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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,995
    Cliffy6745 said:
    The backstory is actually pretty horrifying too.  These girls were brought over with promises of real jobs, to become hookers by force.
    Yikes. Where did you find that info? I've just been seeing generic articles stating that Kraft has been charged...but not much else.
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  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,894
    Cliffy6745 said:
    The backstory is actually pretty horrifying too.  These girls were brought over with promises of real jobs, to become hookers by force.
    Let's be clear, Krafty Bob has nothing to do with the human trafficking stuff, just being charged as a john, which he has now categorically denied.
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,030
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    The backstory is actually pretty horrifying too.  These girls were brought over with promises of real jobs, to become hookers by force.
    Yikes. Where did you find that info? I've just been seeing generic articles stating that Kraft has been charged...but not much else.

  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,894
    The denial:

    A spokesperson for Robert Kraft has released the following statement: "We categorically deny that Mr. Kraft engaged in any illegal activity. Because it is a judicial matter, we will not be commenting further.”
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    edited February 2019


    How ironic that this happened on human trafficking awareness day!!!
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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,995
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    The backstory is actually pretty horrifying too.  These girls were brought over with promises of real jobs, to become hookers by force.
    Yikes. Where did you find that info? I've just been seeing generic articles stating that Kraft has been charged...but not much else.

    What a horrible thing. Human trafficking is the biggest global crisis that no one talks about. 

    I'll say this, there's more to life than how your football team performs. The Patriots have been (rightly) getting praised for winning another Super Bowl, while the Steelers have been (rightly) getting criticism for the Antonio Brown drama. But while Kraft apparently has been contributing to human trafficking, Mike Tomlin has been fighting it: https://steelersdepot.com/2018/09/mike-tomlin-talks-traveling-to-haiti-to-fight-human-trafficking/
    2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1

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  • Cliffy6745
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,030
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    The backstory is actually pretty horrifying too.  These girls were brought over with promises of real jobs, to become hookers by force.
    Yikes. Where did you find that info? I've just been seeing generic articles stating that Kraft has been charged...but not much else.

    What a horrible thing. Human trafficking is the biggest global crisis that no one talks about. 

    I'll say this, there's more to life than how your football team performs. The Patriots have been (rightly) getting praised for winning another Super Bowl, while the Steelers have been (rightly) getting criticism for the Antonio Brown drama. But while Kraft apparently has been contributing to human trafficking, Mike Tomlin has been fighting it: https://steelersdepot.com/2018/09/mike-tomlin-talks-traveling-to-haiti-to-fight-human-trafficking/
    I am unfortunately somewhat naive to it.  Obviously know it is a huge issue (and market here and other places), but not particularly aware of the extent.

    Tomlin seems like a legit dude.
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,943
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    The backstory is actually pretty horrifying too.  These girls were brought over with promises of real jobs, to become hookers by force.
    Yikes. Where did you find that info? I've just been seeing generic articles stating that Kraft has been charged...but not much else.

    can't wait to see all the Pats fans defending and/or denying this one.  you know they will...
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,030
    pjhawks said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    The backstory is actually pretty horrifying too.  These girls were brought over with promises of real jobs, to become hookers by force.
    Yikes. Where did you find that info? I've just been seeing generic articles stating that Kraft has been charged...but not much else.

    can't wait to see all the Pats fans defending and/or denying this one.  you know they will...
    One already is in the Pats thread...
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,995
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    The backstory is actually pretty horrifying too.  These girls were brought over with promises of real jobs, to become hookers by force.
    Yikes. Where did you find that info? I've just been seeing generic articles stating that Kraft has been charged...but not much else.

    What a horrible thing. Human trafficking is the biggest global crisis that no one talks about. 

    I'll say this, there's more to life than how your football team performs. The Patriots have been (rightly) getting praised for winning another Super Bowl, while the Steelers have been (rightly) getting criticism for the Antonio Brown drama. But while Kraft apparently has been contributing to human trafficking, Mike Tomlin has been fighting it: https://steelersdepot.com/2018/09/mike-tomlin-talks-traveling-to-haiti-to-fight-human-trafficking/
    I am unfortunately somewhat naive to it.  Obviously know it is a huge issue (and market here and other places), but not particularly aware of the extent.

    Tomlin seems like a legit dude.
    I wasn't either until I saw a gut-wrenching documentary some years ago. There's literally children that are born into being sex-slaves. Six-year-old boys and girls that spend their days in captivity as they wait for the next predator low-life to come in and rape them. It's beyond atrocious. I have great respect for Tomlin donating his time to try to help. 
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,030
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    The backstory is actually pretty horrifying too.  These girls were brought over with promises of real jobs, to become hookers by force.
    Yikes. Where did you find that info? I've just been seeing generic articles stating that Kraft has been charged...but not much else.

    What a horrible thing. Human trafficking is the biggest global crisis that no one talks about. 

    I'll say this, there's more to life than how your football team performs. The Patriots have been (rightly) getting praised for winning another Super Bowl, while the Steelers have been (rightly) getting criticism for the Antonio Brown drama. But while Kraft apparently has been contributing to human trafficking, Mike Tomlin has been fighting it: https://steelersdepot.com/2018/09/mike-tomlin-talks-traveling-to-haiti-to-fight-human-trafficking/
    I am unfortunately somewhat naive to it.  Obviously know it is a huge issue (and market here and other places), but not particularly aware of the extent.

    Tomlin seems like a legit dude.
    I wasn't either until I saw a gut-wrenching documentary some years ago. There's literally children that are born into being sex-slaves. Six-year-old boys and girls that spend their days in captivity as they wait for the next predator low-life to come in and rape them. It's beyond atrocious. I have great respect for Tomlin donating his time to try to help. 
    Ugh...jesus.

    Sooo, it reminds me of the El Chapo trial.  While I was never rooting for the guy, it almost seemed movie like.  Again, I know he was a horrible person who did horrible things, but you almost found some enjoyment in the trail and all the insane stories.  Then....they talk about how raping 13 year old girls as his "vitamins".  Fuuuuuuuck him and hang him.
  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,894
    Cliffy6745 said:
    pjhawks said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    The backstory is actually pretty horrifying too.  These girls were brought over with promises of real jobs, to become hookers by force.
    Yikes. Where did you find that info? I've just been seeing generic articles stating that Kraft has been charged...but not much else.

    can't wait to see all the Pats fans defending and/or denying this one.  you know they will...
    One already is in the Pats thread...
    Let's twist the truth Cliffy, eh?
    I didn't deny anything, just said he's not been accused of being part of a human trafficking ring as some folks reported earlier today, he is just accused of being a john. I doubt he knew that his "Masseuse" was being held against her will, same as the other johns who have been charged with solicitation. While Kraft and the other johns committed a crime, they have been charged with misdemeanors, the owners of the spas are the one charged with trafficking.
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  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,237
    Cliffy6745 said:pjhawks said:
    Cliffy6745 said:

    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    The backstory is actually pretty horrifying too.  These girls were brought over with promises of real jobs, to become hookers by force.
    Yikes. Where did you find that info? I've just been seeing generic articles stating that Kraft has been charged...but not much else.

    can't wait to see all the Pats fans defending and/or denying this one.  you know they will...
    One already is in the Pats thread...
    You do the crime you do the time.....I'm just pissed it had to happen here in South Florida, my county Palm Beach County.

    I can see the Patriots losing a 1st round pick or 2. Making him pay fine is a useless deterant.

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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,030
    Poncier said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    pjhawks said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    The backstory is actually pretty horrifying too.  These girls were brought over with promises of real jobs, to become hookers by force.
    Yikes. Where did you find that info? I've just been seeing generic articles stating that Kraft has been charged...but not much else.

    can't wait to see all the Pats fans defending and/or denying this one.  you know they will...
    One already is in the Pats thread...
    Let's twist the truth Cliffy, eh?
    I didn't deny anything, just said he's not been accused of being part of a human trafficking ring as some folks reported earlier today, he is just accused of being a john. I doubt he knew that his "Masseuse" was being held against her will, same as the other johns who have been charged with solicitation. While Kraft and the other johns committed a crime, they have been charged with misdemeanors, the owners of the spas are the one charged with trafficking.
    Again, if you are creating a market for it, you are contributing to it.

    Apparently there may be a bigger name to drop. Lotta athletes (Golfers!) in South Florida.
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739

    Give Peas A Chance…
  • JK_Livin
    JK_Livin South Jersey Posts: 7,365
    Mr. Kraft just got off the phone with Boras asking him to announce Bryce's signing!
    Alright, alright, alright!
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  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,836
    Good to know that at age 77 I might still care about shooting a load.

    Might make me look at old people a little differently.  @Wobbie
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  • ed243421
    ed243421 Posts: 7,736
    Why were the victims forced to give the cops hours of video tape before this shop was shut down?


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  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,894
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Poncier said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    pjhawks said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    The backstory is actually pretty horrifying too.  These girls were brought over with promises of real jobs, to become hookers by force.
    Yikes. Where did you find that info? I've just been seeing generic articles stating that Kraft has been charged...but not much else.

    can't wait to see all the Pats fans defending and/or denying this one.  you know they will...
    One already is in the Pats thread...
    Let's twist the truth Cliffy, eh?
    I didn't deny anything, just said he's not been accused of being part of a human trafficking ring as some folks reported earlier today, he is just accused of being a john. I doubt he knew that his "Masseuse" was being held against her will, same as the other johns who have been charged with solicitation. While Kraft and the other johns committed a crime, they have been charged with misdemeanors, the owners of the spas are the one charged with trafficking.


    Apparently there may be a bigger name to drop. Lotta athletes (Golfers!) in South Florida.
    Shefter has said Kraft is not the biggest name involved, but the list that's out so far has nobody else of note.

    Are any of these "spas" close to Mar a Lago?
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