Reference to Jeremy Lin and PJ

foriginalsin

RedMosquito22 wrote:

CROJAM95 wrote:

The lack of sports knowledge in this thread is mind boggling

Tell me about it.

First these sports geniuses gave us Tim Tebow and now we have to listen to this Jeremy Lin nonsense.

"The playoffs are a season unto themselves. The competition is heightened, the game slows, and defense -- Starks is one of the best defenders in the league -- is everything. "

From this NY Times article in 1994. I'm not saying he was the best defender but was definitely one of the better of his generation. And he would have made the first team had some guy named Jordan wasn't playing.

http://www.nytimes.com/1994/04/17/magaz ... wanted=all

81

foriginalsin wrote:

RedMosquito22 wrote:

CROJAM95 wrote:

The lack of sports knowledge in this thread is mind boggling

Tell me about it.

First these sports geniuses gave us Tim Tebow and now we have to listen to this Jeremy Lin nonsense.

"The playoffs are a season unto themselves. The competition is heightened, the game slows, and defense -- Starks is one of the best defenders in the league -- is everything. "

From this NY Times article in 1994. I'm not saying he was the best defender but was definitely one of the better of his generation.

http://www.nytimes.com/1994/04/17/magaz ... wanted=all

you are really going to cite a NY publication? really?

81

Jeremys Spoken wrote:

RedMosquito22 wrote:

Jeremys Spoken wrote:

LOL @ all the Jeremy Lin haters.


Keep hating, and he'll keep dropping 20+

No he won't. He will end the season averaging under 12 per game and most likely under 10.

And this is you being jealous, and bitter.

Dude, keep denying his stats he has put up over the last 7 games.

Why can't he be for real? Answer that.

7 games does not make a player.

i'm not on the hate wagon....but 7 games does not make a player.

you can't dismiss the rest of his stats and only focucs on the last 7 games.

81

81 wrote:

drewdawgq wrote:

You don't go for 38 against the Lakers and fade away.

Troy Hudson

dropped 37 on the lakers in a playoff game.

RedMosquito22

Jeremys Spoken wrote:

And this is you being jealous, and bitter.

Dude, keep denying his stats he has put up over the last 7 games.

Why can't he be for real? Answer that.

Jealous and bitter of what? A below average basketball player that has had 1 good week of basketball against 1 decent team?

I've said he has had a good week. wooptie friggin doo

He can't consistently play like this, he just doesn't have that ability. Can he be serviceable? Of course, but this guy is a 10 point or under guy who will get some assists. That's about it. He isn't a savior and he will never be an All Star. It's just the way it is in the NBA.

Jeremys Spoken

81 wrote:

7 games does not make a player.

i'm not on the hate wagon....but 7 games does not make a player.

you can't dismiss the rest of his stats and only focucs on the last 7 games.

???????

He sat on a bench the rest of the time. What are you saying? He finally got his chance to start, and this is what he's doing.

Can't just take away the points, and the assists. He's moving this offense. They are playing their best basketball of the season. It's not just Jeremy, everyone is playing better.

JimmyV

I read Simmons column earlier and knew it was going to blow up on the board...but I really thought it was going to be super fans ripping him for getting the Jeremy story wrong. Never thought we would have a three page debate about Jeremy Lin.

Seven games is too small a sample to draw any conclusions, good or bad. But he has been a dynamo so far for the Knicks.

Jeremys Spoken

RedMosquito22 wrote:

Jeremys Spoken wrote:

And this is you being jealous, and bitter.

Dude, keep denying his stats he has put up over the last 7 games.

Why can't he be for real? Answer that.

Jealous and bitter of what? A below average basketball player that has had 1 good week of basketball against 1 decent team?

I've said he has had a good week. wooptie friggin doo

He can't consistently play like this, he just doesn't have that ability. Can he be serviceable? Of course, but this guy is a 10 point or under guy who will get some assists. That's about it. He isn't a savior and he will never be an All Star. It's just the way it is in the NBA.

SAYS WHO????????????


Do you see what you are typing? And what if he doesn't slow down? Sure he won't put up 38 every night, but why can't he be as good as he has been? Just stop ignoring the fact that for 7 straight games he has been awesome. Not two straight, not just one game.

RedMosquito22

Jeremys Spoken wrote:

81 wrote:

7 games does not make a player.

i'm not on the hate wagon....but 7 games does not make a player.

you can't dismiss the rest of his stats and only focucs on the last 7 games.

???????

He sat on a bench the rest of the time. What are you saying?

Exactly that. If you are good in the NBA you aren't on the bench. Coaches don't miss that, they see it in practice. If Mello didn't get hurt, he'd either be out of the league today or on his 4th bench in 2 years.

Rossum20

RedMosquito22 wrote:

If Jeremy Lin could play he wouldn't have played at Harvard and wouldn't be on his 3rd team in 2 years. Not to mention the Knicks were injuries away from cutting him this year.

Please enough already. The guy is barely an NBA bench player.

This makes absolutely no sense - everyone gets to the top (meaning a starting position in the NBA and other sports) in different ways. Because he took an abnormal path to get there, it's impossible for him to keep his job? You're not making any sense. I can only hope that some other people who actually know something about sports can help enlighten you. No one is saying he is going to be an NBA SUPERSTAR the rest of his career, but he likely isn't going away. The media frenzy undoubtedly will though at some point - and I'm sure that will be the determinant for you that he has "disappeared" and that he is no longer a good player. Although according to you, he isn't even a good one now.


Ben Wallace average 6 points a game for his career. That's your defense? This proves to me and everyone else you are clueless as to how different players contribute to the TEAM in different ways. Wallace is not there as a shooter.

Wallace is a four-time All-Star, four-time Defensive Player of the Year, five-time All-NBA Defensive Team selection, and five-time All-NBA Team selection.

He won an NBA title with Detroit in 2004.

He's fourth among active players in total rebounds (34th all-time), and has finished in the top five in total rebounds five times.

He's also fourth among active players in total blocks (16th all-time), and has finished in the top 10 in blocks seven times.


Avery and Starks are also perfect examples because they are similiar to Lin...they didn't need to be the superstar and center of attention to have successful NBA careers. Keep insisting "it never happens, not in this sport!" while I try and give you perfect examples THAT IT DOES. Get it?


It's about getting an opportunity to show what you have, and it's a lot harder to do that when you come in as a late round pick or an undrafted player. How many roster spots are there in the NFL? 53. 45 or 46 active on game day. Injuries are abundant so players are put into positions to play and showcase what they have far more often than the NBA. 5 starting positions compared to 22. If a team like Lin was on before (Golden State) has depth at the point, he simply will never get a shot, unless that guard gets hurt. Clearly QB's in the NFL taking Terry Tate-like hits are much more likely to allow that backup at least a few opportunities to show what they have. But I'll stop trying to compare the sports (because apparently only you can) - just again trying to help you understand why it happens more in the NFL than the NBA...and it has just about nothing to do with the inner workings of the sport. It's about the opportunity.

RedMosquito22

Should I remember the first year and a half of games? Or just not the last 7?

81

Jeremys Spoken wrote:

81 wrote:

7 games does not make a player.

i'm not on the hate wagon....but 7 games does not make a player.

you can't dismiss the rest of his stats and only focucs on the last 7 games.

???????

He sat on a bench the rest of the time. What are you saying? He finally got his chance to start, and this is what he's doing.

Can't just take away the points, and the assists. He's moving this offense. They are playing their best basketball of the season. It's not just Jeremy, everyone is playing better.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... nje01.html

i'm not saying he isn't going to be a solid player.....but 7 games does not define a career....and more importantly....espn/the media need to tone down the the lin coverage, i'm not predicting the future like the rest of you....from him being a complete nobody in two years, to him being the second coming.

Rossum20

RedMosquito22 wrote:

Should I remember the first year and a half of games? Or just not the last 7?

You should remember that you don't know very much about sports (and that's ok), but it'll at least prevent you from making a fool of yourself in the future.

Callaway

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Jeremys Spoken

RedMosquito22 wrote:

Should I remember the first 23 games? Or just not the last 7?

Tell me how Tim Thomas (Bruins goalie) became the starter.

He was a backup the whole time, then injuries, and bad play made him the eventual starter. Tell me how he won 2 Vezina trophy's.

Lin has been in the league for 1 and a half years. He was cut, un-drafted and overlooked by many. Give the guy a fucking chance.

You're a joke. What you are writing is actually angering me for some reason.

teskeinc

Bottom line is Lin has led a crappy NYK team to 7 straight wins. He is an underdog, an Asian kid in the NBA. People eat up the feel good story. Thats why its on ESPN 24/7. Like him or not you cant discount the wins/stats this kid has put up.

Problem with the Knicks is the me first players like Carmelo Anthony and Amare Stoudamire who would rather have huge stats than wins. Anthony is a 1 on 1 player and Amare is a black hole inside. Plus both are half-assed defensive players which kill their chances to win. When Anthony returns it will be interesting to see the dynamics, I know Anthony hates the attention Lin is getting and will see to it his stats suffer, and affect his play significantly.

The Knicks are a better "team" without Anthony and Stoudamire. But have more talent with them in the line-up. Weird situation when your "superstars" dont want to win.

Rossum20

81 wrote:

Jeremys Spoken wrote:

81 wrote:

7 games does not make a player.

i'm not on the hate wagon....but 7 games does not make a player.

you can't dismiss the rest of his stats and only focucs on the last 7 games.

???????

He sat on a bench the rest of the time. What are you saying? He finally got his chance to start, and this is what he's doing.

Can't just take away the points, and the assists. He's moving this offense. They are playing their best basketball of the season. It's not just Jeremy, everyone is playing better.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... nje01.html

i'm not saying he isn't going to be a solid player.....but 7 games does not define a career....and more importantly....espn/the media need to tone down the the lin coverage, i'm not predicting the future like the rest of you....from him being a complete nobody in two years, to him being the second coming.

Second coming of what?? No one is proclaiming he is the next Jordan. "Someone" is claiming he won't be in existence in 2 years while supporting that argument with the "fact" ( :roll: ) that it has "never" ( :roll: ) happened. When it has.

Of course the media is blowing it out of proportion - it's a great story that sells. That's not the argument though. It's that he simply CANNOT be a good player because of his history. Wow.

RedMosquito22

Rossum20 wrote:

RedMosquito22 wrote:

Should I remember the first year and a half of games? Or just not the last 7?

You should remember that you don't know very much about sports (and that's ok), but it'll at least prevent you from making a fool of yourself in the future.

Come talk to me after this stretch pal.

Wed 22 vs Atlanta
Thu 23 @ Miami
Wed 29 vs Cleveland

March
Sun 04 @ Boston
Tue 06 @ Dallas
Wed 07 @ San Antonio
Fri 09 @ Milwaukee
Sun 11 vs Philadelphia
Mon 12 @ Chicago
Wed 14 vs Portland
Fri 16 vs Indiana
Sat 17 @ Indiana

Jeremys Spoken

What RM22 seems to be ignorant about is the fact that the kid got a chance to step up and lead a team for the FIRST TIME....and he's making history with his numbers.

Why is it that in his first few starts he scored the most points of anyone, ever? Everyone on that list is a great player.

Why? Because they were all highly drafted? Why, because they weren't cut twice, and overlooked?

Give me a break. Jeremy Lin is for real. You don't lose his basketball IQ and you don't lose a jump shot.

drewdawgq

81 wrote:

81 wrote:

drewdawgq wrote:

You don't go for 38 against the Lakers and fade away.

Troy Hudson

dropped 37 on the lakers in a playoff game.

Nice! Good memory I forgot about that one. Troy Hudson wasn't 6'3 200lbs either. He also had some significant injury problems.