Obviously I do not know these facts because I had heard Joe went to his superiors
when told about the assault that he himself did not witness, that he was not in a position
at the school to handle ... that only his superiors were.
So you think Joe's punishment was to leave the season early... really?
I guess you and are are very different on what we consider punishment.
And I wonder before this horrible tragedy... what you might have thought
of Joe, his adversity in his long life and his character.
Judge not a heart you can not feel.
Ha, ha. He had no SUPERIORS. That's what you keep missing. They worked for him. Perfect examples - same folks came to him to get him to retire 10 years ago and he showed them the door.
And, no that is not what I said about his punishment.
I never thought much about Joe Paterno. Seemed like a good guy. I had not other reason to believe otherwise because he was powerful enough to cover up man's greatest transgression - the unwillingness to protect the weakest among us - children.
Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
I'm sure we will never learn the complete truth ....to this whole web of dirt and unspeakable acts done on so many kids it's a fucking shame really , because i believe who ever was involved should be exposed ....
And stop with this crap. IT sounds good, but doesn't have any basis in reality. I'm not judging his heart. I'm not trying to feel his pain.
He knowingly let children be raped that he could have prevented. I don't need to know what his metaphorical heart feels or is (I can't believe people actually talk this way).
I am a coach for a community program. My (true) superiors are those that run the program. If I heard of this from my assistant coach, I would go to the police and not my superiors. Why should this be any different? (Especially when he was the de facto boss).
Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
I'm sure we will never learn the complete truth ....to this whole web of dirt and unspeakable acts done on so many kids it's a fucking shame really , because i believe who ever was involved should be exposed ....
isn't there a whole fucking thing about bidders, some kinda auction or something? i know i read it on here somewhere, and something about a missing person later found murdered and a missing/found demolished computer/hard drive found in a river?
Obviously I do not know these facts because I had heard Joe went to his superiors
when told about the assault that he himself did not witness, that he was not in a position
at the school to handle ... that only his superiors were.
So you think Joe's punishment was to leave the season early... really?
I guess you and are are very different on what we consider punishment.
And I wonder before this horrible tragedy... what you might have thought
of Joe, his adversity in his long life and his character.
Judge not a heart you can not feel.
Ha, ha. He had no SUPERIORS. That's what you keep missing. They worked for him. Perfect examples - same folks came to him to get him to retire 10 years ago and he showed them the door.
And, no that is not what I said about his punishment.
I never thought much about Joe Paterno. Seemed like a good guy. I had not other reason to believe otherwise because he was powerful enough to cover up man's greatest transgression - the unwillingness to protect the weakest among us - children.
In 2002, Penn State graduate assistant Mike McQueary told Paterno that he’d witnessed Sandusky assaulting a boy in the locker room shower, Paterno told athletic director Tim Curley, then later informed vice president of business and finance Gary Schultz, according to the report.
Schultz and Curley said they told university president Graham Spanier, and a decision was made to not allow Sandusky back on campus with boys from his charity, The Second Mile. No one informed police.
Curley and Schultz have been charged with perjury and failure to report the incident to authorities, as required by state law. Curley is on administrative leave from Penn State. Spanier was fired with Paterno on Wednesday.
Sounds like he had some superiors and the University President was told.
again not defending what he did or didn't do ... just understanding it
i empathize with the kids therefore i've no sympathy for joe paterno. i haven't said anything about any of this until now just because it sickens me so... but...
sorry pandora...i totally agree with others in saying he was NOT a victim. he had the knowledge that children were being sexually assaulted in the lockerroom, but he chose to turn a blind eye. all in favor of protecting the reputation of penn state football, rather than going directly to the police as he was obligated to when it comes to any abuse, especially child sex abuse(even if it's only suspected.) it made him an enabler that allowed for sandusky to continue molesting kids (& how many additional)
he was 85 and died of lung cancer complications, not of a broken heart. before spouting such nonsense you might well want to consider the broken hearts of the boys & their familes that he failed by his inaction
truth is he didn't give enough of a shit about defenseless children to file a police report that would've brought sandusky under investigation, thus brought the abuse of those kids to a halt, instead of it going on for years...how is a coach allowing an assistant or ex-asstistant coach to molest kids anything other than gross misconduct?
Who did go to the police ... his superiors when he told them?
The fella that witnessed the assault?
Hmmm seems plenty are guilty but Old Joe takes all the fall :?
I guess you can see he is an evil man ... this I do not see at all.
Only an evil man would not take all this to heart, this why I know his heart was broken,
along with those who were victimized that he could have prevented.
I guess some people don't realize he knew that he himself was guilty
this broke his heart... this guilt this shame he carries to beyond the grave
IF he knew he was guilty, and felt remorse, why did he wait until the media broke the story to get out and apologize for it? He knew the grand jury investigation was going on.
Son of a bitch only felt guilty because people found out about it.
exactly. where the hell was all of his broken-hearted remorse for his inactions before the story broke?
can't help but wonder what an insult it must be to those boys/men that survived the sexual abuse when facts are gloss over to exalt paterno as a hero and he's refered to as 'a victim.'
he (and others) failed their obligation to protect the kids but rather chose to protect the football program and his pedophile friend sandusky instead...so he's responsibile for his broken heart (as you put it.) you keep apologizing for his enabling the abuse...as if it's somehow excuseable because of the postion of power he was in :roll:
may be a cliche but this quote sums it up well;
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" -Edmund Burke
And stop with this crap. IT sounds good, but doesn't have any basis in reality. I'm not judging his heart. I'm not trying to feel his pain.
He knowingly let children be raped that he could have prevented. I don't need to know what his metaphorical heart feels or is (I can't believe people actually talk this way).
I am a coach for a community program. My (true) superiors are those that run the program. If I heard of this from my assistant coach, I would go to the police and not my superiors. Why should this be any different? (Especially when he was the de facto boss).
I am not defending him I am understanding him and you don't have to we can agree to disagree on how we feel about this man
and of course you would and should go to the police I might think after
you went to your superiors too though ... a united front
would you think your superiors would cover it up then? :?
who understands this stuff?
Pandora, do you think you honestly understand this crap?
i do not understand it at all.
none of it.
zip, ziltch, zero...
however, i do understand that someone with huge power did basically nothing to stop a child predator
and perhaps, Sandusky, had/has many friends who also enjoy children on a sexual level.
exactly. where the hell was all of his broken-hearted remorse for his inactions before the story broke?
can't help but wonder what an insult it must be to those boys/men that survived the sexual abuse when facts are gloss over to exalt paterno as a hero and he's refered to as 'a victim.'
he (and others) failed their obligation to protect the kids but rather chose to protect the football program and his pedophile friend sandusky instead...so he's responsibile for his broken heart (as you put it.) you keep apologizing for his enabling the abuse...as if it's somehow excuseable because of the postion of power he was in :roll:
may be a cliche but this quote sums it up well;
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" -Edmund Burke
Again... geez...
not agreeing with his choices nor defending what he did not do
I am understanding the man and the mistakes ....
I believe he was a victim also and we can agree to disagree about Joe ...
it is obvious you feel he had no remorse and was an evil man
this I do not agree with.
I believe he wishes he would have done things very different ..
he regretted much and died a broken man.
Something not uncommon for many, unfortunately there are many who will leave
this world drenched in guilt.
isn't there a whole fucking thing about bidders, some kinda auction or something? i know i read it on here somewhere, and something about a missing person later found murdered and a missing/found demolished computer/hard drive found in a river?
...
There were supposedly E-Bay auctions for seats to the Joe Paterno funeral... like, 3rd row seats (2), $500.00 ea. Heard it on the talk radio last night. Still, not verified.
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Hail, Hail!!!
isn't there a whole fucking thing about bidders, some kinda auction or something? i know i read it on here somewhere, and something about a missing person later found murdered and a missing/found demolished computer/hard drive found in a river?
...
There are E-Bay auctions for seats to the Joe Paterno funeral... like, 3rd row seats (2), $500.00 ea.
Sick.
i wouldn't attend his funeral if i were invited and paid well for my time. who actually sold these tickets to ol' joe's funeral?
who understands this stuff?
Pandora, do you think you honestly understand this crap?
i do not understand it at all.
none of it.
zip, ziltch, zero...
however, i do understand that someone with huge power did basically nothing to stop a child predator
and perhaps, Sandusky, had/has many friends who also enjoy children on a sexual level.
I hope you are wrong about that Chadwick ...
I think if you were 85 living amongst this world you might have a bit more understanding
again no defense on my part just understanding of a man born in 1927
we've come a long way ...
but a woman can still get raped on the street with no help from passer-byes
and children can be abused by family members and they are never brought to justice....
we have a long way to go ... accountability and responsibility
exactly. where the hell was all of his broken-hearted remorse for his inactions before the story broke?
can't help but wonder what an insult it must be to those boys/men that survived the sexual abuse when facts are gloss over to exalt paterno as a hero and he's refered to as 'a victim.'
he (and others) failed their obligation to protect the kids but rather chose to protect the football program and his pedophile friend sandusky instead...so he's responsibile for his broken heart (as you put it.) you keep apologizing for his enabling the abuse...as if it's somehow excuseable because of the postion of power he was in :roll:
may be a cliche but this quote sums it up well;
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" -Edmund Burke
Again... geez...
not agreeing with his choices nor defending what he did not do
I am understanding the man and the mistakes ....
I believe he was a victim also and we can agree to disagree about Joe ...
it is obvious you feel he had no remorse and was an evil man
this I do not agree with.
I believe he wishes he would have done things very different ..
he regretted much and died a broken man.
Something not uncommon for many, unfortunately there are many who will leave
this world drenched in guilt.
please don't put words in my mouth, pandora. i never said paterno was evil. i said he was an enabler since he enabled a pedophile to continue raping children. it's clear that he didn't show remorse until after the story broke....which naturally makes one question if he was only sorry that his failure to report horrid crimes against children directly to police was exposed
who understands this stuff?
Pandora, do you think you honestly understand this crap?
i do not understand it at all.
none of it.
zip, ziltch, zero...
however, i do understand that someone with huge power did basically nothing to stop a child predator
and perhaps, Sandusky, had/has many friends who also enjoy children on a sexual level.
I hope you are wrong about that Chadwick ...
I think if you were 85 living amongst this world you might have a bit more understanding
again no defense on my part just understanding of a man born in 1927
we've come a long way ...
but a woman can still get raped on the street with no help from passer-byes
and children can be abused by family members and they are never brought to justice....
we have a long way to go ... accountability and responsibility
1927 had child predators. they were beat down and thrown in prison im sure. if he was 85 yrs @ death that means he first knew of Sandusky's ways 15-20 yrs ago or longer, i don't remember the time lines i have read about but i know they are old ones.
when did joe first get informed that Sandusky likes kids sexually? i have read it was quite a long while back.
so a 66 yr old dude with power can't kick the shit out of a pedophile?
Joe shoulda snatched that Sandusky guy up by his balls and slapped him around a bit and drug him to the cop shop. he woulda been hailed a super hero
i am stickin to my guns. paterno quite possibly enjoyed children sexually as well as Sandusky had. to me this makes all the sense in the world. how else does a pedophile stay around even after banned from the school?
something very fishy here.
or
maybe paterno and countless others are all that naive?
who understands this stuff?
Pandora, do you think you honestly understand this crap?
i do not understand it at all.
none of it.
zip, ziltch, zero...
however, i do understand that someone with huge power did basically nothing to stop a child predator
and perhaps, Sandusky, had/has many friends who also enjoy children on a sexual level.
I hope you are wrong about that Chadwick ...
I think if you were 85 living amongst this world you might have a bit more understanding
again no defense on my part just understanding of a man born in 1927
we've come a long way ...
but a woman can still get raped on the street with no help from passer-byes
and children can be abused by family members and they are never brought to justice....
we have a long way to go ... accountability and responsibility
1927 had child predators. they were beat down and thrown in prison im sure. if he was 85 yrs @ death that means he first knew of Sandusky's ways 15-20 yrs ago or longer, i don't remember the time lines i have read about but i know they are old ones.
when did joe first get informed that Sandusky likes kids sexually? i have read it was quite a long while back.
so a 66 yr old dude with power can't kick the shit out of a pedophile?
Joe shoulda snatched that Sandusky guy up by his balls and slapped him around a bit and drug him to the cop shop. he woulda been hailed a super hero
I'm afraid that is not true about sexual abuse and child predators from his time
nor do we know his experience in life with such things, which can influence actions.
We only know he did not do the right thing here nor did many others and nor do many others
in similar situations.
In my opinion he left this world with much regret for his mistakes.
My focus is on the truly evil perpetrator who is still with us, the one who found
pleasure and satisfaction harming children, who was a junky to the power he had
over them, who was devious and purposeful and who defiled the word love.
Beating up a dead man for the mistakes he made seems pointless when the true
abuser is alive and well. Seems our energies could go towards making sure this
guy never sees the light of day let alone a child again.
[1927 had child predators. they were beat down and thrown in prison im sure. if he was 85 yrs @ death that means he first knew of Sandusky's ways 15-20 yrs ago or longer, i don't remember the time lines i have read about but i know they are old ones.
when did joe first get informed that Sandusky likes kids sexually? i have read it was quite a long while back.
so a 66 yr old dude with power can't kick the shit out of a pedophile?
Joe shoulda snatched that Sandusky guy up by his balls and slapped him around a bit and drug him to the cop shop. he woulda been hailed a super hero
I'm afraid that is not true about sexual abuse and child predators from his time
nor do we know his experience in life with such things, which can influence actions.
We only know he did not do the right thing here nor did many others and nor do many others
in similar situations.
In my opinion he left this world with much regret for his mistakes.
My focus is on the truly evil perpetrator who is still with us, the one who found
pleasure and satisfaction harming children, who was a junky to the power he had
over them, who was devious and purposeful and who defiled the word love.
Beating up a dead man for the mistakes he made seems pointless when the true
abuser is alive and well. Seems our energies could go towards making sure this
guy never sees the light of day let alone a child again.
so then maybe you can tell us what happened to child molesters in 1927ish, the year or roundabouts when ol' joe numbnuts was born. so the men & women of the 20's, 30's and 40's did nothing to pedophiles? you're telling me and everyone here that until recent years child molestation was virtually a unpunishable crime? so ol' joe basically knew no different? this your knowledge on the man and the era he was born into?
[1927 had child predators. they were beat down and thrown in prison im sure. if he was 85 yrs @ death that means he first knew of Sandusky's ways 15-20 yrs ago or longer, i don't remember the time lines i have read about but i know they are old ones.
when did joe first get informed that Sandusky likes kids sexually? i have read it was quite a long while back.
so a 66 yr old dude with power can't kick the shit out of a pedophile?
Joe shoulda snatched that Sandusky guy up by his balls and slapped him around a bit and drug him to the cop shop. he woulda been hailed a super hero
I'm afraid that is not true about sexual abuse and child predators from his time
nor do we know his experience in life with such things, which can influence actions.
We only know he did not do the right thing here nor did many others and nor do many others
in similar situations.
In my opinion he left this world with much regret for his mistakes.
My focus is on the truly evil perpetrator who is still with us, the one who found
pleasure and satisfaction harming children, who was a junky to the power he had
over them, who was devious and purposeful and who defiled the word love.
Beating up a dead man for the mistakes he made seems pointless when the true
abuser is alive and well. Seems our energies could go towards making sure this
guy never sees the light of day let alone a child again.
so then maybe you can tell us what happened to child molesters in 1927ish, the year or roundabouts when ol' joe numbnuts was born. so the men & women of the 20's, 30's and 40's did nothing to pedophiles? you're telling me and everyone here that until recent years child molestation was virtually a unpunishable crime? so ol' joe basically knew no different? this your knowledge on the man and the era he was born into?
I can only speak from my experience Chad ...
child sexual abuse was covered up, was not punished as we find in our current society
nor spoke of openly, this even in my early childhood days ...
this my experience.
And we can see even the term 'Elders' has an entirely different meaning
today then 80 years ago.
As far as Joe we have no idea his life experience, directly relevant ...
others were taught it was a secret, never to be told, this what I meant about his life experiences.
This will definitely affect ones good judgement, common sense, level of fear and shame,
and even trauma that has been buried a lifetime.
One thing I do know is a person who is 85 has a much different perspective on many things.
This thread reminds me of the vultures after a kill ...
the anger should be directed in full force at the truly evil man involved
this is not Joe Paterno.... in my opinion
Beating up a dead man for the mistakes he made seems pointless when the true
abuser is alive and well. Seems our energies could go towards making sure this
guy never sees the light of day let alone a child again.
Both are 100% correct. Sandusky is still the perpetrator and should be brought to justice.
If folks stopped glorifying Paterno, I think this discussion about him would die with it. That's the crux of the issue. I have no problem letting sleeping dogs lie. But, then his apologists have to let go, also. As long as they celebrate his "achievements," we will be here to ground them in reality.
Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
This thread reminds me of the vultures after a kill ...
the anger should be directed in full force at the truly evil man involved
this is not Joe Paterno.... in my opinion
Again, nice piece of poetry. But, it is completely different. They are both truly evil men in their own ways. That's the point you keep missing. He's dead, so we should ignore his major part in all this? That's silly.
Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
Beating up a dead man for the mistakes he made seems pointless when the true
abuser is alive and well. Seems our energies could go towards making sure this
guy never sees the light of day let alone a child again.
Both are 100% correct. Sandusky is still the perpetrator and should be brought to justice.
If folks stopped glorifying Paterno, I think this discussion about him would die with it. That's the crux of the issue. I have no problem letting sleeping dogs lie. But, then his apologists have to let go, also. As long as they celebrate his "achievements," we will be here to ground them in reality.
He had achievements ... a life full,
he made mistakes, as we all do. Mistakes do not erase achievements
we take both to the grave... it is our life our path
But the discussion should die a quick death
because all can agree to disagree about the man and his mistakes
Beating up a dead man for the mistakes he made seems pointless when the true
abuser is alive and well. Seems our energies could go towards making sure this
guy never sees the light of day let alone a child again.
Both are 100% correct. Sandusky is still the perpetrator and should be brought to justice.
If folks stopped glorifying Paterno, I think this discussion about him would die with it. That's the crux of the issue. I have no problem letting sleeping dogs lie. But, then his apologists have to let go, also. As long as they celebrate his "achievements," we will be here to ground them in reality.
He had achievements ... a life full,
he made mistakes, as we all do. Mistakes do not erase achievements
we take both to the grave... it is our life our path
But the discussion should die a quick death
because all can agree to disagree about the man and his mistakes
Sorry. This was not a mistake. The complete lack of humanity does in fact erase any legacy he may have had.
Should we give Hitler credit for getting the trains to run on time? (not that this rises quite to that level, but the analogy is stil apt).
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Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
He had achievements ... a life full,
he made mistakes, as we all do. Mistakes do not erase achievements
we take both to the grave... it is our life our path
But the discussion should die a quick death
because all can agree to disagree about the man and his mistakes
Sorry. This was not a mistake. The complete lack of humanity does in fact erase any legacy he may have had.
He had achievements ... a life full,
he made mistakes, as we all do. Mistakes do not erase achievements
we take both to the grave... it is our life our path
But the discussion should die a quick death
because all can agree to disagree about the man and his mistakes
Sorry. This was not a mistake. The complete lack of humanity does in fact erase any legacy he may have had.
One might say the same about your stance here...
Sure. Go ahead. That's fine.
I do feel compassion because a person has died. But, I do not feel he should be glorified in any way, shape or form. If that's my biggest lack of humanity, then I'm good. Thanks.
Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
Both are 100% correct. Sandusky is still the perpetrator and should be brought to justice.
If folks stopped glorifying Paterno, I think this discussion about him would die with it. That's the crux of the issue. I have no problem letting sleeping dogs lie. But, then his apologists have to let go, also. As long as they celebrate his "achievements," we will be here to ground them in reality.
this...and thank you.
paterno a hero, paterno a victim, paterno greatness, penn state glorious football program, paterno largest nuts in the football stadium, blah blah blah.... horse shit.
paterno cowardly stood nearby whilst children of less than fortunate upbringings were molested and molested and molested...in showers, in lockerrooms, at Sandusky's house, at the gym, at the training weight lifting wrestling areas, who knows where else?
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"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Ha, ha. He had no SUPERIORS. That's what you keep missing. They worked for him. Perfect examples - same folks came to him to get him to retire 10 years ago and he showed them the door.
And, no that is not what I said about his punishment.
I never thought much about Joe Paterno. Seemed like a good guy. I had not other reason to believe otherwise because he was powerful enough to cover up man's greatest transgression - the unwillingness to protect the weakest among us - children.
I'm sure we will never learn the complete truth ....to this whole web of dirt and unspeakable acts done on so many kids it's a fucking shame really , because i believe who ever was involved should be exposed ....
And stop with this crap. IT sounds good, but doesn't have any basis in reality. I'm not judging his heart. I'm not trying to feel his pain.
He knowingly let children be raped that he could have prevented. I don't need to know what his metaphorical heart feels or is (I can't believe people actually talk this way).
I am a coach for a community program. My (true) superiors are those that run the program. If I heard of this from my assistant coach, I would go to the police and not my superiors. Why should this be any different? (Especially when he was the de facto boss).
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Schultz and Curley said they told university president Graham Spanier, and a decision was made to not allow Sandusky back on campus with boys from his charity, The Second Mile. No one informed police.
Curley and Schultz have been charged with perjury and failure to report the incident to authorities, as required by state law. Curley is on administrative leave from Penn State. Spanier was fired with Paterno on Wednesday.
Sounds like he had some superiors and the University President was told.
again not defending what he did or didn't do ... just understanding it
understanding does not make it right
exactly. where the hell was all of his broken-hearted remorse for his inactions before the story broke?
can't help but wonder what an insult it must be to those boys/men that survived the sexual abuse when facts are gloss over to exalt paterno as a hero and he's refered to as 'a victim.'
he (and others) failed their obligation to protect the kids but rather chose to protect the football program and his pedophile friend sandusky instead...so he's responsibile for his broken heart (as you put it.) you keep apologizing for his enabling the abuse...as if it's somehow excuseable because of the postion of power he was in :roll:
may be a cliche but this quote sums it up well;
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" -Edmund Burke
angels share laughter
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
we can agree to disagree on how we feel about this man
and of course you would and should go to the police I might think after
you went to your superiors too though ... a united front
would you think your superiors would cover it up then? :?
He had no real superiors. They were superiors in name only. I don't even thing the apologists would argue with that FACT - Yes - it is FACT.
Pandora, do you think you honestly understand this crap?
i do not understand it at all.
none of it.
zip, ziltch, zero...
however, i do understand that someone with huge power did basically nothing to stop a child predator
and perhaps, Sandusky, had/has many friends who also enjoy children on a sexual level.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
No.
But, then again, I would make sure it wouldn't matter. And I have less power than he had.
Again... geez...
not agreeing with his choices nor defending what he did not do
I am understanding the man and the mistakes ....
I believe he was a victim also and we can agree to disagree about Joe ...
it is obvious you feel he had no remorse and was an evil man
this I do not agree with.
I believe he wishes he would have done things very different ..
he regretted much and died a broken man.
Something not uncommon for many, unfortunately there are many who will leave
this world drenched in guilt.
There were supposedly E-Bay auctions for seats to the Joe Paterno funeral... like, 3rd row seats (2), $500.00 ea. Heard it on the talk radio last night. Still, not verified.
Hail, Hail!!!
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
I think if you were 85 living amongst this world you might have a bit more understanding
again no defense on my part just understanding of a man born in 1927
we've come a long way ...
but a woman can still get raped on the street with no help from passer-byes
and children can be abused by family members and they are never brought to justice....
we have a long way to go ... accountability and responsibility
please don't put words in my mouth, pandora. i never said paterno was evil. i said he was an enabler since he enabled a pedophile to continue raping children. it's clear that he didn't show remorse until after the story broke....which naturally makes one question if he was only sorry that his failure to report horrid crimes against children directly to police was exposed
angels share laughter
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
when did joe first get informed that Sandusky likes kids sexually? i have read it was quite a long while back.
so a 66 yr old dude with power can't kick the shit out of a pedophile?
Joe shoulda snatched that Sandusky guy up by his balls and slapped him around a bit and drug him to the cop shop. he woulda been hailed a super hero
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
something very fishy here.
or
maybe paterno and countless others are all that naive?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
nor do we know his experience in life with such things, which can influence actions.
We only know he did not do the right thing here nor did many others and nor do many others
in similar situations.
In my opinion he left this world with much regret for his mistakes.
My focus is on the truly evil perpetrator who is still with us, the one who found
pleasure and satisfaction harming children, who was a junky to the power he had
over them, who was devious and purposeful and who defiled the word love.
Beating up a dead man for the mistakes he made seems pointless when the true
abuser is alive and well. Seems our energies could go towards making sure this
guy never sees the light of day let alone a child again.
so then maybe you can tell us what happened to child molesters in 1927ish, the year or roundabouts when ol' joe numbnuts was born. so the men & women of the 20's, 30's and 40's did nothing to pedophiles? you're telling me and everyone here that until recent years child molestation was virtually a unpunishable crime? so ol' joe basically knew no different? this your knowledge on the man and the era he was born into?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
child sexual abuse was covered up, was not punished as we find in our current society
nor spoke of openly, this even in my early childhood days ...
this my experience.
And we can see even the term 'Elders' has an entirely different meaning
today then 80 years ago.
As far as Joe we have no idea his life experience, directly relevant ...
others were taught it was a secret, never to be told, this what I meant about his life experiences.
This will definitely affect ones good judgement, common sense, level of fear and shame,
and even trauma that has been buried a lifetime.
One thing I do know is a person who is 85 has a much different perspective on many things.
This thread reminds me of the vultures after a kill ...
the anger should be directed in full force at the truly evil man involved
this is not Joe Paterno.... in my opinion
Both are 100% correct. Sandusky is still the perpetrator and should be brought to justice.
If folks stopped glorifying Paterno, I think this discussion about him would die with it. That's the crux of the issue. I have no problem letting sleeping dogs lie. But, then his apologists have to let go, also. As long as they celebrate his "achievements," we will be here to ground them in reality.
Again, nice piece of poetry. But, it is completely different. They are both truly evil men in their own ways. That's the point you keep missing. He's dead, so we should ignore his major part in all this? That's silly.
he made mistakes, as we all do. Mistakes do not erase achievements
we take both to the grave... it is our life our path
But the discussion should die a quick death
because all can agree to disagree about the man and his mistakes
Sorry. This was not a mistake. The complete lack of humanity does in fact erase any legacy he may have had.
Should we give Hitler credit for getting the trains to run on time? (not that this rises quite to that level, but the analogy is stil apt).
I do feel compassion because a person has died. But, I do not feel he should be glorified in any way, shape or form. If that's my biggest lack of humanity, then I'm good. Thanks.
paterno a hero, paterno a victim, paterno greatness, penn state glorious football program, paterno largest nuts in the football stadium, blah blah blah.... horse shit.
paterno cowardly stood nearby whilst children of less than fortunate upbringings were molested and molested and molested...in showers, in lockerrooms, at Sandusky's house, at the gym, at the training weight lifting wrestling areas, who knows where else?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce