US Marines urinating on dead bodies in Afghanistan

Dirtie_Frank

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

why am i not surprised?

war fucks people up.

makes them do stupid things.

i reckon when you see dead bodies everyday you kinda get desensitized to it and you have to joke around in the heavy moments.

those guys are in hell over there. they just got out of a firefight so i doubt that with the adrenaline dump they were thinking very clearly.

still, they killed the guys. i guess it was not enough so they had to piss on them as well...

i hate war.

I read this the other day and agree. I do not defend their actions and these Marines should be properly punished. I just think that when you are in crazy place you have the chance to go crazy.

Dirtie_Frank

Smellyman wrote:

if it was peeing on American soldiers the outrage would be insane.


and revenge would be taken

This did happen to Americans when in Mogadishu, they dragged the SF soldier through the town naked. Also when the contractors, I believe Black Water, were torched dismembered and hung in Iraq.

tybird

Byrnzie wrote:

tybird wrote:

I am not defending indefensible behavior, but the idea that such behavior is an "American" trait or an "American" problem is absolutely insane. It is a human problem.

I didn't say it was an American problem. Still, what wars of occupation are you referring to with regards China and Korea? Are you talking about China's occupation of Tibet? How about Korea? Do you think the U.S occupied Korea?

Japan occupied both China and Korea with many well-documented examples of bad behavior.

Lots of US troops have been and are still in part of Korea...if it was/is an occupation, don't think that it is a text-book occupation....nowhere near the degree or length of the US occupation of Germany or Japan....or Iraq....or Afghanistan....or that of China's annexation (fancy word for occupation) of Tibet.

Byrnzie

tybird wrote:

Japan occupied both China and Korea with many well-documented examples of bad behavior.

True. And the German occupation of Europe and the Soviet Union also wasn't pretty.

Wars of occupation have the habit of turning the occupiers into barbarians.

RFTC

Smellyman wrote:

if it was peeing on American soldiers the outrage would be insane.


and revenge would be taken

agreed, war is hell-out.

zarocat

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Put these guy who cant keep their dicks in their pants in prison for awhile.

I don't believe prison is the answer. Prison, like these guys pissing on dead bodies, is just a symptom of the overall system/ideology of this social experiment people call America. It's not even their fault they pissed on these guys. They haven't desensitized themselves. It's a 'gift'.

But let's say for arguments sake, prison was the answer. Now I don't know for sure but a military prison must still have it's chain of command like an american prison, throughout the prisoners, correct?

Anyway, I don't think in any situation where an individual has lost touch with his sense of decency (which would imply he had some at one point), should he then be put into a confined space. He needs someone to talk too. If you think about it, to these guys, pissing on these bodies was cool to do. Think about that if it is in fact true. i.e. Quote from clip: 'Have a good day buddy' after they finish.
Imagine the road to getting to this point though it may be totally clueless for them.

Fuck, I don't know...

JonnyPistachio

My idea for punishment of the atrocious acts wasn't to just punish the idiots who did this, but to attempt to prevent more brainless dipshits from making the same mistake in the future.. By making them realize that the are repercussions for stupidity. You cant get away with this shit just because you are in a warzone

zarocat

JonnyPistachio wrote:

My idea for punishment of the atrocious acts wasn't to just punish the idiots who did this, but to attempt to prevent more brainless dipshits from making the same mistake in the future.. By making them realize that the are repercussions for stupidity. You cant get away with this shit just because you are in a warzone

I don't believe they're taught not to be stupid. The tactic of 'you'll go to prison' doesn't prevent anything.

What is it John Lennon said ? Something along the lines of 'we practice violence in the open, and love in hiding'

"It doesn't matter what's right. It's only wrong if you get caught" - MJK

JonnyPistachio

So, should there be a punishment?
It's obviously not working under the current system.. What do you suggest?

zarocat

JonnyPistachio wrote:

So, should there be a punishment?
It's obviously not working under the current system.. What do you suggest?

See, that's the thing Johnny. What you speak of is the best we've got. That's so f%%ked up!
For current system to change, the current system needs to implode. :shock:

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Here's my opinion:

Severe hatred is generated between two fighting factions. The hatred and rage that exists leads people to express that rage in awful manner. While I obviously don't condone the act, I feel badly for all involved- the Afghanistan people and the Marines are in a brutal situation that I couldn't imagine. I cannot judge their actions because it is too easy for me to do so as I type on my laptop with my morning coffee and weekend off.

I'll also say this: it seems as if people want to hold Americans to the highest standards. The atrocities committed in War are universal. When American soldiers were mutilated in Somalia or Blackwater personnel were desecrated in Fallujah, people generally weren't surprised. It was as if they thought the enemy were inferior human beings and simply incapable of human behaviour adhering to a higher ethical code. When Americans conduct themselves in similar fashion, the world we hear from is shocked at the behaviour- somehow expecting more from what? A higher level human being? Pompous to say the least.

War promotes violence, hatred, and rage- it's not a board game with universal rules that everyone will follow. For example, sometimes people express how brutal the Chechnyan siege of the Beslan school was. While I abhorred the depressing incident, I wondered how the Chechnyans- overwhelmed by a superior Russian enemy- were supposed to fight a war that had them fighting with rubber bands, in sewer tunnels, while ducking missiles ("Come on now. Everyone in plain sight. It's not our fault you have weak air power and shitty missiles!").

War sucks.

WaveCameCrashin

Who gives a fuck.. Fuck those terrorist.. They would cut every single persons head off in this forum and not even give a fuck or think twice about doing it. Its amazing how people on here care more about the feelings of people who would kill them and their families than people who are defending us.. With that being said.. Should they have done it ? No they shouldnt have..

EmBleve

WaveCameCrashin wrote:

Who gives a fuck.. Fuck those terrorist.. They would cut every single persons head off in this forum and not even give a fuck or think twice about doing it. Its amazing how people on here care more about the feelings of people who would kill them and their families than people who are defending us.. With that being said.. Should they have done it ? No they shouldnt have..

I haven't read through this thread, but I was involved in a conversation about this last night and 2 of the people had the reaction of "aw, yeah, that was sooo terrible, shame on them"--dripping with sarcasm. No, I agree they shouldn't have done it...it was just interesting, and somewhat surprising, to hear people saying that; they were definitely condoning it.

tybird

Byrnzie wrote:

tybird wrote:

Japan occupied both China and Korea with many well-documented examples of bad behavior.

True. And the German occupation of Europe and the Soviet Union also wasn't pretty.

Wars of occupation have the habit of turning the occupiers into barbarians.

...and the occupied sometimes lose the moral high-ground through their reaction to the occupation, but then, who can really blame them.

Byrnzie

WaveCameCrashin wrote:

Who gives a fuck.. Fuck those terrorist.. They would cut every single persons head off in this forum and not even give a fuck or think twice about doing it. Its amazing how people on here care more about the feelings of people who would kill them and their families than people who are defending us.. With that being said.. Should they have done it ? No they shouldnt have..

How do you know they were terrorists? Because they were Afghans?

How do you justify all the random killings of innocent civilians for sport by U.S soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq?

Byrnzie

tybird wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

tybird wrote:

Japan occupied both China and Korea with many well-documented examples of bad behavior.

True. And the German occupation of Europe and the Soviet Union also wasn't pretty.

Wars of occupation have the habit of turning the occupiers into barbarians.

...and the occupied sometimes lose the moral high-ground through their reaction to the occupation, but then, who can really blame them.

The occupied will always have the moral high-ground for anyone who looks at the situation objectively.

Anyone here seen the movie 'The Battle of Algiers'? It's one of the greatest movies ever made. Features in the top rankings of most 'Best of' polls. It was studied by terrorism 'experts' in the U.S after 9/11 as they wanted to try to understand what inspires 'terrorism'. If you watch the Criterion edition of the movie it includes a few documentary's on the film, including one about these American 'experts' watching it and discussing it. This particular documentary is eye-opening, as it shows just how blinkered and self-serving these U.S experts are. They completely miss the point.


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JonnyPistachio

WaveCameCrashin wrote:

Its amazing how people on here care more about the feelings of people who would kill them and their families than people who are defending us.. With that being said.. Should they have done it ? No they shouldnt have..

Those are some ridiculous assumptions about us. I care more about our soldiers than our enemies, of course, but i loathe stupidity and the backlash their stupidity will certianly cause...again, this will only shake the beehive. It's not about anyones feelings for god sake.

Byrnzie

WaveCameCrashin wrote:

Its amazing how people on here care more about the feelings of people who would kill them and their families than people who are defending us..

'Defending us'? Defending us from what? These were Afghans. No Afghan ever attacked America, and neither did any Iraqi.

g under p

WaveCameCrashin wrote:

Who gives a fuck.. Fuck those terrorist.. They would cut every single persons head off in this forum and not even give a fuck or think twice about doing it. Its amazing how people on here care more about the feelings of people who would kill them and their families than people who are defending us.. With that being said.. Should they have done it ? No they shouldnt have..

War is hell no doubt but American soldiers seem to abuse even their own fellow soldiers....NOW that's some messed up shit. I'm sure our US soldiers do far worse than peeing on the dead Taliban. FAR WORSE!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/1 ... d%3D127742

Peace

Byrnzie

Scumbag:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/ja ... stan-video

Condemnation of Afghanistan video over the top, says Rick Perry

guardian.co.uk, Sunday 15 January

The Republican presidential hopeful Rick Perry has accused the Obama administration of "over-the-top rhetoric" and "disdain for the military" with its condemnation of a video that purportedly shows four US marines urinating on corpses in Afghanistan.

Perry's comments also put him at odds with Senator John McCain, the top Republican on the Senate armed services committee.

Perry said the marines involved should be reprimanded but not prosecuted on criminal charges.

The Texas governor said on CNN's State of the Union programme: "Obviously, 18 and 19-year-old kids make stupid mistakes all too often. And that's what's occurred here.

"What's really disturbing to me is the kind of over-the-top rhetoric from this administration and their disdain for the military."

McCain, who expressed concern that the images could damage the war effort, had said: "The Marine Corps prides itself that we don't lower ourselves to the level of the enemy. So it makes me sad more than anything else, because … I can't tell you how wonderful these people [marines] are. And it hurts their reputation and their image."