New Ticket Lottery system thoughts

zebra27

RedMosquito22 wrote:

Ticketmaster sucks. The last thing I want is them having any part of our ticket buying process. Yippee, it worked for a few Canadian dates.

RM thinks Tickmaster 'sucks.' How is that an argument for not using them? At least make a logical, factual argument. I don't think anyone that participated in those Canadian sales will tell you they had a negative experience with them.

Do they charge outrageous fees and have other business/ticketing practices that are unseemly? Yes.
Were they able to do that presale without a hitch, though? Yes.
Did anyone have to pay more for those tickets? No.
Did those ticketing/buinsess practices with which I do not agree impact the 10C presale at all? No.

strummers

EdsonNascimento wrote:

First, your analogy is silly. This isn't a job. And, it certainly not brain surgery (doctor - get it?). I'm all for free market capitalism. But, this is not an "achievement" or participation trophy. This is to see who gets to see a concert. Pretty low on the importance scale of life and certainly not a competition (though you wouldn't know that from around here). If the system didn't keep failing, I could understand leaving it, as it is easier for 10C, easier for us, etc. But, it's broken. Looking for a different, more equitable system in order for folks to see a concert seems like the right thing to do.

Second - it's much more difficult to scalp 10C tickets than open Ticketmaster sales. I'm sure it can be done - pick up early, then sell, etc. That seems like a bit more work just to make a few bucks when those same scalpers have the Ticketmaster system down and can probably get as many tickets as they want there.

Finally - how does hitting F5 prove your fandom? And who cares? If a "lesser" fan than me (not even sure how to quantify that) gets to go to a show and not me - good for them. Missing out on a concert is disappointing, but I'm no more entitled to see a concert than anyone else. (And if you ARE a true fan, there's always a way - perhaps that's how best to determine fandom).

I still have not read a single "I'm against trying this new system" post that is anything more than a rationalization. It's ok to be selfish. It's our right to do so. But, don't try to color it.

I've been lucky enough to be able to sit at a computer for hours on end until I get tickets for the majority of shows I've tried to get tickets to. Only shut out once as I was trying on a phone while driving up to Edinburgh to see The Mars Volta - oh and the Astoria show again I was driving to Manchester to see the Mars Volta. Acually all I need to do is stop seeing The Mars Volta and I'm sorted...

Seriously though, even though I've been pretty lucky tickets-wise I'm all for evening up the field and giving everyone a chance. There are things in life that can stop you from having a chance with the current system. Things which have no bearing at all on how much of a fan you are - there's just too much demand for too little tickets. I think the quote above makes some great points.

Yeah life isn't fair - but it doesn't mean we should stop trying to make it fair....

shep

JimmyV wrote:

If anyone is feeling ambitious they can check the Kelly Curtis thread but I am pretty sure he said that both he and the band have moved on from the TM fight and have no problem working with them in the future.

The band fought the good fight in the nineties and I give them all the credit in the world. But I also give them credit for being able to move on as times change.

I'm not going anywhere near that thread... I'll take your word for it.

And if that's the case, fine and dandy! I'm perfectly ok with them conducting the 10C ticket sales with them in the future as well! In fact I'll probably have better luck with TM than the lottery system, cause I will never win a lottery... atleast with TM I'll get 1 set of tickets to atleast 1 show.

boyo79

zebra27 wrote:

RedMosquito22 wrote:

Ticketmaster sucks. The last thing I want is them having any part of our ticket buying process. Yippee, it worked for a few Canadian dates.

RM thinks Tickmaster 'sucks.' How is that an argument for not using them? At least make a logical, factual argument. I don't think anyone that participated in those Canadian sales will tell you they had a negative experience with them.

Do they charge outrageous fees and have other business/ticketing practices that are unseemly? Yes. Were they able to do that presale without a hitch, though? Yes. Did I have to pay more for those tickets? No. Did those ticketing/buinsess practices with which I do not agree impact the 10C presale at all? No.

I don't have a problem with using TM, always bought my tickets through TM or SeeTickets in the UK. I think I ended up paying £6 or £8 for my Manchester tickets via TM than 10C. I really don't get why some people in the States have a huge problem with TM. It'd be nice if they explained why they think TM sucks. Or are they still stuck in the 90's?

JOEJOEJOE

In the U.S., ticketmaster fees are much higher. A $25 ticket often becomes a $38 ticket after fees are added.

$10 fee on a $25 ticket = 40% fee

tman

After having thought a day or so on this I think I have some insights if they do use this for the next round of shows.

This is basically the postcard system with a cash up front purchase. In the past you sent in the form with your check and seats were limited to avail and demand and there was not a gaurantee you would get tickets it would depend upon the demand and a drawing would take effect if the demand was too high.


Then seats would be allocated based on seniority so in the end it's the same process just simplified with a pay now link.

Seems to all make sense for me!

zebra27

boyo79 wrote:

zebra27 wrote:

RedMosquito22 wrote:

Ticketmaster sucks. The last thing I want is them having any part of our ticket buying process. Yippee, it worked for a few Canadian dates.

RM thinks Tickmaster 'sucks.' How is that an argument for not using them? At least make a logical, factual argument. I don't think anyone that participated in those Canadian sales will tell you they had a negative experience with them.

Do they charge outrageous fees and have other business/ticketing practices that are unseemly? Yes. Were they able to do that presale without a hitch, though? Yes. Did I have to pay more for those tickets? No. Did those ticketing/buinsess practices with which I do not agree impact the 10C presale at all? No.

I don't have a problem with using TM, always bought my tickets through TM or SeeTickets in the UK. I think I ended up paying £6 or £8 for my Manchester tickets via TM than 10C. I really don't get why some people in the States have a huge problem with TM. It'd be nice if they explained why they think TM sucks. Or are they still stuck in the 90's?

In addition to the high fees, they are also players in the secondary market. There are claims that they pull tickets from the initial on-sales to sell at a mark-up on their other, TM-owned, secondary market websites.

Also (to my initial point), ticket sales are already going through TM to some extent, anyway. All the public on-sales in the US and Canada have been through TM.

boyo79

zebra27 wrote:

boyo79 wrote:

zebra27 wrote:

RM thinks Tickmaster 'sucks.' How is that an argument for not using them? At least make a logical, factual argument. I don't think anyone that participated in those Canadian sales will tell you they had a negative experience with them.

Do they charge outrageous fees and have other business/ticketing practices that are unseemly? Yes. Were they able to do that presale without a hitch, though? Yes. Did I have to pay more for those tickets? No. Did those ticketing/buinsess practices with which I do not agree impact the 10C presale at all? No.

I don't have a problem with using TM, always bought my tickets through TM or SeeTickets in the UK. I think I ended up paying £6 or £8 for my Manchester tickets via TM than 10C. I really don't get why some people in the States have a huge problem with TM. It'd be nice if they explained why they think TM sucks. Or are they still stuck in the 90's?

In addition to the high fees, they are also players in the secondary market. There are claims that they pull tickets from the initial on-sales to sell at a mark-up on their other, TM-owned, secondary market websites.

Also (to my initial point), ticket sales are already going through TM to some extent, anyway. All the public on-sales in the US and Canada have been through TM.

Its that secondary market that really needs looking into. It seems all the ticket vendors do this nowadays.

Doesn't Live Nation own TM nowadays? In a way it seems they have more of a monopoly on tickets than ever.

dimitrispearljam

easy,fair ,worked perfect...

William Wallace

As I said before, the new lottery system is the way to go.
No anger, panic or sleepless nights in front of the pc.
You just have to send an email and hope you'll be one of the lucky ones...
Keep doing it this way, 10-C!

dimitrispearljam

and the tickets for berlin was cheaper than 2010..just sayin...

benjs

tman wrote:

After having thought a day or so on this I think I have some insights if they do use this for the next round of shows.

This is basically the postcard system with a cash up front purchase. In the past you sent in the form with your check and seats were limited to avail and demand and there was not a gaurantee you would get tickets it would depend upon the demand and a drawing would take effect if the demand was too high.


Then seats would be allocated based on seniority so in the end it's the same process just simplified with a pay now link.

Seems to all make sense for me!

That about sums it up! I wasn't a Pearl Jam fan yet at the time of the postcard system, but everything I heard about it sounded like a perfectly reasonable system, just frustrating due to the latency of mail delivery. The internet makes this a non-issue, so all in all, this is a very practical move by the band/organization. And the proof is in the pudding - when customer responses are positive rather than negative, something good has been done!

WhyNotSweden

William Wallace wrote:

As I said before, the new lottery system is the way to go.
No anger, panic or sleepless nights in front of the pc.
You just have to send an email and hope you'll be one of the lucky ones...
Keep doing it this way, 10-C!

+1

Dercheef

I still prefer the old system. With the old system we could have bought those tickets in 5 five minutes (since the demand was obviously not that high) and you would have known right away if you got tickets instead of waiting for three days.

dimitrispearljam

Dercheef wrote:

I still prefer the old system. With the old system we could have bought those tickets in 5 five minutes (since the demand was obviously not that high) and you would have known right away if you got tickets instead of waiting for three days.

you dont wait any three days..is like the presale starts the time is the draw..
+ 1 day with out even 1 bitchin thread...than 100 bitchin ones with old sysytem....we have a winner already..

benjs

Dercheef wrote:

I still prefer the old system. With the old system we could have bought those tickets in 5 five minutes (since the demand was obviously not that high) and you would have known right away if you got tickets instead of waiting for three days.

Demand was obviously not that high? Are we talking about the same band?

Dercheef

dimitrispearljam wrote:

Dercheef wrote:

I still prefer the old system. With the old system we could have bought those tickets in 5 five minutes (since the demand was obviously not that high) and you would have known right away if you got tickets instead of waiting for three days.

you dont wait any three days..is like the presale starts the time is the draw..
+ 1 day with out even 1 bitchin thread...than 100 bitchin ones with old sysytem....we have a winner already..

But you realize thats only because nearly everyone got the tickets they wanted. If you use this system for lets say MSG or PJ21 or any other high demand show, the bitching will be equally as high as with the old system. And then you have people who will lose five times in a row and I'm pretty sure they won't like the lottery either.
And the old system was not a "lottery". I'm 26 out of 26 with the old system (including PJ20 and four MSG shows), so a real lottery will just make my chances slimmer for getting tickets.
I get that people like the lottery for various reasons, but I just wanted to show that not everyone prefers it.

Dercheef

benjs wrote:

Dercheef wrote:

I still prefer the old system. With the old system we could have bought those tickets in 5 five minutes (since the demand was obviously not that high) and you would have known right away if you got tickets instead of waiting for three days.

Demand was obviously not that high? Are we talking about the same band?

As far as I can see most people (more than 80% I would guess) got the tickets they wanted through the lottery. So yes, the demand for those shows was obviously not as crazy high as for other shows (PJ20, MSG, Spectrum ect.)

dimitrispearljam

benjs wrote:

Dercheef wrote:

I still prefer the old system. With the old system we could have bought those tickets in 5 five minutes (since the demand was obviously not that high) and you would have known right away if you got tickets instead of waiting for three days.

Demand was obviously not that high? Are we talking about the same band?

people try to find a reground fine in the straw...system worked perfect,..noone with logic can say the opposite..
end of story..

sd150448

I was lucky enough to get tix but was really hoping this would NOT become a permanent thing.
This system was great for this time only.....I think it was fair in the case of a 2nd show and
to restore some faith in 10C after all the problems we went through.....but that's about it.
I don't want to be picked randomly for each and every show.......I'm not a random fan and
don't think I'd only like to get tix on a random basis....you could go years without getting 10C tix.
We all pay our dues....and we've been paying them for years....there is a reason for that.
You are supposed to get certain perks......not sit for days with your fingers crossed...that's
okay when playing the lotto but not for tix to a show.