A good backup QB is going to be more of a premium in the future.
Tell that to the Packers
Last night was the first time I've ever seen Seneca Wallace play, to the best of my knowledge, and I have to think some of his shittiness can be attributed to him just being cold and not getting reps. Because if he were THAT bad all the time, I wouldn't think he'd even have a job in the Arena League. Is that still around? Or maybe he just sucks, either way the Pack should have put a little more thought into what would happen if Rodgers went out. It's not like he's NEVER been injured or anything.
And credit to Chicago's Defense, they made him look bad also. Looking at their Defensive adjustments after Rodgers went out, I'm thinking they put more thought into what would happen if Wallace had to come in than the Packers did.
I went to 2009 and he was middle ground with the exception of 2010 when he was injured (2012-#2, 2011-#9, 2010-32 (inured),2009-#10, 2008-#14,2007-#14,2006-#11), I suspect his number would be off a little this year, he has a rookie receiver as his number 2, a 2nd year receiver as his number 3, a TE who has lost a step or 2 and a emerging number 1. It's totally absurd to think Romo is what the cowboys problems are, they have the last ranked D and are somehow still 5-4 ... even Ponder looked good, this D is the first D to allow 4 quarterbacks to throw for 400 yards against them in the same season, will probably be 5 after this Sunday.
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A good backup QB is going to be more of a premium in the future.
Tell that to the Packers
Last night was the first time I've ever seen Seneca Wallace play, to the best of my knowledge, and I have to think some of his shittiness can be attributed to him just being cold and not getting reps. Because if he were THAT bad all the time, I wouldn't think he'd even have a job in the Arena League. Is that still around? Or maybe he just sucks, either way the Pack should have put a little more thought into what would happen if Rodgers went out. It's not like he's NEVER been injured or anything.
And credit to Chicago's Defense, they made him look bad also. Looking at their Defensive adjustments after Rodgers went out, I'm thinking they put more thought into what would happen if Wallace had to come in than the Packers did.
I went to 2009 and he was middle ground with the exception of 2010 when he was injured (2012-#2, 2011-#9, 2010-32 (inured),2009-#10, 2008-#14,2007-#14,2006-#11), I suspect his number would be off a little this year, he has a rookie receiver as his number 2, a 2nd year receiver as his number 3, a TE who has lost a step or 2 and a emerging number 1. It's totally absurd to think Romo is what the cowboys problems are, they have the last ranked D and are somehow still 5-4 ... even Ponder looked good, this D is the first D to allow 4 quarterbacks to throw for 400 yards against them in the same season, will probably be 5 after this Sunday.
And again, as I said earlier, I'm not putting it all on Romo. I was just explaining why his stats don't impress me all that much as an argument for how great he is. I think he's OK, but not one of the best in the league or anything like that.
I don't think there's anything too special about them being 5-4 though, even with that defense, considering their schedule. They've only played 3 teams above .500, and they're 0-3 in those games. They're 5-1 in the remaining games to teams have a combined record of 17-33. The loss coming from the only .500 team in that lot, the Chargers. So all 5 wins are from teams with losing records. They should win those games. And you can't really put the losses all on the defense, even though they are really shitty and certainly don't help matters any. Most of the teams they've played have had shitty defense too. If you look at the defensive standings, 6 of their 9 opponents (including 3 of the 4 teams who have beat them) join Dallas in the bottom 10 ranked defenses in the league with Philly coming in dead last. I keep hearing people around here say "We would have won if the defense hadn't gotten lit up", but Dallas has the option of lighting up shitty defenses also.
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Dallas should have beaten Denver, but the defence gave up 51 points and blew 2 leads. And they lost to KC by 1 point. I think you can argue that Denver and KC are the 2 best teams in the league; Denver with the highest scoring offence in the league and KC with the best defence and only undefeated team in the league.
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At first the knock against Romo was is air yards were low, when pointed out that he been in top 1/3 or 1/2 most of his career, then it's something else. I don't see anyone here saying Romo is one of the best QB's ... I'm simply pointing out that they have a terrible D and for the most part they do not have enought to overcome really bad defensive efforts ...
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Of course, they are playing Teflon right now, but if they indeed issued a 'code red' and turned a blind eye towards Martin's abuse... there will be implications.
Dallas should have beaten Denver, but the defence gave up 51 points and blew 2 leads. And they lost to KC by 1 point. I think you can argue that Denver and KC are the 2 best teams in the league; Denver with the highest scoring offence in the league and KC with the best defence and only undefeated team in the league.
It's just a matter of perception. You can say "Dallas should have beaten Denver, but the defence gave up 51 points and blew 2 leads", but one could also say "It shouldn't have even been a close game, but Denver's defense gave up 48 points". Both defenses played bad that day, and it was a shootout, which Dallas fell short in. In this imaginary scenario where Dallas allows less points and wins the game, why does Denver allow the same number as they did in the actual game? Why is it your defense's fault for allowing so many points, but Romo's achievement that he scored so many on Denver's?
To me the bottom line was the end of the game. It was tied 48 to 48 when Dallas got the ball with 2:39 left. The game was in the offense's hands at that point, regardless of everything that happened before. It was essentially a brand new 2:39 minute game at that point, with Dallas in possession. Then Dallas turned the ball over. Not a dumb/choke turnover, but a turnover all the same, and it put Denver in scoring range with 1:57 left in the game. At that point the best your defense could do for you is hold Denver to 3 and out with a FG to give Romo a chance at a 90 second drill. That would have been better than what happened, but as you pointed out Denver has an explosive offense and they were able to move the chains to burn out Dallas' time outs and kick the last second field goal. That's a tough position to put any defense in, especially against Manning.
I've only seen a couple of KC games this year, not enough to really get a handle on how good they are. They're have a good record, but I've heard people talking about their soft schedule as well. And to be honest, it's not that impressive, they've only played one team with a winning record (Dallas) and their opponents have a combined record of 27-49. That's why I'm really looking forward to the Denver game, I want to see if they really have it. I'm looking forward to that more than any other game so far this season. I'd like to see both teams succeed, both are great stories.
At first the knock against Romo was is air yards were low, when pointed out that he been in top 1/3 or 1/2 most of his career, then it's something else. I don't see anyone here saying Romo is one of the best QB's ... I'm simply pointing out that they have a terrible D and for the most part they do not have enought to overcome really bad defensive efforts ...
TheWaitingTrophyMan is, and he's mostly who I've been talking to. I don't mean that in a "I'm not talking to you" way, because I always like talking to you, but I think something is getting mixed up in this three way conversation. Especially since you've said multiple times that I'm blaming Romo for Dallas' problems and I can't stress enough that I'm not. I'm simply saying that while their defense is admittedly shitty, I'm with you on that, Romo and their offense are not perfect. Everything I've said about Romo was in response to TheWaitingTrophyMan and our discussion of whether Romo is, in his words, a Superstar. He pointed to passing yards, I pointed to the fact that it's a joint QB/Rec stat and the low air yards stat I heard as an example. You pointed to a list that showed he has the 5th most air yards this season, I pointed out that the stat I heard was probably referring to his percentage of air yards to YAC and average air yards per pass, which drop him into the 20's. I normally don't quote stats all that much, but TWTM threw some out there and I threw some others out there for the fun of it.
It's confusing talking to two Cowboys fans at once. But at least you guys are the Canadian variety, the ones around here are a chore to be around. My favorite bar has a "Dallas Cowboys 2009 World Champions" banner, it's not a joke, and not isolated to that bar. The logic being that Dallas beat New Orleans in the regular season, New Orleans won the Super Bowl, therefore Dallas are the rightful champions. :fp: Texas Cowboys fan logic (not ALL are that way) can be extremely confusing. And it's normally where I'm coming from when discussing Cowboys with you guys, so I apologize if I sound like a dick, but I've usually heard it all, all day long. And don't even get me started on the local media, I could crack you up with some of the shit they say, but this is already and EXTREMELY long post and I should be getting ready for bed.
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You don't sound like a dick to me at all, SF. You're one of the good ones on this board. I enjoy reading all your random posts and conversing with you about football in these threads; yes even this one
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Dallas should have beaten Denver, but the defence gave up 51 points and blew 2 leads. And they lost to KC by 1 point. I think you can argue that Denver and KC are the 2 best teams in the league; Denver with the highest scoring offence in the league and KC with the best defence and only undefeated team in the league.
It's just a matter of perception. You can say "Dallas should have beaten Denver, but the defence gave up 51 points and blew 2 leads", but one could also say "It shouldn't have even been a close game, but Denver's defense gave up 48 points". Both defenses played bad that day, and it was a shootout, which Dallas fell short in. In this imaginary scenario where Dallas allows less points and wins the game, why does Denver allow the same number as they did in the actual game? Why is it your defense's fault for allowing so many points, but Romo's achievement that he scored so many on Denver's?
To me the bottom line was the end of the game. It was tied 48 to 48 when Dallas got the ball with 2:39 left. The game was in the offense's hands at that point, regardless of everything that happened before. It was essentially a brand new 2:39 minute game at that point, with Dallas in possession. Then Dallas turned the ball over. Not a dumb/choke turnover, but a turnover all the same, and it put Denver in scoring range with 1:57 left in the game. At that point the best your defense could do for you is hold Denver to 3 and out with a FG to give Romo a chance at a 90 second drill. That would have been better than what happened, but as you pointed out Denver has an explosive offense and they were able to move the chains to burn out Dallas' time outs and kick the last second field goal. That's a tough position to put any defense in, especially against Manning.
I've only seen a couple of KC games this year, not enough to really get a handle on how good they are. They're have a good record, but I've heard people talking about their soft schedule as well. And to be honest, it's not that impressive, they've only played one team with a winning record (Dallas) and their opponents have a combined record of 27-49.
That's why I'm really looking forward to the Denver game, I want to see if they really have it. I'm looking forward to that more than any other game so far this season. I'd like to see both teams succeed, both are great stories.
All fair points you make. I get what you're saying. Totally. I guess from my point of view, as a Romo fan, is that he outplayed Manning in that game and for that reason alone I consider him a superstar QB- to outplay Peyton Manning during arguably the best first 8 games of a season any QB has ever had in the National Football league. That was possibly the single greatest game of Romo's career. And yet people would rather try and take that away from him because he threw the pick at the end. To me, it matters less that they lost that game than how Romo played. Like the saying goes, "it's not whether you win or lose, but how you play the game." And he played brilliantly.
And I'm just going to point out one last thing about the Cowboys' defence here because this is important- if they had been able to stop Manning from tying the game (for the second time in the game), Romo wouldn't have been in the position he was in, which was to throw the ball. He already lead the Cowboys from behind to regain the lead in the 2nd half. If they'd held the lead, then that would have allowed them to run the ball and burn the clock.
I just feel he never gets the credit he deserves because most people(especially the haters) focus on the one negative thing he did, which was to throw the pick, and not the fact that he threw for over 500 yards, 5 Touchdown passes and performed better overall than Manning did. That's all.
Anyway, the game I'm looking forward to the most right now, obviously, is Dallas/New Orleans. But I'm also looking forward to Denver/KC in a couple of weeks, too. Actually Denver/San Diego this weekend should be another great game. Interesting stats you bring up about KC, though. We'll have to wait and see if their defence is the real deal, or if Manning is gonna rip chunks out of it.
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I hate the cowboys. I love to see them lose. I also love to blame Tony Romo for every loss. It was, after all, his fault that the defense gave up 51 to Denver. And it was his fault Calvin Johnson had 329 recieving yards.
I hate the cowboys. I love to see them lose. I also love to blame Tony Romo for every loss. It was, after all, his fault that the defense gave up 51 to Denver. And it was his fault Calvin Johnson had 329 recieving yards.
Oh yeah and it was his fault that Dez Bryant fumbled the ball in that game against Denver that allowed them to tie the score - yeah NOBODY remembers THAT turnover - or that they're always plagued with injuries.
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I hate the cowboys. I love to see them lose. I also love to blame Tony Romo for every loss. It was, after all, his fault that the defense gave up 51 to Denver. And it was his fault Calvin Johnson had 329 recieving yards.
Oh yeah and it was his fault that Dez Bryant fumbled the ball in that game against Denver that allowed them to tie the score - yeah NOBODY remembers THAT turnover - or that they're always plagued with injuries.
Its hard to remember the dez Bryant fumble when Romo let Peyton walk over his defense!
I hate the cowboys. I love to see them lose. I also love to blame Tony Romo for every loss. It was, after all, his fault that the defense gave up 51 to Denver. And it was his fault Calvin Johnson had 329 recieving yards.
Oh yeah and it was his fault that Dez Bryant fumbled the ball in that game against Denver that allowed them to tie the score - yeah NOBODY remembers THAT turnover - or that they're always plagued with injuries.
Injuries are no excuse. Every team deals with them.
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I'm sure the Colts would be more then happy to take Jonathan Martin off the Dolphin's hands. Keep the Stanford connection rolling with Luck, Fleener, Griff Whalen, Delano Howell, and O-Coordinater Pep Hamilton.
"Richie is honarary," one player who left the Dolphins this offseason told me today. "I don't expect you to understand because you're not black. But being a black guy, being a brother is more than just about skin color. It's about how you carry yourself. How you play. Where you come from. What you've experienced. A lot of things."
Another former Dolphins employee told me Martin is considered "soft" by his teammates and that's a reason he's not readily accepted by some of the players, particularly the black players. His background -- Stanford educated and the son of highly educated people -- was not necessarily seen as a strength or a positive by some players and it perpetuated in the way Martin carried himself.
It sounds like Miami, and Jonathan Martin in particular, could have used some online leadership courses hosted by Mr. Aaron Hernandez during training camp.
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Sounds like the football culture which produces the games that we all love wouldn't last a minute in the spotlight in today's world. (Hardly a shock for any of us that played sports, especially 20+ years ago, to think that team environments have totally different accepted rules than normal environments.)
I think Murtha does come off as being biased toward R.I. but his insight is interesting and he is laying it out there for everyone to read so I would guess it is mostly truth.
I cannot help but wonder if there is an underlying reason for J.M.'s actions. Will remain interesting to see how this plays out.
Sounds like the football culture which produces the games that we all love wouldn't last a minute in the spotlight in today's world. (Hardly a shock for any of us that played sports, especially 20+ years ago, to think that team environments have totally different accepted rules than normal environments.)
I think Murtha does come off as being biased toward R.I. but his insight is interesting and he is laying it out there for everyone to read so I would guess it is mostly truth.
I cannot help but wonder if there is an underlying reason for J.M.'s actions. Will remain interesting to see how this plays out.
Context will be key in all these voice mails and texts from Incognito. I've sent and received plenty of bizarre emails, voice mails and texts to and from friends that if viewed by outsiders would seem deranged. There is no defending the racial stuff though.
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Sounds like the football culture which produces the games that we all love wouldn't last a minute in the spotlight in today's world. (Hardly a shock for any of us that played sports, especially 20+ years ago, to think that team environments have totally different accepted rules than normal environments.)
I think Murtha does come off as being biased toward R.I. but his insight is interesting and he is laying it out there for everyone to read so I would guess it is mostly truth.
I cannot help but wonder if there is an underlying reason for J.M.'s actions. Will remain interesting to see how this plays out.
Since he's known Incognito since college, he might have a dog in the fight in spite of that opening remark. And for everything said in the article about Incognito being a good guy, you can't ignore those messages he sent. And even if the people in the Dophin's locker room "considered him black" we now have Warrenn Sapp saying that Incognito dropped the N-bomb on him during a game. Sapp wasn't upset by it or anything, and considered it a desperate attempt at taunting to try and get him tossed out of the game for throwing a punch, but still. And other players/coaches around the league, who have worked with him, are saying all this stuff about Incognito sounds about right. Regardless of what Incognito did or didn't do, there's enough evidence that he's a complete douche. Which fortunately isn't illegal or I'd be doing serious time, but I wouldn't feel bad for Incognito over having his reputation tarnished. Sounds like a tarnishing is exactly what it needed.
It's hard to tell what really went on, and Martin checking himself into a hospital seems a little overboard. But I've never been in that situation so I don't know. But if Martin takes this too far and accuses Incognito of more than what he actually did, he could end up looking like the liar and Incognito the victim. The lunchroom incident for example doesn't really seem worth talking about. It sounds like a pretty lame-ass attempt at hazing, and I'm not sure what the point of it is. But piling on little things like that when there are more serious allegations to concentrate on, gives Incognito and his supporters ammunition to point to Martin just being too sensitive. He needs to stick to the horrible messages he recieved, the possible extortion (which some Dolphins players dispute, but maybe they benefited from it) and stuff like that and leave the little bullshit out of it. If they're able to chip away at parts of his story, it could make the whole thing look shaky.
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ENGLEWOOD, Colo. (AP) -- John Moffitt wasn't unhappy with a lack of playing time in Denver. He quit the NFL because he'd lost his love for the game and was tired of risking his health.
The third-year guard from Wisconsin called the Broncos from his home in Seattle this week to notify them he wouldn't be returning to the team following its bye.
Then he announced on Twitter that he was calling it a career, saying, ''Football was fun but my head hurts-haha kidding roger goodell. I'm on to new things, thanks to everyone along the way!!!''
The Broncos put him on their reserve/left team list on Tuesday when they activated center J.D. Walton from the physically unable to perform list.
They have five days to formally release Moffitt, who left more than $1 million on the table, including about $312,500 for the remainder of this season and $752,500 in non-guaranteed salary in 2014.
Moffitt, who signed a four-year contract for nearly $3 million after Seattle made him the 75th overall draft pick in 2011, said he knows teammates and fans don't understand how he could forgo the fame and fortune of pro football.
''I just really thought about it and decided I'm not happy. I'm not happy at all,'' Moffitt told The Associated Press in a phone interview from Seattle. ''And I think it's really madness to risk your body, risk your well-being and risk your happiness for money.
''Everybody, they just don't get it and they think it's crazy. But I think what I was doing is crazy.''
He said he didn't want to see things through this season for the shot at a Super Bowl.
''I don't care about the Super Bowl. I don't,'' Moffitt insisted. ''I used to. I mean, anytime I played this game, I gave my heart to it and I'm a person that does thing with his heart. ... I don't need the Super Bowl experience. I played in great stadiums and I played against great players. And I had that experience and it's enough.''
The Broncos acquired Moffitt on Aug. 20 from the Seahawks after he'd lost out on one of two starting guard spots in Seattle during training camp. He played in two games for the Broncos (7-1).
Moffitt, 27, made about $1.8 million before taxes in his 2 1/2 seasons in the NFL.
''I've saved enough. It's not like I'm sitting here and I'm a millionaire,'' he said. ''That's what I kind of realized. I'm sitting here and I got to this point and I was like, what is the number that you need? How much do you really need? What do you want in life? And I decided that I don't really need to be a millionaire.
''I just want to be happy. And I find that people that have the least in life are sometimes the happiest. And I don't have the least in life. I have enough in life. And I won't sacrifice my health for that.''
Moffitt stressed that he's not passing judgment on his former colleagues, saying, ''This is all my personal stuff and I respect this game and I respect the men in this game.''
Although Moffitt never had a history of concussions, he acknowledged all the blows he sustained in practices and games concerned him.
''I'm not trying to be the poster boy for 'Oh, I thought I should leave because of concussions.' I'm just saying, it's a valid point,'' Moffitt said. ''I love the game and I respect the game and everybody who plays it knows what they risk and I knew what I risked when I played, and I'm no longer willing to risk it.''
Moffitt majored in sociology at Wisconsin and said his world view was really shaped over the last couple of years when he began studying the writings of the Dalai Lama and Noam Chomsky.
Now that he's out from behind the NFL shield, Moffitt said he's looking forward to speaking his mind on the radio and in podcasts he's going to produce. He said he has plenty of opinions to share on everything from philosophy to politics, although he has less to say about sports.
He said he also wants to go on a diet now that he doesn't have to maintain his 319-pound physique.
Moffitt said the timing of his decision had nothing to do with Walton being activated from the reserve/PUP list, although ''I'm glad it worked out like that.'' And he said he felt bad his decision coincided with coach John Fox's heart operation.
He doesn't regret playing football, either.
''Obviously, I wish things worked out better in Seattle. I wish I played more there, but I loved college football. I loved being in Seattle playing football. It wasn't always the easiest, but I live here now and I'm thankful,'' he said. ''I look back and I'm thankful for the whole experience. That's enough for me.''
Moffitt said he wants to spend more time with his parents in Connecticut and with his girlfriend and her 5-year-old daughter in Seattle. He said his father is ''my best friend and I never get to see him.''
Moffitt said he'll miss playing in games and goofing around with the guys, but he's glad the rest of his NFL life is over.
''Once you tear away all the illusions of it, it's hard work. And it's dangerous work. And you're away from your family. And it's not good for families. It's very tough on families,'' he said.
Moffitt is also glad to leave the league on his terms.
''I'm ready to go to work and start doing other things right now,'' Moffitt said. ''So, it's a smoother transition and I'm still young enough to start a career and my body's healthy and I'm good. I look at it as a great start to life, you know?''
•Nick Foles: Showed what he is capable of doing when playing the Raiders
•Tony Romo: The Cowboys’ signal caller ended Sunday’s game against the Vikings in typical Romo fashion, except with the football landing in the hands of a teammate
•Dez Bryant: Learned a lot from observing the Vikings receivers’ modest, sullen demeanor
Losers
•Gary Kubiak: Suffered one of the 20 or 30 worst medical scares the NFL saw yesterday
•Pittsburgh Steelers: The Steelers are embracing their new identity
•Nick Foles: Wasted the best game of his life against the Raiders
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I went to 2009 and he was middle ground with the exception of 2010 when he was injured (2012-#2, 2011-#9, 2010-32 (inured),2009-#10, 2008-#14,2007-#14,2006-#11), I suspect his number would be off a little this year, he has a rookie receiver as his number 2, a 2nd year receiver as his number 3, a TE who has lost a step or 2 and a emerging number 1. It's totally absurd to think Romo is what the cowboys problems are, they have the last ranked D and are somehow still 5-4 ... even Ponder looked good, this D is the first D to allow 4 quarterbacks to throw for 400 yards against them in the same season, will probably be 5 after this Sunday.
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And again, as I said earlier, I'm not putting it all on Romo. I was just explaining why his stats don't impress me all that much as an argument for how great he is. I think he's OK, but not one of the best in the league or anything like that.
I don't think there's anything too special about them being 5-4 though, even with that defense, considering their schedule. They've only played 3 teams above .500, and they're 0-3 in those games. They're 5-1 in the remaining games to teams have a combined record of 17-33. The loss coming from the only .500 team in that lot, the Chargers. So all 5 wins are from teams with losing records. They should win those games. And you can't really put the losses all on the defense, even though they are really shitty and certainly don't help matters any. Most of the teams they've played have had shitty defense too. If you look at the defensive standings, 6 of their 9 opponents (including 3 of the 4 teams who have beat them) join Dallas in the bottom 10 ranked defenses in the league with Philly coming in dead last. I keep hearing people around here say "We would have won if the defense hadn't gotten lit up", but Dallas has the option of lighting up shitty defenses also.
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Of course, they are playing Teflon right now, but if they indeed issued a 'code red' and turned a blind eye towards Martin's abuse... there will be implications.
It's just a matter of perception. You can say "Dallas should have beaten Denver, but the defence gave up 51 points and blew 2 leads", but one could also say "It shouldn't have even been a close game, but Denver's defense gave up 48 points". Both defenses played bad that day, and it was a shootout, which Dallas fell short in. In this imaginary scenario where Dallas allows less points and wins the game, why does Denver allow the same number as they did in the actual game? Why is it your defense's fault for allowing so many points, but Romo's achievement that he scored so many on Denver's?
To me the bottom line was the end of the game. It was tied 48 to 48 when Dallas got the ball with 2:39 left. The game was in the offense's hands at that point, regardless of everything that happened before. It was essentially a brand new 2:39 minute game at that point, with Dallas in possession. Then Dallas turned the ball over. Not a dumb/choke turnover, but a turnover all the same, and it put Denver in scoring range with 1:57 left in the game. At that point the best your defense could do for you is hold Denver to 3 and out with a FG to give Romo a chance at a 90 second drill. That would have been better than what happened, but as you pointed out Denver has an explosive offense and they were able to move the chains to burn out Dallas' time outs and kick the last second field goal. That's a tough position to put any defense in, especially against Manning.
I've only seen a couple of KC games this year, not enough to really get a handle on how good they are. They're have a good record, but I've heard people talking about their soft schedule as well. And to be honest, it's not that impressive, they've only played one team with a winning record (Dallas) and their opponents have a combined record of 27-49. That's why I'm really looking forward to the Denver game, I want to see if they really have it. I'm looking forward to that more than any other game so far this season. I'd like to see both teams succeed, both are great stories.
TheWaitingTrophyMan is, and he's mostly who I've been talking to. I don't mean that in a "I'm not talking to you" way, because I always like talking to you, but I think something is getting mixed up in this three way conversation. Especially since you've said multiple times that I'm blaming Romo for Dallas' problems and I can't stress enough that I'm not. I'm simply saying that while their defense is admittedly shitty, I'm with you on that, Romo and their offense are not perfect. Everything I've said about Romo was in response to TheWaitingTrophyMan and our discussion of whether Romo is, in his words, a Superstar. He pointed to passing yards, I pointed to the fact that it's a joint QB/Rec stat and the low air yards stat I heard as an example. You pointed to a list that showed he has the 5th most air yards this season, I pointed out that the stat I heard was probably referring to his percentage of air yards to YAC and average air yards per pass, which drop him into the 20's. I normally don't quote stats all that much, but TWTM threw some out there and I threw some others out there for the fun of it.
It's confusing talking to two Cowboys fans at once.
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Another habit like an unwanted friend
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All fair points you make. I get what you're saying. Totally. I guess from my point of view, as a Romo fan, is that he outplayed Manning in that game and for that reason alone I consider him a superstar QB- to outplay Peyton Manning during arguably the best first 8 games of a season any QB has ever had in the National Football league. That was possibly the single greatest game of Romo's career. And yet people would rather try and take that away from him because he threw the pick at the end. To me, it matters less that they lost that game than how Romo played. Like the saying goes, "it's not whether you win or lose, but how you play the game." And he played brilliantly.
And I'm just going to point out one last thing about the Cowboys' defence here because this is important- if they had been able to stop Manning from tying the game (for the second time in the game), Romo wouldn't have been in the position he was in, which was to throw the ball. He already lead the Cowboys from behind to regain the lead in the 2nd half. If they'd held the lead, then that would have allowed them to run the ball and burn the clock.
I just feel he never gets the credit he deserves because most people(especially the haters) focus on the one negative thing he did, which was to throw the pick, and not the fact that he threw for over 500 yards, 5 Touchdown passes and performed better overall than Manning did. That's all.
Anyway, the game I'm looking forward to the most right now, obviously, is Dallas/New Orleans. But I'm also looking forward to Denver/KC in a couple of weeks, too. Actually Denver/San Diego this weekend should be another great game. Interesting stats you bring up about KC, though. We'll have to wait and see if their defence is the real deal, or if Manning is gonna rip chunks out of it.
Another habit says its long overdue
Another habit like an unwanted friend
I'm so happy with my righteous self
Oh yeah and it was his fault that Dez Bryant fumbled the ball in that game against Denver that allowed them to tie the score - yeah NOBODY remembers THAT turnover - or that they're always plagued with injuries.
Another habit says its long overdue
Another habit like an unwanted friend
I'm so happy with my righteous self
If anyone on the team "sucks" it's Miles Austin, but only because it sucks that he's always hurt. Hope he gets healthy soon.
Another habit says its long overdue
Another habit like an unwanted friend
I'm so happy with my righteous self
Injuries are no excuse. Every team deals with them.
Tom O.
"I never had any friends later on like the ones I had when I was twelve. Jesus, does anyone?"
-The Writer
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Tom O.
"I never had any friends later on like the ones I had when I was twelve. Jesus, does anyone?"
-The Writer
Another former Dolphins employee told me Martin is considered "soft" by his teammates and that's a reason he's not readily accepted by some of the players, particularly the black players. His background -- Stanford educated and the son of highly educated people -- was not necessarily seen as a strength or a positive by some players and it perpetuated in the way Martin carried himself.
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Shut this cesspool down
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Tom O.
"I never had any friends later on like the ones I had when I was twelve. Jesus, does anyone?"
-The Writer
Sounds like the football culture which produces the games that we all love wouldn't last a minute in the spotlight in today's world. (Hardly a shock for any of us that played sports, especially 20+ years ago, to think that team environments have totally different accepted rules than normal environments.)
I think Murtha does come off as being biased toward R.I. but his insight is interesting and he is laying it out there for everyone to read so I would guess it is mostly truth.
I cannot help but wonder if there is an underlying reason for J.M.'s actions. Will remain interesting to see how this plays out.
Context will be key in all these voice mails and texts from Incognito. I've sent and received plenty of bizarre emails, voice mails and texts to and from friends that if viewed by outsiders would seem deranged. There is no defending the racial stuff though.
Tom O.
"I never had any friends later on like the ones I had when I was twelve. Jesus, does anyone?"
-The Writer
Since he's known Incognito since college, he might have a dog in the fight in spite of that opening remark. And for everything said in the article about Incognito being a good guy, you can't ignore those messages he sent. And even if the people in the Dophin's locker room "considered him black" we now have Warrenn Sapp saying that Incognito dropped the N-bomb on him during a game. Sapp wasn't upset by it or anything, and considered it a desperate attempt at taunting to try and get him tossed out of the game for throwing a punch, but still. And other players/coaches around the league, who have worked with him, are saying all this stuff about Incognito sounds about right. Regardless of what Incognito did or didn't do, there's enough evidence that he's a complete douche. Which fortunately isn't illegal or I'd be doing serious time, but I wouldn't feel bad for Incognito over having his reputation tarnished. Sounds like a tarnishing is exactly what it needed.
It's hard to tell what really went on, and Martin checking himself into a hospital seems a little overboard. But I've never been in that situation so I don't know. But if Martin takes this too far and accuses Incognito of more than what he actually did, he could end up looking like the liar and Incognito the victim. The lunchroom incident for example doesn't really seem worth talking about. It sounds like a pretty lame-ass attempt at hazing, and I'm not sure what the point of it is. But piling on little things like that when there are more serious allegations to concentrate on, gives Incognito and his supporters ammunition to point to Martin just being too sensitive. He needs to stick to the horrible messages he recieved, the possible extortion (which some Dolphins players dispute, but maybe they benefited from it) and stuff like that and leave the little bullshit out of it. If they're able to chip away at parts of his story, it could make the whole thing look shaky.
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ENGLEWOOD, Colo. (AP) -- John Moffitt wasn't unhappy with a lack of playing time in Denver. He quit the NFL because he'd lost his love for the game and was tired of risking his health.
The third-year guard from Wisconsin called the Broncos from his home in Seattle this week to notify them he wouldn't be returning to the team following its bye.
Then he announced on Twitter that he was calling it a career, saying, ''Football was fun but my head hurts-haha kidding roger goodell. I'm on to new things, thanks to everyone along the way!!!''
The Broncos put him on their reserve/left team list on Tuesday when they activated center J.D. Walton from the physically unable to perform list.
They have five days to formally release Moffitt, who left more than $1 million on the table, including about $312,500 for the remainder of this season and $752,500 in non-guaranteed salary in 2014.
Moffitt, who signed a four-year contract for nearly $3 million after Seattle made him the 75th overall draft pick in 2011, said he knows teammates and fans don't understand how he could forgo the fame and fortune of pro football.
''I just really thought about it and decided I'm not happy. I'm not happy at all,'' Moffitt told The Associated Press in a phone interview from Seattle. ''And I think it's really madness to risk your body, risk your well-being and risk your happiness for money.
''Everybody, they just don't get it and they think it's crazy. But I think what I was doing is crazy.''
He said he didn't want to see things through this season for the shot at a Super Bowl.
''I don't care about the Super Bowl. I don't,'' Moffitt insisted. ''I used to. I mean, anytime I played this game, I gave my heart to it and I'm a person that does thing with his heart. ... I don't need the Super Bowl experience. I played in great stadiums and I played against great players. And I had that experience and it's enough.''
The Broncos acquired Moffitt on Aug. 20 from the Seahawks after he'd lost out on one of two starting guard spots in Seattle during training camp. He played in two games for the Broncos (7-1).
Moffitt, 27, made about $1.8 million before taxes in his 2 1/2 seasons in the NFL.
''I've saved enough. It's not like I'm sitting here and I'm a millionaire,'' he said. ''That's what I kind of realized. I'm sitting here and I got to this point and I was like, what is the number that you need? How much do you really need? What do you want in life? And I decided that I don't really need to be a millionaire.
''I just want to be happy. And I find that people that have the least in life are sometimes the happiest. And I don't have the least in life. I have enough in life. And I won't sacrifice my health for that.''
Moffitt stressed that he's not passing judgment on his former colleagues, saying, ''This is all my personal stuff and I respect this game and I respect the men in this game.''
Although Moffitt never had a history of concussions, he acknowledged all the blows he sustained in practices and games concerned him.
''I'm not trying to be the poster boy for 'Oh, I thought I should leave because of concussions.' I'm just saying, it's a valid point,'' Moffitt said. ''I love the game and I respect the game and everybody who plays it knows what they risk and I knew what I risked when I played, and I'm no longer willing to risk it.''
Moffitt majored in sociology at Wisconsin and said his world view was really shaped over the last couple of years when he began studying the writings of the Dalai Lama and Noam Chomsky.
Now that he's out from behind the NFL shield, Moffitt said he's looking forward to speaking his mind on the radio and in podcasts he's going to produce. He said he has plenty of opinions to share on everything from philosophy to politics, although he has less to say about sports.
He said he also wants to go on a diet now that he doesn't have to maintain his 319-pound physique.
Moffitt said the timing of his decision had nothing to do with Walton being activated from the reserve/PUP list, although ''I'm glad it worked out like that.'' And he said he felt bad his decision coincided with coach John Fox's heart operation.
He doesn't regret playing football, either.
''Obviously, I wish things worked out better in Seattle. I wish I played more there, but I loved college football. I loved being in Seattle playing football. It wasn't always the easiest, but I live here now and I'm thankful,'' he said. ''I look back and I'm thankful for the whole experience. That's enough for me.''
Moffitt said he wants to spend more time with his parents in Connecticut and with his girlfriend and her 5-year-old daughter in Seattle. He said his father is ''my best friend and I never get to see him.''
Moffitt said he'll miss playing in games and goofing around with the guys, but he's glad the rest of his NFL life is over.
''Once you tear away all the illusions of it, it's hard work. And it's dangerous work. And you're away from your family. And it's not good for families. It's very tough on families,'' he said.
Moffitt is also glad to leave the league on his terms.
''I'm ready to go to work and start doing other things right now,'' Moffitt said. ''So, it's a smoother transition and I'm still young enough to start a career and my body's healthy and I'm good. I look at it as a great start to life, you know?''
•Nick Foles: Showed what he is capable of doing when playing the Raiders
•Tony Romo: The Cowboys’ signal caller ended Sunday’s game against the Vikings in typical Romo fashion, except with the football landing in the hands of a teammate
•Dez Bryant: Learned a lot from observing the Vikings receivers’ modest, sullen demeanor
Losers
•Gary Kubiak: Suffered one of the 20 or 30 worst medical scares the NFL saw yesterday
•Pittsburgh Steelers: The Steelers are embracing their new identity
•Nick Foles: Wasted the best game of his life against the Raiders