I heard this the other day and felt it hit the nail on the head:
"I won't remember Joe Paterno for football or all the things he did, but instead for the thing he didn't do".
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Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
Wow this thread is just full of assumptions.............
uh not really...have you read the grand jury report?
No, I haven't read the report. My base understanding was that Paterno was told from a secondary source of what was happening, and that he reported it to his superiors the next day. Is this accurate?
If so, I don't understand how people would make the leap from the above to "HE LET KIDS GET RAPED IN THE SHOWERS OF HIS OWN ATHLETIC BUILDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" (as pulled from the first page of this thread).
It would seem to become a judgement call between employee/employer relations and criminal law after that.
Could he have done more? Probably. Should this action override everything else he has done? I don't know for sure, but seems like everybody else is convinced.
There's that level of it but then to let the guy stay involved with the team, stay on the sideline, etc? Not good. Plus I just add this stuff to his support of the women's bball coach which is something just seemed to forget magically.
Wow this thread is just full of assumptions.............
uh not really...have you read the grand jury report?
No, I haven't read the report. My base understanding was that Paterno was told from a secondary source of what was happening, and that he reported it to his superiors the next day. Is this accurate?
If so, I don't understand how people would make the leap from the above to "HE LET KIDS GET RAPED IN THE SHOWERS OF HIS OWN ATHLETIC BUILDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" (as pulled from the first page of this thread).
It would seem to become a judgement call between employee/employer relations and criminal law after that.
Could he have done more? Probably. Should this action override everything else he has done? I don't know for sure, but seems like everybody else is convinced.
Well who knows how many more kids got raped in the showers after Joe knew of what happened and didn't report it or follow up on it or questions why is this guy still around on the campus after what was reported.
I was in a bar when the news of the children in the shower thing came out and some random dude who needed to give me two cents of what he thought about the situation and then made the mistake of asking me. So here is my two cents. I looked at the guy and said "you ever been to a bar with any of your friends who are involved (ie:married, serious, etc) and watched them pick up another woman and not report it to their better half?" Well we all know what that answer was. He piped up with the kids are different, blah, blah, blah. But I don't think so. Turning the blind eye, is turning the blind eye. Period.
Other then that little problem the man had. He ran a super football program.
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
I was in a bar when the news of the children in the shower thing came out and some random dude who needed to give me two cents of what he thought about the situation and then made the mistake of asking me. So here is my two cents. I looked at the guy and said "you ever been to a bar with any of your friends who are involved (ie:married, serious, etc) and watched them pick up another woman and not report it to their better half?" Well we all know what that answer was. He piped up with the kids are different, blah, blah, blah. But I don't think so. Turning the blind eye, is turning the blind eye. Period.
Other then that little problem the man had. He ran a super football program.
Really? Turning a blind eye to your friend cheating on his wife is the same as turning a blind eye to raping kids?
The rationalization of Joe Paterno's actions on this thread have been downright hilarious/disgusting. If you let your friend drive while UI and didn't say anything, if you let your friend spank your child and didn't say anything, if you let your friend verbally abuse her husband/his wife and didn't say anything, if you let your friend take home a consenting adult that is not her husband/his wife and didn't say anything...are you FUCKING KIDDING ME? None of these things equal having knowledge of a child/children being violated on the premises of the space that the hypothetical person had been entrusted to make safe.
The bar is a space where CONSENSUAL infidelity happens, people discipline and communicate with one another in their own homes in sometimes uncomfortable ways (I'd like to think if one of my boy's hit his wife in front of me/my friends something would be done), and allowing for drinking and driving is potentially horrible but you can actually go to jail/get sued for that if your friend harms himself or someone else (and no one comes to their defense like some of you are for Joe Pa). The Penn State football complex is a space where a child getting raped is NOT supposed to happen. Joe Paterno's job is to do his best never to let that happen, and if it may have happened NEVER let the motherfucker who did it back on the complex. Joe Pa let dirtbag Sandusky hang around for a DECADE, a FUCKING DECADE, and you want us to feel bad that his little legacy of coaching a mediocre football program, and donating a few bucks to a library isn't the only thing he gets memorialized for? Just step back and think about that for a second. I've been trying to understand why people are trying to remember the good things he's done, but you blind followers are being stupid. I'm sorry you just are. How can you not see this?
The rationalization of Joe Paterno's actions on this thread have been downright hilarious/disgusting. If you let your friend drive while UI and didn't say anything, if you let your friend spank your child and didn't say anything, if you let your friend verbally abuse her husband/his wife and didn't say anything, if you let your friend take home a consenting adult that is not her husband/his wife and didn't say anything...are you FUCKING KIDDING ME? None of these things equal having knowledge of a child/children being violated on the premises of the space that the hypothetical person had been entrusted to make safe.
The bar is a space where CONSENSUAL infidelity happens, people discipline and communicate with one another in their own homes in sometimes uncomfortable ways (I'd like to think if one of my boy's hit his wife in front of me/my friends something would be done), and allowing for drinking and driving is potentially horrible but you can actually go to jail/get sued for that if your friend harms himself or someone else (and no one comes to their defense like some of you are for Joe Pa). The Penn State football complex is a space where a child getting raped is NOT supposed to happen. Joe Paterno's job is to do his best never to let that happen, and if it may have happened NEVER let the motherfucker who did it back on the complex. Joe Pa let dirtbag Sandusky hang around for a DECADE, a FUCKING DECADE, and you want us to feel bad that his little legacy of coaching a mediocre football program, and donating a few bucks to a library isn't the only thing he gets memorialized for? Just step back and think about that for a second. I've been trying to understand why people are trying to remember the good things he's done, but you blind followers are being stupid. I'm sorry you just are. How can you not see this?
All these ridiculous analogies are only making the Patero thing seem worse.
I've tried to imagine what i'd do if I were in his shoes. I suppose at first I would've been in disbelief. But how do you not confront someone about it? or make sure it didnt happen and would never happen again? If anyone at my work came to me about something like this, I wouldnt be able to sleep at night until I got to the bottom of it. He handled it poorly (pathetically), that's the bottom line, but how does a 75 year old guy react to something like this? :?
The rationalization of Joe Paterno's actions on this thread have been downright hilarious/disgusting. If you let your friend drive while UI and didn't say anything, if you let your friend spank your child and didn't say anything, if you let your friend verbally abuse her husband/his wife and didn't say anything, if you let your friend take home a consenting adult that is not her husband/his wife and didn't say anything...are you FUCKING KIDDING ME? None of these things equal having knowledge of a child/children being violated on the premises of the space that the hypothetical person had been entrusted to make safe.
The bar is a space where CONSENSUAL infidelity happens, people discipline and communicate with one another in their own homes in sometimes uncomfortable ways (I'd like to think if one of my boy's hit his wife in front of me/my friends something would be done), and allowing for drinking and driving is potentially horrible but you can actually go to jail/get sued for that if your friend harms himself or someone else (and no one comes to their defense like some of you are for Joe Pa). The Penn State football complex is a space where a child getting raped is NOT supposed to happen. Joe Paterno's job is to do his best never to let that happen, and if it may have happened NEVER let the motherfucker who did it back on the complex. Joe Pa let dirtbag Sandusky hang around for a DECADE, a FUCKING DECADE, and you want us to feel bad that his little legacy of coaching a mediocre football program, and donating a few bucks to a library isn't the only thing he gets memorialized for? Just step back and think about that for a second. I've been trying to understand why people are trying to remember the good things he's done, but you blind followers are being stupid. I'm sorry you just are. How can you not see this?
I am holding out until details become part of the public record during the court case against Sandusky and Paterno's role in it.
I find it is easier to come to a reasonable conclusion when truth is revealed... sort of like how I came to the conclusion that the great things O.J. Simpson did on the playing field and in the press booth could not overcome the character of his being.
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The rationalization of Joe Paterno's actions on this thread have been downright hilarious/disgusting. If you let your friend drive while UI and didn't say anything, if you let your friend spank your child and didn't say anything, if you let your friend verbally abuse her husband/his wife and didn't say anything, if you let your friend take home a consenting adult that is not her husband/his wife and didn't say anything...are you FUCKING KIDDING ME? None of these things equal having knowledge of a child/children being violated on the premises of the space that the hypothetical person had been entrusted to make safe.
The bar is a space where CONSENSUAL infidelity happens, people discipline and communicate with one another in their own homes in sometimes uncomfortable ways (I'd like to think if one of my boy's hit his wife in front of me/my friends something would be done), and allowing for drinking and driving is potentially horrible but you can actually go to jail/get sued for that if your friend harms himself or someone else (and no one comes to their defense like some of you are for Joe Pa). The Penn State football complex is a space where a child getting raped is NOT supposed to happen. Joe Paterno's job is to do his best never to let that happen, and if it may have happened NEVER let the motherfucker who did it back on the complex. Joe Pa let dirtbag Sandusky hang around for a DECADE, a FUCKING DECADE, and you want us to feel bad that his little legacy of coaching a mediocre football program, and donating a few bucks to a library isn't the only thing he gets memorialized for? Just step back and think about that for a second. I've been trying to understand why people are trying to remember the good things he's done, but you blind followers are being stupid. I'm sorry you just are. How can you not see this?
All these ridiculous analogies are only making the Patero thing seem worse.
I've tried to imagine what i'd do if I were in his shoes. I suppose at first I would've been in disbelief. But how do you not confront someone about it? or make sure it didnt happen and would never happen again? If anyone at my work came to me about something like this, I wouldnt be able to sleep at night until I got to the bottom of it. He handled it poorly (pathetically), that's the bottom line, but how does a 75 year old guy react to something like this? :?
a 75 year old guy is supposed to be wise enough to do the right thing especially the great sage that Joe Pa was.
I am holding out until details become part of the public record during the court case against Sandusky and Paterno's role in it.
I find it is easier to come to a reasonable conclusion when truth is revealed... sort of like how I came to the conclusion that the great things O.J. Simpson did on the playing field and in the press booth could not overcome the character of his being.
Here's a good start Joe is mentioned on page six (victim two).
The rationalization of Joe Paterno's actions on this thread have been downright hilarious/disgusting. If you let your friend drive while UI and didn't say anything, if you let your friend spank your child and didn't say anything, if you let your friend verbally abuse her husband/his wife and didn't say anything, if you let your friend take home a consenting adult that is not her husband/his wife and didn't say anything...are you FUCKING KIDDING ME? None of these things equal having knowledge of a child/children being violated on the premises of the space that the hypothetical person had been entrusted to make safe.
The bar is a space where CONSENSUAL infidelity happens, people discipline and communicate with one another in their own homes in sometimes uncomfortable ways (I'd like to think if one of my boy's hit his wife in front of me/my friends something would be done), and allowing for drinking and driving is potentially horrible but you can actually go to jail/get sued for that if your friend harms himself or someone else (and no one comes to their defense like some of you are for Joe Pa). The Penn State football complex is a space where a child getting raped is NOT supposed to happen. Joe Paterno's job is to do his best never to let that happen, and if it may have happened NEVER let the motherfucker who did it back on the complex. Joe Pa let dirtbag Sandusky hang around for a DECADE, a FUCKING DECADE, and you want us to feel bad that his little legacy of coaching a mediocre football program, and donating a few bucks to a library isn't the only thing he gets memorialized for? Just step back and think about that for a second. I've been trying to understand why people are trying to remember the good things he's done, but you blind followers are being stupid. I'm sorry you just are. How can you not see this?
All these ridiculous analogies are only making the Patero thing seem worse.
I've tried to imagine what i'd do if I were in his shoes. I suppose at first I would've been in disbelief. But how do you not confront someone about it? or make sure it didnt happen and would never happen again? If anyone at my work came to me about something like this, I wouldnt be able to sleep at night until I got to the bottom of it. He handled it poorly (pathetically), that's the bottom line, but how does a 75 year old guy react to something like this? :?
a 75 year old guy is supposed to be wise enough to do the right thing especially the great sage that Joe Pa was.
Trust me, I agree with everything you say, I just remember my Grandfather at 80 years old, who was stuck in his ways and didnt understand homosexuality, me owning a Japanese car, or why I wore a baseball hat indoors.
If I told him his co-worker, another man, was doing these things to young boys, I wonder how he'd process it. Now, I'm sure JoePa had more sense than my grandfather, but I'm just wondering, thats all.
how about if he wanted to be the way he was (he had the right too) then why not retire? the reality of the situation is that he stuck around way too long and these were but a few things to come of it.
I am holding out until details become part of the public record during the court case against Sandusky and Paterno's role in it.
I find it is easier to come to a reasonable conclusion when truth is revealed... sort of like how I came to the conclusion that the great things O.J. Simpson did on the playing field and in the press booth could not overcome the character of his being.
Here's a good start Joe is mentioned on page six (victim two).
I could hardly read that stuff. How disgusting. Sandusky is truly a monster. I cant believe how open he was with it and how long it took him to be caught. i'm appalled at the whole situation - everyone involved.
I am holding out until details become part of the public record during the court case against Sandusky and Paterno's role in it.
I find it is easier to come to a reasonable conclusion when truth is revealed... sort of like how I came to the conclusion that the great things O.J. Simpson did on the playing field and in the press booth could not overcome the character of his being.
Here's a good start Joe is mentioned on page six (victim two).
I could hardly read that stuff. How disgusting. Sandusky is truly a monster. I cant believe how open he was with it and how long it took him to be caught. i'm appalled at the whole situation - everyone involved.
I feel the same way. When I was reading that I just kept getting more and more angry. They are all guilty.
joe paterno was told sandusky had raped a boy in the showers and not only didn't tell police, he kept the fucker on his staff for a few more years
I have yet to come to this discussion but Sandusky was out in 99, the event in the shower was 2002.
You are right to correct this error in facts. But, what he did do is allow him access to the facilities after he heard. Slightly different, but same effect. So, again - it is good you corrected the record, but his failing is still clear.
In the Greek Mythology version of this story (if one were to exist), his great grand child would get tangled up in this web he helped create. Perhaps as someone who helps a future victim that is a child of one of the victims who mentions that his dad told him something about a Penn State connection, and the great grand child puts the pieces horrifically together. I wonder if it would finally dawn on him why he ended up in hell.....
(and do not attack the analogy - I would hope everyone involved gets the help they needed, and the cycle of harm ends. And, I would never wish harm on anyone. Unfortunately, this is such an horrific thing he did(n't) do, the story will unfortunately play out to some unfortunate child that wasn't even born when this man(?) died).
Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
joe paterno was told sandusky had raped a boy in the showers and not only didn't tell police, he kept the fucker on his staff for a few more years
simply untrue.
But he was still allowed to access the locker room, stadium, gym and school. He also had an office and parking spot. But what the Penn State clowns did to punish him was they took all these things away from him but didn't tell the police.
How come no one mentions the fact that after he was told and spoke to the administration, not only did the administration fail to do anything, Joe Paterno never once thought to contact the authorities. This wasn't speculation or something either - he literally passed it along and didn't ask ever after? That's pathetic and awful and people should have zero respect for Paterno and the people at Penn St after such an ordeal.
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
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"I won't remember Joe Paterno for football or all the things he did, but instead for the thing he didn't do".
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
uh not really...have you read the grand jury report?
No, I haven't read the report. My base understanding was that Paterno was told from a secondary source of what was happening, and that he reported it to his superiors the next day. Is this accurate?
If so, I don't understand how people would make the leap from the above to "HE LET KIDS GET RAPED IN THE SHOWERS OF HIS OWN ATHLETIC BUILDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" (as pulled from the first page of this thread).
It would seem to become a judgement call between employee/employer relations and criminal law after that.
Could he have done more? Probably. Should this action override everything else he has done? I don't know for sure, but seems like everybody else is convinced.
Other then that little problem the man had. He ran a super football program.
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
The bar is a space where CONSENSUAL infidelity happens, people discipline and communicate with one another in their own homes in sometimes uncomfortable ways (I'd like to think if one of my boy's hit his wife in front of me/my friends something would be done), and allowing for drinking and driving is potentially horrible but you can actually go to jail/get sued for that if your friend harms himself or someone else (and no one comes to their defense like some of you are for Joe Pa). The Penn State football complex is a space where a child getting raped is NOT supposed to happen. Joe Paterno's job is to do his best never to let that happen, and if it may have happened NEVER let the motherfucker who did it back on the complex. Joe Pa let dirtbag Sandusky hang around for a DECADE, a FUCKING DECADE, and you want us to feel bad that his little legacy of coaching a mediocre football program, and donating a few bucks to a library isn't the only thing he gets memorialized for? Just step back and think about that for a second. I've been trying to understand why people are trying to remember the good things he's done, but you blind followers are being stupid. I'm sorry you just are. How can you not see this?
All these ridiculous analogies are only making the Patero thing seem worse.
I've tried to imagine what i'd do if I were in his shoes. I suppose at first I would've been in disbelief. But how do you not confront someone about it? or make sure it didnt happen and would never happen again? If anyone at my work came to me about something like this, I wouldnt be able to sleep at night until I got to the bottom of it. He handled it poorly (pathetically), that's the bottom line, but how does a 75 year old guy react to something like this? :?
I find it is easier to come to a reasonable conclusion when truth is revealed... sort of like how I came to the conclusion that the great things O.J. Simpson did on the playing field and in the press booth could not overcome the character of his being.
Hail, Hail!!!
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Trust me, I agree with everything you say, I just remember my Grandfather at 80 years old, who was stuck in his ways and didnt understand homosexuality, me owning a Japanese car, or why I wore a baseball hat indoors.
If I told him his co-worker, another man, was doing these things to young boys, I wonder how he'd process it. Now, I'm sure JoePa had more sense than my grandfather, but I'm just wondering, thats all.
I could hardly read that stuff. How disgusting. Sandusky is truly a monster. I cant believe how open he was with it and how long it took him to be caught. i'm appalled at the whole situation - everyone involved.
I have yet to come to this discussion but Sandusky was out in 99, the event in the shower was 2002.
You are right to correct this error in facts. But, what he did do is allow him access to the facilities after he heard. Slightly different, but same effect. So, again - it is good you corrected the record, but his failing is still clear.
In the Greek Mythology version of this story (if one were to exist), his great grand child would get tangled up in this web he helped create. Perhaps as someone who helps a future victim that is a child of one of the victims who mentions that his dad told him something about a Penn State connection, and the great grand child puts the pieces horrifically together. I wonder if it would finally dawn on him why he ended up in hell.....
(and do not attack the analogy - I would hope everyone involved gets the help they needed, and the cycle of harm ends. And, I would never wish harm on anyone. Unfortunately, this is such an horrific thing he did(n't) do, the story will unfortunately play out to some unfortunate child that wasn't even born when this man(?) died).
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis