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  • MayDay10MayDay10 Posts: 10,492
    Poncier said:
    But he doesn't have to be at his all pro level.
    Evans is the all pro talent in that offense. Who are you going to double? Evans has to be first priority, then Godwin. Gronk (and Brate and their slot guy) will have single coverage. Gronk will be able to beat most linebacker coverage or overpower most safety coverage when its just one guy.
    The key will be the O-line. If they hold up and give Brady time, he'll have guys open all over the place.
    For Brady, circa 2004-2017, I would say this would be a recipe for guaranteed success

    We saw him last year often struggle to get the ball downfield.  He missed open receivers, would bail quickly on plays.  The only things he could hit with regularity was the little short outs to Edelman and screens/dump offs to White.  

    Brady in Tampa Bay looks like a great headline and is sexy.... but there are like 25 QBs in the NFL, probably more with better physical tools right now.  That is why the Patriots chose to punt on him.  Outside of maybe 2 games, they were winning despite Brady, not because of him.  

  • MayDay10MayDay10 Posts: 10,492
    MayDay10 said:
    Will/can Gronkowski even be good?  Takes a year off.  Off the steroids so he is like 1/5th his playing size.  He will cycle on again, but training activities an such begin soon.  Not to mention, he was becoming extremely injury prone even 2 years ago.  

    I could easily see Tampa Bay being the 2019 Browns disappointment of 2020.  I remember how shot Brady's arm looked most of the time last year. He looked near the end.  As we have seen with QBs, the wall hits and doesnt relent.  Tampa doesnt offer a particularly good offensive line, and a poor defense.  Some shiny toys, 2 of them are very long in the tooth.  
    This is why Belichick does well in this deal.  He moves up in the draft without losing a player in this trade.  The Patriots had moved on from Gronk and it's hard to believe he'll be anything close to what he was while he was an All-Pro.

    Its found money.  An asset out of nothing
  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 11,460
    MayDay10 said:
    Poncier said:
    But he doesn't have to be at his all pro level.
    Evans is the all pro talent in that offense. Who are you going to double? Evans has to be first priority, then Godwin. Gronk (and Brate and their slot guy) will have single coverage. Gronk will be able to beat most linebacker coverage or overpower most safety coverage when its just one guy.
    The key will be the O-line. If they hold up and give Brady time, he'll have guys open all over the place.
    For Brady, circa 2004-2017, I would say this would be a recipe for guaranteed success

    We saw him last year often struggle to get the ball downfield.  He missed open receivers, would bail quickly on plays.  The only things he could hit with regularity was the little short outs to Edelman and screens/dump offs to White.  

    Brady in Tampa Bay looks like a great headline and is sexy.... but there are like 25 QBs in the NFL, probably more with better physical tools right now.  That is why the Patriots chose to punt on him.  Outside of maybe 2 games, they were winning despite Brady, not because of him.  

    I think Brady has a little more left than you are giving him credit for.
    Last year outside of Edelman and White, there was nobody who could get open on the team with any consistency. The rookies were running the wrong routes (Jakobi Meyers guilty of this numerous times) and the crap they had at TE couldn't separate at all.
    He bailed cause he had nowhere to go with the ball.
    Now clearly he's not 2007 Brady, but if we get a 16 game season I expect at least 40 TD passes with those weapons.
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 18,762
    Maybe this is all an elaborate ploy by Brady to associate TB with his name ... because I have no idea if anyone is talking about Tampa Bay or Tom Brady anymore when using TB and discussing the Bucs.  There could be some deep TB12 conspiracy shit going on here ...

    hmmm ....
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 38,081
    Poncier said:
    MayDay10 said:
    Poncier said:
    But he doesn't have to be at his all pro level.
    Evans is the all pro talent in that offense. Who are you going to double? Evans has to be first priority, then Godwin. Gronk (and Brate and their slot guy) will have single coverage. Gronk will be able to beat most linebacker coverage or overpower most safety coverage when its just one guy.
    The key will be the O-line. If they hold up and give Brady time, he'll have guys open all over the place.
    For Brady, circa 2004-2017, I would say this would be a recipe for guaranteed success

    We saw him last year often struggle to get the ball downfield.  He missed open receivers, would bail quickly on plays.  The only things he could hit with regularity was the little short outs to Edelman and screens/dump offs to White.  

    Brady in Tampa Bay looks like a great headline and is sexy.... but there are like 25 QBs in the NFL, probably more with better physical tools right now.  That is why the Patriots chose to punt on him.  Outside of maybe 2 games, they were winning despite Brady, not because of him.  

    I think Brady has a little more left than you are giving him credit for.
    Last year outside of Edelman and White, there was nobody who could get open on the team with any consistency. The rookies were running the wrong routes (Jakobi Meyers guilty of this numerous times) and the crap they had at TE couldn't separate at all.
    He bailed cause he had nowhere to go with the ball.
    Now clearly he's not 2007 Brady, but if we get a 16 game season I expect at least 40 TD passes with those weapons.
    I'm starting to think we may not get a season at all...
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 25,596
    Poncier said:
    MayDay10 said:
    Poncier said:
    But he doesn't have to be at his all pro level.
    Evans is the all pro talent in that offense. Who are you going to double? Evans has to be first priority, then Godwin. Gronk (and Brate and their slot guy) will have single coverage. Gronk will be able to beat most linebacker coverage or overpower most safety coverage when its just one guy.
    The key will be the O-line. If they hold up and give Brady time, he'll have guys open all over the place.
    For Brady, circa 2004-2017, I would say this would be a recipe for guaranteed success

    We saw him last year often struggle to get the ball downfield.  He missed open receivers, would bail quickly on plays.  The only things he could hit with regularity was the little short outs to Edelman and screens/dump offs to White.  

    Brady in Tampa Bay looks like a great headline and is sexy.... but there are like 25 QBs in the NFL, probably more with better physical tools right now.  That is why the Patriots chose to punt on him.  Outside of maybe 2 games, they were winning despite Brady, not because of him.  

    I think Brady has a little more left than you are giving him credit for.
    Last year outside of Edelman and White, there was nobody who could get open on the team with any consistency. The rookies were running the wrong routes (Jakobi Meyers guilty of this numerous times) and the crap they had at TE couldn't separate at all.
    He bailed cause he had nowhere to go with the ball.
    Now clearly he's not 2007 Brady, but if we get a 16 game season I expect at least 40 TD passes with those weapons.
    I'm starting to think we may not get a season at all...
    Oh but Team Trump Treason spoke to an owner who asked if he should be removing seats. Team Trump Treason said no, the stadiums are going to be full like they have been for the past 100 years. You should watch his covid19 propaganda rallies. They offer hope.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 38,081
    Poncier said:
    MayDay10 said:
    Poncier said:
    But he doesn't have to be at his all pro level.
    Evans is the all pro talent in that offense. Who are you going to double? Evans has to be first priority, then Godwin. Gronk (and Brate and their slot guy) will have single coverage. Gronk will be able to beat most linebacker coverage or overpower most safety coverage when its just one guy.
    The key will be the O-line. If they hold up and give Brady time, he'll have guys open all over the place.
    For Brady, circa 2004-2017, I would say this would be a recipe for guaranteed success

    We saw him last year often struggle to get the ball downfield.  He missed open receivers, would bail quickly on plays.  The only things he could hit with regularity was the little short outs to Edelman and screens/dump offs to White.  

    Brady in Tampa Bay looks like a great headline and is sexy.... but there are like 25 QBs in the NFL, probably more with better physical tools right now.  That is why the Patriots chose to punt on him.  Outside of maybe 2 games, they were winning despite Brady, not because of him.  

    I think Brady has a little more left than you are giving him credit for.
    Last year outside of Edelman and White, there was nobody who could get open on the team with any consistency. The rookies were running the wrong routes (Jakobi Meyers guilty of this numerous times) and the crap they had at TE couldn't separate at all.
    He bailed cause he had nowhere to go with the ball.
    Now clearly he's not 2007 Brady, but if we get a 16 game season I expect at least 40 TD passes with those weapons.
    I'm starting to think we may not get a season at all...
    Oh but Team Trump Treason spoke to an owner who asked if he should be removing seats. Team Trump Treason said no, the stadiums are going to be full like they have been for the past 100 years. You should watch his covid19 propaganda rallies. They offer hope.
    Speaking as a season ticket holder, who has a mother in law battling lung cancer and my own mom battling copd, can't see myself going to any events like that until the vaccine is out. My wife would probably kill me if I did go anyway!
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 25,596
    Poncier said:
    MayDay10 said:
    Poncier said:
    But he doesn't have to be at his all pro level.
    Evans is the all pro talent in that offense. Who are you going to double? Evans has to be first priority, then Godwin. Gronk (and Brate and their slot guy) will have single coverage. Gronk will be able to beat most linebacker coverage or overpower most safety coverage when its just one guy.
    The key will be the O-line. If they hold up and give Brady time, he'll have guys open all over the place.
    For Brady, circa 2004-2017, I would say this would be a recipe for guaranteed success

    We saw him last year often struggle to get the ball downfield.  He missed open receivers, would bail quickly on plays.  The only things he could hit with regularity was the little short outs to Edelman and screens/dump offs to White.  

    Brady in Tampa Bay looks like a great headline and is sexy.... but there are like 25 QBs in the NFL, probably more with better physical tools right now.  That is why the Patriots chose to punt on him.  Outside of maybe 2 games, they were winning despite Brady, not because of him.  

    I think Brady has a little more left than you are giving him credit for.
    Last year outside of Edelman and White, there was nobody who could get open on the team with any consistency. The rookies were running the wrong routes (Jakobi Meyers guilty of this numerous times) and the crap they had at TE couldn't separate at all.
    He bailed cause he had nowhere to go with the ball.
    Now clearly he's not 2007 Brady, but if we get a 16 game season I expect at least 40 TD passes with those weapons.
    I'm starting to think we may not get a season at all...
    Oh but Team Trump Treason spoke to an owner who asked if he should be removing seats. Team Trump Treason said no, the stadiums are going to be full like they have been for the past 100 years. You should watch his covid19 propaganda rallies. They offer hope.
    Speaking as a season ticket holder, who has a mother in law battling lung cancer and my own mom battling copd, can't see myself going to any events like that until the vaccine is out. My wife would probably kill me if I did go anyway!
    I don’t blame you, at all. But would you sit 6 seats apart? The idea of sports being played in empty stadiums seems so bizarre. Is it the same? Players think of it as the same? Is it fair? Crazy to think about.

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  • eeriepadaveeeriepadave West Chester, PAPosts: 33,757
    Finally a live sporting even besides wrestling. Draft starts at 8 right?
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  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 26,024
    Brady is going to have Evans, Godwin and Gronk to throw to next year.  If this season actually happens that's going to be a great offense. Bucs fans don't deserve a team like this....but also do Bucs fans even exist??  That stadium is always half empty and majority people there are rooting for the road team.  But I guess that doesn't matter since even if the NFL takes place this year I highly doubt there will be any fans there.
    bucs get a fuller stadium than fins.

    contract the bucs, fins, marlins, rays and whatever the hockey team is.
    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 18,762
    packers trade up for a qb???
  • CROJAM95CROJAM95 Posts: 6,709
    Jason P said:
    packers trade up for a qb???
    Mahomes fever

    Love looks like Mahomes, production shitty this year. But he can make Mahomes-esque throws
  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commetsPosts: 20,916
    edited April 24
    Interesting first round.  Loved the Niners' getting two guys who can start and contribute right away.

    Laughed out loud (a lot) at the Packers.
    I then read that this was the first skill position player they used a first round pick on since Rodgers on 2005.
    Laughed some more.  (Obviously I don't much like the Packers)

    Liked the reactions of the kids/families in their homes.  
    Didn't like it going past midnight but oh well.
    Post edited by F Me In The Brain on
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  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 26,024
    I just realized this morning that the draft had started. :lol:

    I don’t see herbert or love amounting to much.
    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • pjsteelerfanpjsteelerfan MarylandPosts: 9,822
    thought there would be a few more trades
    ...got a mind full of questions and a teacher in my soul...
  • lolobugglolobugg BLUE RDGE MTNSPosts: 7,971
    Wobbie said:
    I just realized this morning that the draft had started. :lol:

    I don’t see herbert or love amounting to much.

    #tankforTua!! Wobbie!!

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  • Glorified KCGlorified KC KCMO NativePosts: 1,778
    Winner for top ward-robe (pun intended).

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    Outnumbered and held down
    All of this talk of rapture
    Look around at the promise NOW,...
    Here and now
  • ikiTikiT USAPosts: 9,331
    Winner for top ward-robe (pun intended).

    this kid is going to love vegas...
    10 years in the 10club... 2010-2020 
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    Biggest loser CeeDee Lambs (soon to be ex) girlfriend? 
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  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commetsPosts: 20,916
    Biggest loser CeeDee Lambs (soon to be ex) girlfriend? 
    I saw that and laughed.
    My thought was similar on Ruggs' lady friend....
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  • Glorified KCGlorified KC KCMO NativePosts: 1,778
    edited April 24
    Folded over, forced in a choke hold
    Outnumbered and held down
    All of this talk of rapture
    Look around at the promise NOW,...
    Here and now
  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commetsPosts: 20,916
    Yeah I thought that was awesome
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • CROJAM95CROJAM95 Posts: 6,709
    who are those weirdos around Vrabel, his kids? its like they all took acid
  • cutzcutz Posts: 9,527
    ^^^ I don't know if they're his kids or not but some strange shit in these photos(Unless they were photo-shopped?)






  • Jason PJason P Posts: 18,762
    :lol:


  • Jason PJason P Posts: 18,762
    I like this version of Bill much better.  I bet he likes belly rubs.
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  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 11,460
    Jason P said:
    :lol:


    I think the dog may have actually made that pick at #37.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 38,081
    RIP the great Don Shula...


    Oh no, really? Damn it..
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