New Ticket Lottery system thoughts

dimitrispearljam

Dercheef wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

Dercheef wrote:

I still prefer the old system. With the old system we could have bought those tickets in 5 five minutes (since the demand was obviously not that high) and you would have known right away if you got tickets instead of waiting for three days.

you dont wait any three days..is like the presale starts the time is the draw..
+ 1 day with out even 1 bitchin thread...than 100 bitchin ones with old sysytem....we have a winner already..

But you realize thats only because nearly everyone got the tickets they wanted. If you use this system for lets say MSG or PJ21 or any other high demand show, the bitching will be equally as high as with the old system. And then you have people who will lose five times in a row and I'm pretty sure they won't like the lottery either.
And the old system was not a "lottery". I'm 26 out of 26 with the old system (including PJ20 and four MSG shows), so a real lottery will just make my chances slimmer for getting tickets.
I get that people like the lottery for various reasons, but I just wanted to show that not everyone prefers it.

yes and london or milan,but at indiana and kansas will be unsold tix....
no will not be the same..cos you spent 1 minute not 10 hours in your pc..you would say i was unlucky lets search for spares....not get angry and wanna break your pc...plus there is a gap 5 days till public sale,so u have time for spare than go to scalpers..
worked perfect..with 2000 pj friends in facebook,i can see it clearly..

William Wallace

Since the number of tickets sold from 10-C is the same with the old and with the new system, the numbers of fans not getting tickets is obviously also the same.
So the question has to be:
What is the best way to sell the limited amout of tickets in a way everyone has the same chance to get a ticket?
To me, the answer can only be the new system.

dimitrispearljam

William Wallace wrote:

Since the number of tickets sold from 10-C is the same with the old and with the new system, the numbers of fans not getting tickets is obviously also the same.
So the question has to be:
What is the best way to sell the limited amout of tickets in a way everyone has the same chance to get a ticket?
To me, the answer can only be the new system.

so easy..you said it all..

benjs

William Wallace wrote:

Since the number of tickets sold from 10-C is the same with the old and with the new system, the numbers of fans not getting tickets is obviously also the same.
So the question has to be:
What is the best way to sell the limited amout of tickets in a way everyone has the same chance to get a ticket?
To me, the answer can only be the new system.

I agree. The only thing I would add is perhaps a hometown advantage which could be selected for one show per tour.
Assume 10C starts with a list of those who want tickets. Just like in a real lottery when you enter multiple times your odds are increased, maybe say that each name with 'hometown advantage' selected is entered four times in the list, whereas those without it selected would have their name entered three times in a list. In other words, essentially making your hometown advantage odds one and a third times of your odds if you don't have hometown advantage selected.

sd150448

I am assuming those in favour of this new system are those who got tix?
I am sure the response may be different had they not.
The lottery is a good temporary measure in this situation only but I really think what 10C needs
is to find a new ticketing system for the future....either that or just give us all tix....all the time
even though I got my tix....I'm still not in favour

benjs

sd150448 wrote:

I am assuming those in favour of this new system are those who got tix?
I am sure the response may be different had they not.
The lottery is a good temporary measure in this situation only but I really think what 10C needs
is to find a new ticketing system for the future....either that or just give us all tix....all the time
even though I got my tix....I'm still not in favour

As someone who hasn't failed with prior Ten Club sales (including MSG), with the exception of one EV show done lottery style which I didn't succeed through, I am fully in favour of the lottery.

Dercheef

sd150448 wrote:

I am assuming those in favour of this new system are those who got tix?
I am sure the response may be different had they not.
The lottery is a good temporary measure in this situation only but I really think what 10C needs
is to find a new ticketing system for the future....either that or just give us all tix....all the time
even though I got my tix....I'm still not in favour

I agree. I got my tix but I still prefer the old system.
Oh and btw. everyone who is for a hometown advantage is obviously not Israel, Russia, Philippines, The South ect. because those people will never ever have a hometown show. Too bad for them I guess...

dimitrispearljam

sd150448 wrote:

I am assuming those in favour of this new system are those who got tix?
I am sure the response may be different had they not.
The lottery is a good temporary measure in this situation only but I really think what 10C needs
is to find a new ticketing system for the future....either that or just give us all tix....all the time
even though I got my tix....I'm still not in favour

the chances are the same,with the new and old system..lets say 5000 members try to score 1000 pairs..
same chances..you just spent 1 minute with new system,and hours and freak out with the old..score or not..
when you dont score you feel sad ,,atleast you dont have to curse for 5 hours till you discover that are sold out..

EdsonNascimento

dimitrispearljam wrote:

sd150448 wrote:

I am assuming those in favour of this new system are those who got tix?
I am sure the response may be different had they not.
The lottery is a good temporary measure in this situation only but I really think what 10C needs
is to find a new ticketing system for the future....either that or just give us all tix....all the time
even though I got my tix....I'm still not in favour

the chances are the same,with the new and old system..lets say 5000 members try to score 1000 pairs..
same chances..you just spent 1 minute with new system,and hours and freak out with the old..score or not..
when you dont score you feel sad ,,atleast you dont have to curse for 5 hours till you discover that are sold out..

Dimi, selfish are selfish. You will not convince. They forget this is entertainment, and not something earned. Nobody is harmed (in a real sense) if they are the unlucky.

Chrisilein

There is one thing i don't like about the idea of the new system.
In case you would like to see 6 shows within 12 days. In your mind you already plan your trip and where you would stay. What if you only score tickets for the 1st and e.g. 5th plus 6th show? How would i spend the days between the 1st and the 5th show if i am not lucky enough to score all tickets?

This could happen if the demand is too high. This time, with Berlin 2 it wasn't a problem and i don't think it will be a problem to get tickets through the general sale.

boyo79

EdsonNascimento wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

sd150448 wrote:

I am assuming those in favour of this new system are those who got tix?
I am sure the response may be different had they not.
The lottery is a good temporary measure in this situation only but I really think what 10C needs
is to find a new ticketing system for the future....either that or just give us all tix....all the time
even though I got my tix....I'm still not in favour

the chances are the same,with the new and old system..lets say 5000 members try to score 1000 pairs..
same chances..you just spent 1 minute with new system,and hours and freak out with the old..score or not..
when you dont score you feel sad ,,atleast you dont have to curse for 5 hours till you discover that are sold out..

Dimi, selfish are selfish. You will not convince. They forget this is entertainment, and not something earned. Nobody is harmed (in a real sense) if they are the unlucky.

Well said

William Wallace

sd150448 wrote:

I am assuming those in favour of this new system are those who got tix?

I got tickets with the new system, but I also got tickets with the old system.
Even if the new system decreases my chances of getting tickets, I still think it is the way to go since it is fair to everyone.

With the old system, I had the advantage of having a fast internet connection, and a job where I have unlimited internet access all the time. So I mostly scored when I wanted to.
But this was not fair to many other fans who did not have these advantages.
I happily pass on this advantage to have a ticket sale without all the anger and frustration we had in the past.

Everyone just has to keep in mind:
Limited number of tickets = chance of not getting tickets
There is always a public sale where we can get tickets when we didn't get 10-C tickets.

boyo79

Chrisilein wrote:

There is one thing i don't like about the idea of the new system.
In case you would like to see 6 shows within 12 days. In your mind you already plan your trip and where you would stay. What if you only score tickets for the 1st and e.g. 5th plus 6th show? How would i spend the days between the 1st and the 5th show if i am not lucky enough to score all tickets?

This could happen if the demand is too high. This time, with Berlin 2 it wasn't a problem and i don't think it will be a problem to get tickets through the general sale.

This could happen with the old system. Really you should plan once you get tickets not before!

Mikolaj

Chrisilein wrote:

There is one thing i don't like about the idea of the new system.
In case you would like to see 6 shows within 12 days. In your mind you already plan your trip and where you would stay. What if you only score tickets for the 1st and e.g. 5th plus 6th show? How would i spend the days between the 1st and the 5th show if i am not lucky enough to score all tickets?

This could happen if the demand is too high. This time, with Berlin 2 it wasn't a problem and i don't think it will be a problem to get tickets through the general sale.

There is always a public sale (which is nine ouf of ten times normal online system where you can buy tickets. "The Prague system" is a black sheep here). I've been at 6 shows as a non-member and had never problems at scoring tickets. It doesn't matter if it was PJ20 festival or Berlin shows, if I logged in at the time of sale I could get them.

So as long as a 10C presale is few days before public sale and not after or at the same day, you've got plenty of time to prepare yourself for buying those missing tickets .



I took part in an old-system only once and that was a nightmare. I lost two days of my life as many of you. Now I spent only 1,5hr waiting for an e-mail. And even if i wasn't lucky, I'd still prefer this new system. It's fair. Everybody has got the same chance. And still - if you really wanna see them and didn't score, you still have chance at public sale. Those tickets are the same (okay, at US shows you've got seats instead of GA and there is a difference. But in Europe the only difference is a wristband)

sd150448

I hear so much about "public sale"....well that really didn't help all of us here on this side of the world.
Up at 3 AM trying to buy tix and then Canadian credit cards weren't even accepted for Stockholm, Oslo
and so on.......what about that?
I did end up getting tix for that one too....but it was a hard go.
It's always a hard go it seems...let's just hope things get easier some day as we all seem to want the same thing.
no lottery....just a better way

Eraserhead

I got lucky with the lottery, but I'd prefer for the (pre)sales to be handled by Ticketmaster.

Lottery is fine for one-off small shows (Sheppherd's Bush), but you shouldn't really need it for venues holding 15,000+ people.

fortheloveofpearljam

dimitrispearljam wrote:

sd150448 wrote:

I am assuming those in favour of this new system are those who got tix?
I am sure the response may be different had they not.
The lottery is a good temporary measure in this situation only but I really think what 10C needs
is to find a new ticketing system for the future....either that or just give us all tix....all the time
even though I got my tix....I'm still not in favour

the chances are the same,with the new and old system..lets say 5000 members try to score 1000 pairs..
same chances..you just spent 1 minute with new system,and hours and freak out with the old..score or not..
when you dont score you feel sad ,,atleast you dont have to curse for 5 hours till you discover that are sold out..

I agree with you Dimi. This was much more peaceful. I was putting it in fate's hand. The roll of the dice. And I got lucky. It seems to me that we all need to just accept whatever system that we are given because it is what it is. But I prefer this because the odds are the same for all of us, not who refreshes their screen over and over after being told to not refresh because we were in a que! And I didn't have to spend hours at a computer screen. But no matter what nothing is going to please everyone. I just hope that all who did not get in with lottery will get spares. There is also more time between the 10c lottery and public sale, so my fingers are crossed for all

Haywood Yablomee

benjs wrote:

Jeff side wrote:

Glad I've been paying membership dues for 19 years now to get added to a "lottery" with all the newbies and scalpers. Way to help out the scalpers that have 10 memberships each!! GREAT JOB GUYS!!!

I'm 22 and am no less of a Pearl Jam fan than someone who discovered them at their conception. Since I discovered them at fifteen I have listened to every song off every album countless times, seen them 13 times live, and think the lottery is a great way to show appreciation for young fans like myself. To call me a newbie is wrong, and to say that you should always be entitled to better seats than me because you were born earlier is an elitist opinion I believe to be false.

Ok, Let's compare apples to apples.
I'm a Cubs fan, I wanna buy partial season tickets this year.
Why can't I get better seats than the guy whose been a season ticket holder for 20 years?
I watch every game, know everyones stats... I'll never have better seats then that guy.
Is he an elitist cause he was born 20 years before me?

I'm pretty sure it works the same way for the Blue Jays, Raptors & Maple Leafs....

I also think that you're confusing the European lottery to the normal 1st, 2nd, 9th & 10th row seat lottery.

WhyNotSweden

Honking Seal wrote:

benjs wrote:

Jeff side wrote:

Glad I've been paying membership dues for 19 years now to get added to a "lottery" with all the newbies and scalpers. Way to help out the scalpers that have 10 memberships each!! GREAT JOB GUYS!!!

I'm 22 and am no less of a Pearl Jam fan than someone who discovered them at their conception. Since I discovered them at fifteen I have listened to every song off every album countless times, seen them 13 times live, and think the lottery is a great way to show appreciation for young fans like myself. To call me a newbie is wrong, and to say that you should always be entitled to better seats than me because you were born earlier is an elitist opinion I believe to be false.

Ok, Let's compare apples to apples.
I'm a Cubs fan, I wanna buy partial season tickets this year.
Why can't I get better seats than the guy whose been a season ticket holder for 20 years?
I watch every game, know everyones stats... I'll never have better seats then that guy.
Is he an elitist cause he was born 20 years before me?

I'm pretty sure it works the same way for the Blue Jays, Raptors & Maple Leafs....

I also think that you're confusing the European lottery to the normal 1st, 2nd, 9th & 10th row seat lottery.

As Honking Seal is saying, The European lottery was a lottery to get tickets, NOT to get seats, we don't have seats here. Old or new members have the same right to get tickets in this lottery, no seniority.

bootlegger10

Those against the ticket lottery are basically saying that people who have jobs where they can't get to the internet during the day don't deserve tickets. That is their sole argument.

Otherwise, if everyone was able to access the internet at the same time under the current method then it would be a lottery of who clicks a second before the next person. The current system is a lottery, and it is also excludes quite a few people from being able to purchase tickets due to their jobs or other responsibilities. Let's switch it up. We can still have seniority seating.