they learned that from
Hi, Pandora - I'm not sure what prompted this, but if you want to elaborate, please do. I'm curious.
I think the internet is whatever you want it to be and whatever of yourself you give; yes, we're hidden physically by design, but the self usually comes through (for better or worse). I don't do the facebook or twitter thing - this is about the only forum in which I participate. I do my best to be candid here in the open, as well as with myself. Again, for better or worse.
I too do not facebook or twitter this is all I can keep up with
I would not want to spoil anyone's fun. I am a fun loving gal but never at the expense
of another's heart. This can not be said for all though.
For better or worse ... I took those vows and I have been one of the lucky ones
which brings me to appreciate love all the more.
In fact, the message of Jesus largely ENCOURAGES you to make correct or "godly" judgements,
but emphatically discourages PASSING judgement on anyone.
There is nothing wrong with learning from the misdeeds of those around you. It is healthy to learn from the mistakes and "wrongs" of others, just as it is healthy to learn from your own misdeeds and mistakes.
What the philosophy of Jesus points out as hypocritical and unforgivable is to PASS judgement.
You can acknowledge that someone did wrong, but you must recognize that everyone has their own path back to god (eventually). While that person may be in a stage of doing wrong and not yet to the stage of acknowledging their own wrong, much less repenting for it or working to karmically recompense the world for that wrong, it is still that person's soul that must "turn the leaf", and your own concern to worry about turning your own.
We are all at different stages along our own different path; we must all recognize this fact and work to help each other, not damn the other.
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If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
There are a lot of people who are doing wonderful things, quietly, with no motive of greed, or hostility toward other people, or delusions of superiority.
In fact, the message of Jesus largely ENCOURAGES you to make correct or "godly" judgements,
but emphatically discourages PASSING judgement on anyone.
There is nothing wrong with learning from the misdeeds of those around you. It is healthy to learn from the mistakes and "wrongs" of others, just as it is healthy to learn from your own misdeeds and mistakes.
What the philosophy of Jesus points out as hypocritical and unforgivable is to PASS judgement.
You can acknowledge that someone did wrong, but you must recognize that everyone has their own path back to god (eventually). While that person may be in a stage of doing wrong and not yet to the stage of acknowledging their own wrong, much less repenting for it or working to karmically recompense the world for that wrong, it is still that person's soul that must "turn the leaf", and you own concern to worry about turning your own.
We are all at different stages along our own different path; we must all recognize this fact and work to help each other, not damn the other.
this is a beautiful post ... I'm keeping it to remember
Jeanwah, I love that second Eleanor quote...similar to being taken advantage of, I think.
Drifting, thank you; makes sense (as do many of your posts). Kinda like my mom has told me - "Where do you learn good manners? From people with bad manners."
All through the day, I me mine, I me mine, I me mine.
I don't condone overfeeding the ego (like me on facebook! follow me on twitter!), but I think there has to be a good amount of focus on oneself...you know, getting your own shit together before taking on other shit, better shit. Although, taking on the additional shit can also help get your own shit together.
All through the day, I me mine, I me mine, I me mine.
I don't condone overfeeding the ego (like me on facebook! follow me on twitter!), but I think there has to be a good amount of focus on oneself...you know, getting your own shit together before taking on other shit, better shit. Although, taking on the additional shit can also help get your own shit together.
makes sense...and if i read this at facebook, i'd be able to "like" it.
I've used the expression before (and mistakenly thought I abided by it), but as I get older and wisdom adheres - I hope - in reality, do we not live our life and make decisions based on judgments?
Of others - and ourselves?
Whether based on experience, on instinct, what have you.
I do.
Some conclusions drawn mean nothing in the long run; others make you think "hmmm, not sure about this person, this deed - keep away" or "yeah, a good egg".
Thinking about a whole lot of nothing this morning, I suppose.
...
I'm judged by people all the time. I suppose I bring it on myself at times because I say what I believe as truthfully as I see it. It doesn't always come out all unicorns pissing rainbows and love, love, love... but, at least it the relative truth, as I see it.
And yeah, i judge others. If people are full of shit or dicks and assholes, I tend to edit them from my life. Life is too short to have to deal with crap from people I really don't give a shit about. I don't love everybody and don't want or expect everybody to love me. I am certain that I am edited out of other people's live who don't want to deal with my crap... and hell, I don't blame them.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
There certainly will always be jags... the self centered who live in a self world.
See them everyday on the roads, in the stores, on the news, everywhere.
I like to think though that many don't realize what they do,
that their actions are not always out of a bad place.
I figure they have life's problems and disappointments, that many were not taught
from small on the Golden Rule, that somehow their brains are wired to really
not think of other's feelings.
Perhaps those who are quick to judge and not give any benefit of the doubt to others
can actually learn as much as those jags about being loving and accepting.
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I think you're right, hedonist- it is best to be honest. Sometimes better to say nothing but if we say something it's best when honest.
Thanks also, Jeanwah, for words of confidence.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
until my kids put it in perspective for me.
It is the internet... it is hidden...
people can be whomever they want, they can try to hurt whomever they want.
They can fool others but not themselves so in the end they are just fakes,
both here and in the real world.
This they learned from their own experiences and helped me through mine.
Kids are awesome!
wonder who they learned that from
Joy Page
+1
I think the internet is whatever you want it to be and whatever of yourself you give; yes, we're hidden physically by design, but the self usually comes through (for better or worse). I don't do the facebook or twitter thing - this is about the only forum in which I participate. I do my best to be candid here in the open, as well as with myself. Again, for better or worse.
I would not want to spoil anyone's fun. I am a fun loving gal but never at the expense
of another's heart. This can not be said for all though.
For better or worse ... I took those vows and I have been one of the lucky ones
which brings me to appreciate love all the more.
Anyone for a game of love
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.
Eleanor Roosevelt
and another great quote by this great lady:
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
:thumbup:
MAKING JUDGEMENTS
and
***PASSING*** JUDGEMENT
In fact, the message of Jesus largely ENCOURAGES you to make correct or "godly" judgements,
but emphatically discourages PASSING judgement on anyone.
There is nothing wrong with learning from the misdeeds of those around you. It is healthy to learn from the mistakes and "wrongs" of others, just as it is healthy to learn from your own misdeeds and mistakes.
What the philosophy of Jesus points out as hypocritical and unforgivable is to PASS judgement.
You can acknowledge that someone did wrong, but you must recognize that everyone has their own path back to god (eventually). While that person may be in a stage of doing wrong and not yet to the stage of acknowledging their own wrong, much less repenting for it or working to karmically recompense the world for that wrong, it is still that person's soul that must "turn the leaf", and your own concern to worry about turning your own.
We are all at different stages along our own different path; we must all recognize this fact and work to help each other, not damn the other.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Charles Kuralt
thank you!
Drifting, thank you; makes sense (as do many of your posts). Kinda like my mom has told me - "Where do you learn good manners? From people with bad manners."
focusing on connection and interaction brings the most growth
True! But starting within gets one healthy enough to then focus on connections outward.
I don't condone overfeeding the ego (like me on facebook! follow me on twitter!), but I think there has to be a good amount of focus on oneself...you know, getting your own shit together before taking on other shit, better shit. Although, taking on the additional shit can also help get your own shit together.
makes sense...and if i read this at facebook, i'd be able to "like" it.
I'm judged by people all the time. I suppose I bring it on myself at times because I say what I believe as truthfully as I see it. It doesn't always come out all unicorns pissing rainbows and love, love, love... but, at least it the relative truth, as I see it.
And yeah, i judge others. If people are full of shit or dicks and assholes, I tend to edit them from my life. Life is too short to have to deal with crap from people I really don't give a shit about. I don't love everybody and don't want or expect everybody to love me. I am certain that I am edited out of other people's live who don't want to deal with my crap... and hell, I don't blame them.
Hail, Hail!!!
See them everyday on the roads, in the stores, on the news, everywhere.
I like to think though that many don't realize what they do,
that their actions are not always out of a bad place.
I figure they have life's problems and disappointments, that many were not taught
from small on the Golden Rule, that somehow their brains are wired to really
not think of other's feelings.
Perhaps those who are quick to judge and not give any benefit of the doubt to others
can actually learn as much as those jags about being loving and accepting.