the barry vote is going to be interesting....dude was a HOF even without the cream
Thank you.
he's doomed tho.....besides the 'roids, he pissed off most of the guys who vote.
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It's been said 10000x but unless you're gonna kick Ty Cobb, Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, Mike Schmidt, etc, etc, etc out of the HoF you without a doubt can't disqualify Bonds or Clemens and should probably give Mcgwire the nod.
i thought Larkin was borderline. kind of surprised he made it. I think if Barry Larkin is a Hall-of-Famer then Jimmy Rollins should be right there.
and Jack Morris should have made it. that guy was a top pitcher for a while and a big game pitcher. don't care about the numbers.
I don't get the hate on Larkin, he was one of the first shortstops that could hit, as someone else said. Prior to him, shortstops were of the Ozzie offensive numbers, after they are of the Jeter/Nomar/Arod.
Hilarious about Rollins. Larkin played for 19 seasons and had better numbers in his last year than Rollins has had in 3 years or so, granted Larkin has a few down years before that, but the point stands, you can't even compare the two.
CSN Philly does the comparison today. If he stays healthty Rollins will end up with better numbers in almost every category than Larkin except batting average. see below.
Could be....tough to keep it going for that many years. Also, Rollins seems to have injury concerns. If he plays 7-8 more years and keeps being productive he could be in the discussion.
I think the first guy to admit using PEDs to get in the Hall will be A-Rod. Bonds would have been a Hall of Famer without the PEDs but he won't get in because too many voters will look at voting for him as giving his HR records legitimacy since he may have hit 500 HRs clean but never would have touched 73 in a season or 700+ in his career. There's also the problem of Bonds refusing to admit having used steroids even though there is a ton of evidence showing that he did thanks to his trial. It may seem dumb to some people, but public perception of Pettitte, Giambi, and A-Rod was much better than it was for McGwire, Clemens, Bonds, Sosa, and Palmeiro because one group admitted to what they did and the other group refused to admit it despite failed tests or other evidence that they used the stuff. The deciding factor for A-Rod will be how many voters believe that he only used PEDs when he got to Texas and stopped in 2003 after the anonymous testing took place. If a voter thinks that the 3 seasons (or 2 depending on when he supposedly stopped in 2003) are the only seasons he used and he did everything else clean (his entire Seattle and NY careers with 2 clean MVPs and 2 clean HR crowns), then he might get in unless enough voters think that any use at all is enough to disqualify a player from consideration.
I'm a huge Bernie Williams fan but I think he's just a little short of being in the Hall of Fame. He had a great 8-year run but he dropped off too much after 2002.
i thought Larkin was borderline. kind of surprised he made it. I think if Barry Larkin is a Hall-of-Famer then Jimmy Rollins should be right there.
and Jack Morris should have made it. that guy was a top pitcher for a while and a big game pitcher. don't care about the numbers.
I don't get the hate on Larkin, he was one of the first shortstops that could hit, as someone else said. Prior to him, shortstops were of the Ozzie offensive numbers, after they are of the Jeter/Nomar/Arod.
Hilarious about Rollins. Larkin played for 19 seasons and had better numbers in his last year than Rollins has had in 3 years or so, granted Larkin has a few down years before that, but the point stands, you can't even compare the two.
CSN Philly does the comparison today. If he stays healthty Rollins will end up with better numbers in almost every category than Larkin except batting average. see below.
Cherrypicked stats. Just look at the batting line, it is not even comparable. Dude was a much better hitter with less power and speed. Rollins is on a 3-4 year decline, like I said. Larkin played 19 seasons and his last season in the big leagues was better than any of Rollins last 3.
Grace should be in just because he introduced the world to the term "slumpbuster."
On the definition of a "slumpbuster", after being pressed by host Jim Rome in a now-infamous 2003 interview on the television show "Rome is Burning" to clarify the baseball slang term...
"A slumpbuster is when you have to take one for the team. It's finding the biggest, nastiest, fattest broad, and you put the wood to her to come out of your slump. Also known as 'jumping on a grenade for the team'."
I'm a huge Bernie Williams fan but I think he's just a little short of being in the Hall of Fame. He had a great 8-year run but he dropped off too much after 2002.
You need to honor people like Barry Larkin but you can't consider him a baseball legend. He was a great player
They should have multiple levels of the hall of fame and people should be inducted into their right group. Maybe 3 or 4 levels with the top one being names that when echoed you know you are talking about one of the greatest ever to play
I mean Babe Ruth and Barry Larkin are not even playing in the same ballpark.
I completely disagree with this. The Hall of Fame is a museum that highlights the best players in the game, and for an extended period of time, Larkin was the best shortstop in the game and some might say revolutionized the position. Who can compare to Babe Ruth, no one, he is the best player ever. If we are looking at that level, how many players are in the hall, 20? Like I said, it's a museum that highlights the best players in baseball and for a long time, Larkin was one.
Even taking away McGwire and Palmiero, you still have guyslike Frank Thomas and Fred McGriff who were both much better than Grace, plus guys like Will Clark and Don Mattingly who were better than Grace (but to a lesser extent than the other 2).
Fred Mcgriff should already be in....
Frank Thomas should be a 1st ballot....
And If Larkin is a Hall of Famer....
Will Clark
Don Mattingly
Bernie Williams
Mark Grace
Are all Hall Of Famers....
Hell...
If Barry Larkin is a Hall Of Famer....
Then Steve Garvey should have been a 1st Ballot Hall Of Famer.....
Take me piece by piece..... Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Even taking away McGwire and Palmiero, you still have guyslike Frank Thomas and Fred McGriff who were both much better than Grace, plus guys like Will Clark and Don Mattingly who were better than Grace (but to a lesser extent than the other 2).
Fred Mcgriff should already be in....
Frank Thomas should be a 1st ballot....
And If Larkin is a Hall of Famer....
Will Clark
Don Mattingly
Bernie Williams
Mark Grace
Are all Hall Of Famers....
Hell...
If Barry Larkin is a Hall Of Famer....
Then Steve Garvey should have been a 1st Ballot Hall Of Famer.....
Even taking away McGwire and Palmiero, you still have guyslike Frank Thomas and Fred McGriff who were both much better than Grace, plus guys like Will Clark and Don Mattingly who were better than Grace (but to a lesser extent than the other 2).
Fred Mcgriff should already be in....
Frank Thomas should be a 1st ballot....
And If Larkin is a Hall of Famer....
Will Clark
Don Mattingly
Bernie Williams
Mark Grace
Are all Hall Of Famers....
Hell...
If Barry Larkin is a Hall Of Famer....
Then Steve Garvey should have been a 1st Ballot Hall Of Famer.....
That sure the beats :
Mcgwire
Bonds
Clemens
I have hope that Palmeiro used towards the very end to hold on but not for the better duration of his career. just a feeling.
10 time all-star
4 time Gold Glove Winner...
6 seasons he had 200+ hits
7 seasons he hit .300 or better
Holds NL record for Consecutive games played???
Played in 5 World Series....
If Barry Larkin is a Hall Of Famer...
Why isnt Garvey????
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10 time all-star
4 time Gold Glove Winner...
6 seasons he had 200+ hits
7 seasons he hit .300 or better
Holds NL record for Consecutive games played???
Played in 5 World Series....
If Barry Larkin is an All-Star...
Why isnt Garvey????
10 time all-star
4 time Gold Glove Winner...
6 seasons he had 200+ hits
7 seasons he hit .300 or better
Holds NL record for Consecutive games played???
Played in 5 World Series....
If Barry Larkin is a Hall Of Famer...
Why isnt Garvey????
Larkin isnt a Hall Of Famer....
Take me piece by piece..... Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
10 time all-star
4 time Gold Glove Winner...
6 seasons he had 200+ hits
7 seasons he hit .300 or better
Holds NL record for Consecutive games played???
Played in 5 World Series....
If Barry Larkin is a Hall Of Famer...
Why isnt Garvey????
10 time all-star
4 time Gold Glove Winner...
6 seasons he had 200+ hits
7 seasons he hit .300 or better
Holds NL record for Consecutive games played???
Played in 5 World Series....
If Barry Larkin is a Hall Of Famer...
Why isnt Garvey????
10 time all-star
4 time Gold Glove Winner...
6 seasons he had 200+ hits
7 seasons he hit .300 or better
Holds NL record for Consecutive games played???
Played in 5 World Series....
If Barry Larkin is a Hall Of Famer...
Why isnt Garvey????
10 time all-star
4 time Gold Glove Winner...
6 seasons he had 200+ hits
7 seasons he hit .300 or better
Holds NL record for Consecutive games played???
Played in 5 World Series....
If Barry Larkin is a Hall Of Famer...
Why isnt Garvey????
same reason why gil hodges isn't in, baseball writers are idiots
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The deciding factor for A-Rod will be how many voters believe that he only used PEDs when he got to Texas and stopped in 2003 after the anonymous testing took place. If a voter thinks that the 3 seasons (or 2 depending on when he supposedly stopped in 2003) are the only seasons he used and he did everything else clean (his entire Seattle and NY careers with 2 clean MVPs and 2 clean HR crowns), then he might get in unless enough voters think that any use at all is enough to disqualify a player from consideration.
his story is so full of holes. how come his banned trainer was on the road with the yankees for the entire 2007(?) season? :x
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10 time all-star
4 time Gold Glove Winner...
6 seasons he had 200+ hits
7 seasons he hit .300 or better
Holds NL record for Consecutive games played???
Played in 5 World Series....
If Barry Larkin is a Hall Of Famer...
Why isnt Garvey????
Lulz.
Let's look at BA/OBA/SLG
Larkin: .295/.371/.444
Garvey: .294/.329/.446
So, Larkin was a much better offensive player than Garvey. Also, Larkin played a premium defensive position, and he played it incredibly well. Garvey played the least demanding position on the field. Garvey had a nice career, but he is not even close to being a Hall of Famer. Larkin's contributions in every facet of the game, as a hitter, fielder, and baserunner, make him a very worthy addition ton the HOF.
Juice or not ALbert is not a HOF'er. Didn't even reach 400 hr's as an OF/DH and most importantly was very disliked by the media as well as teammates. He has zero shot of ever making it.
Juice or not ALbert is not a HOF'er. Didn't even reach 400 hr's as an OF/DH and most importantly was very disliked by the media as well as teammates. He has zero shot of ever making it.
Nonsense...
According to the Hall Of Fame...
A player must play a minimum 10 years to qualify.....
Albert played 12...So he is ok there...
The DH is part of the game...And has been for what??? 40 years????
Over a 162 game schedule Albert Belle AVERAGED 40 HR'S and 130 RBI's.....
Lifetime batting average of .295
Show me a DH with better Numbers.....
There might be one....
But I cant think of one....
Take me piece by piece..... Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
10 time all-star
4 time Gold Glove Winner...
6 seasons he had 200+ hits
7 seasons he hit .300 or better
Holds NL record for Consecutive games played???
Played in 5 World Series....
If Barry Larkin is a Hall Of Famer...
Why isnt Garvey????
Lulz.
Let's look at BA/OBA/SLG
Larkin: .295/.371/.444
Garvey: .294/.329/.446
So, Larkin was a much better offensive player than Garvey. Also, Larkin played a premium defensive position, and he played it incredibly well. Garvey played the least demanding position on the field. Garvey had a nice career, but he is not even close to being a Hall of Famer. Larkin's contributions in every facet of the game, as a hitter, fielder, and baserunner, make him a very worthy addition ton the HOF.
HUh??
You give me 3 offensive stats??Of which 2 of the stats are basically EVEN.... BA/SLG
And you say Larkin was MUCH better offensively??? HUH????
Garvey 272 HR's
Larkin 198
Garvey 1308 RBI
Larkin 960
Who was a better LEADER as far as a teamate??
Garvey played every game for something like 8-9 years?? He SET the National League record for consecutive games played...Right???
Larkin was injured every other week and was on the DL 14 TIMES in his career......
Garvey's teams played in 5 World Series.....
Garvey's teams WON 1 World Series....Same as Larkin
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he's doomed tho.....besides the 'roids, he pissed off most of the guys who vote.
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Could be....tough to keep it going for that many years. Also, Rollins seems to have injury concerns. If he plays 7-8 more years and keeps being productive he could be in the discussion.
knee jerk reaction, no
at first, i used to say fuck the PED era- damn cheaters.
but man, do i miss those majestic 500 foot bombs...
Cherrypicked stats. Just look at the batting line, it is not even comparable. Dude was a much better hitter with less power and speed. Rollins is on a 3-4 year decline, like I said. Larkin played 19 seasons and his last season in the big leagues was better than any of Rollins last 3.
On the definition of a "slumpbuster", after being pressed by host Jim Rome in a now-infamous 2003 interview on the television show "Rome is Burning" to clarify the baseball slang term...
"A slumpbuster is when you have to take one for the team. It's finding the biggest, nastiest, fattest broad, and you put the wood to her to come out of your slump. Also known as 'jumping on a grenade for the team'."
Bernies not in. Love him, but not good enough for not long enough.
I completely disagree with this. The Hall of Fame is a museum that highlights the best players in the game, and for an extended period of time, Larkin was the best shortstop in the game and some might say revolutionized the position. Who can compare to Babe Ruth, no one, he is the best player ever. If we are looking at that level, how many players are in the hall, 20? Like I said, it's a museum that highlights the best players in baseball and for a long time, Larkin was one.
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Fred Mcgriff should already be in....
Frank Thomas should be a 1st ballot....
And If Larkin is a Hall of Famer....
Will Clark
Don Mattingly
Bernie Williams
Mark Grace
Are all Hall Of Famers....
Hell...
If Barry Larkin is a Hall Of Famer....
Then Steve Garvey should have been a 1st Ballot Hall Of Famer.....
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
um. no
That sure the beats :
Mcgwire
Bonds
Clemens
I have hope that Palmeiro used towards the very end to hold on but not for the better duration of his career. just a feeling.
10 time all-star
4 time Gold Glove Winner...
6 seasons he had 200+ hits
7 seasons he hit .300 or better
Holds NL record for Consecutive games played???
Played in 5 World Series....
If Barry Larkin is a Hall Of Famer...
Why isnt Garvey????
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
If Garvey were a shortstop he would be a HOF'er.
but garvey is! :P
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Lulz.
Let's look at BA/OBA/SLG
Larkin: .295/.371/.444
Garvey: .294/.329/.446
So, Larkin was a much better offensive player than Garvey. Also, Larkin played a premium defensive position, and he played it incredibly well. Garvey played the least demanding position on the field. Garvey had a nice career, but he is not even close to being a Hall of Famer. Larkin's contributions in every facet of the game, as a hitter, fielder, and baserunner, make him a very worthy addition ton the HOF.
Albert Belle???
Probably on the juice...
Right???
But if we WAS NOT on the juice.....
Then he is a 1st ballot Hall Of Famer.....
Look at his stats for 12 years....
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Juice or not ALbert is not a HOF'er. Didn't even reach 400 hr's as an OF/DH and most importantly was very disliked by the media as well as teammates. He has zero shot of ever making it.
According to the Hall Of Fame...
A player must play a minimum 10 years to qualify.....
Albert played 12...So he is ok there...
The DH is part of the game...And has been for what??? 40 years????
Over a 162 game schedule Albert Belle AVERAGED 40 HR'S and 130 RBI's.....
Lifetime batting average of .295
Show me a DH with better Numbers.....
There might be one....
But I cant think of one....
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
You give me 3 offensive stats??Of which 2 of the stats are basically EVEN.... BA/SLG
And you say Larkin was MUCH better offensively??? HUH????
Garvey 272 HR's
Larkin 198
Garvey 1308 RBI
Larkin 960
Who was a better LEADER as far as a teamate??
Garvey played every game for something like 8-9 years?? He SET the National League record for consecutive games played...Right???
Larkin was injured every other week and was on the DL 14 TIMES in his career......
Garvey's teams played in 5 World Series.....
Garvey's teams WON 1 World Series....Same as Larkin
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....