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RW81233

besides dude's dead....gone...never to return. i think that's his ultimate accountability.

mickeyrat

RW81233 wrote:

individuals make decisions based on several things....many times they make sense based on where they come from. do rich people (who are more often white based on a variety of historical things) have more of a range of decisions to make? do poor people (who are more often minorities) have less of a range of decisions to make? i mean this is pretty elementary stuff. of course if you don't like to think through an individual's context then it's easier to simply blame the individual and be done with it. of course seau and the 1199 other football players made a decision to play pro football, but was that their number 1 choice in life? if so why? if not, why did they decide to put their life on the line? to me that's far more interesting to think about that just me, man, me decide to do xyz.

how many kids OR their parents for that matter actually understand the all the risks associated with some of these sports and there long term potential consequences??

81

mickeyrat wrote:

RW81233 wrote:

individuals make decisions based on several things....many times they make sense based on where they come from. do rich people (who are more often white based on a variety of historical things) have more of a range of decisions to make? do poor people (who are more often minorities) have less of a range of decisions to make? i mean this is pretty elementary stuff. of course if you don't like to think through an individual's context then it's easier to simply blame the individual and be done with it. of course seau and the 1199 other football players made a decision to play pro football, but was that their number 1 choice in life? if so why? if not, why did they decide to put their life on the line? to me that's far more interesting to think about that just me, man, me decide to do xyz.

how many kids OR their parents for that matter actually understand the all the risks associated with some of these sports and there long term potential consequences??

only the white ones fully understand the risks.....

81

Did you know that Pop Warner football is safer than soccer? Pop Warner football has 12% fewer injuries per capita among 5-15 year olds than organized soccer in the same age range! (U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission, NEISS)

http://www.popwarner.com/football/pop.asp

RW81233

mickeyrat wrote:

RW81233 wrote:

individuals make decisions based on several things....many times they make sense based on where they come from. do rich people (who are more often white based on a variety of historical things) have more of a range of decisions to make? do poor people (who are more often minorities) have less of a range of decisions to make? i mean this is pretty elementary stuff. of course if you don't like to think through an individual's context then it's easier to simply blame the individual and be done with it. of course seau and the 1199 other football players made a decision to play pro football, but was that their number 1 choice in life? if so why? if not, why did they decide to put their life on the line? to me that's far more interesting to think about that just me, man, me decide to do xyz.

how many kids OR their parents for that matter actually understand the all the risks associated with some of these sports and there long term potential consequences??

many probably know the risks - especially as they get into college and they start classes that focus on that. how many care though? or think that it won't happen to them? or literally can't afford to care? 81 is really saving white people today.

DS1119

I guess we could all just sit in classrooms all day long and get educated about the dangers and risks of everything that may be involved with life and by the time the final bell rings we would just about be ready for the retirement home.

mickeyrat

RW81233 wrote:

Jason P wrote:

RW81233 wrote:

what is the racial and class make up of those playing again?

In high school or the NFL? Does "the man" have something against middle-upper class white dudes?

Also, did you ever play high school football?

well since it's tough for poorer kids to afford football equipment there are a lot of upper-middle class white kids playing the game, but as they progress into lives that offer other opportunities besides sport interest in a game that takes 20 years off your life wanes it's pretty well documented. no i did not play high school football, i played baseball at the collegiate level, golf and basketball in high school. i'm not sure if that means i am not allowed to speak on the subject of people dying too young because they play a sport.

the kids who cant afford the equipment will play anyway affording a higher likelyhood for injury. Who in thos thread hasnt played tackle football in the backyard or somewhere else without gear?

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81

mickeyrat wrote:

Who in thos thread hasnt played tackle football in the backyard or somewhere else with gear?

we couldn't afford a football when i was a kid.

Jason P

RW81233 wrote:

i'm not saying it's some massive conspiracy to not play football, but, is it good or bad parenting if I try to persuade my son not to play football because he has parents that will (hopefully) be able to put him through college and get a job that doesn't put his life on the line? If I can't put him through college is it good or bad parenting to try to persuade him to play football because it could get him a scholarship to college and maybe make him millions? i understand that is very simplistic, but just as a starting point. Further, it's not like I'm making this scenario up look at the social class standing that most NFL players come from, or baseball players coming from the Dominican Republic, or UFC fighters, etc.

If you are well off, extra-curricular sports should supported if the child has an interest in it.

If you can't put your kids through college, then you should be encouraging them to get good grades so that grants and scholarships are available. That is what a responsible parent would do. Telling your kid the only shot they have is if they can play football, basketball, or baseball is probably the dumbest thing you can do with the exception of buying them lottery tickets.

Also, there are tons of poor white people. The middle class is pretty much gone the way of the dodo according to you, so what gives???? I imagine a majority of those working in manufacturing and retail can't send one or multiple kids to a public school at $20K a year.

So what other factors enter the equation?

RW81233

Jason P wrote:

RW81233 wrote:

i'm not saying it's some massive conspiracy to not play football, but, is it good or bad parenting if I try to persuade my son not to play football because he has parents that will (hopefully) be able to put him through college and get a job that doesn't put his life on the line? If I can't put him through college is it good or bad parenting to try to persuade him to play football because it could get him a scholarship to college and maybe make him millions? i understand that is very simplistic, but just as a starting point. Further, it's not like I'm making this scenario up look at the social class standing that most NFL players come from, or baseball players coming from the Dominican Republic, or UFC fighters, etc.

If you are well off, extra-curricular sports should supported if the child has an interest in it.

If you can't put your kids through college, then you should be encouraging them to get good grades so that grants and scholarships are available. That is what a responsible parent would do. Telling your kid the only shot they have is if they can play football, basketball, or baseball is probably the dumbest thing you can do with the exception of buying them lottery tickets.

Also, there are tons of poor white people. The middle class is pretty much gone the way of the dodo according to you, so what gives???? I imagine a majority of those working in manufacturing and retail can't send one or multiple kids to a public school at $20K a year.

So what other factors enter the equation?

now you're speaking my language...there are tons of factors that go into it, including the culture of the people around you, what country you're from, what area of that country you're from, if you are a boy or a girl, etc. I mean in the DR nearly every boy is expected to play baseball and make it professionally, if they don't they come home failures. why not get an education there? because you're more likely to get a job as a bellhop than a white-collar profession because of the destitute economy. in the US with a declining middle-class, and declining job opportunities as they get outsourced or eliminated, we may very well be seeing more poor white kids trying to get into athletics. problem is getting good at a sport like basketball almost necessarily means that you have to live in the city (i think something like 90 percent of the NBA black, white, latino, french, german, argentinian, and so on were raised in an urban city center) to get good. At present, poor white people don't like living in the city in the US.

DS1119

There aren't a lot of Inuit people in major league sports either. They deserve better.

Jason P

RW81233 wrote:

now you're speaking my language...there are tons of factors that go into it, including the culture of the people around you, what country you're from, what area of that country you're from, if you are a boy or a girl, etc. I mean in the DR nearly every boy is expected to play baseball and make it professionally, if they don't they come home failures. why not get an education there? because you're more likely to get a job as a bellhop than a white-collar profession because of the destitute economy. in the US with a declining middle-class, and declining job opportunities as they get outsourced or eliminated, we may very well be seeing more poor white kids trying to get into athletics. problem is getting good at a sport like basketball almost necessarily means that you have to live in the city (i think something like 90 percent of the NBA black, white, latino, french, german, argentinian, and so on were raised in an urban city center) to get good. At present, poor white people don't like living in the city in the US.

So as America gets more poor, white men will soon be able to dunk? :think:

Woody Harrelson is going to be thrilled.

RW81233

oh no...now you're getting into racial essentialism. contrary to popular belief there is, in fact, no such thing as a dunking gene, or linebacker gene, or quarterback gene. i mean did black people lose the baseball gene and give it to Latinos? anyway you do know who dominated basketball in the early 1900s right? Jews, because they lived in the city. They used to say things like Jews are born with a basketball in their hand, and can run faster and jump higher than white people (back when Jewish people weren't considered white...now that Ryan Braun got away with using steroids he's proved that they have arrived in America as white people . Then when they started making money and moving to the suburbs Jews were replaced by black people and they began to dominate the sport, now, as Latino's start to make their presence felt in the city they are suddenly popping up in basketball.

Monster Rain

This is a very moving story. Greg Schiano decided to do something very nice for Eric LeGrand, the Rutgers player who was paralyzed during a game a couple seasons ago.It's mostly a ceremonial gesture but it's still a very thoughtful thing he did for his former player.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/f ... nfl_t2_a12

dougfloyd

:corn:

Jason P

RW81233 wrote:

oh no...now you're getting into racial essentialism. contrary to popular belief there is, in fact, no such thing as a dunking gene, or linebacker gene, or quarterback gene. i mean did black people lose the baseball gene and give it to Latinos? anyway you do know who dominated basketball in the early 1900s right? Jews, because they lived in the city. They used to say things like Jews are born with a basketball in their hand, and can run faster and jump higher than white people (back when Jewish people weren't considered white...now that Ryan Braun got away with using steroids he's proved that they have arrived in America as white people . Then when they started making money and moving to the suburbs Jews were replaced by black people and they began to dominate the sport, now, as Latino's start to make their presence felt in the city they are suddenly popping up in basketball.

You make a stereotypical comment about poor white people not liking to live in the city, I make a reference to a stereotypical movie from the 90's, and I'm getting into racial essentialism?

We went from the draft, to Seau's untimely death, to wanting to ban football, to white privilege, to socioeconomic privilege, to racial essentialism ... it's been a long and strange trip, my friend. But sadly, one that must end. Our viewpoints are so drastically different, it doesn't even make much sense to debate this issue(s) anymore.

I'm going to watch some playoff hockey.

I bid you adieu.

DS1119

Jason P wrote:

We went from the draft, to Seau's untimely death, to wanting to ban football, to white privilege, to socioeconomic privilege, to racial essentialism .

You forgot the Inuits.

81

Jason P wrote:

We went from the draft, to Seau's untimely death, to wanting to ban football, to white privilege, to socioeconomic privilege, to racial essentialism ... it's been a long and strange trip, my friend. But sadly, one that must end. Our viewpoints are so drastically different, it doesn't even make much sense to debate this issue(s) anymore.

welcome to an RW conversation.

dougfloyd

81 wrote:

Jason P wrote:

We went from the draft, to Seau's untimely death, to wanting to ban football, to white privilege, to socioeconomic privilege, to racial essentialism ... it's been a long and strange trip, my friend. But sadly, one that must end. Our viewpoints are so drastically different, it doesn't even make much sense to debate this issue(s) anymore.

welcome to an RW conversation.

In the words of T.O., get your popcorn ready! :corn:

RW81233

81 wrote:

Jason P wrote:

We went from the draft, to Seau's untimely death, to wanting to ban football, to white privilege, to socioeconomic privilege, to racial essentialism ... it's been a long and strange trip, my friend. But sadly, one that must end. Our viewpoints are so drastically different, it doesn't even make much sense to debate this issue(s) anymore.

welcome to an RW conversation.

sorry if i don't just watch things in a vacuum i can't help it... ...it's also kinda my job. i do also think the idea of "free will" is far too simplistic and that often leads to these debates.