simply untrue.[/quote]
But he was still allowed to access the locker room, stadium, gym and school. He also had an office and parking spot. But what the Penn State clowns did to punish him was they took all these things away from him but didn't tell the police.[/quote]
fair enough. the focus on paterno - who DID report what he was told - is what gets me. it was the brass that failed in a way that i can't forgive, not the old man.[/quote]
The old man should have followed up on why is Sandusky still hanging around the school. If I was joe I would have personally kicked his ass off school grounds and then would have followed up with the police. But he was part of the cover up and wanted to keep it business as usally. Kids getting raped or our football program. They went for the selfish reason ..the football program. Shame on them.
I was in a bar when the news of the children in the shower thing came out and some random dude who needed to give me two cents of what he thought about the situation and then made the mistake of asking me. So here is my two cents. I looked at the guy and said "you ever been to a bar with any of your friends who are involved (ie:married, serious, etc) and watched them pick up another woman and not report it to their better half?" Well we all know what that answer was. He piped up with the kids are different, blah, blah, blah. But I don't think so. Turning the blind eye, is turning the blind eye. Period.
Other then that little problem the man had. He ran a super football program.
Really? Turning a blind eye to your friend cheating on his wife is the same as turning a blind eye to raping kids?
Well I'd want the same punishment if you got raped, your wife got raped or your child got raped. There is no in between. So yeah, I see it the exact same way. One very weak person, taking the side of somebody they don't want to see get in trouble.
If a friend of yours committed murder with an axe, would you keep that axe in your garage so the authorities couldn't find it or would you tell him to rot in hell and turn him in?
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
I was in a bar when the news of the children in the shower thing came out and some random dude who needed to give me two cents of what he thought about the situation and then made the mistake of asking me. So here is my two cents. I looked at the guy and said "you ever been to a bar with any of your friends who are involved (ie:married, serious, etc) and watched them pick up another woman and not report it to their better half?" Well we all know what that answer was. He piped up with the kids are different, blah, blah, blah. But I don't think so. Turning the blind eye, is turning the blind eye. Period.
Other then that little problem the man had. He ran a super football program.
Really? Turning a blind eye to your friend cheating on his wife is the same as turning a blind eye to raping kids?
Well I'd want the same punishment if you got raped, your wife got raped or your child got raped. There is no in between. So yeah, I see it the exact same way. One very weak person, taking the side of somebody they don't want to see get in trouble.
If a friend of yours committed murder with an axe, would you keep that axe in your garage so the authorities couldn't find it or would you tell him to rot in hell and turn him in?
Of course I would turn them in. The comparison of a man cheating on his wife and molesting a child are not even in the same ball park.. It’s a crime to molest a child not a crime to cheat on your wife.
Really? Turning a blind eye to your friend cheating on his wife is the same as turning a blind eye to raping kids?
Well I'd want the same punishment if you got raped, your wife got raped or your child got raped. There is no in between. So yeah, I see it the exact same way. One very weak person, taking the side of somebody they don't want to see get in trouble.
If a friend of yours committed murder with an axe, would you keep that axe in your garage so the authorities couldn't find it or would you tell him to rot in hell and turn him in?
Of course I would turn them in. The comparison of a man cheating on his wife and molesting a child are not even in the same ball park.. It’s a crime to molest a child not a crime to cheat on your wife.
Jules: "Ain't no fuckin' ballpark neither. Now look, maybe your method of massage differs from mine, but, you know, touchin' his wife's feet, and stickin' your tongue in her Holiest of Holies, ain't the same fuckin' ballpark, it ain't the same league, it ain't even the same fuckin' sport. Look, foot massages don't mean shit."
Definitely not even the same sport, let alone ballpark.
Of course I would turn them in. The comparison of a man cheating on his wife and molesting a child are not even in the same ball park.. It’s a crime to molest a child not a crime to cheat on your wife.[/quote]
I guess it all depends on what kind of belief system you have? Just to name a few. So anyway, I stick with what I said.
You shall not murder.
You shall not commit adultery.
You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
I guess it all depends on what kind of belief system you have? Just to name a few. So anyway, I stick with what I said.
You shall not murder.
You shall not commit adultery.
You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”
You're kidding right?
Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
Yeah... me coveting my neighbors "goods" is just as bad as killing another human being or raping a child. If you believe that, I suggest you re-evaluate what your gods priorities and morals are.
Of course I would turn them in. The comparison of a man cheating on his wife and molesting a child are not even in the same ball park.. It’s a crime to molest a child not a crime to cheat on your wife.[/quote]
I guess it all depends on what kind of belief system you have? Just to name a few. So anyway, I stick with what I said.
You shall not murder.
You shall not commit adultery.
You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”[/quote]
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
Yeah - and I'm sure everyone thinks that's a great way to handle it? Pass it along one time to University and then go about your business like nothing else happened? This is awful and either his mental capabilities due to age or health have long left him or he's completely spineless in his lack of follow up or action/re-action.
Also, even if you give Paterno the benefit of the doubt and say his age and mental capabilities were the reason he didn't follow up, ask yourself how this man remained the head coach for so long during this time-frame. Something doesn't add up and it doesn't paint a pretty picture of Paterno or the Administration at Penn St.
joe paterno was told sandusky had raped a boy in the showers and not only didn't tell police, he kept the fucker on his staff for a few more years
Umm, like others pointed out Jerry Sandusky did not work for JoePa after 1999.
Oh, and Paterno did notify the University VP that was in charge of campus police.
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
This really made us sad when we heard this, to leave this world, not the hero he
could have should have been. Pierced many hearts... another victim really.
Of course I would turn them in. The comparison of a man cheating on his wife and molesting a child are not even in the same ball park.. It’s a crime to molest a child not a crime to cheat on your wife.[/quote]
I guess it all depends on what kind of belief system you have? Just to name a few. So anyway, I stick with what I said.
You shall not murder.
You shall not commit adultery.
You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”[/quote]
Wow what the fuck is wrong with you? This (and your other posts in this thread) is scary stuff. How could you possibly believe that? Truly psychotic shit.
This really made us sad when we heard this, to leave this world, not the hero he
could have should have been. Pierced many hearts... another victim really.
How the hell is Paterno a victim?
At the VERY best, he was incompetent, at worst, and enabler.
Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
joe paterno was told sandusky had raped a boy in the showers and not only didn't tell police, he kept the fucker on his staff for a few more years
Umm, like others pointed out Jerry Sandusky did not work for JoePa after 1999.
Oh, and Paterno did notify the University VP that was in charge of campus police.
The campus police that you’re referring to was Gary Schultz. Whose title is VP of Finance & Business. The other guy he contacted was Tim Curley who was the Athletic Director. I see no relation to the police at all. Unless you have other info please post it. Joe Pa was GOD at that campus he could have gotten anyone kicked out at any time. He let that scum bag hang around for years after the fact.
Of course I would turn them in. The comparison of a man cheating on his wife and molesting a child are not even in the same ball park.. It’s a crime to molest a child not a crime to cheat on your wife.[/quote]
I guess it all depends on what kind of belief system you have? Just to name a few. So anyway, I stick with what I said.
You shall not murder.
You shall not commit adultery.
You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”[/quote]
Really? Don't get all God on me....Where was God for these young boy's?
This really made us sad when we heard this, to leave this world, not the hero he
could have should have been. Pierced many hearts... another victim really.
How the hell is Paterno a victim?
At the VERY best, he was incompetent, at worst, and enabler.
I may not be up to speed on all the facts ... this a worn out subject for me
He went to his superiors... would he have gone to the police in hindsight
most likely
This speaks to the rampant misconduct of men in sports not just this situation
but more than we know ... excepted rights into passage... gross misconduct and
attracting the worse of the worse... but this was not Joe Paterno.
And yes he was a victim also... dying with a broken heart.
Actually he died of complications of a form of cancer and probably of age (85).
Secondly, regardless of being a figure in sports or not, gross misconduct is not reporting it to POLICE. Simply because you have an employer or you work in the sports field or are an athlete, doesn't remove you from being a decent, normal human being. Anyone from any walk of life should have contacted the Police either immediately or after seeing the school didn't do anything bout it.
I may not be up to speed on all the facts ... this a worn out subject for me
He went to his superiors... would he have gone to the police in hindsight
most likely
This speaks to the rampant misconduct of men in sports not just this situation
but more than we know ... excepted rights into passage... gross misconduct and
attracting the worse of the worse... but this was not Joe Paterno.
And yes he was a victim also... dying with a broken heart.
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
This really made us sad when we heard this, to leave this world, not the hero he
could have should have been. Pierced many hearts... another victim really.
How the hell is Paterno a victim?
At the VERY best, he was incompetent, at worst, and enabler.
I may not be up to speed on all the facts ... this a worn out subject for me
He went to his superiors... would he have gone to the police in hindsight
most likely
This speaks to the rampant misconduct of men in sports not just this situation
but more than we know ... excepted rights into passage... gross misconduct and
attracting the worse of the worse... but this was not Joe Paterno.
And yes he was a victim also... dying with a broken heart.
So, he was incompetant. Not a victim. And if he didn't want to die of a broken heart, he should have gone to the police in 2002, where he'd be a hero.
Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
This really made us sad when we heard this, to leave this world, not the hero he
could have should have been. Pierced many hearts... another victim really.
How the hell is Paterno a victim?
At the VERY best, he was incompetent, at worst, and enabler.
I may not be up to speed on all the facts ... this a worn out subject for me
He went to his superiors... would he have gone to the police in hindsight
most likely
This speaks to the rampant misconduct of men in sports not just this situation
but more than we know ... excepted rights into passage... gross misconduct and
attracting the worse of the worse... but this was not Joe Paterno.
And yes he was a victim also... dying with a broken heart.
i empathize with the kids therefore i've no sympathy for joe paterno. i haven't said anything about any of this until now just because it sickens me so... but...
sorry pandora...i totally agree with others in saying he was NOT a victim. he had the knowledge that children were being sexually assaulted in the lockerroom, but he chose to turn a blind eye. all in favor of protecting the reputation of penn state football, rather than going directly to the police as he was obligated to when it comes to any abuse, especially child sex abuse(even if it's only suspected.) it made him an enabler that allowed for sandusky to continue molesting kids (& how many additional)
he was 85 and died of lung cancer complications, not of a broken heart. before spouting such nonsense you might well want to consider the broken hearts of the boys & their familes that he failed by his inaction
truth is he didn't give enough of a shit about defenseless children to file a police report that would've brought sandusky under investigation, thus brought the abuse of those kids to a halt, instead of it going on for years...how is a coach allowing an assistant or ex-asstistant coach to molest kids anything other than gross misconduct?
My take... after reviewing more of the Grand Jury testimony.
There is nothing Joe Paterno could have done to save the kid that was reported by McQueary...
BUT, Paterno COULD have done something to save the kids that Sandusky assaulted AFTER that. Instead, he chose the path that considered how this would affect Penn State football and went to Penn State University authorities, instead of local law enforcement. Had Paterno done that, involved local police (not University officials), Sandusky may have been stopped in 2002, thus, saving the victims beyond the 2002 incident.
Paterno should be remembered for his accomplishments regarding Penn State football... but, he also needs to be remembered for his UNHEROIC act of doing nothing for those victims.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
My take... after reviewing more of the Grand Jury testimony.
There is nothing Joe Paterno could have done to save the kid that was reported by McQueary...
BUT, Paterno COULD have done something to save the kids that Sandusky assaulted AFTER that. Instead, he chose the path that considered how this would affect Penn State football and went to Penn State University authorities, instead of local law enforcement. Had Paterno done that, involved local police (not University officials), Sandusky may have been stopped in 2002, thus, saving the victims beyond the 2002 incident.
Paterno should be remembered for his accomplishments regarding Penn State football... but, he also needs to be remembered for his UNHEROIC act of doing nothing for those victims.
That is a very fair statement. I'm with you about he couldn't have done nothing about the events that took place prior to 2002. But, with him being the figure head and working with kids especially some of these football players who do not come from the best homes. He should have and was obligated to do more than to report to the head of financing.
Side note: I understand that he had a lot of wins but during all of his years he was only able to muster up 2 National Titles?
My take... after reviewing more of the Grand Jury testimony.
There is nothing Joe Paterno could have done to save the kid that was reported by McQueary...
BUT, Paterno COULD have done something to save the kids that Sandusky assaulted AFTER that. Instead, he chose the path that considered how this would affect Penn State football and went to Penn State University authorities, instead of local law enforcement. Had Paterno done that, involved local police (not University officials), Sandusky may have been stopped in 2002, thus, saving the victims beyond the 2002 incident.
Paterno should be remembered for his accomplishments regarding Penn State football... but, he also needs to be remembered for his UNHEROIC act of doing nothing for those victims.
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
That is a very fair statement. I'm with you about he couldn't have done nothing about the events that took place prior to 2002. But, with him being the figure head and working with kids especially some of these football players who do not come from the best homes. He should have and was obligated to do more than to report to the head of financing.
Side note: I understand that he had a lot of wins but during all of his years he was only able to muster up 2 National Titles?
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The issue I have with this... Joe Paterno... was he a 'Hero'? I mean, 85... was he a Korean War veteran?
I give him credit for his football coaching skills... but, does that qualify as 'Heroic'? Wouldn't that mean that Bill Belichick is also a 'hero'?
I have heard on the talk radio about him being a Hero. To me, a Hero would have done whatever it takes to stop a sexual predator, regardless of any relationship between them.
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Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
My take... after reviewing more of the Grand Jury testimony.
There is nothing Joe Paterno could have done to save the kid that was reported by McQueary...
BUT, Paterno COULD have done something to save the kids that Sandusky assaulted AFTER that. Instead, he chose the path that considered how this would affect Penn State football and went to Penn State University authorities, instead of local law enforcement. Had Paterno done that, involved local police (not University officials), Sandusky may have been stopped in 2002, thus, saving the victims beyond the 2002 incident.
Paterno should be remembered for his accomplishments regarding Penn State football... but, he also needs to be remembered for his UNHEROIC act of doing nothing for those victims.
Don't forget there's also evidence he most likely knew in 1998 or 1999 which resulted in a relatively young "next in line to the throne" (Sandusky) to be let go with no real great explanation provided.
Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
Actually he died of complications of a form of cancer and probably of age (85).
Secondly, regardless of being a figure in sports or not, gross misconduct is not reporting it to POLICE. Simply because you have an employer or you work in the sports field or are an athlete, doesn't remove you from being a decent, normal human being. Anyone from any walk of life should have contacted the Police either immediately or after seeing the school didn't do anything bout it.
I may not be up to speed on all the facts ... this a worn out subject for me
He went to his superiors... would he have gone to the police in hindsight
most likely
This speaks to the rampant misconduct of men in sports not just this situation
but more than we know ... excepted rights into passage... gross misconduct and
attracting the worse of the worse... but this was not Joe Paterno.
And yes he was a victim also... dying with a broken heart.
Of course I do not defend him not going to the police
we see this with all kinds of abuse in all kinds of situations ...
geez...
a woman could be being attacked on the street and people ignore
not wanting to get involved
or after the fact people don't tell the police what they know
and yes these people are to blame they should get involved,
we all should get involved and some will but some will not, also.
The gross misconduct is that this is not unusual in men's sports was my point
looks like it is more common place than we know and has been going on a very long time. THIS is what needs to be addressed to protect our children.
Not saying it was right and as I said I'm sure he felt by the time he left this world
that he was not right in how he handled this.
I just understand what happened with Joe and it seems he was not alone,
others also made mistakes.
As far as dying from cancer ... just shows what stress can do to an elderly person
and I stand by my statement ... his heart was broken.
i empathize with the kids therefore i've no sympathy for joe paterno. i haven't said anything about any of this until now just because it sickens me so... but...
sorry pandora...i totally agree with others in saying he was NOT a victim. he had the knowledge that children were being sexually assaulted in the lockerroom, but he chose to turn a blind eye. all in favor of protecting the reputation of penn state football, rather than going directly to the police as he was obligated to when it comes to any abuse, especially child sex abuse(even if it's only suspected.) it made him an enabler that allowed for sandusky to continue molesting kids (& how many additional)
he was 85 and died of lung cancer complications, not of a broken heart. before spouting such nonsense you might well want to consider the broken hearts of the boys & their familes that he failed by his inaction
truth is he didn't give enough of a shit about defenseless children to file a police report that would've brought sandusky under investigation, thus brought the abuse of those kids to a halt, instead of it going on for years...how is a coach allowing an assistant or ex-asstistant coach to molest kids anything other than gross misconduct?
Who did go to the police ... his superiors when he told them?
The fella that witnessed the assault?
Hmmm seems plenty are guilty but Old Joe takes all the fall :?
I guess you can see he is an evil man ... this I do not see at all.
Only an evil man would not take all this to heart, this why I know his heart was broken,
along with those who were victimized that he could have prevented.
I guess some people don't realize he knew that he himself was guilty
this broke his heart... this guilt this shame he carries to beyond the grave
Who did go to the police ... his superiors when he told them?
The fella that witnessed the assault?
Hmmm seems plenty are guilty but Old Joe takes all the fall :?
I guess you can see he is an evil man ... this I do not see at all.
Only an evil man would not take all this to heart, this why I know his heart was broken,
along with those who were victimized that he could have prevented.
I guess some people don't realize he knew that he himself was guilty
this broke his heart... this guilt this shame he carries to beyond the grave
These are the facts:
1) Those that have the furthest to fall always fall the furthest.
2) Paterno was (and may apparently still be) the most powerful man in the State of Pennsylvania (let alone Happy Valley).
3) It is more understandable that his underlings (which is pretty much everyone else involved) followed his lead.
Yes, they all bear responsibility as well. But, he takes the most because he had the most responsibility. It's easy to be the king when all you want is the easy jobs. Do you see that everyone involved in the program are being removed (what connection did their new coach have to Penn State?). Do you think it's going to be easy for Mike McQueary to get a job somewhere else carrying this baggage? His punishment (if you will) is in that. What was Paterno's? He had nothing to lose (so what he didn't get to leave end of the season - boohoo!).
Adversity does not build character. It reveals character.
Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
i empathize with the kids therefore i've no sympathy for joe paterno. i haven't said anything about any of this until now just because it sickens me so... but...
sorry pandora...i totally agree with others in saying he was NOT a victim. he had the knowledge that children were being sexually assaulted in the lockerroom, but he chose to turn a blind eye. all in favor of protecting the reputation of penn state football, rather than going directly to the police as he was obligated to when it comes to any abuse, especially child sex abuse(even if it's only suspected.) it made him an enabler that allowed for sandusky to continue molesting kids (& how many additional)
he was 85 and died of lung cancer complications, not of a broken heart. before spouting such nonsense you might well want to consider the broken hearts of the boys & their familes that he failed by his inaction
truth is he didn't give enough of a shit about defenseless children to file a police report that would've brought sandusky under investigation, thus brought the abuse of those kids to a halt, instead of it going on for years...how is a coach allowing an assistant or ex-asstistant coach to molest kids anything other than gross misconduct?
Who did go to the police ... his superiors when he told them?
The fella that witnessed the assault?
Hmmm seems plenty are guilty but Old Joe takes all the fall :?
I guess you can see he is an evil man ... this I do not see at all.
Only an evil man would not take all this to heart, this why I know his heart was broken,
along with those who were victimized that he could have prevented.
I guess some people don't realize he knew that he himself was guilty
this broke his heart... this guilt this shame he carries to beyond the grave
IF he knew he was guilty, and felt remorse, why did he wait until the media broke the story to get out and apologize for it? He knew the grand jury investigation was going on.
Son of a bitch only felt guilty because people found out about it.
Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
Who did go to the police ... his superiors when he told them?
The fella that witnessed the assault?
Hmmm seems plenty are guilty but Old Joe takes all the fall :?
I guess you can see he is an evil man ... this I do not see at all.
Only an evil man would not take all this to heart, this why I know his heart was broken,
along with those who were victimized that he could have prevented.
I guess some people don't realize he knew that he himself was guilty
this broke his heart... this guilt this shame he carries to beyond the grave
These are the facts:
1) Those that have the furthest to fall always fall the furthest.
2) Paterno was (and may apparently still be) the most powerful man in the State of Pennsylvania (let alone Happy Valley).
3) It is more understandable that his underlings (which is pretty much everyone else involved) followed his lead.
Yes, they all bear responsibility as well. But, he takes the most because he had the most responsibility. It's easy to be the king when all you want is the easy jobs. Do you see that everyone involved in the program are being removed (what connection did their new coach have to Penn State?). Do you think it's going to be easy for Mike McQueary to get a job somewhere else carrying this baggage? His punishment (if you will) is in that. What was Paterno's? He had nothing to lose (so what he didn't get to leave end of the season - boohoo!).
Adversity does not build character. It reveals character.
Obviously I do not know these facts because I had heard Joe went to his superiors
when told about the assault that he himself did not witness, that he was not in a position
at the school to handle ... that only his superiors were.
So you think Joe's punishment was to leave the season early... really?
I guess you and are are very different on what we consider punishment.
And I wonder before this horrible tragedy... what you might have thought
of Joe, his adversity in his long life and his character.
IF he knew he was guilty, and felt remorse, why did he wait until the media broke the story to get out and apologize for it? He knew the grand jury investigation was going on.
Son of a bitch only felt guilty because people found out about it.
The same reason he never came forward which is one you will not
or choose not to understand.
From your words I see you feel he is without remorse and an evil man
this we can not agree on
so we will agree to disagree on Joe's heart
Pandora how come you keep making excuses? If you got a report at work saying that a coworker of yours was inappropriately was touching kids would you pass it along to your supervisor and then just forget about it and go about your business and work with this person there-after? How can you possibly make excuses for this course of neglect? Of course others at Penn St are guilty as well, but Paterno never contacted police or mentioned it there-after? That's pathetic and no human being with any source of respect for themselves or others acts this way. I don't care if he was a good coach or won silly football games, this man neglected this problem and the fact that he died there-after - who cares. He probably died of shame more than anything.
So you think Joe's punishment was to leave the season early... really?
I guess you and are are very different on what we consider punishment.
And I wonder before this horrible tragedy... what you might have thought
of Joe, his adversity in his long life and his character.
Judge not a heart you can not feel.
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
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But he was still allowed to access the locker room, stadium, gym and school. He also had an office and parking spot. But what the Penn State clowns did to punish him was they took all these things away from him but didn't tell the police.[/quote]
fair enough. the focus on paterno - who DID report what he was told - is what gets me. it was the brass that failed in a way that i can't forgive, not the old man.[/quote]
The old man should have followed up on why is Sandusky still hanging around the school. If I was joe I would have personally kicked his ass off school grounds and then would have followed up with the police. But he was part of the cover up and wanted to keep it business as usally. Kids getting raped or our football program. They went for the selfish reason ..the football program. Shame on them.
Well I'd want the same punishment if you got raped, your wife got raped or your child got raped. There is no in between. So yeah, I see it the exact same way. One very weak person, taking the side of somebody they don't want to see get in trouble.
If a friend of yours committed murder with an axe, would you keep that axe in your garage so the authorities couldn't find it or would you tell him to rot in hell and turn him in?
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
Of course I would turn them in. The comparison of a man cheating on his wife and molesting a child are not even in the same ball park.. It’s a crime to molest a child not a crime to cheat on your wife.
Jules: "Ain't no fuckin' ballpark neither. Now look, maybe your method of massage differs from mine, but, you know, touchin' his wife's feet, and stickin' your tongue in her Holiest of Holies, ain't the same fuckin' ballpark, it ain't the same league, it ain't even the same fuckin' sport. Look, foot massages don't mean shit."
Definitely not even the same sport, let alone ballpark.
Of course I would turn them in. The comparison of a man cheating on his wife and molesting a child are not even in the same ball park.. It’s a crime to molest a child not a crime to cheat on your wife.[/quote]
I guess it all depends on what kind of belief system you have? Just to name a few.
You shall not murder.
You shall not commit adultery.
You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
Of course I would turn them in. The comparison of a man cheating on his wife and molesting a child are not even in the same ball park.. It’s a crime to molest a child not a crime to cheat on your wife.[/quote]
I guess it all depends on what kind of belief system you have? Just to name a few.
You shall not murder.
You shall not commit adultery.
You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”[/quote]
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
Umm, like others pointed out Jerry Sandusky did not work for JoePa after 1999.
Oh, and Paterno did notify the University VP that was in charge of campus police.
Also, even if you give Paterno the benefit of the doubt and say his age and mental capabilities were the reason he didn't follow up, ask yourself how this man remained the head coach for so long during this time-frame. Something doesn't add up and it doesn't paint a pretty picture of Paterno or the Administration at Penn St.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
could have should have been. Pierced many hearts... another victim really.
Of course I would turn them in. The comparison of a man cheating on his wife and molesting a child are not even in the same ball park.. It’s a crime to molest a child not a crime to cheat on your wife.[/quote]
I guess it all depends on what kind of belief system you have? Just to name a few.
You shall not murder.
You shall not commit adultery.
You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”[/quote]
Wow what the fuck is wrong with you? This (and your other posts in this thread) is scary stuff. How could you possibly believe that? Truly psychotic shit.
At the VERY best, he was incompetent, at worst, and enabler.
Of course I would turn them in. The comparison of a man cheating on his wife and molesting a child are not even in the same ball park.. It’s a crime to molest a child not a crime to cheat on your wife.[/quote]
I guess it all depends on what kind of belief system you have? Just to name a few.
You shall not murder.
You shall not commit adultery.
You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”[/quote]
Really? Don't get all God on me....Where was God for these young boy's?
He went to his superiors... would he have gone to the police in hindsight
most likely
This speaks to the rampant misconduct of men in sports not just this situation
but more than we know ... excepted rights into passage... gross misconduct and
attracting the worse of the worse... but this was not Joe Paterno.
And yes he was a victim also... dying with a broken heart.
Secondly, regardless of being a figure in sports or not, gross misconduct is not reporting it to POLICE. Simply because you have an employer or you work in the sports field or are an athlete, doesn't remove you from being a decent, normal human being. Anyone from any walk of life should have contacted the Police either immediately or after seeing the school didn't do anything bout it.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
i empathize with the kids therefore i've no sympathy for joe paterno. i haven't said anything about any of this until now just because it sickens me so... but...
sorry pandora...i totally agree with others in saying he was NOT a victim. he had the knowledge that children were being sexually assaulted in the lockerroom, but he chose to turn a blind eye. all in favor of protecting the reputation of penn state football, rather than going directly to the police as he was obligated to when it comes to any abuse, especially child sex abuse(even if it's only suspected.) it made him an enabler that allowed for sandusky to continue molesting kids (& how many additional)
he was 85 and died of lung cancer complications, not of a broken heart. before spouting such nonsense you might well want to consider the broken hearts of the boys & their familes that he failed by his inaction
truth is he didn't give enough of a shit about defenseless children to file a police report that would've brought sandusky under investigation, thus brought the abuse of those kids to a halt, instead of it going on for years...how is a coach allowing an assistant or ex-asstistant coach to molest kids anything other than gross misconduct?
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There is nothing Joe Paterno could have done to save the kid that was reported by McQueary...
BUT, Paterno COULD have done something to save the kids that Sandusky assaulted AFTER that. Instead, he chose the path that considered how this would affect Penn State football and went to Penn State University authorities, instead of local law enforcement. Had Paterno done that, involved local police (not University officials), Sandusky may have been stopped in 2002, thus, saving the victims beyond the 2002 incident.
Paterno should be remembered for his accomplishments regarding Penn State football... but, he also needs to be remembered for his UNHEROIC act of doing nothing for those victims.
Hail, Hail!!!
That is a very fair statement. I'm with you about he couldn't have done nothing about the events that took place prior to 2002. But, with him being the figure head and working with kids especially some of these football players who do not come from the best homes. He should have and was obligated to do more than to report to the head of financing.
Side note: I understand that he had a lot of wins but during all of his years he was only able to muster up 2 National Titles?
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
The issue I have with this... Joe Paterno... was he a 'Hero'? I mean, 85... was he a Korean War veteran?
I give him credit for his football coaching skills... but, does that qualify as 'Heroic'? Wouldn't that mean that Bill Belichick is also a 'hero'?
I have heard on the talk radio about him being a Hero. To me, a Hero would have done whatever it takes to stop a sexual predator, regardless of any relationship between them.
Hail, Hail!!!
Don't forget there's also evidence he most likely knew in 1998 or 1999 which resulted in a relatively young "next in line to the throne" (Sandusky) to be let go with no real great explanation provided.
we see this with all kinds of abuse in all kinds of situations ...
geez...
a woman could be being attacked on the street and people ignore
not wanting to get involved
or after the fact people don't tell the police what they know
and yes these people are to blame they should get involved,
we all should get involved and some will but some will not, also.
The gross misconduct is that this is not unusual in men's sports was my point
looks like it is more common place than we know and has been going on a very long time.
THIS is what needs to be addressed to protect our children.
Not saying it was right and as I said I'm sure he felt by the time he left this world
that he was not right in how he handled this.
I just understand what happened with Joe and it seems he was not alone,
others also made mistakes.
As far as dying from cancer ... just shows what stress can do to an elderly person
and I stand by my statement ... his heart was broken.
The fella that witnessed the assault?
Hmmm seems plenty are guilty but Old Joe takes all the fall :?
I guess you can see he is an evil man ... this I do not see at all.
Only an evil man would not take all this to heart, this why I know his heart was broken,
along with those who were victimized that he could have prevented.
I guess some people don't realize he knew that he himself was guilty
this broke his heart... this guilt this shame he carries to beyond the grave
These are the facts:
1) Those that have the furthest to fall always fall the furthest.
2) Paterno was (and may apparently still be) the most powerful man in the State of Pennsylvania (let alone Happy Valley).
3) It is more understandable that his underlings (which is pretty much everyone else involved) followed his lead.
Yes, they all bear responsibility as well. But, he takes the most because he had the most responsibility. It's easy to be the king when all you want is the easy jobs. Do you see that everyone involved in the program are being removed (what connection did their new coach have to Penn State?). Do you think it's going to be easy for Mike McQueary to get a job somewhere else carrying this baggage? His punishment (if you will) is in that. What was Paterno's? He had nothing to lose (so what he didn't get to leave end of the season - boohoo!).
Adversity does not build character. It reveals character.
IF he knew he was guilty, and felt remorse, why did he wait until the media broke the story to get out and apologize for it? He knew the grand jury investigation was going on.
Son of a bitch only felt guilty because people found out about it.
when told about the assault that he himself did not witness, that he was not in a position
at the school to handle ... that only his superiors were.
So you think Joe's punishment was to leave the season early... really?
I guess you and are are very different on what we consider punishment.
And I wonder before this horrible tragedy... what you might have thought
of Joe, his adversity in his long life and his character.
Judge not a heart you can not feel.
The same reason he never came forward which is one you will not
or choose not to understand.
From your words I see you feel he is without remorse and an evil man
this we can not agree on
so we will agree to disagree on Joe's heart
but I do agree with you of his guilt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis