I am not a big fan of the President. But I think his speech last night was good. Especially when it came to the middle class and the profits companies are making. I think he is right...its time that these companies start given raises to its workers.
I can always only handle like one minute of that phony applause and then I switch stations.
The rich are hardly taxed hedonist, are you kidding? Why do you think we're losing the Middle Class? And did you know that the biggest corps (GE one of them) pays no tax at all? Nothing, zero.
As you can see, the poorer you are, the more state and local taxes bite into your income. As you get richer, those taxes recede, and you're mainly getting hit be federal taxes. So that's another lesson: When you omit state and local taxes from your analysis, you're omitting the taxes that hit lower-income taxpayers hardest.
But here is really the only tax graph you need: It's total tax burden by income group. And as you'll see, every income group is paying something, and the rich aren't paying much more, as a percentage of their incomes, then the middle class.
That's really what the American tax system looks like: Not 47 percent paying nothing, but everybody paying something, and most Americans paying between 25 percent and 30 percent of their income -- which is, by the way, a lot more the 13.9 percent Mitt Romney paid in 2011*.
When politicians try to convince you that half of Americans aren't really paying taxes, it's usually because the real data undermines their preferred policies. For instance, you wouldn't look at these numbers and think tax cuts for the rich need to be a huge priority. And that's one reason people who want more tax cuts for the rich don't like to show you these numbers.
I can always only handle like one minute of that phony applause and then I switch stations.
The rich are hardly taxed hedonist, are you kidding? Why do you think we're losing the Middle Class? And did you know that the biggest corps (GE one of them) pays no tax at all? Nothing, zero.
Was a little joke, as a tax HIKE is proposed - not like they're not taxed already.
Corporations, just like individuals, should pay taxes; no problem with that at all - any and all with income should. I'm talking about folks who've earned their personal wealth. I'm more of a flat-tax person, I guess.
By the way, I think I'll play a game this evening and hit the bowl every time I hear the term "middle class"...at least for as long as I can watch :-D
I can always only handle like one minute of that phony applause and then I switch stations.
The rich are hardly taxed hedonist, are you kidding? Why do you think we're losing the Middle Class? And did you know that the biggest corps (GE one of them) pays no tax at all? Nothing, zero.
Was a little joke, as a tax HIKE is proposed - not like they're not taxed already.
Corporations, just like individuals, should pay taxes; no problem with that at all - any and all with income should. I'm talking about folks who've earned their personal wealth. I'm more of a flat-tax person, I guess.
By the way, I think I'll play a game this evening and hit the bowl every time I hear the term "middle class"...at least for as long as I can watch :-D
This is really the first time in 20 years that I have zero interest in what our president has to say. I doubt I watch the speech.
I don't blame you. Obama gets to make a grandiose speech knowing that he doesn't have to do any real work since his plan will never be passed by congress anyway. So he'll say nice things, talk about the middle class, hope the middle class doesn't actually read too deeply into his plans since they will negatively impact the middle class through his tax proposals (hey, gotta get the $320 billion from somewhere and the middle class is an easy target), and people will talk about what a great speaker he is. I, too, think he's a great speaker if he's scripted, not so much if he's off the cuff. I don't typically like a lot of what he has to say, but he'll create some good soundbites for the national news channels. I wish presidents had to go through their previous year's speech and talk about what parts of the plan were actually implemented before they move on to the current year's plan. That would put the current year's plan in better perspective (ie, mostly talk, very few results expected). I might have to adopt Hedo's game plan to get through it!
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
I can't wait to see folk blow their tops when Obama proposes taxing the rich. Which should have been done the first year he was in.
Do you think he's really going to do that? I mean actually do it? Wouldn't that take away his and his party's donor base? What he'll actually do is talk about taxing the rich, but the effect will be additional tax burdens for the middle class.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
This is really the first time in 20 years that I have zero interest in what our president has to say. I doubt I watch the speech.
I don't blame you. Obama gets to make a grandiose speech knowing that he doesn't have to do any real work since his plan will never be passed by congress anyway. So he'll say nice things, talk about the middle class, hope the middle class doesn't actually read too deeply into his plans since they will negatively impact the middle class through his tax proposals (hey, gotta get the $320 billion from somewhere and the middle class is an easy target), and people will talk about what a great speaker he is. I, too, think he's a great speaker if he's scripted, not so much if he's off the cuff. I don't typically like a lot of what he has to say, but he'll create some good soundbites for the national news channels. I wish presidents had to go through their previous year's speech and talk about what parts of the plan were actually implemented before they move on to the current year's plan. That would put the current year's plan in better perspective (ie, mostly talk, very few results expected). I might have to adopt Hedo's game plan to get through it!
I'm just getting a kick out of the pomp and circumstance.
(does anyone ever use "pomp" on its own?)
yeah it is kind of stupid. it is all fake. those people will give him 75 standing ovations tonight, and then oppose every single idea they are applauding.
it is all just theater.
the state of the union address is worthless. they should just send out a mass email blast or something.. maybe people will read it instead of trying to listen to it and take it in...
it is all bullshit anyway. the president gives 45 minutes of steady bullshit. the congress claps knowing it is bullshit. the opposing party's address is an even bigger heaping pile of bullshit.
it is starting to smell in here....
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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Let the good times roll ....
"If the illusion is real, let them give you a ride"
Fitting, eh?
My history of watching this (regardless of president) is catching the first few minutes, then saying "fuck it" and moving on.
The rich are hardly taxed hedonist, are you kidding? Why do you think we're losing the Middle Class? And did you know that the biggest corps (GE one of them) pays no tax at all? Nothing, zero.
As you can see, the poorer you are, the more state and local taxes bite into your income. As you get richer, those taxes recede, and you're mainly getting hit be federal taxes. So that's another lesson: When you omit state and local taxes from your analysis, you're omitting the taxes that hit lower-income taxpayers hardest.
But here is really the only tax graph you need: It's total tax burden by income group. And as you'll see, every income group is paying something, and the rich aren't paying much more, as a percentage of their incomes, then the middle class.
That's really what the American tax system looks like: Not 47 percent paying nothing, but everybody paying something, and most Americans paying between 25 percent and 30 percent of their income -- which is, by the way, a lot more the 13.9 percent Mitt Romney paid in 2011*.
When politicians try to convince you that half of Americans aren't really paying taxes, it's usually because the real data undermines their preferred policies. For instance, you wouldn't look at these numbers and think tax cuts for the rich need to be a huge priority. And that's one reason people who want more tax cuts for the rich don't like to show you these numbers.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/09/19/heres-why-the-47-percent-argument-is-an-abuse-of-tax-data/
Loving the stats BSL12
Corporations, just like individuals, should pay taxes; no problem with that at all - any and all with income should. I'm talking about folks who've earned their personal wealth. I'm more of a flat-tax person, I guess.
By the way, I think I'll play a game this evening and hit the bowl every time I hear the term "middle class"...at least for as long as I can watch :-D
Prepare to be baked! That is all we're going to hear. "Middle class" will be mentioned over and over again. :-c
You are going to be Fucked up!!!
Your statesman Lindsey Grahmn was sounding quit presidential in an interview tonight.Be a nice ticket mate withJeb.
Are you serious?? Lindsay Graham is a complete douche bag.
I don't blame you. Obama gets to make a grandiose speech knowing that he doesn't have to do any real work since his plan will never be passed by congress anyway. So he'll say nice things, talk about the middle class, hope the middle class doesn't actually read too deeply into his plans since they will negatively impact the middle class through his tax proposals (hey, gotta get the $320 billion from somewhere and the middle class is an easy target), and people will talk about what a great speaker he is. I, too, think he's a great speaker if he's scripted, not so much if he's off the cuff. I don't typically like a lot of what he has to say, but he'll create some good soundbites for the national news channels. I wish presidents had to go through their previous year's speech and talk about what parts of the plan were actually implemented before they move on to the current year's plan. That would put the current year's plan in better perspective (ie, mostly talk, very few results expected). I might have to adopt Hedo's game plan to get through it!
Do you think he's really going to do that? I mean actually do it? Wouldn't that take away his and his party's donor base? What he'll actually do is talk about taxing the rich, but the effect will be additional tax burdens for the middle class.
I'm sure Iran will be discussed
Is the deficit down?? Obama didn't cut into the deficit did he? He's doubled it.
As Gleason said - And away we go!
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
(does anyone ever use "pomp" on its own?)
haha! Good question. Let's hope that get's covered.
yeah it is kind of stupid. it is all fake. those people will give him 75 standing ovations tonight, and then oppose every single idea they are applauding.
it is all just theater.
the state of the union address is worthless. they should just send out a mass email blast or something.. maybe people will read it instead of trying to listen to it and take it in...
it is all bullshit anyway. the president gives 45 minutes of steady bullshit. the congress claps knowing it is bullshit. the opposing party's address is an even bigger heaping pile of bullshit.
it is starting to smell in here....
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Also, I worry for everyone's backs come tomorrow with all those standing O's.