US Marines urinating on dead bodies in Afghanistan

Byrnzie

tybird wrote:

It happened in Korea prior to its division, it happened in China, it happened in Russia (pre-Soviet Union), it happened in the Philippines, it happened in Afghanistan more than once, it happened in Chechnya, it happened in the former Yugoslavia, it happened on Guadalcanal....to paint war atrocities on only two nations is very near-sighted and small-minded....whether it's sticks and stones, spears and arrows or gun and bombs this type of behavior has and will always occur during warfare.

Out of the list of wars you mention, how many of them were wars of occupation by a foreign army?

Newch91

Some Republicans don't care that they did this:

http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/ ... d-taliban/

Not everyone, however, was saddened by the events. Anti-Muslim activist Pam Geller wrote in favor of the incident. “I love these Marines,” she said, adding, “Perhaps this is the infidel interpretation of the Islamic ritual of washing and preparing the body for burial.” A former Republican National Committee researcher tweeted wondering, “this is a story?” He added: “I could care less. Liberal media at work.” Michael Goldfarb, a neoconseravtive Republican operative (a former McCain campaign spokesman), lobbyist and, as of recently, chairman of a new conservative online media venture, retweeted the comments from the RNC researcher.

eddiec

In Burma, when men were captured they tied a string tightly around their testicles then pulled them off. When they captured women they inserted glass bottles into their vaginas and then broke the ends off with the butts of their rifles. Atrocities of war are a horrible thing that has occurred throughout human existence. I didn't like watching this video, I found it repulsive, but this is nothing compared to the atrocities that exist this day.

Byrnzie

Newch91 wrote:

Some Republicans don't care that they did this:

http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/ ... d-taliban/

Not everyone, however, was saddened by the events. Anti-Muslim activist Pam Geller wrote in favor of the incident. “I love these Marines,” she said, adding, “Perhaps this is the infidel interpretation of the Islamic ritual of washing and preparing the body for burial.” A former Republican National Committee researcher tweeted wondering, “this is a story?” He added: “I could care less. Liberal media at work.” Michael Goldfarb, a neoconseravtive Republican operative (a former McCain campaign spokesman), lobbyist and, as of recently, chairman of a new conservative online media venture, retweeted the comments from the RNC researcher.

Despicable.

And yet many Americans still wonder why they're the most hated country in the World.

Here's your answer. It's because of scumbags like this.

cincybearcat

Polaris, you said it happens "all the time".

What do you mean by all the time? Just that it happens in limited situations in all wars, or that it is happening daily?

And to fuck, you have statistics from that book?

tybird

Byrnzie wrote:

tybird wrote:

It happened in Korea prior to its division, it happened in China, it happened in Russia (pre-Soviet Union), it happened in the Philippines, it happened in Afghanistan more than once, it happened in Chechnya, it happened in the former Yugoslavia, it happened on Guadalcanal....to paint war atrocities on only two nations is very near-sighted and small-minded....whether it's sticks and stones, spears and arrows or gun and bombs this type of behavior has and will always occur during warfare.

Out of the list of wars you mention, how many of them were wars of occupation by a foreign army?

Only Yugoslavia and Pre-Soviet Russia would not meet your criteria.

I am not defending indefensible behavior, but the idea that such behavior is an "American" trait or an "American" problem is absolutely insane. It is a human problem.

polaris_x

cincybearcat wrote:

Polaris, you said it happens "all the time".

What do you mean by all the time? Just that it happens in limited situations in all wars, or that it is happening daily?

And to fuck, you have statistics from that book?

all the time just meant that it's not an isolated incident like many want to believe ... did you follow the wikileaks story? ... it showed countless cases of torture and abuse that went unpunished ...

forget about asking for stats - just think about it critically for a minute ... you think that the one incident of desecration just happened to be caught on video just like that one incident of prisoner abuse at abu ghraib just happened to have pictures?? ... odds are that this stuff is rampant and those are just two incidents that happened to get leaked by whatever reason ... and by rampant i mean that it happens at a level that i'm sure most solidiers have seen things or something similar to this ...

all this shit because of greed ... this is where americans need to ask themselves whether this is what you want your country to be about ... sending kids to kill and occupy other countries all in the name of greed ...

polaris_x

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11612731

read all these incidents ... nothing done about it ... it's only when it gets released to the public is anything truly done ... this is the culture there ...

pandora

saw this on the morning news ... first cup of coffee

I guess it was done as sign of great disrespect to the dead

in turn it brought the same reaction to the living...

a great loss of respect for these our fighting boys....
is what I felt.

cincybearcat

polaris_x wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

Polaris, you said it happens "all the time".

What do you mean by all the time? Just that it happens in limited situations in all wars, or that it is happening daily?

And to fuck, you have statistics from that book?

all the time just meant that it's not an isolated incident like many want to believe ... did you follow the wikileaks story? ... it showed countless cases of torture and abuse that went unpunished ...

forget about asking for stats - just think about it critically for a minute ... you think that the one incident of desecration just happened to be caught on video just like that one incident of prisoner abuse at abu ghraib just happened to have pictures?? ... odds are that this stuff is rampant and those are just two incidents that happened to get leaked by whatever reason ... and by rampant i mean that it happens at a level that i'm sure most solidiers have seen things or something similar to this ...

all this shit because of greed ... this is where americans need to ask themselves whether this is what you want your country to be about ... sending kids to kill and occupy other countries all in the name of greed ...

I'm sure it happens more than once. I disagree completely with your belief that "odds are that this stuff is rampant". I think that is a pretty statement you are making about soldiers...prejudice in fact. And I think if it was a different group even you'd see that.

Once is more than it should happen regardless.

polaris_x

cincybearcat wrote:

I'm sure it happens more than once. I disagree completely with your belief that "odds are that this stuff is rampant". I think that is a pretty statement you are making about soldiers...prejudice in fact. And I think if it was a different group even you'd see that.

Once is more than it should happen regardless.

hahaha ... ok ... i give up ... i tried ...

cincybearcat

polaris_x wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

I'm sure it happens more than once. I disagree completely with your belief that "odds are that this stuff is rampant". I think that is a pretty statement you are making about soldiers...prejudice in fact. And I think if it was a different group even you'd see that.

Once is more than it should happen regardless.

hahaha ... ok ... i give up ... i tried ...

hahaha... I know what you are thinking, but it has nothing to do with American soldiers... I'm assuming you think it happens with all soldiers.

If I'm wrong let me know and let me know what you mean by your non-reply reply.

If I'm not wrong, then please stop reading what you think I'm writing and just read the words I type.

And I meant to have the word "bad" after pretty...I had shitty, went to replace it and messed up. Go figure.

polaris_x

cincybearcat wrote:

hahaha... I know what you are thinking, but it has nothing to do with American soldiers... I'm assuming you think it happens with all soldiers.

If I'm wrong let me know and let me know what you mean by your non-reply reply.

If I'm not wrong, then please stop reading what you think I'm writing and just read the words I type.

And I meant to have the word "bad" after pretty...I had shitty, went to replace it and messed up. Go figure.

my non-reply reply is basically an indication of my frustration in trying to discuss this with you ...

1. i've pointed out all the incidents reported in which nothing has happened which is a) an indication that these incidents happen a lot and b) nothing is done about it

2. i knew you would pick up on the word rampant and so in the very next sentence i define it for you but like clockwork you focus on that and your entire response is based on that one statement ...

3. and lastly ... by calling my statement prejudiced - you are yet again invoking a projection of me ... which, like i've said, i completely understand ... you are not the only who thinks this ... and i'm done trying to convince people otherwise ...

JonnyPistachio

Absolutely sickening.
I just saw the video of the US Marines pissing on dead bodies in Afghanistan. We have some real idiots representing us, just helping to anger our enemy even more.

I know, or I feel, this is a small percentage of the people doing this. But I mean, how stupid do you have to be? I think this kind of thing is going to really shake the beehive. Idiotic acts like this and the stuff in the photos from guantanamo or abu Ghraib need to have harsher penalties. Put these guy who cant keep their dicks in their pants in prison for awhile.

cincybearcat

polaris_x wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

hahaha... I know what you are thinking, but it has nothing to do with American soldiers... I'm assuming you think it happens with all soldiers.

If I'm wrong let me know and let me know what you mean by your non-reply reply.

If I'm not wrong, then please stop reading what you think I'm writing and just read the words I type.

And I meant to have the word "bad" after pretty...I had shitty, went to replace it and messed up. Go figure.

my non-reply reply is basically an indication of my frustration in trying to discuss this with you ...

1. i've pointed out all the incidents reported in which nothing has happened which is a) an indication that these incidents happen a lot and b) nothing is done about it

2. i knew you would pick up on the word rampant and so in the very next sentence i define it for you but like clockwork you focus on that and your entire response is based on that one statement ...

3. and lastly ... by calling my statement prejudiced - you are yet again invoking a projection of me ... which, like i've said, i completely understand ... you are not the only who thinks this ... and i'm done trying to convince people otherwise ...

Damn it, I had an entire reply typed out and lost it. Don't have the energy now.

Again, you think I'm invoking something and I am not. I'm dealing with what you said in this thread. I'm trying to take your earlier criticism to heart and pull back on the reigns. Feedback is useful when you choose to use it.

cincybearcat

JonnyPistachio wrote:

I know, or I feel, this is a small percentage of the people doing this. But I mean, how stupid do you have to be?

Agree. And I don't really want people that make those kinds of decisions carrying weapons and being the face of America to the world.

There are bad people everywhere. I do think you are correct, the punishment should be extremely severe in order to deter.

gimmesometruth27

hearts and minds boys and girls,...

it's all about winning hearts and minds....

fuck

cincybearcat wrote:

Polaris, you said it happens "all the time".

What do you mean by all the time? Just that it happens in limited situations in all wars, or that it is happening daily?

And to fuck, you have statistics from that book?

If you don't have the time to bother reading that book, that's fine. We all can't read everything. But don't argue that it's a stretch to say that this type of behavior happens all the time and that it's something inherent in the American army. That book makes a strong case, through interviewing several veterans in different bases and troops in Iraq, that it is. Some research should be done before you make an argument, wouldn't you agree?

Byrnzie

tybird wrote:

I am not defending indefensible behavior, but the idea that such behavior is an "American" trait or an "American" problem is absolutely insane. It is a human problem.

I didn't say it was an American problem. Still, what wars of occupation are you referring to with regards China and Korea? Are you talking about China's occupation of Tibet? How about Korea? Do you think the U.S occupied Korea?

Smellyman

if it was peeing on American soldiers the outrage would be insane.


and revenge would be taken