Reference to Jeremy Lin and PJ

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drewdawgq wrote:

You don't go for 38 against the Lakers and fade away.

Troy Hudson

RedMosquito22

Rossum20 wrote:

RedMosquito22 wrote:

This is comical. 3 teams in less than 2 years, every team passes on drafting him, no college team offers him a scholarship and this is the guy who will all of a sudden become a superstar in the NBA. It just doesn't happen and won't happen, not in this sport.

Right. Like Tom Brady drafted in the 7th round.

Ben Wallace? Ever heard of him? He was undrafted.

Avery Johnson? Undrafted.


Oh, and while we're on the Knicks: John Starks - undrafted.


You don't know what you're talking about. No one can predict the future, but you're not making any sense.

John Starks averaged 12 points per game for his career) and was in 1 All Star Game,

Avery Johnson averaged 8 points a game for his career for goodness sakes and never played in an All Star Game.

Ben Wallace for his career averages under 6 points per game



These are the examples you are throwing at me in his defense? Great list. What a joke.



The NFL is full of late round hits, you can't compare the 2 sports.

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RedMosquito22 wrote:

The NFL is full of late round hits, you can't compare the 2 sports.

agreed...you are talking a sport with 22 starters plus to a sport with 5 guys....

that said, even Jordan was "cut" from a squad once. biggest myth in sports....but that's besdie the point.

drewdawgq

RedMosquito22 wrote:

drewdawgq wrote:

RedMosquito22 wrote:

No one will know who he is in 2 years.

Unlikely. He got his chance and he's proven himself. You don't go for 38 against the Lakers and fade away. He's got the body to be in the NBA and the work ethic to stay there.

No shot. He has been on 3 different teams and was about to be cut from the Knicks until Carmello got hurt. He will go right back to being a bench player soon enough.

Its one week for goodness sakes. He has been in the league for 3 years and has averaged around 5 minutes per game.

This is even funnier than people thinking Tim Tebow could play.

This is Jeremy Lin's second season. He was a rookie on Golden State, a very guard-heavy team already. They weren't going to play an undrafted rookie over their established, highly paid guards.

Due to the lockout, he didn't get to compete for his job in training camp this year.

He's not a fluke. Google Jeremy Lin vs. UConn. Dude can play.

There really are no similarities between him and Tim Tebow. Tebow has an unorthodox throwing style. He's a game manager, not a QB and he gets exposed when they actually play good teams. There's nothing unorthodox about Jeremy Lin except for the way he got to where he is now.

Rossum20

RedMosquito22 wrote:

Rossum20 wrote:

RedMosquito22 wrote:

This is comical. 3 teams in less than 2 years, every team passes on drafting him, no college team offers him a scholarship and this is the guy who will all of a sudden become a superstar in the NBA. It just doesn't happen and won't happen, not in this sport.

Right. Like Tom Brady drafted in the 7th round.

Ben Wallace? Ever heard of him? He was undrafted.

Avery Johnson? Undrafted.


Oh, and while we're on the Knicks: John Starks - undrafted.


You don't know what you're talking about. No one can predict the future, but you're not making any sense.

John Starks wasn't even close to being a star(12 points per game fr his career) and was in 1 All Star Game, Avery Johnson wasn't a superstar(he averaged 8 points a game for his career for goodness sakes) and never played in an All Star Game.

Ben Wallace is your only viable argument and I think the NBA has been around for quite sometime to have it happen once.

The NFL is full of late round hits, you can't compare the 2 sports.

Don't change your original argument!

You said he will not last and no one will hear of him in two years. Then you compared football and basketball (Tebow and Lin) - now two minutes later I can't compare the sports.


The media loves these type of underdog stories - so no, he certainly won't be getting the media attention in two years like he is getting now. But that's not the argument. Keep digging.

RedMosquito22

If Jeremy Lin could play he wouldn't have played at Harvard and wouldn't be on his 3rd team in 2 years. Not to mention the Knicks were injuries away from cutting him this year.

Please enough already. The guy is barely an NBA bench player.

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RedMosquito22 wrote:

Please enough already. The guy is barely an NBA bench player.

i agree with the enough alread....but it's a little too early to say he is just a bench player...but i'm not ready to annoint him as MJ 2.0. the media got carried away (shocking i know), and now people are getting sucked into that vortex.

FrankY59

The thing bothering me most is how Sportscenter is shoving him down our throats. With the start of NBC sports channel, I basically have tuned out ESPN...and I am a HUGE sports fanatic. They just do too good of a job of taking the team out of sports. Jeremy Lin is playing well, but like everything in life these days...everything needs a reaction.

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FrankY59 wrote:

The thing bothering me most is how Sportscenter is shoving him down our throats. With the start of NBC sports channel, I basically have tuned out ESPN...and I am a HUGE sports fanatic. They just do too good of a job of taking the team out of sports. Jeremy Lin is playing well, but like everything in life these days...everything needs a reaction.

i can't believe people even watch sportscenter any more. it's painful to watch. i tune in for the game, and tuen out after the game. i don't need a bunch of talking heads to tell me about everything. i think after a couple of decades of sportsdom, i have a solid grasp on what is happening.

Yes Way

This whole thing is hilarious. I don't come on here looking for solid sports arguments, but someone is willing to engage in one I expect them to do so because they know what they're talking about. It is clear that some sophisticated arguments are being made here, and some are less so.

The "cut from three teams in two years" (two teams, actually)* is irrelevant to what is happening now. There was a perfect storm that kept him out (the league is incredibly point guard heavy and he's an undrafted free agent), and now a perfect storm that got him in. The truth of him as a player lies in between, but the guy can flat out play. He fits perfectly in his current system, and he's taken a team on life-support and has them positioned for the playoffs.

P.S. Harvard has been in the top 25 all year and they're pretty good. He's unconventional, but that doesn't mean he's not good. He can score and distribute, get to the basket and inspire teammates. He's not a great shooter and turns it over. But to say he's barely a bench player and to base that solely on the fact that he was cut and went to Harvard is what's laughable.

*My bad, this isn't what was said. It doesn't change my feeling about how the amount of teams he's been on affects how good he is.

foriginalsin

Redmosquito22 Said

John Starks averaged 12 points per game for his career) and was in 1 All Star Game,

Avery Johnson averaged 8 points a game for his career for goodness sakes and never played in an All Star Game.

Ben Wallace for his career averages under 6 points per game



These are the examples you are throwing at me in his defense? Great list. What a joke.



The NFL is full of late round hits, you can't compare the 2 sports.


Starks was one of the best defenders of his generation. He was on the all defensive team in 92.

Ben Wallace was one of the best defensive players of all time. He was a 4 time defensive player of the year. Was on the all nba defensive First team 5 times.

Avery Johnson, I will concede wasnt that great, although he was also a great leader who helped Duncan and Robinson will titles.

RedMosquito22

Yes Way wrote:

This whole thing is hilarious. I don't come on here looking for solid sports arguments, but someone is willing to engage in one I expect them to do so because they know what they're talking about. It is clear that some sophisticated arguments are being made here, and some are less so.

The "cut from three teams in two years" (two teams, actually)* is irrelevant to what is happening now. There was a perfect storm that kept him out (the league is incredibly point guard heavy and he's an undrafted free agent), and now a perfect storm that got him in. The truth of him as a player lies in between, but the guy can flat out play. He fits perfectly in his current system, and he's taken a team on life-support and has them positioned for the playoffs.

P.S. Harvard has been in the top 25 all year and they're pretty good. He's unconventional, but that doesn't mean he's not good. He can score and distribute, get to the basket and inspire teammates. He's not a great shooter and turns it over. But to say he's barely a bench player and to base that solely on the fact that he was cut and went to Harvard is what's laughable.

*My bad, this isn't what was said. It doesn't change my feeling about how the amount of teams he's been on affects how good he is.

First of all we said he was on his 3rd team in 2 years not "cut from 3", although NY was about to cut him because he is horrible in practice, Harvard is not in the top 25, and he can't play. you will see that over the next few weeks when Mello is back and Lin is back to averaging 5 points per game or less.

So much for us not knowing what we are talking about.

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foriginalsin wrote:

Starks was one of the best defenders of his generation. He was on the all defensive team in 92.

he make the second team once


beat about by Dumars and some guy named Jordan for the first team.

RedMosquito22

foriginalsin wrote:

Starks was one of the best defenders of his generation. He was on the all defensive team in 92.

Ben Wallace was one of the best defensive players of all time. He was a 4 time defensive player of the year. Was on the all nba defensive First team 5 times.

Avery Johnson, I will concede wasnt that great, although he was also a great leader who helped Duncan and Robinson will titles.

Are you kidding me, seriously. Defensive players? If that's the criteria for being great than Andre Iguadala is one of the top 50 players of all time.

CROJAM95

The lack of sports knowledge in this thread is mind boggling

Ledbetterman10

foriginalsin wrote:

Starks was one of the best defenders of his generation. He was on the all defensive team in 92.

I think this is a bit of an exaggeration though he is a very underrated player who guarded MJ better than most.

RedMosquito22

CROJAM95 wrote:

The lack of sports knowledge in this thread is mind boggling

Tell me about it.

First these sports geniuses gave us Tim Tebow and now we have to listen to this Jeremy Lin nonsense.

Jeremys Spoken

LOL @ all the Jeremy Lin haters.


Keep hating, and he'll keep dropping 20+

RedMosquito22

Jeremys Spoken wrote:

LOL @ all the Jeremy Lin haters.


Keep hating, and he'll keep dropping 20+

No he won't. He will end the season averaging under 12 per game and most likely under 10.

Jeremys Spoken

RedMosquito22 wrote:

Jeremys Spoken wrote:

LOL @ all the Jeremy Lin haters.


Keep hating, and he'll keep dropping 20+

No he won't. He will end the season averaging under 12 per game and most likely under 10.

And this is you being jealous, and bitter.

Dude, keep denying his stats he has put up over the last 7 games.

Why can't he be for real? Answer that.