Joe Paterno just died

shadowcast

simply untrue.[/quote]
But he was still allowed to access the locker room, stadium, gym and school. He also had an office and parking spot. But what the Penn State clowns did to punish him was they took all these things away from him but didn't tell the police.[/quote]


fair enough. the focus on paterno - who DID report what he was told - is what gets me. it was the brass that failed in a way that i can't forgive, not the old man.[/quote]


The old man should have followed up on why is Sandusky still hanging around the school. If I was joe I would have personally kicked his ass off school grounds and then would have followed up with the police. But he was part of the cover up and wanted to keep it business as usally. Kids getting raped or our football program. They went for the selfish reason ..the football program. Shame on them.

even flow - question mark

shadowcast wrote:

even flow - question mark wrote:

I was in a bar when the news of the children in the shower thing came out and some random dude who needed to give me two cents of what he thought about the situation and then made the mistake of asking me. So here is my two cents. I looked at the guy and said "you ever been to a bar with any of your friends who are involved (ie:married, serious, etc) and watched them pick up another woman and not report it to their better half?" Well we all know what that answer was. He piped up with the kids are different, blah, blah, blah. But I don't think so. Turning the blind eye, is turning the blind eye. Period.

Other then that little problem the man had. He ran a super football program.

Really? Turning a blind eye to your friend cheating on his wife is the same as turning a blind eye to raping kids?

Well I'd want the same punishment if you got raped, your wife got raped or your child got raped. There is no in between. So yeah, I see it the exact same way. One very weak person, taking the side of somebody they don't want to see get in trouble.

If a friend of yours committed murder with an axe, would you keep that axe in your garage so the authorities couldn't find it or would you tell him to rot in hell and turn him in?

shadowcast

even flow - question mark wrote:

shadowcast wrote:

even flow - question mark wrote:

I was in a bar when the news of the children in the shower thing came out and some random dude who needed to give me two cents of what he thought about the situation and then made the mistake of asking me. So here is my two cents. I looked at the guy and said "you ever been to a bar with any of your friends who are involved (ie:married, serious, etc) and watched them pick up another woman and not report it to their better half?" Well we all know what that answer was. He piped up with the kids are different, blah, blah, blah. But I don't think so. Turning the blind eye, is turning the blind eye. Period.

Other then that little problem the man had. He ran a super football program.

Really? Turning a blind eye to your friend cheating on his wife is the same as turning a blind eye to raping kids?

Well I'd want the same punishment if you got raped, your wife got raped or your child got raped. There is no in between. So yeah, I see it the exact same way. One very weak person, taking the side of somebody they don't want to see get in trouble.

If a friend of yours committed murder with an axe, would you keep that axe in your garage so the authorities couldn't find it or would you tell him to rot in hell and turn him in?

Of course I would turn them in. The comparison of a man cheating on his wife and molesting a child are not even in the same ball park.. It’s a crime to molest a child not a crime to cheat on your wife.

JonnyPistachio

shadowcast wrote:

even flow - question mark wrote:

shadowcast wrote:

Really? Turning a blind eye to your friend cheating on his wife is the same as turning a blind eye to raping kids?

Well I'd want the same punishment if you got raped, your wife got raped or your child got raped. There is no in between. So yeah, I see it the exact same way. One very weak person, taking the side of somebody they don't want to see get in trouble.

If a friend of yours committed murder with an axe, would you keep that axe in your garage so the authorities couldn't find it or would you tell him to rot in hell and turn him in?

Of course I would turn them in. The comparison of a man cheating on his wife and molesting a child are not even in the same ball park.. It’s a crime to molest a child not a crime to cheat on your wife.

Jules: "Ain't no fuckin' ballpark neither. Now look, maybe your method of massage differs from mine, but, you know, touchin' his wife's feet, and stickin' your tongue in her Holiest of Holies, ain't the same fuckin' ballpark, it ain't the same league, it ain't even the same fuckin' sport. Look, foot massages don't mean shit."

Definitely not even the same sport, let alone ballpark.

even flow - question mark

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Of course I would turn them in. The comparison of a man cheating on his wife and molesting a child are not even in the same ball park.. It’s a crime to molest a child not a crime to cheat on your wife.[/quote]

I guess it all depends on what kind of belief system you have? Just to name a few. So anyway, I stick with what I said.

You shall not murder.

You shall not commit adultery.


You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”

keeponrockin

even flow - question mark wrote:

I guess it all depends on what kind of belief system you have? Just to name a few. So anyway, I stick with what I said.

You shall not murder.

You shall not commit adultery.


You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”

You're kidding right?

FiveB247x

Yeah... me coveting my neighbors "goods" is just as bad as killing another human being or raping a child. If you believe that, I suggest you re-evaluate what your gods priorities and morals are.

even flow - question mark wrote:

Of course I would turn them in. The comparison of a man cheating on his wife and molesting a child are not even in the same ball park.. It’s a crime to molest a child not a crime to cheat on your wife.[/quote]

I guess it all depends on what kind of belief system you have? Just to name a few. So anyway, I stick with what I said.

You shall not murder.

You shall not commit adultery.


You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”[/quote]

cincybearcat

Commy wrote:

joe paterno was told sandusky had raped a boy in the showers and not only didn't tell police, he kept the fucker on his staff for a few more years

Umm, like others pointed out Jerry Sandusky did not work for JoePa after 1999.

Oh, and Paterno did notify the University VP that was in charge of campus police.

FiveB247x

Yeah - and I'm sure everyone thinks that's a great way to handle it? Pass it along one time to University and then go about your business like nothing else happened? This is awful and either his mental capabilities due to age or health have long left him or he's completely spineless in his lack of follow up or action/re-action.

Also, even if you give Paterno the benefit of the doubt and say his age and mental capabilities were the reason he didn't follow up, ask yourself how this man remained the head coach for so long during this time-frame. Something doesn't add up and it doesn't paint a pretty picture of Paterno or the Administration at Penn St.

cincybearcat wrote:

Commy wrote:

joe paterno was told sandusky had raped a boy in the showers and not only didn't tell police, he kept the fucker on his staff for a few more years

Umm, like others pointed out Jerry Sandusky did not work for JoePa after 1999.

Oh, and Paterno did notify the University VP that was in charge of campus police.

pandora

This really made us sad when we heard this, to leave this world, not the hero he
could have should have been. Pierced many hearts... another victim really.

Benzor

even flow - question mark wrote:

Of course I would turn them in. The comparison of a man cheating on his wife and molesting a child are not even in the same ball park.. It’s a crime to molest a child not a crime to cheat on your wife.[/quote]

I guess it all depends on what kind of belief system you have? Just to name a few. So anyway, I stick with what I said.

You shall not murder.

You shall not commit adultery.


You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”[/quote]


Wow what the fuck is wrong with you? This (and your other posts in this thread) is scary stuff. How could you possibly believe that? Truly psychotic shit.

keeponrockin

pandora wrote:

This really made us sad when we heard this, to leave this world, not the hero he
could have should have been. Pierced many hearts... another victim really.

How the hell is Paterno a victim?

At the VERY best, he was incompetent, at worst, and enabler.

shadowcast

cincybearcat wrote:

Commy wrote:

joe paterno was told sandusky had raped a boy in the showers and not only didn't tell police, he kept the fucker on his staff for a few more years

Umm, like others pointed out Jerry Sandusky did not work for JoePa after 1999.

Oh, and Paterno did notify the University VP that was in charge of campus police.

The campus police that you’re referring to was Gary Schultz. Whose title is VP of Finance & Business. The other guy he contacted was Tim Curley who was the Athletic Director. I see no relation to the police at all. Unless you have other info please post it. Joe Pa was GOD at that campus he could have gotten anyone kicked out at any time. He let that scum bag hang around for years after the fact.

shadowcast

even flow - question mark wrote:

Of course I would turn them in. The comparison of a man cheating on his wife and molesting a child are not even in the same ball park.. It’s a crime to molest a child not a crime to cheat on your wife.[/quote]

I guess it all depends on what kind of belief system you have? Just to name a few. So anyway, I stick with what I said.

You shall not murder.

You shall not commit adultery.


You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”[/quote]
Really? Don't get all God on me....Where was God for these young boy's?

pandora

keeponrockin wrote:

pandora wrote:

This really made us sad when we heard this, to leave this world, not the hero he
could have should have been. Pierced many hearts... another victim really.

How the hell is Paterno a victim?

At the VERY best, he was incompetent, at worst, and enabler.

I may not be up to speed on all the facts ... this a worn out subject for me

He went to his superiors... would he have gone to the police in hindsight
most likely

This speaks to the rampant misconduct of men in sports not just this situation
but more than we know ... excepted rights into passage... gross misconduct and
attracting the worse of the worse... but this was not Joe Paterno.

And yes he was a victim also... dying with a broken heart.

FiveB247x

Actually he died of complications of a form of cancer and probably of age (85).

Secondly, regardless of being a figure in sports or not, gross misconduct is not reporting it to POLICE. Simply because you have an employer or you work in the sports field or are an athlete, doesn't remove you from being a decent, normal human being. Anyone from any walk of life should have contacted the Police either immediately or after seeing the school didn't do anything bout it.

pandora wrote:

I may not be up to speed on all the facts ... this a worn out subject for me

He went to his superiors... would he have gone to the police in hindsight
most likely

This speaks to the rampant misconduct of men in sports not just this situation
but more than we know ... excepted rights into passage... gross misconduct and
attracting the worse of the worse... but this was not Joe Paterno.

And yes he was a victim also... dying with a broken heart.

keeponrockin

pandora wrote:

keeponrockin wrote:

pandora wrote:

This really made us sad when we heard this, to leave this world, not the hero he
could have should have been. Pierced many hearts... another victim really.

How the hell is Paterno a victim?

At the VERY best, he was incompetent, at worst, and enabler.

I may not be up to speed on all the facts ... this a worn out subject for me

He went to his superiors... would he have gone to the police in hindsight
most likely

This speaks to the rampant misconduct of men in sports not just this situation
but more than we know ... excepted rights into passage... gross misconduct and
attracting the worse of the worse... but this was not Joe Paterno.

And yes he was a victim also... dying with a broken heart.

So, he was incompetant. Not a victim. And if he didn't want to die of a broken heart, he should have gone to the police in 2002, where he'd be a hero.

prism

pandora wrote:

keeponrockin wrote:

pandora wrote:

This really made us sad when we heard this, to leave this world, not the hero he
could have should have been. Pierced many hearts... another victim really.

How the hell is Paterno a victim?

At the VERY best, he was incompetent, at worst, and enabler.

I may not be up to speed on all the facts ... this a worn out subject for me

He went to his superiors... would he have gone to the police in hindsight
most likely

This speaks to the rampant misconduct of men in sports not just this situation
but more than we know ... excepted rights into passage... gross misconduct and
attracting the worse of the worse... but this was not Joe Paterno.

And yes he was a victim also... dying with a broken heart.

i empathize with the kids therefore i've no sympathy for joe paterno. i haven't said anything about any of this until now just because it sickens me so... but...

sorry pandora...i totally agree with others in saying he was NOT a victim. he had the knowledge that children were being sexually assaulted in the lockerroom, but he chose to turn a blind eye. all in favor of protecting the reputation of penn state football, rather than going directly to the police as he was obligated to when it comes to any abuse, especially child sex abuse(even if it's only suspected.) it made him an enabler that allowed for sandusky to continue molesting kids (& how many additional)

he was 85 and died of lung cancer complications, not of a broken heart. before spouting such nonsense you might well want to consider the broken hearts of the boys & their familes that he failed by his inaction

truth is he didn't give enough of a shit about defenseless children to file a police report that would've brought sandusky under investigation, thus brought the abuse of those kids to a halt, instead of it going on for years...how is a coach allowing an assistant or ex-asstistant coach to molest kids anything other than gross misconduct?

Cosmo

My take... after reviewing more of the Grand Jury testimony.
There is nothing Joe Paterno could have done to save the kid that was reported by McQueary...
BUT, Paterno COULD have done something to save the kids that Sandusky assaulted AFTER that. Instead, he chose the path that considered how this would affect Penn State football and went to Penn State University authorities, instead of local law enforcement. Had Paterno done that, involved local police (not University officials), Sandusky may have been stopped in 2002, thus, saving the victims beyond the 2002 incident.
Paterno should be remembered for his accomplishments regarding Penn State football... but, he also needs to be remembered for his UNHEROIC act of doing nothing for those victims.

shadowcast

Cosmo wrote:

My take... after reviewing more of the Grand Jury testimony.
There is nothing Joe Paterno could have done to save the kid that was reported by McQueary...
BUT, Paterno COULD have done something to save the kids that Sandusky assaulted AFTER that. Instead, he chose the path that considered how this would affect Penn State football and went to Penn State University authorities, instead of local law enforcement. Had Paterno done that, involved local police (not University officials), Sandusky may have been stopped in 2002, thus, saving the victims beyond the 2002 incident.
Paterno should be remembered for his accomplishments regarding Penn State football... but, he also needs to be remembered for his UNHEROIC act of doing nothing for those victims.

That is a very fair statement. I'm with you about he couldn't have done nothing about the events that took place prior to 2002. But, with him being the figure head and working with kids especially some of these football players who do not come from the best homes. He should have and was obligated to do more than to report to the head of financing.

Side note: I understand that he had a lot of wins but during all of his years he was only able to muster up 2 National Titles?