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  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commetsPosts: 19,809
    Poncier said:
     He's probably not capable of starting now, but is certainly deserving of a spot on an NFL roster, because I'm sure he can be one of the better #2's in the game.
    Question is would he be willing to sign as a back up for short money? If I recall that was part of the issue previously, he wanted starter money.
    As the article above pointed out (I realize it could be paywalled if you don't get The Athletic)  this was only a known issue with his last contract - the Broncos made it part of any trade for him that he take a pay cut.  He already had a contract so he didn't want to do that.
    Nobody has negotiated with him since, that we know of.  
    So your question is valid ...if he signs as a backup, is he willing to do so in line with what the backup range of pay is....We don't know 
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  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 11,039
    The Broncos trade talks must be what I was recalling (Athletic is behind a pay wall), just recalled at one point there was a salary issue that prevented him going somewhere.
    Just read that back then they wanted him to take $7Mil a year, now what would he likely get for an offer? Doubt it'd be anything close to 7 Mil.
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  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commetsPosts: 19,809
    Poncier said:
    The Broncos trade talks must be what I was recalling (Athletic is behind a pay wall), just recalled at one point there was a salary issue that prevented him going somewhere.
    Just read that back then they wanted him to take $7Mil a year, now what would he likely get for an offer? Doubt it'd be anything close to 7 Mil.
    Agree that it probably would not.  That wasn't a time where he was pretty clearly a back up - they had trash at qb then.

    I would think that he knows now he would sign as a back up and see where it went.

    He could price himself out, but until he does it feels like that is an empty excuse.
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  • cdthomas1981cdthomas1981 KCMO NativePosts: 1,477
    I think if teams had actually thought about signing him, he would have settled for a backup job eventually.  I’m convinced there was collusion to keep him from “disrespecting” the flag.  
  • cdthomas1981cdthomas1981 KCMO NativePosts: 1,477
    I am really proud to see Mahomes using his platform.


    "Mahomes said prominent people in the franchise will meet next week to form and create a voter registration initiative to help educate people of their voting rights and encourage them to get involved in social issues where they live."


  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 23,905
    Kap had 11 starts, with a 16-4 TD-INT ratio and almost 500 yards rushing at 6.8 ypa.  Doesn't seem neutralized or bad by those numbers.  Not to mention that was a terrible team around him.  His best days weren't in front of him, but he still had plenty of football left in him in 2017.  He's probably not capable of starting now, but is certainly deserving of a spot on an NFL roster, because I'm sure he can be one of the better #2's in the game.
    Everyone forgets that when Harbaugh left, Kap was done.  

    Harbaugh got maximum effort and efficiency from him.  Harbaugh was a hell of a coach and I believe when he saw in 14 that he wasn't going to be able to take the team any further than what they had done, overachieving, he took off to Michigan and the 49ers stunk even more.
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 13,303
    Kap had 11 starts, with a 16-4 TD-INT ratio and almost 500 yards rushing at 6.8 ypa.  Doesn't seem neutralized or bad by those numbers.  Not to mention that was a terrible team around him.  His best days weren't in front of him, but he still had plenty of football left in him in 2017.  He's probably not capable of starting now, but is certainly deserving of a spot on an NFL roster, because I'm sure he can be one of the better #2's in the game.
    Everyone forgets that when Harbaugh left, Kap was done.  

    Harbaugh got maximum effort and efficiency from him.  Harbaugh was a hell of a coach and I believe when he saw in 14 that he wasn't going to be able to take the team any further than what they had done, overachieving, he took off to Michigan and the 49ers stunk even more.
    I remember the Dolphins/Niners game from 2016. Kap played well, almost bringing them back from a large deficit, but he sure looked like he didn't want to be there. Just from a body language standpoint. Might have been because they were in the midst of a horrible season. Lord knows Randy Moss and others have said "fuck it" when things go south. But it was weird. Again, he played fine. But I always looked back at that game as "Eh, he might better off a civil rights activist than a football player." He seems more into the latter. 
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 23,905
    Kap had 11 starts, with a 16-4 TD-INT ratio and almost 500 yards rushing at 6.8 ypa.  Doesn't seem neutralized or bad by those numbers.  Not to mention that was a terrible team around him.  His best days weren't in front of him, but he still had plenty of football left in him in 2017.  He's probably not capable of starting now, but is certainly deserving of a spot on an NFL roster, because I'm sure he can be one of the better #2's in the game.
    Everyone forgets that when Harbaugh left, Kap was done.  

    Harbaugh got maximum effort and efficiency from him.  Harbaugh was a hell of a coach and I believe when he saw in 14 that he wasn't going to be able to take the team any further than what they had done, overachieving, he took off to Michigan and the 49ers stunk even more.
    I remember the Dolphins/Niners game from 2016. Kap played well, almost bringing them back from a large deficit, but he sure looked like he didn't want to be there. Just from a body language standpoint. Might have been because they were in the midst of a horrible season. Lord knows Randy Moss and others have said "fuck it" when things go south. But it was weird. Again, he played fine. But I always looked back at that game as "Eh, he might better off a civil rights activist than a football player." He seems more into the latter. 
    I remember Gino Smith coming in from backup for a game and same thing.  He did NOT want to be there and it showed.  Wasn't prepared.

    Kap's deal was different though.  The team sucked and he had a HUGE weight on his shoulders.
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 13,303
    Kap had 11 starts, with a 16-4 TD-INT ratio and almost 500 yards rushing at 6.8 ypa.  Doesn't seem neutralized or bad by those numbers.  Not to mention that was a terrible team around him.  His best days weren't in front of him, but he still had plenty of football left in him in 2017.  He's probably not capable of starting now, but is certainly deserving of a spot on an NFL roster, because I'm sure he can be one of the better #2's in the game.
    Everyone forgets that when Harbaugh left, Kap was done.  

    Harbaugh got maximum effort and efficiency from him.  Harbaugh was a hell of a coach and I believe when he saw in 14 that he wasn't going to be able to take the team any further than what they had done, overachieving, he took off to Michigan and the 49ers stunk even more.
    I remember the Dolphins/Niners game from 2016. Kap played well, almost bringing them back from a large deficit, but he sure looked like he didn't want to be there. Just from a body language standpoint. Might have been because they were in the midst of a horrible season. Lord knows Randy Moss and others have said "fuck it" when things go south. But it was weird. Again, he played fine. But I always looked back at that game as "Eh, he might better off a civil rights activist than a football player." He seems more into the latter. 
    I remember Gino Smith coming in from backup for a game and same thing.  He did NOT want to be there and it showed.  Wasn't prepared.

    Kap's deal was different though.  The team sucked and he had a HUGE weight on his shoulders.
    Yeah that's why I said it could be just a "fuck it" attitude during a tough season. But who knows, maybe that did factor into some GMs and scouts. Protest or no protest, if a team thought he could help, he would've been on a team in 2017. Patrick Mahomes could've knelt every game last year and it wouldn't have affected his employment a single bit. 
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  • cdthomas1981cdthomas1981 KCMO NativePosts: 1,477
    To each their own.  We would have never known and don't know if he wasn't signed in 2017 because he was so persistent on being a starter.  I stand by my opinion and think he would have been a good asset to a team in need of a starting QB or a high-value backup.
  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commetsPosts: 19,809
    Kap had 11 starts, with a 16-4 TD-INT ratio and almost 500 yards rushing at 6.8 ypa.  Doesn't seem neutralized or bad by those numbers.  Not to mention that was a terrible team around him.  His best days weren't in front of him, but he still had plenty of football left in him in 2017.  He's probably not capable of starting now, but is certainly deserving of a spot on an NFL roster, because I'm sure he can be one of the better #2's in the game.
    Everyone forgets that when Harbaugh left, Kap was done.  

    Harbaugh got maximum effort and efficiency from him.  Harbaugh was a hell of a coach and I believe when he saw in 14 that he wasn't going to be able to take the team any further than what they had done, overachieving, he took off to Michigan and the 49ers stunk even more.
    He and team management hated each other.
    Honestly the management in place was a joke.
    Also....who would not find it easy to hate Captain Caveman?
    That guy is a douchelord's douchelord.
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 23,905
    Kap had 11 starts, with a 16-4 TD-INT ratio and almost 500 yards rushing at 6.8 ypa.  Doesn't seem neutralized or bad by those numbers.  Not to mention that was a terrible team around him.  His best days weren't in front of him, but he still had plenty of football left in him in 2017.  He's probably not capable of starting now, but is certainly deserving of a spot on an NFL roster, because I'm sure he can be one of the better #2's in the game.
    Everyone forgets that when Harbaugh left, Kap was done.  

    Harbaugh got maximum effort and efficiency from him.  Harbaugh was a hell of a coach and I believe when he saw in 14 that he wasn't going to be able to take the team any further than what they had done, overachieving, he took off to Michigan and the 49ers stunk even more.
    He and team management hated each other.
    Honestly the management in place was a joke.
    Also....who would not find it easy to hate Captain Caveman?
    That guy is a douchelord's douchelord.
    Captain Caveman?
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 36,935
    edited June 11
    There are absolutely teams who could use Kaepernick. My fucking team could've used him last year, I know that. 

    I also do not buy the "once Harbaugh left, he was done" argument. Is Jim Harbaugh Don Shula for Christ's sake? There are plenty of other capable OC's and head coaches who can find a way to utilize the guy's talent. 
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  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commetsPosts: 19,809
    Kap had 11 starts, with a 16-4 TD-INT ratio and almost 500 yards rushing at 6.8 ypa.  Doesn't seem neutralized or bad by those numbers.  Not to mention that was a terrible team around him.  His best days weren't in front of him, but he still had plenty of football left in him in 2017.  He's probably not capable of starting now, but is certainly deserving of a spot on an NFL roster, because I'm sure he can be one of the better #2's in the game.
    Everyone forgets that when Harbaugh left, Kap was done.  

    Harbaugh got maximum effort and efficiency from him.  Harbaugh was a hell of a coach and I believe when he saw in 14 that he wasn't going to be able to take the team any further than what they had done, overachieving, he took off to Michigan and the 49ers stunk even more.
    He and team management hated each other.
    Honestly the management in place was a joke.
    Also....who would not find it easy to hate Captain Caveman?
    That guy is a douchelord's douchelord.
    Captain Caveman?
    Yeah, Harbaugh.

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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 23,905
    There are absolutely teams who could use Kaepernick. My fucking team could've used him last year, I know that. 

    I also do not buy the "once Harbaugh left, he was done" argument. Is Jim Harbaugh Don Shula for Christ's sake? There are plenty of other capable OC's and head coaches who can find a way to utilize the guy's talent. 
    He's known for getting a lot out of QB's and called a quarterback whisperer.

    It's not hard to see that when he left the team really went to shit.  The whole Niners team overachieved with him there.
  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commetsPosts: 19,809
    edited June 17
    For the Kaep haters....great breakdown of why as many as 20 teams might do well to consider him as backup.  Easily 10, maybe 15-20 who would be significantly better with him as backup.
    https://theathletic.com/1875148/2020/06/16/sando-best-fits-for-colin-kaepernick?source=user-shared-article
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 36,935
    edited June 17
    There are absolutely teams who could use Kaepernick. My fucking team could've used him last year, I know that. 

    I also do not buy the "once Harbaugh left, he was done" argument. Is Jim Harbaugh Don Shula for Christ's sake? There are plenty of other capable OC's and head coaches who can find a way to utilize the guy's talent. 
    He's known for getting a lot out of QB's and called a quarterback whisperer.

    It's not hard to see that when he left the team really went to shit.  The whole Niners team overachieved with him there.
    He's hardly the only coach ever to be known for getting a lot out of his qb's. He had 3 good seasons as a coach in the NFL before hightailing it to Michigan. Big deal. 

    And 5 years later the team was in the Super Bowl again without him. 
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 18,130
    edited June 17
    There are absolutely teams who could use Kaepernick. My fucking team could've used him last year, I know that. 

    I also do not buy the "once Harbaugh left, he was done" argument. Is Jim Harbaugh Don Shula for Christ's sake? There are plenty of other capable OC's and head coaches who can find a way to utilize the guy's talent. 
    He's known for getting a lot out of QB's and called a quarterback whisperer.

    It's not hard to see that when he left the team really went to shit.  The whole Niners team overachieved with him there.
    He's hardly the only coach ever to be known for getting a lot out of his qb's. He had 3 good seasons as a coach in the NFL before hightailing it to Michigan. Big deal. 

    And 5 years later the team was in the Super Bowl again without him. 
    annnnd he's 0-5 vs OSU........
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  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commetsPosts: 19,809
    There are absolutely teams who could use Kaepernick. My fucking team could've used him last year, I know that. 

    I also do not buy the "once Harbaugh left, he was done" argument. Is Jim Harbaugh Don Shula for Christ's sake? There are plenty of other capable OC's and head coaches who can find a way to utilize the guy's talent. 
    He's known for getting a lot out of QB's and called a quarterback whisperer.

    It's not hard to see that when he left the team really went to shit.  The whole Niners team overachieved with him there.
    He's hardly the only coach ever to be known for getting a lot out of his qb's. He had 3 good seasons as a coach in the NFL before hightailing it to Michigan. Big deal. 

    And 5 years later the team was in the Super Bowl again without him. 
    And the guy is still a giant dbag.....and Michigan sucks 
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  • cdthomas1981cdthomas1981 KCMO NativePosts: 1,477
    mickeyrat said:
    There are absolutely teams who could use Kaepernick. My fucking team could've used him last year, I know that. 

    I also do not buy the "once Harbaugh left, he was done" argument. Is Jim Harbaugh Don Shula for Christ's sake? There are plenty of other capable OC's and head coaches who can find a way to utilize the guy's talent. 
    He's known for getting a lot out of QB's and called a quarterback whisperer.

    It's not hard to see that when he left the team really went to shit.  The whole Niners team overachieved with him there.
    He's hardly the only coach ever to be known for getting a lot out of his qb's. He had 3 good seasons as a coach in the NFL before hightailing it to Michigan. Big deal. 

    And 5 years later the team was in the Super Bowl again without him. 
    annnnd he's 1-5 vs OSU........

    Actually, I think he's winless against the Buckeyes.  Did actually beat them one year?
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 36,935
    Jim Harbaugh blows!
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 18,130
    mickeyrat said:
    There are absolutely teams who could use Kaepernick. My fucking team could've used him last year, I know that. 

    I also do not buy the "once Harbaugh left, he was done" argument. Is Jim Harbaugh Don Shula for Christ's sake? There are plenty of other capable OC's and head coaches who can find a way to utilize the guy's talent. 
    He's known for getting a lot out of QB's and called a quarterback whisperer.

    It's not hard to see that when he left the team really went to shit.  The whole Niners team overachieved with him there.
    He's hardly the only coach ever to be known for getting a lot out of his qb's. He had 3 good seasons as a coach in the NFL before hightailing it to Michigan. Big deal. 

    And 5 years later the team was in the Super Bowl again without him. 
    annnnd he's 1-5 vs OSU........

    Actually, I think he's winless against the Buckeyes.  Did actually beat them one year?
    no. fucking wiki.....

    you're right. he hasn't. Urban made him his bitch then handed the leash to Day...
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 23,905
    edited June 18
    There are absolutely teams who could use Kaepernick. My fucking team could've used him last year, I know that. 

    I also do not buy the "once Harbaugh left, he was done" argument. Is Jim Harbaugh Don Shula for Christ's sake? There are plenty of other capable OC's and head coaches who can find a way to utilize the guy's talent. 
    He's known for getting a lot out of QB's and called a quarterback whisperer.

    It's not hard to see that when he left the team really went to shit.  The whole Niners team overachieved with him there.
    He's hardly the only coach ever to be known for getting a lot out of his qb's. He had 3 good seasons as a coach in the NFL before hightailing it to Michigan. Big deal. 

    And 5 years later the team was in the Super Bowl again without him. 
    Without Kap too.

    EDIT: And with the better QB in Garapolo.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 18,130
    There are absolutely teams who could use Kaepernick. My fucking team could've used him last year, I know that. 

    I also do not buy the "once Harbaugh left, he was done" argument. Is Jim Harbaugh Don Shula for Christ's sake? There are plenty of other capable OC's and head coaches who can find a way to utilize the guy's talent. 
    He's known for getting a lot out of QB's and called a quarterback whisperer.

    It's not hard to see that when he left the team really went to shit.  The whole Niners team overachieved with him there.
    He's hardly the only coach ever to be known for getting a lot out of his qb's. He had 3 good seasons as a coach in the NFL before hightailing it to Michigan. Big deal. 

    And 5 years later the team was in the Super Bowl again without him. 
    Without Kap too.

    EDIT: And with the better QB in Garapolo.
    what other personnel changes were made in that time?
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 23,905
    mickeyrat said:
    There are absolutely teams who could use Kaepernick. My fucking team could've used him last year, I know that. 

    I also do not buy the "once Harbaugh left, he was done" argument. Is Jim Harbaugh Don Shula for Christ's sake? There are plenty of other capable OC's and head coaches who can find a way to utilize the guy's talent. 
    He's known for getting a lot out of QB's and called a quarterback whisperer.

    It's not hard to see that when he left the team really went to shit.  The whole Niners team overachieved with him there.
    He's hardly the only coach ever to be known for getting a lot out of his qb's. He had 3 good seasons as a coach in the NFL before hightailing it to Michigan. Big deal. 

    And 5 years later the team was in the Super Bowl again without him. 
    Without Kap too.

    EDIT: And with the better QB in Garapolo.
    what other personnel changes were made in that time?
    Well if you are a coach you get to pick your staff so all of Harbaughs guys are gone. Only Rathman remained.

    5 years for a football team can be a complete change.  The following years not so much.

    The main thing that changed was Harbaugh leaving in my eyes.  Kap never passes the eye test for me.  The whole team overachieved under Harbaugh.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 18,130
    mickeyrat said:
    There are absolutely teams who could use Kaepernick. My fucking team could've used him last year, I know that. 

    I also do not buy the "once Harbaugh left, he was done" argument. Is Jim Harbaugh Don Shula for Christ's sake? There are plenty of other capable OC's and head coaches who can find a way to utilize the guy's talent. 
    He's known for getting a lot out of QB's and called a quarterback whisperer.

    It's not hard to see that when he left the team really went to shit.  The whole Niners team overachieved with him there.
    He's hardly the only coach ever to be known for getting a lot out of his qb's. He had 3 good seasons as a coach in the NFL before hightailing it to Michigan. Big deal. 

    And 5 years later the team was in the Super Bowl again without him. 
    Without Kap too.

    EDIT: And with the better QB in Garapolo.
    what other personnel changes were made in that time?
    Well if you are a coach you get to pick your staff so all of Harbaughs guys are gone. Only Rathman remained.

    5 years for a football team can be a complete change.  The following years not so much.

    The main thing that changed was Harbaugh leaving in my eyes.  Kap never passes the eye test for me.  The whole team overachieved under Harbaugh.
    and he couldnt seem to have michigan even achieve much less overachieve......
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 23,905
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    There are absolutely teams who could use Kaepernick. My fucking team could've used him last year, I know that. 

    I also do not buy the "once Harbaugh left, he was done" argument. Is Jim Harbaugh Don Shula for Christ's sake? There are plenty of other capable OC's and head coaches who can find a way to utilize the guy's talent. 
    He's known for getting a lot out of QB's and called a quarterback whisperer.

    It's not hard to see that when he left the team really went to shit.  The whole Niners team overachieved with him there.
    He's hardly the only coach ever to be known for getting a lot out of his qb's. He had 3 good seasons as a coach in the NFL before hightailing it to Michigan. Big deal. 

    And 5 years later the team was in the Super Bowl again without him. 
    Without Kap too.

    EDIT: And with the better QB in Garapolo.
    what other personnel changes were made in that time?
    Well if you are a coach you get to pick your staff so all of Harbaughs guys are gone. Only Rathman remained.

    5 years for a football team can be a complete change.  The following years not so much.

    The main thing that changed was Harbaugh leaving in my eyes.  Kap never passes the eye test for me.  The whole team overachieved under Harbaugh.
    and he couldnt seem to have michigan even achieve much less overachieve......
    Not a good comparison.  
    Kap fell apart after he left, Harbaugh knew the team overachieved.
    The wheels just fell off.

    It's like the Jets when they made it to two Championship games and lost.  Overachieved.
  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 11,039
    mickeyrat said:
    There are absolutely teams who could use Kaepernick. My fucking team could've used him last year, I know that. 

    I also do not buy the "once Harbaugh left, he was done" argument. Is Jim Harbaugh Don Shula for Christ's sake? There are plenty of other capable OC's and head coaches who can find a way to utilize the guy's talent. 
    He's known for getting a lot out of QB's and called a quarterback whisperer.

    It's not hard to see that when he left the team really went to shit.  The whole Niners team overachieved with him there.
    He's hardly the only coach ever to be known for getting a lot out of his qb's. He had 3 good seasons as a coach in the NFL before hightailing it to Michigan. Big deal. 

    And 5 years later the team was in the Super Bowl again without him. 
    Without Kap too.

    EDIT: And with the better QB in Garapolo.
    what other personnel changes were made in that time?
     
    The main thing that changed was Harbaugh leaving in my eyes.  
    Joe Staley was the only 49er on the roster for both SB 47 and SB 54, so I'd say there was a tad more to it than Harbaugh leaving.
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 23,905
    Poncier said:
    mickeyrat said:
    There are absolutely teams who could use Kaepernick. My fucking team could've used him last year, I know that. 

    I also do not buy the "once Harbaugh left, he was done" argument. Is Jim Harbaugh Don Shula for Christ's sake? There are plenty of other capable OC's and head coaches who can find a way to utilize the guy's talent. 
    He's known for getting a lot out of QB's and called a quarterback whisperer.

    It's not hard to see that when he left the team really went to shit.  The whole Niners team overachieved with him there.
    He's hardly the only coach ever to be known for getting a lot out of his qb's. He had 3 good seasons as a coach in the NFL before hightailing it to Michigan. Big deal. 

    And 5 years later the team was in the Super Bowl again without him. 
    Without Kap too.

    EDIT: And with the better QB in Garapolo.
    what other personnel changes were made in that time?
     
    The main thing that changed was Harbaugh leaving in my eyes.  
    Joe Staley was the only 49er on the roster for both SB 47 and SB 54, so I'd say there was a tad more to it than Harbaugh leaving.
    Using one OL that stuck around isn't a very convincing argument.

    1-The team overachieved.  It's ok to say that and to admit that.  Teams do it all the time.
    2-Harbaugh left.  He saw the ship going down and had zero desire to try and right it because of management he dealt with in the upstairs.
    3-Kap isn't that good, see #1.
    4-Trent Dilfer won a Superbowl.  I repeat, Trent Dilfer.
  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 11,039
    My argument is that the whole team changed form one SB appearance to the next, it wasn't just Harbaugh leaving. So what Harbaugh did there (and Kaepernick as well) has nothing to with the current success. Mickey asked what personnel changes were made, and you said the main change was Harbaugh leaving...the entire team has changed. 52 of 53 players.
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