All time great coach. He was ahead of everyone, and had the perfect dedicated QB for that (im of the opinion it was a perfect storm of B and . Now, the rest of the NFL is just as sophisticated as the Patriots were, and most cases more-so with 2023 technology, analytics, and outside the box thinking. The league has passed Belichick by. The true sign of insecure old guy is he keeps recycling underlings who will get in line and he is comfortable with.
I wouldn't say he rode Brady's coattails. Especially for the first three championships that were carried by the defense (not that Brady wasn't great then too though). But Kraft is the one at fault for Brady leaving when he did. Belichick thought Brady was done, and was dead wrong. But even if he was right, Kraft should've overruled him and said "Tom Brady is the Patriots QB until he doesn't want to be anymore." Would they have won another Super Bowl like Brady did in Tampa? No. The entire team sucks, not just Mac Jones. But they still should've played it out with Brady.
But by not doing that, all Belichick has done over the past four years in lend credence to your assertion that he rode Brady's coattails. I disagree, but it's not like Belichick doesn't deserve that narrative. Nearly every personnel decision he's made over the past 8 years has been wrong, including letting Brady walk.
I wouldn't say he rode Brady's coattails. Especially for the first three championships that were carried by the defense (not that Brady wasn't great then too though). But Kraft is the one at fault for Brady leaving when he did. Belichick thought Brady was done, and was dead wrong. But even if he was right, Kraft should've overruled him and said "Tom Brady is the Patriots QB until he doesn't want to be anymore." Would they have won another Super Bowl like Brady did in Tampa? No. The entire team sucks, not just Mac Jones. But they still should've played it out with Brady.
But by not doing that, all Belichick has done over the past four years in lend credence to your assertion that he rode Brady's coattails. I disagree, but it's not like Belichick doesn't deserve that narrative. Nearly every personnel decision he's made over the past 8 years has been wrong, including letting Brady walk.
RE: Letting Brady go... they made him an offer and he never replied or countered. He was talking to Miami his entire last season (they were punished for tampering)... the guy wanted out, I don't think there's anything they could have done by then. Who here HASN'T been sick of their employers after 20 years?
Brady had nothing to do w/ the defense or coaching in the '18 title run that stifled Mahomes & the Chiefs' offense for the first half of the AFCCG or broke a Super Bowl record by holding the Rams to < 10% of their average PPG from that regular season. I also don't think he had anything to do with the defense that held the Falcons to only 21 points in the 2016 Super bowl or having the defense prepped & ready for that goal line play against the Seahawks 2 years prior.
I agree w/ @MayDay10, it really was a perfect storm of coach & qb combo that led them to all those titles.
I wouldn't say he rode Brady's coattails. Especially for the first three championships that were carried by the defense (not that Brady wasn't great then too though). But Kraft is the one at fault for Brady leaving when he did. Belichick thought Brady was done, and was dead wrong. But even if he was right, Kraft should've overruled him and said "Tom Brady is the Patriots QB until he doesn't want to be anymore." Would they have won another Super Bowl like Brady did in Tampa? No. The entire team sucks, not just Mac Jones. But they still should've played it out with Brady.
But by not doing that, all Belichick has done over the past four years in lend credence to your assertion that he rode Brady's coattails. I disagree, but it's not like Belichick doesn't deserve that narrative. Nearly every personnel decision he's made over the past 8 years has been wrong, including letting Brady walk.
RE: Letting Brady go... they made him an offer and he never replied or countered. He was talking to Miami his entire last season (they were punished for tampering)... the guy wanted out, I don't think there's anything they could have done by then. Who here HASN'T been sick of their employers after 20 years?
I always thought Belichick thought he was done and wanted to let him walk. Well in that case, Brady saw the writing on the wall. The team would've been the same team but with Brady instead of Cam Newton/Mac Jones. That may be good enough to win a playoff game or something, but not the success he had in Tampa.
I wouldn't say he rode Brady's coattails. Especially for the first three championships that were carried by the defense (not that Brady wasn't great then too though). But Kraft is the one at fault for Brady leaving when he did. Belichick thought Brady was done, and was dead wrong. But even if he was right, Kraft should've overruled him and said "Tom Brady is the Patriots QB until he doesn't want to be anymore." Would they have won another Super Bowl like Brady did in Tampa? No. The entire team sucks, not just Mac Jones. But they still should've played it out with Brady.
But by not doing that, all Belichick has done over the past four years in lend credence to your assertion that he rode Brady's coattails. I disagree, but it's not like Belichick doesn't deserve that narrative. Nearly every personnel decision he's made over the past 8 years has been wrong, including letting Brady walk.
RE: Letting Brady go... they made him an offer and he never replied or countered. He was talking to Miami his entire last season (they were punished for tampering)... the guy wanted out, I don't think there's anything they could have done by then. Who here HASN'T been sick of their employers after 20 years?
I always thought Belichick thought he was done and wanted to let him walk. Well in that case, Brady saw the writing on the wall. The team would've been the same team but with Brady instead of Cam Newton/Mac Jones. That may be good enough to win a playoff game or something, but not the success he had in Tampa.
Agreed.
I don't begrudge Brady leaving... he wanted another ring and he wasn't getting that w/ New England. That's life.
Yeah, Brady knew that the Patriots were treading water and he wanted to find the best situation
Personnel decisions and drafting has been awful, as have been the retreads on the coaching staff. The obsession with trading down/out of the 1st round isn't working out. NKeal Harry 4 picks before Deebo has to hurt too.
The good news for Patriots fans, is you can turn it around pretty quickly in the NFL. Just need a good coach/GM tandem, some vision, and some luck. One or 2 years to clear the cap and accumulate assets and position to find the QB. Then you're off. Its actually easier to find a playoff/championship caliber QB than ever now and they can even be had on FA or trade.
Its just a matter of if Kraft would want to turf Belichick and bring in a whole new administration and voluntarily endure one or 2 lean years on the field (what is the difference with the hell they are in now?)
Back on my thing about the schedule. Giants on SNF AGAIN this week? As they say nowadays "What are we doing here?".
Spectrum 10/27/09; New Orleans JazzFest 5/1/10; Made in America 9/2/12; WF Center 10/21/13; WF Center 10/22/13; Baltimore Arena 10/27/13; WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22; Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
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a few pages back, some were saying “it’s not russell wilson’s fault.” maybe not entirely, but he’s not helping.
If I had known then what I know now...
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
a few pages back, some were saying “it’s not russell wilson’s fault.” maybe not entirely, but he’s not helping.
he looks slow & paid......dumb contract, Legion of boom & Mr Lynch were the idenity of those Seahawks teams
Fun watching his under 6ft ass getting ball after ball batted down at line of scrimage.
He'd had a solid season until last night. 11/2. Now it's 12/4. The defense finally played a decent game for the Broncos but the offense did nothing.
That was part Wilson and part of the best Chiefs defense I have seen since the Schottenheimer era. They kept Justin Jefferson to 3 for 28 and then only allow 85 passing yards to a team that was pretty decent on offense coming into last night. The Chiefs secondary is playing out of their minds right now.
I wish I was a sacrifice, but somehow still lived on.
a few pages back, some were saying “it’s not russell wilson’s fault.” maybe not entirely, but he’s not helping.
he looks slow & paid......dumb contract, Legion of boom & Mr Lynch were the idenity of those Seahawks teams
Fun watching his under 6ft ass getting ball after ball batted down at line of scrimage.
He'd had a solid season until last night. 11/2. Now it's 12/4. The defense finally played a decent game for the Broncos but the offense did nothing.
That was part Wilson and part of the best Chiefs defense I have seen since the Schottenheimer era. They kept Justin Jefferson to 3 for 28 and then only allow 85 passing yards to a team that was pretty decent on offense coming into last night. The Chiefs secondary is playing out of their minds right now.
I agree. They're getting mediocre (for the Chiefs) offensive production. But the D looks very good.
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Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,501
Back on my thing about the schedule. Giants on SNF AGAIN this week? As they say nowadays "What are we doing here?".
Well they were a playoff team last year. If this were a month from now, they'd flex out of it I bet.
I was wondering when that was starting. Jets and Giants in prime time... so annoying.
Yeah...as an Eagles fan I enjoy rooting against the Giants though.
It’s so boring. Like they are even a threat.
I’ll be watching the Texas baseball championship.
Spectrum 10/27/09; New Orleans JazzFest 5/1/10; Made in America 9/2/12; WF Center 10/21/13; WF Center 10/22/13; Baltimore Arena 10/27/13; WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22; Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
Back on my thing about the schedule. Giants on SNF AGAIN this week? As they say nowadays "What are we doing here?".
Well they were a playoff team last year. If this were a month from now, they'd flex out of it I bet.
I was wondering when that was starting. Jets and Giants in prime time... so annoying.
Yeah...as an Eagles fan I enjoy rooting against the Giants though.
I’ll be watching the Texas baseball championship.
aka ex-Giants managers championship.
If I had known then what I know now...
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
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All time great coach. He was ahead of everyone, and had the perfect dedicated QB for that (im of the opinion it was a perfect storm of B and
Now, the rest of the NFL is just as sophisticated as the Patriots were, and most cases more-so with 2023 technology, analytics, and outside the box thinking. The league has passed Belichick by. The true sign of insecure old guy is he keeps recycling underlings who will get in line and he is comfortable with.
But by not doing that, all Belichick has done over the past four years in lend credence to your assertion that he rode Brady's coattails. I disagree, but it's not like Belichick doesn't deserve that narrative. Nearly every personnel decision he's made over the past 8 years has been wrong, including letting Brady walk.
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I agree w/ @MayDay10, it really was a perfect storm of coach & qb combo that led them to all those titles.
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I don't begrudge Brady leaving... he wanted another ring and he wasn't getting that w/ New England. That's life.
Personnel decisions and drafting has been awful, as have been the retreads on the coaching staff. The obsession with trading down/out of the 1st round isn't working out. NKeal Harry 4 picks before Deebo has to hurt too.
The good news for Patriots fans, is you can turn it around pretty quickly in the NFL. Just need a good coach/GM tandem, some vision, and some luck. One or 2 years to clear the cap and accumulate assets and position to find the QB. Then you're off. Its actually easier to find a playoff/championship caliber QB than ever now and they can even be had on FA or trade.
Its just a matter of if Kraft would want to turf Belichick and bring in a whole new administration and voluntarily endure one or 2 lean years on the field (what is the difference with the hell they are in now?)
Don't think his ego would allow it, but GM Belichick should relive himself of those duties and worry about coaching only.
Baltimore Arena 10/27/13; WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18;
Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22; Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
8/28/98- Camden, NJ
10/31/09- Philly
5/21/10- NYC
9/2/12- Philly, PA
7/19/13- Wrigley
10/19/13- Brooklyn, NY
10/21/13- Philly, PA
10/22/13- Philly, PA
10/27/13- Baltimore, MD
Tres Mts.- 3/23/11- Philly
Eddie Vedder- 6/25/11- Philly
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
Fun watching his under 6ft ass getting ball after ball batted down at line of scrimage.
Baltimore Arena 10/27/13; WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18;
Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22; Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
aka ex-Giants managers championship.
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
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