We should take into consideration how people follow what another does
in group situations also
few stand up for what they believe and say hell no... I'm not doing that! ...
instead they will follow the one or few doing something they know is morally wrong
kind of like the bullies and their backers
That is what's even more amazing in this instance...Was there a discussion about pissing on the bodies, or did one guy whip out his tallywhacker and the others followed like sheep? I can just picture them laughing like Beavis and Butthead. So sad some people can't think for a second.
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We should take into consideration how people follow what another does
in group situations also
few stand up for what they believe and say hell no... I'm not doing that! ...
instead they will follow the one or few doing something they know is morally wrong
kind of like the bullies and their backers
That is what's even more amazing in this instance...Was there a discussion about pissing on the bodies, or did one guy whip out his tallywhacker and the others followed like sheep? I can just picture them laughing like Beavis and Butthead. So sad some people can't think for a second.
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The four soldiers should be severely reprimanded, without question.
On a side note, I noticed that many who campaign on this website against stereotyping are fine with letting the actions of four people paint an overall picture of the US military ... oh, and by the way, welcome to the club.
Nobody's saying that every Marine is a twisted murderer, but on the other hand, do you think that these Marines pissing on dead bodies is the only thing the U.S military can be criticized for in Afghanistan and Iraq?
Have you not watched the Winter Soldier testimonies by veterans of these wars of occupation? Atrocities against Iraqi and Afghan civilians are routine. They are not exceptions.
I think it's very easy to look at this episode and condemn these men. It was a stupid horrific act. But it's also very easy for people to criticize from the outside- meaning, these guys face death every day and that messes with the head. Whether the war is just or illegal makes no difference. These men are in that situation as we on this board are not. Again, I am not condoning what they did but clearly they have been mentally screwed up in some ways dealing with the stress of a wartime soldier. Maybe they are all scumbags. That may be true. Or maybe they are your buddy from high school that was a nice guy until violence altered his perception of what was right and wrong.
have them in full dress uniform stand before their Battalion, each personally apologize to God,
:roll:
Somehow i don't think "God's" very concerned with what's happening in the Middle East. Perhaps the question they should be asking their God is why are they still there?
have them in full dress uniform stand before their Battalion, each personally apologize to God,
:roll:
Somehow i don't think "God's" very concerned with what's happening in the Middle East. Perhaps the question they should be asking their God is why are they still there?
not sure God has a position for or against peeing on dead bodies.... unless of course its some sort of weird sexual practice.
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i reckon when you see dead bodies everyday you kinda get desensitized to it and you have to joke around in the heavy moments.
those guys are in hell over there. they just got out of a firefight so i doubt that with the adrenaline dump they were thinking very clearly.
still, they killed the guys. i guess it was not enough so they had to piss on them as well...
i hate war.
best response I've read on this topic.
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For once, I agree with Gimme.
War is hell. I don't care if they did piss on them. Politicians send young people, no different than you or me, to kill with their bare hands, and then judge the way they killed.
Like to see Hillary and Barack in the foxhole with the bullets flyin, see what their candy-asses are made of when they ain't sleepin at the Crown Plaza...
have them in full dress uniform stand before their Battalion, each personally apologize to God,
:roll:
Somehow i don't think "God's" very concerned with what's happening in the Middle East. Perhaps the question they should be asking their God is why are they still there?
God. Country. Corps.
In that order. It's a Marine thing.
Allen West is right: "If you have not been shot at by the Taliban, then shut the hell up."
War is hell. I don't care if they did piss on them. Politicians send young people, no different than you or me, to kill with their bare hands, and then judge the way they killed.
Like to see Hillary and Barack in the foxhole with the bullets flyin, see what their candy-asses are made of when they ain't sleepin at the Crown Plaza...
I say lets start pissing on the politicians.
i am not sure what you are agreeing with me on. i did not condemn or criticize the WAY they killed. i just said war fucks people up and makes them do stupid things like urinate on the people they just killed. i have at length criticized WHY they are even there in the first place. the fact is, golden showers with a consenting adult aside, it takes an incredibly sick person to urinate on another person living or dead.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
War is hell. I don't care if they did piss on them. Politicians send young people, no different than you or me, to kill with their bare hands, and then judge the way they killed.
Like to see Hillary and Barack in the foxhole with the bullets flyin, see what their candy-asses are made of when they ain't sleepin at the Crown Plaza...
I say lets start pissing on the politicians.
i am not sure what you are agreeing with me on. i did not condemn or criticize the WAY they killed. i just said war fucks people up and makes them do stupid things like urinate on the people they just killed. i have at length criticized WHY they are even there in the first place. the fact is, golden showers with a consenting adult aside, it takes an incredibly sick person to urinate on another person living or dead.
Okaaaaaay....
Didn't mean to get you all upset by agreeing with your statement!
For the record everyone- I think "war is hell" and Gimme thinks "war fucks people up".
War is hell. I don't care if they did piss on them.
You don't think they should conduct themselves in an appropriate way, as representatives of your country? (assuming you are from the USA)
Do you not think that this causes a backlash and possibly unnecessary violence towards the USA?
And if you don't care if they did piss on them, would you care if every soldier over there pissed on or desecrated their enemies bodies?
I see your point. I was speaking off the cuff. I DO care that they conduct themselves according to the codes of conduct set forth in the UCMJ. They CLEARLY violated that. They should be punished accordingly.
I do not think it "causes" backlash- the backlash is already there. It does probably make it worse, and will be used as propaganda against us. Making the troops' jobs even harder. So these Marines didn't do their brothers any favors.
Personally, I don't care if every terrorist our troops remove from the planet get a little goldenshower after- I know that sounds harsh- but I really don't care. Don't film it. I can't judge these guys- they are getting shot at, injured, killed, watching their friends get killed. No one knows the strains of war like the soldier.
Personally, I don't care if every terrorist our troops remove from the planet get a little goldenshower after- I know that sounds harsh- but I really don't care.
How do you know those people were terrorists? Because they were Afghans?
FOUND ON A MARINE MESSAGE BOARD:
Piss on a Crucifix, and they'll call you an "Artist"
Piss on The American Flag, and they'll call you a "Freedom of Speech Constitutionalist"
Piss on a Police Car, and they'll call you an Occupy Wall Street "Freedom Lovin' 99 percenter"
Piss on a Taliban piece of shit who just tried to kill you and your fellow Marines, and they'll call you a "Villain"
Sure is a Fucked-up administration we have running this great country-
FOUND ON A MARINE MESSAGE BOARD:
Piss on a Crucifix, and they'll call you an "Artist"
Piss on The American Flag, and they'll call you a "Freedom of Speech Constitutionalist"
Piss on a Police Car, and they'll call you an Occupy Wall Street "Freedom Lovin' 99 percenter"
Piss on a Taliban piece of shit who just tried to kill you and your fellow Marines, and they'll call you a "Villain"
Sure is a Fucked-up administration we have running this great country-
except for the fact if you did do all the above - they would actually label you classless and disrespectful ... which is what those marines were ...
Pee on a Crucifix, you're an "Artist"
Pee on The American Flag, you're a "Constitutionalist"
Pee on a Police Car, you're a "Freedom Lovin' 99 percenter"
Pee on a Taliban piece of shit that just tried to kill you and your fellow Marines, you're a "Villain."
Sure is a messed-up sense of values they have in Washington....just say'n.
FOUND ON A MARINE MESSAGE BOARD:
Piss on a Crucifix, and they'll call you an "Artist"
Piss on The American Flag, and they'll call you a "Freedom of Speech Constitutionalist"
Piss on a Police Car, and they'll call you an Occupy Wall Street "Freedom Lovin' 99 percenter"
Piss on a Taliban piece of shit who just tried to kill you and your fellow Marines, and they'll call you a "Villain"
Sure is a Fucked-up administration we have running this great country-
Personally, I don't care if every terrorist our troops remove from the planet get a little goldenshower after- I know that sounds harsh- but I really don't care.
How do you know those people were terrorists? Because they were Afghans?
FOUND ON A MARINE MESSAGE BOARD:
Piss on a Crucifix, and they'll call you an "Artist"
Piss on The American Flag, and they'll call you a "Freedom of Speech Constitutionalist"
Piss on a Police Car, and they'll call you an Occupy Wall Street "Freedom Lovin' 99 percenter"
Piss on a Taliban piece of shit who just tried to kill you and your fellow Marines, and they'll call you a "Villain"
Sure is a Fucked-up administration we have running this great country-
the reaction to this outrage is from the PEOPLE of the united states. not the "fucked up administration"...
the administration, and the one before it, allowed this to happen.
it is amazing how people do not get that, and point fingers at the president for the actions of a few dipshits...
it is obama's fault that they are still there, but it is NOT the president's fault that people are outraged by this...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
FOUND ON A MARINE MESSAGE BOARD:
Piss on a Crucifix, and they'll call you an "Artist"
Piss on The American Flag, and they'll call you a "Freedom of Speech Constitutionalist"
Piss on a Police Car, and they'll call you an Occupy Wall Street "Freedom Lovin' 99 percenter"
Piss on a Taliban piece of shit who just tried to kill you and your fellow Marines, and they'll call you a "Villain"
Sure is a Fucked-up administration we have running this great country-
the reaction to this outrage is from the PEOPLE of the united states. not the "fucked up administration"...
the administration, and the one before it, allowed this to happen.
it is amazing how people do not get that, and point fingers at the president for the actions of a few dipshits...
it is obama's fault that they are still there, but it is NOT the president's fault that people are outraged by this...
At the risk of being outspoken (and speaking from the outside looking in)... why is it Obama's fault they are still there? I find the lack of patience for Obama on this board slightly disturbing. He's essentially the relief pitcher coming in with the bases loaded and the heart of the order stepping to the plate with nobody out.
Slightly coy in another thread, I'll be a little more bold and suggest that this brutal mess is Bush and his supporters'. What exactly do you want from Obama? Immediate withdrawl (abandon the people you 'have liberated' and leave them to the mercy of the active insurgents set to re-assume positions of power and re-establish 'order')? The guy has been placed in a no-win situation by his predecessor.
From the outset, this military plan was never a good one. No exit strategy. No timelines. No measurable objectives. And the following question begs a response: from all accounts I have heard, weren't 15 of 19 terrorists on 9-11 Saudi Arabians... are we sure GW had your military in the right countries as he focussed military might first on Afghanistan and subsequently Iraq?
Not trying to sound like M. Moore, but I can understand the problem with that GW might have had given his longstanding family ties to Saudi Royalty. Was this guy acting on behalf of the people, or was he placating ther public and simply spilling blood in the name of vengance?
I don't care how incompetent some people are suggesting Obama is. The problems he is trying to deal with are immensely profound and there is no easy, instant solution ("Oh shoot. We should just do this!"). For the time being, Obama couldn't make a decision that puts him anywhere near the class of the 'last guy'!
Sorry if I have offended anyone, but this prevalent attitude towards Obama really has me confused.
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Blackwater aside he was spot on with the soldiers getting dragged in Mogadishu. I do not remember as much uproar. The Marines should be punished and move on.
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Blackwater aside he was spot on with the soldiers getting dragged in Mogadishu. I do not remember as much uproar. The Marines should be punished and move on.
This was the same day the U.S army had opened fire on a peaceful demonstration killings dozens of people. Funny how what happened later that same day eclipses this earlier crime in most people's minds.
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Nobody's saying that every Marine is a twisted murderer, but on the other hand, do you think that these Marines pissing on dead bodies is the only thing the U.S military can be criticized for in Afghanistan and Iraq?
Have you not watched the Winter Soldier testimonies by veterans of these wars of occupation? Atrocities against Iraqi and Afghan civilians are routine. They are not exceptions.
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have them in full dress uniform stand before their Battalion, each personally apologize to God,
:roll:
Somehow i don't think "God's" very concerned with what's happening in the Middle East. Perhaps the question they should be asking their God is why are they still there?
not sure God has a position for or against peeing on dead bodies.... unless of course its some sort of weird sexual practice.
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For once, I agree with Gimme.
War is hell. I don't care if they did piss on them. Politicians send young people, no different than you or me, to kill with their bare hands, and then judge the way they killed.
Like to see Hillary and Barack in the foxhole with the bullets flyin, see what their candy-asses are made of when they ain't sleepin at the Crown Plaza...
I say lets start pissing on the politicians.
God. Country. Corps.
In that order. It's a Marine thing.
Allen West is right: "If you have not been shot at by the Taliban, then shut the hell up."
Taliban Gov't hosted training camps for Al Qaeda, who trained the 9/11 hijackers.
Pretty clear cut to me... Hows the sand taste?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
But whatever, I hardly care to debate the Taliban's role in 9/11 more than a decade later...
It's world history now. Deny it if you like....
Didn't mean to get you all upset by agreeing with your statement!
For the record everyone- I think "war is hell" and Gimme thinks "war fucks people up".
NOT THE SAME THING. apparently.
You don't think they should conduct themselves in an appropriate way, as representatives of your country? (assuming you are from the USA)
Do you not think that this causes a backlash and possibly unnecessary violence towards the USA?
And if you don't care if they did piss on them, would you care if every soldier over there pissed on or desecrated their enemies bodies?
I see your point. I was speaking off the cuff. I DO care that they conduct themselves according to the codes of conduct set forth in the UCMJ. They CLEARLY violated that. They should be punished accordingly.
I do not think it "causes" backlash- the backlash is already there. It does probably make it worse, and will be used as propaganda against us. Making the troops' jobs even harder. So these Marines didn't do their brothers any favors.
Personally, I don't care if every terrorist our troops remove from the planet get a little goldenshower after- I know that sounds harsh- but I really don't care. Don't film it. I can't judge these guys- they are getting shot at, injured, killed, watching their friends get killed. No one knows the strains of war like the soldier.
Jst my opinion.
So the next time you criticize Congress or the President, we can ask you when you served in congress or as POTUS? If you haven't then you can't judge?
Yes, your argument is that stupid.
And they offered to hand them over to the U.S once the U.S authorities had provided evidence of their guilt. The U.S refused.
Maybe the Cubans should carpet bomb Miami seeing as how the U.S harbours known Cuban terrorists? I'm sure you'd have no problem with that, right?
How do you know those people were terrorists? Because they were Afghans?
Piss on a Crucifix, and they'll call you an "Artist"
Piss on The American Flag, and they'll call you a "Freedom of Speech Constitutionalist"
Piss on a Police Car, and they'll call you an Occupy Wall Street "Freedom Lovin' 99 percenter"
Piss on a Taliban piece of shit who just tried to kill you and your fellow Marines, and they'll call you a "Villain"
Sure is a Fucked-up administration we have running this great country-
except for the fact if you did do all the above - they would actually label you classless and disrespectful ... which is what those marines were ...
Pee on The American Flag, you're a "Constitutionalist"
Pee on a Police Car, you're a "Freedom Lovin' 99 percenter"
Pee on a Taliban piece of shit that just tried to kill you and your fellow Marines, you're a "Villain."
Sure is a messed-up sense of values they have in Washington....just say'n.
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Because the Marines say so.
the administration, and the one before it, allowed this to happen.
it is amazing how people do not get that, and point fingers at the president for the actions of a few dipshits...
it is obama's fault that they are still there, but it is NOT the president's fault that people are outraged by this...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
At the risk of being outspoken (and speaking from the outside looking in)... why is it Obama's fault they are still there? I find the lack of patience for Obama on this board slightly disturbing. He's essentially the relief pitcher coming in with the bases loaded and the heart of the order stepping to the plate with nobody out.
Slightly coy in another thread, I'll be a little more bold and suggest that this brutal mess is Bush and his supporters'. What exactly do you want from Obama? Immediate withdrawl (abandon the people you 'have liberated' and leave them to the mercy of the active insurgents set to re-assume positions of power and re-establish 'order')? The guy has been placed in a no-win situation by his predecessor.
From the outset, this military plan was never a good one. No exit strategy. No timelines. No measurable objectives. And the following question begs a response: from all accounts I have heard, weren't 15 of 19 terrorists on 9-11 Saudi Arabians... are we sure GW had your military in the right countries as he focussed military might first on Afghanistan and subsequently Iraq?
Not trying to sound like M. Moore, but I can understand the problem with that GW might have had given his longstanding family ties to Saudi Royalty. Was this guy acting on behalf of the people, or was he placating ther public and simply spilling blood in the name of vengance?
I don't care how incompetent some people are suggesting Obama is. The problems he is trying to deal with are immensely profound and there is no easy, instant solution ("Oh shoot. We should just do this!"). For the time being, Obama couldn't make a decision that puts him anywhere near the class of the 'last guy'!
Sorry if I have offended anyone, but this prevalent attitude towards Obama really has me confused.
What a backwards reality Allen West is a part of.
Blackwater...fuck Blackwater and fuck Allen West
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Blackwater aside he was spot on with the soldiers getting dragged in Mogadishu. I do not remember as much uproar. The Marines should be punished and move on.
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This was the same day the U.S army had opened fire on a peaceful demonstration killings dozens of people. Funny how what happened later that same day eclipses this earlier crime in most people's minds.