legalize drugs ?????

peacefrompaul

pandora wrote:

peacefrompaul wrote:

pandora wrote:

So you do not think there should be laws protecting society from dangerous things? :?

No, I just don't think people are inherently stupid.

So you do believe there should be laws protecting people from dangerous things ...
me too.

And no it is not stupidity that gets a kid hooked on meth
although some might say lack of good common sense.
But some kids hardly stand a chance.
Then add the fact that the human brain doesn't understand consequence until 25 years of age
and many kids think they are bulletproof until after the fact ...
we have a recipe for a lost life.

I was all for decriminalizing pot until the all drugs legal thing started.
I have found I am not alone. Time to rethink.

Pot isn't the gateway drug but it is the gateway to legalizing all drugs unfortunately.
All drugs legal = a crazy bad idea. :fp:

If an action can put another, other than oneself, in danger... Then yes, there should be regulations on it.

Shooting up and chilling in my living room: Not harming others

Smoking crack in my living room: Not harming others

Dropping acid and sitting in a park: Not hurting anyone

Smoking a joint on my front porch: Nobody is hurt.

Please though, continue your fight against personal freedom.

riotgrl

Perhaps if we spent less money fighting against drug users then we could use that money to combat the real problems caused by real drug abuse. You know, the mom that is hooked on alcohol and drugs and refuses to get help for her bipolar disorder. Her kids are continually given back to her because the social work system is so overworked that there are other kids in far worse shape than hers. Decriminalize drugs and get the distributors NOT the users. She is hurting her kids so they should be taken them away from her but the very money that we need to do that is going to fight the war against drugs (users!). Smoking meth? Selling meth? Probably because you live in a place like Appalachian Kentucky where there are no jobs except in the coal mine or selling drugs. Where is capitalism when you need it? Right, we need jobs especially in these poor areas and we get nada! So you have people turning to illegal means perhaps if we reroute that money from worthless programs we could improve education and job skill training :fp:

On another note, I hosted German exchange students a couple of years ago. They are able to drink wine and beer at 14 and hard liquor at 16. Incidence of alcoholism and drug abuse are far lower in countries that EDUCATE their kids at an early age and don't make drinking and drugs enticing because it is illicit! Perhaps if Americans weren't so Puritanical in all things "fun" then we might not create kids who "can't wait to get wasted" on the weekends. Hell, how many adults can't wait to do that on the weekends too? The ramifications of drug use actually encompass a whole host of problems within American society that most of us are unwilling to address but that seems like a very deep and philosophical discussion

pandora

peacefrompaul wrote:

pandora wrote:

So you do believe there should be laws protecting people from dangerous things ...
me too.

And no it is not stupidity that gets a kid hooked on meth
although some might say lack of good common sense.
But some kids hardly stand a chance.
Then add the fact that the human brain doesn't understand consequence until 25 years of age
and many kids think they are bulletproof until after the fact ...
we have a recipe for a lost life.

I was all for decriminalizing pot until the all drugs legal thing started.
I have found I am not alone. Time to rethink.

Pot isn't the gateway drug but it is the gateway to legalizing all drugs unfortunately.
All drugs legal = a crazy bad idea. :fp:

If an action can put another, other than oneself, in danger... Then yes, there should be regulations on it.

Shooting up and chilling in my living room: Not harming others

Smoking crack in my living room: Not harming others

Dropping acid and sitting in a park: Not hurting anyone

Smoking a joint on my front porch: Nobody is hurt.

Please though, continue your fight against personal freedom.

We are all connected in this life. Your actions a direct effect on others.

The heroin addict broke his mothers heart and ruined his children's lives
destroying what could be a beautiful marriage, a beautiful life.

That crack smoker just broke a very expensive piece of equipment at his job.
Resulting in the loss of work and needing government aid. Wonder if he can afford
that crack now. Maybe not better break in and steal all your hard earned stuff.

We dropped acid in the park somebody died :shock:

notice I didn't say anything about the doober on the porch....

your body is not your own, you have responsibility to society, to those who love you,
to your employer, to God above if you are so inclined.

catefrances

you cant make all drugs illegal. big pharma will not allow it. the fact that we have legal and illegal drugs shows(and im speaking about my country now... which does basically have the same laws about drug prohibition as the US) its a flawed system. do i think alll drugs should be legalised? i think drug trafficking should be illegal(as it is) i think as with all commodities if drugs were made legal theyd find their own value level and become somewhat affordable so the level of crime should/would diminish. would i care if my children started using drugs? no more than im concerned when they drink... but thats okay and socially acceptable cause alcohol is legal. we tut tut and shake out heads when we see people passed out in pools of their own vomit cause theyre pissed as newts but when we hear of someone ODing and lying dead in the living room undiscovered for 5 days we cry that heroin is an evil evil drug and should be eliminated.i laugh a lot during discussions concerning drugs cause it makes no sense to me. drugs shouldnt be illegal but illegal actions resulting from drug use should be. oh and my body is nobodys body but mine so back the fuck off.

riotgrl

pandora wrote:

peacefrompaul wrote:

pandora wrote:

So you do believe there should be laws protecting people from dangerous things ...
me too.

And no it is not stupidity that gets a kid hooked on meth
although some might say lack of good common sense.
But some kids hardly stand a chance.
Then add the fact that the human brain doesn't understand consequence until 25 years of age
and many kids think they are bulletproof until after the fact ...
we have a recipe for a lost life.

I was all for decriminalizing pot until the all drugs legal thing started.
I have found I am not alone. Time to rethink.

Pot isn't the gateway drug but it is the gateway to legalizing all drugs unfortunately.
All drugs legal = a crazy bad idea. :fp:

If an action can put another, other than oneself, in danger... Then yes, there should be regulations on it.

Shooting up and chilling in my living room: Not harming others

Smoking crack in my living room: Not harming others

Dropping acid and sitting in a park: Not hurting anyone

Smoking a joint on my front porch: Nobody is hurt.

Please though, continue your fight against personal freedom.

We are all connected in this life. Your actions a direct effect on others.

The heroin addict broke his mothers heart and ruined his children's lives
destroying what could be a beautiful marriage, a beautiful life.

That crack smoker just broke a very expensive piece of equipment at his job.
Resulting in the loss of work and needing government aid. Wonder if he can afford
that crack now. Maybe not better break in and steal all your hard earned stuff.

We dropped acid in the park somebody died :shock:

notice I didn't say anything about the doober on the porch....

your body is not your own, you have responsibility to society, to those who love you,
to your employer, to God above if you are so inclined.

What about the family that I see every day that feeds their kids "orange slices" for a snack? And no, I don't mean an actual orange, I mean the candy and they call that a snack? What about the guy that is a reckless driver that weaves between cars because he is in a hurry? Personally, I'll take the dope smoker sitting on his porch versus the mom who thinks she is doing right by her kid giving them "fruit" snacks. Did you know that the current generation of kids will have a shorter life expectancy than their parents - that is just as bad. Worse in my opinion because you can quit drugs cold turkey but you have to try really hard to break with the typical crappy American diet. That diet will kill you just as surely as drugs will but that is an acceptable form of abuse :nono:

catefrances

riotgrl wrote:

What about the family that I see every day that feeds their kids "orange slices" for a snack? And no, I don't mean an actual orange, I mean the candy and they call that a snack? What about the guy that is a reckless driver that weaves between cars because he is in a hurry? Personally, I'll take the dope smoker sitting on his porch versus the mom who thinks she is doing right by her kid giving them "fruit" snacks. Did you know that the current generation of kids will have a shorter life expectancy than their parents - that is just as bad. Worse in my opinion because you can quit drugs cold turkey but you have to try really hard to break with the typical crappy American diet. That diet will kill you just as surely as drugs will but that is an acceptable form of abuse :nono:

youre right riotgrl, there are worse things in this world we can do to our bodies and the bodies of others if you care for others than smoking a bowl. but as we all know its all about control and fake piousness.

pandora

riotgrl wrote:

pandora wrote:

We are all connected in this life. Your actions a direct effect on others.

The heroin addict broke his mothers heart and ruined his children's lives
destroying what could be a beautiful marriage, a beautiful life.

That crack smoker just broke a very expensive piece of equipment at his job.
Resulting in the loss of work and needing government aid. Wonder if he can afford
that crack now. Maybe not better break in and steal all your hard earned stuff.

We dropped acid in the park somebody died :shock:

notice I didn't say anything about the doober on the porch....

your body is not your own, you have responsibility to society, to those who love you,
to your employer, to God above if you are so inclined.

What about the family that I see every day that feeds their kids "orange slices" for a snack? And no, I don't mean an actual orange, I mean the candy and they call that a snack? What about the guy that is a reckless driver that weaves between cars because he is in a hurry? Personally, I'll take the dope smoker sitting on his porch versus the mom who thinks she is doing right by her kid giving them "fruit" snacks. Did you know that the current generation of kids will have a shorter life expectancy than their parents - that is just as bad. Worse in my opinion because you can quit drugs cold turkey but you have to try really hard to break with the typical crappy American diet. That diet will kill you just as surely as drugs will but that is an acceptable form of abuse :nono:

All for good health and knowing your own body. But remember Life is not an endurance race
it is what you take with you when you go.

Have you quit drugs cold turkey? You make that sound really easy, if it was we wouldn't
have this thread. No one wants to be a drug addict, it's not the plan to be ravaged,
to only think and live for one thing.

Again not talking about a bowl of anything here... talking all drugs legal.

pandora

catefrances wrote:

but as we all know its all about control and fake piousness.

Nope... It is about the love of all people.

Again not a bowl ... a needle of death. :fp:

peacefrompaul

pandora wrote:

peacefrompaul wrote:

pandora wrote:

So you do believe there should be laws protecting people from dangerous things ...
me too.

And no it is not stupidity that gets a kid hooked on meth
although some might say lack of good common sense.
But some kids hardly stand a chance.
Then add the fact that the human brain doesn't understand consequence until 25 years of age
and many kids think they are bulletproof until after the fact ...
we have a recipe for a lost life.

I was all for decriminalizing pot until the all drugs legal thing started.
I have found I am not alone. Time to rethink.

Pot isn't the gateway drug but it is the gateway to legalizing all drugs unfortunately.
All drugs legal = a crazy bad idea. :fp:

If an action can put another, other than oneself, in danger... Then yes, there should be regulations on it.

Shooting up and chilling in my living room: Not harming others

Smoking crack in my living room: Not harming others

Dropping acid and sitting in a park: Not hurting anyone

Smoking a joint on my front porch: Nobody is hurt.

Please though, continue your fight against personal freedom.

We are all connected in this life. Your actions a direct effect on others.

The heroin addict broke his mothers heart and ruined his children's lives
destroying what could be a beautiful marriage, a beautiful life.

That crack smoker just broke a very expensive piece of equipment at his job.
Resulting in the loss of work and needing government aid. Wonder if he can afford
that crack now. Maybe not better break in and steal all your hard earned stuff.

We dropped acid in the park somebody died :shock:

notice I didn't say anything about the doober on the porch....

your body is not your own, you have responsibility to society, to those who love you,
to your employer, to God above if you are so inclined.

The heroin addict ruined his own life and his family, he caused no one physical harm (The family made a choice to stick around him for some reason).

The crack smoker should be fired on the spot, you can be fired for being drunk on the job (alcohol is legal).

That acid user made a choice and died, only hurting himself.

As sad as it may seem, people die. If you chose to make bad decisions, sorry, not my problem. I will probably feel sorry for your family though... But, drug incidents would happen whether the drugs are legal or not. Freedom has its consequences!

My body is my own and I could certainly leave society behind anytime I want. I could say adios to my family and quit my job. All the while, I would have to see the positives and negatives of each action.

I will have made my own choice, maybe given some guidance, but made my own choice in the end.

That's life

People have the potential to do the right thing, we can do this folks!

catefrances

pandora wrote:

catefrances wrote:

but as we all know its all about control and fake piousness.

Nope... It is about the love of all people.

Again not a bowl ... a needle of death. :fp:

needle of death. oooh so dramatic. :fp:



so why then is war not illegal if its about the love of all people????

peacefrompaul

catefrances wrote:

pandora wrote:

catefrances wrote:

but as we all know its all about control and fake piousness.

Nope... It is about the love of all people.

Again not a bowl ... a needle of death. :fp:

needle of death. oooh so dramatic. :fp:



so why then is war not illegal if its about the love of all people????

We love people so much that we are willing to sacrifice some of them to overstep our bounds and take out the bad guys.

:crazy:

pandora

peacefrompaul wrote:

The heroin addict ruined his own life and his family, he caused no one physical harm (The family made a choice to stick around him for some reason).

The crack smoker should be fired on the spot, you can be fired for being drunk on the job (alcohol is legal).

That acid user made a choice and died, only hurting himself.

As sad as it may seem, people die. If you chose to make bad decisions, sorry, not my problem. I will probably feel sorry for your family though... But, drug incidents would happen whether the drugs are legal or not. Freedom has its consequences!

My body is my own and I could certainly leave society behind anytime I want. I could say adios to my family and quit my job. All the while, I would have to see the positives and negatives of each action.

I will have made my own choice, maybe given some guidance, but made my own choice in the end.

That's life

People have the potential to do the right thing, we can do this folks!

So when someone you love dies you don't hurt?
If your father was an addict you would not be hurt?
Do you just wash your hands of everyone?

The crack smoker was not high at work just a total burn out. Yes probably on his way out
but the consequences he caused to others was great before he got canned.
And he's on his way to rob your house.


Time to care about all not just yourself ...

that is life!

That is living!

pandora

catefrances wrote:

pandora wrote:

catefrances wrote:

but as we all know its all about control and fake piousness.

Nope... It is about the love of all people.

Again not a bowl ... a needle of death. :fp:

needle of death. oooh so dramatic. :fp:



so why then is war not illegal if its about the love of all people????

Because war is based in greed and no law ever conquers that

greed is why we have pushers getting 13 year olds addicted to meth
killing young bodies to make a buck

peacefrompaul

pandora wrote:

peacefrompaul wrote:

The heroin addict ruined his own life and his family, he caused no one physical harm (The family made a choice to stick around him for some reason).

The crack smoker should be fired on the spot, you can be fired for being drunk on the job (alcohol is legal).

That acid user made a choice and died, only hurting himself.

As sad as it may seem, people die. If you chose to make bad decisions, sorry, not my problem. I will probably feel sorry for your family though... But, drug incidents would happen whether the drugs are legal or not. Freedom has its consequences!

My body is my own and I could certainly leave society behind anytime I want. I could say adios to my family and quit my job. All the while, I would have to see the positives and negatives of each action.

I will have made my own choice, maybe given some guidance, but made my own choice in the end.

That's life

People have the potential to do the right thing, we can do this folks!

So when someone you love dies you don't hurt?
If your father was an addict you would not be hurt?
Do you just wash your hands of everyone?

The crack smoker was not high at work just a total burn out. Yes probably on his way out
but the consequences he caused to others was great before he got canned.
And he's on his way to rob your house.


Time to care about all not just yourself ...

that is life!

That is living!

And now you're calling me selfish?

Selfish to me is trying to control peoples lives to fit just the way you want them to be.

catefrances

peacefrompaul wrote:

And now you're calling me selfish?

Selfish to me is trying to control peoples lives to fit just the way you want them to be.

selfish to me is not passing that pipe this way...

peacefrompaul

catefrances wrote:

peacefrompaul wrote:

And now you're calling me selfish?

Selfish to me is trying to control peoples lives to fit just the way you want them to be.

selfish to me is not passing that pipe this way...

Come on over to Eau Claire!

catefrances

peacefrompaul wrote:

catefrances wrote:

peacefrompaul wrote:

And now you're calling me selfish?

Selfish to me is trying to control peoples lives to fit just the way you want them to be.

selfish to me is not passing that pipe this way...

Come on over to Eau Claire!

i went through there once... maybe i can fit it into my next itinerary.

but back on topic....

goverments know without a doubt that cigarettes kill people but do they make them illegal??? no they dont. they seem to have no duty of care when it comes to that multi million dollar industry. they sit there and spew out all this giving up smoking horseshit and crap on about personal responsibility and yet they go apoplectic about drugs that were once legal but now illegal.

peacefrompaul

catefrances wrote:

i went through there once... maybe i can fit it into my next itinerary.

but back on topic....

goverments know without a doubt that cigarettes kill people but do they make them illegal??? no they dont. they seem to have no duty of care when it comes to that multi million dollar industry. they sit there and spew out all this giving up smoking horseshit and crap on about personal responsibility and yet they go apoplectic about drugs that were once legal but now illegal.

It's big money!

riotgrl

pandora wrote:

riotgrl wrote:

pandora wrote:

We are all connected in this life. Your actions a direct effect on others.

The heroin addict broke his mothers heart and ruined his children's lives
destroying what could be a beautiful marriage, a beautiful life.

That crack smoker just broke a very expensive piece of equipment at his job.
Resulting in the loss of work and needing government aid. Wonder if he can afford
that crack now. Maybe not better break in and steal all your hard earned stuff.

We dropped acid in the park somebody died :shock:

notice I didn't say anything about the doober on the porch....

your body is not your own, you have responsibility to society, to those who love you,
to your employer, to God above if you are so inclined.

What about the family that I see every day that feeds their kids "orange slices" for a snack? And no, I don't mean an actual orange, I mean the candy and they call that a snack? What about the guy that is a reckless driver that weaves between cars because he is in a hurry? Personally, I'll take the dope smoker sitting on his porch versus the mom who thinks she is doing right by her kid giving them "fruit" snacks. Did you know that the current generation of kids will have a shorter life expectancy than their parents - that is just as bad. Worse in my opinion because you can quit drugs cold turkey but you have to try really hard to break with the typical crappy American diet. That diet will kill you just as surely as drugs will but that is an acceptable form of abuse :nono:

All for good health and knowing your own body. But remember Life is not an endurance race
it is what you take with you when you go.

Have you quit drugs cold turkey? You make that sound really easy, if it was we wouldn't
have this thread. No one wants to be a drug addict, it's not the plan to be ravaged,
to only think and live for one thing.

Again not talking about a bowl of anything here... talking all drugs legal.

Easy? I never said quitting drugs was easy! I quit smoking cigarettes and it was hard and it took me multiple attempts to actually quit. Nobody intends to become a smoker or a drug addict but laws do not force a person to quit either - you make that sound so easy :( If laws are the way to go then why haven't they worked? One of the real intents of drug laws is for the US to continue to control countires that sell the US drugs so we can continue our foreign policy of fighting terrorism. It doesn't matter if it is ineffective or harmful it makes it seem as if we are doing something in the eyes of many Americans who are easily pacified.

Check out this article:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2009-03-30-poppy-fields_N.htm[url][/url]

pandora

peacefrompaul wrote:

pandora wrote:

peacefrompaul wrote:

The heroin addict ruined his own life and his family, he caused no one physical harm (The family made a choice to stick around him for some reason).

The crack smoker should be fired on the spot, you can be fired for being drunk on the job (alcohol is legal).

That acid user made a choice and died, only hurting himself.

As sad as it may seem, people die. If you chose to make bad decisions, sorry, not my problem. I will probably feel sorry for your family though... But, drug incidents would happen whether the drugs are legal or not. Freedom has its consequences!

My body is my own and I could certainly leave society behind anytime I want. I could say adios to my family and quit my job. All the while, I would have to see the positives and negatives of each action.

I will have made my own choice, maybe given some guidance, but made my own choice in the end.

That's life

People have the potential to do the right thing, we can do this folks!

So when someone you love dies you don't hurt?
If your father was an addict you would not be hurt?
Do you just wash your hands of everyone?

The crack smoker was not high at work just a total burn out. Yes probably on his way out
but the consequences he caused to others was great before he got canned.
And he's on his way to rob your house.


Time to care about all not just yourself ...

that is life!

That is living!

And now you're calling me selfish?


Selfish to me is trying to control peoples lives to fit just the way you want them to be.

You didn't answer any of my questions...why?
Selfish is not caring about others I know I can't control others

and they can't control themselves
quite obviously... like I said if they could we wouldn't have a thread.

So your pep talk "come on we can do this" is not happening.