The National Football League

Jason P

dougfloyd wrote:

Ravens Terrell Suggs tore his achilles playing basketball, probably out for the 2012 season... :fp:

That will be tough hole to fill.

It appears playing basketball is becoming too hazardous to the players.

RW81233

Jason P wrote:

RW81233 wrote:

what is the racial and class make up of those playing again?

In high school or the NFL? Does "the man" have something against middle-upper class white dudes?

Also, did you ever play high school football?

well since it's tough for poorer kids to afford football equipment there are a lot of upper-middle class white kids playing the game, but as they progress into lives that offer other opportunities besides sport interest in a game that takes 20 years off your life wanes it's pretty well documented. no i did not play high school football, i played baseball at the collegiate level, golf and basketball in high school. i'm not sure if that means i am not allowed to speak on the subject of people dying too young because they play a sport.

Jason P

81 wrote:

trust me...you don't wanna go there. :nono: :fp:

you are going to get a headache

You are probably right. I like this thread and want to keep it going so I'm not going to keep kicking the horse.

Onward and upward!

dougfloyd

DewieCox wrote:

dougfloyd wrote:

It's more amazing to me that boxing, MMA, UFC, etc are still popular.

Is boxing really popular?? I always thought it was dying out at a pretty steady rate.

I'd bet there are more long term type injuries in an NFL week than I've ever heard from UFC.

Yep, I think you're right on both points. I know boxing isn't really popular like it once was. I was just saying that it surprises me that we still consider 2 people getting in a ring and trying to beat the crap out of each other a sport. And I enjoy a good boxing match, it's just an interesting thing what we consider acceptable/appropriate.

RW81233

dougfloyd wrote:

RW81233 wrote:

dougfloyd wrote:

This is just part of the news cycle after something tragic happens, the over-reactions about it should be shutdown. There's too much money involved, it's never going to go away, just more scrutiny will mean more and more safety rules, etc. You see similar stuff when accidents happen in Nascar, Indy car, etc. It's more amazing to me that boxing, MMA, UFC, etc are still popular.

seriously dudes are dying because of this sport and you say this is an overreaction... :fp:

I get it, I'm just saying this is what happens with the news cycle. Somebody will argue the extreme of one side and somebody will take the extreme to the opposite side. There were articles last night about we should ban college football. My point was that stuff like that isn't going to happen. People die in auto racing and the sport keeps going. As the studies find out more and more about the dangers of football I'm sure the sport will change and more and more parents will not want their kids playing it. But the stance that football should just be banned altogether is an overreaction. Look around this country, things that are dangerous don't get banned when there is money involved (see tobacco companies). Just my opinion on what will happen, not saying what is the right thing to do.

i'm just thinking that the nfl is gonna be dodging lawsuits and the money they are raking in might not be so lucrative. i do agree with pretty much everything you're saying though.

RW81233

81 wrote:

Jason P wrote:

RW81233 wrote:

what is the racial and class make up of those playing again?

In high school or the NFL? Does "the man" have something against middle-upper class white dudes?

Also, did you ever play high school football?

trust me...you don't wanna go there. :nono: :fp:

you are going to get a headache

some of us would rather just watch the game and not think about what makes it go...i'm not one of them sorry

dougfloyd

RW81233 wrote:

i'm just thinking that the nfl is gonna be dodging lawsuits and the money they are raking in might not be so lucrative. i do agree with pretty much everything you're saying though.

Yep, it will be interesting to see what lawsuits are filed against the league over the next few years.

At least we still have the NBA playoffs to watch for now I miss the NFL and need my sports fix.

JK_Livin

dougfloyd wrote:

RW81233 wrote:

i'm just thinking that the nfl is gonna be dodging lawsuits and the money they are raking in might not be so lucrative. i do agree with pretty much everything you're saying though.

Yep, it will be interesting to see what lawsuits are filed against the league over the next few years.

At least we still have the NBA playoffs to watch for now I miss the NFL and need my sports fix.

There are currently 1200 ex-players suing the NFL for football related injuries.

RW81233

well football's been nearly banned by presidential decree before and it's still going strong...just getting crazier. i have had three football players at the DIA level in my classes this year and the bruises they get at just this level are gross. and yes NBA playoffs minus one of it's biggest chokers are fun to watch.

Jason P

RW81233 wrote:

well since it's tough for poorer kids to afford football equipment there are a lot of upper-middle class white kids playing the game, but as they progress into lives that offer other opportunities besides sport interest in a game that takes 20 years off your life wanes it's pretty well documented.

That sums up my life. I had the skills to play outside linebacker for a Big Ten school and the Colts but decided the risks were not worth it. Of course, this was all decided after a secret meeting with the Royal Assembly of the Stonecutters.

81

if you don't like being poor........go do something.

Ledbetterman10

Suggs out for the season after tearing his achilles playing basketball

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8 ... aking_news

pjsteelerfan

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

Suggs out for the season after tearing his achilles playing basketball

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8 ... aking_news

While this is good for the Steelers to hopefully win the division, sucks that it has to happen this way. Suggs is a beast.

81

pjsteelerfan wrote:

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

Suggs out for the season after tearing his achilles playing basketball

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8 ... aking_news

While this is good for the Steelers to hopefully win the division, sucks that it has to happen this way. Suggs is a beast.

door is now wide open for the browns.....to win 3 games now

RW81233

Jason P wrote:

RW81233 wrote:

well since it's tough for poorer kids to afford football equipment there are a lot of upper-middle class white kids playing the game, but as they progress into lives that offer other opportunities besides sport interest in a game that takes 20 years off your life wanes it's pretty well documented.

That sums up my life. I had the skills to play outside linebacker for a Big Ten school and the Colts but decided the risks were not worth it. Of course, this was all decided after a secret meeting with the Royal Assembly of the Stonecutters.

i'm not saying it's some massive conspiracy to not play football, but, is it good or bad parenting if I try to persuade my son not to play football because he has parents that will (hopefully) be able to put him through college and get a job that doesn't put his life on the line? If I can't put him through college is it good or bad parenting to try to persuade him to play football because it could get him a scholarship to college and maybe make him millions? i understand that is very simplistic, but just as a starting point. Further, it's not like I'm making this scenario up look at the social class standing that most NFL players come from, or baseball players coming from the Dominican Republic, or UFC fighters, etc.

pjsteelerfan

81 wrote:

pjsteelerfan wrote:

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

Suggs out for the season after tearing his achilles playing basketball

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8 ... aking_news

While this is good for the Steelers to hopefully win the division, sucks that it has to happen this way. Suggs is a beast.

door is now wide open for the browns.....to win 3 games now

, Browns do always seem to play the Ravens tough though

Indifference71

RW81233 wrote:

Indifference71 wrote:

Why should it be gone? These guys know it's a dangerous game....they choose to play it. All these ridiculous articles being written make it sound like these guys are forced to play football.

i can't begin here...this demonstrates the general complete lack of understanding of class and cultural structures helping to define our lives.

Oh give me a fucking break. Class, cultural structure, blah fucking blah. Like the rest of society, you always have some sort of excuse or someone to blame. Sometimes you have to hold people accountable for their actions and decisions.

DS1119

:corn:

81

Indifference71 wrote:

RW81233 wrote:

Indifference71 wrote:

Why should it be gone? These guys know it's a dangerous game....they choose to play it. All these ridiculous articles being written make it sound like these guys are forced to play football.

i can't begin here...this demonstrates the general complete lack of understanding of class and cultural structures helping to define our lives.

Oh give me a fucking break. Class, cultural structure, blah fucking blah. Like the rest of society, you always have some sort of excuse or someone to blame. Sometimes you have to hold people accountable for their actions and decisions.

only if they are white.

RW81233

individuals make decisions based on several things....many times they make sense based on where they come from. do rich people (who are more often white based on a variety of historical things) have more of a range of decisions to make? do poor people (who are more often minorities) have less of a range of decisions to make? i mean this is pretty elementary stuff. of course if you don't like to think through an individual's context then it's easier to simply blame the individual and be done with it. of course seau and the 1199 other football players made a decision to play pro football, but was that their number 1 choice in life? if so why? if not, why did they decide to put their life on the line? to me that's far more interesting to think about that just me, man, me decide to do xyz.