OCCUPY WALL STREET - Spreading

Byrnzie

inlet13 wrote:

whygohome wrote:

DragonsAfter3or4 wrote:

I love how that blowhard dumb biatch Pelosi rambles she loves that it's so spontaneous. Really Nancy???? This shit was planned as far back as March if not earlier to disrupt and or or to destroy institutions!!
Half of these dumbasses protesting don't know what they're protesting, some speak no English, some holding signs in English but can't read em, and some getting PAID to protest. Also, throw in the UNIONS (SEIU) and ACORN and you have a bullshit protest meant to only cause anarchy and put blame on someone else. These fuckers piss me off.

http://www.businessinsider.com/seiu-uni ... y-jpmorgan

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.ph ... w.facebook

Get a god damn clue before opening your mouth/writing a post. Even my friends who work on Wall St. agree with the protestors.

These "fuckers" piss you off? Well guess what, asshole, I am one of those fuckers. And I hope I piss you off every fucking day, cocksucker.

And to all a good night!!!!!!

Seriously, man? You got to call people "cocksuckers?" because they disagree with you.

This is exactly what's wrong with this place. No one wants a dialogue with the opposition. Tolerance... ha ha.

I suspect his use if the word cocksuckers was in response to DragonsAfter3or4 referring to the protest as a 'bullshit protest', and to the protestors as 'these dumbasses', and 'these fuckers'.

DragonsAfter3or4

whygohome wrote:

DragonsAfter3or4 wrote:

I love how that blowhard dumb biatch Pelosi rambles she loves that it's so spontaneous. Really Nancy???? This shit was planned as far back as March if not earlier to disrupt and or or to destroy institutions!!
Half of these dumbasses protesting don't know what they're protesting, some speak no English, some holding signs in English but can't read em, and some getting PAID to protest. Also, throw in the UNIONS (SEIU) and ACORN and you have a bullshit protest meant to only cause anarchy and put blame on someone else. These fuckers piss me off.

http://www.businessinsider.com/seiu-uni ... y-jpmorgan

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.ph ... w.facebook

Well guess what, asshole, I am one of those fuckers. And I hope I piss you off every fucking day, cocksucker.

And to all a good night!!!!!!

gimmesometruth27

DragonsAfter3or4 wrote:

I love how that blowhard dumb biatch Pelosi rambles she loves that it's so spontaneous. Really Nancy???? This shit was planned as far back as March if not earlier to disrupt and or or to destroy institutions!!
Half of these dumbasses protesting don't know what they're protesting, some speak no English, some holding signs in English but can't read em, and some getting PAID to protest. Also, throw in the UNIONS (SEIU) and ACORN and you have a bullshit protest meant to only cause anarchy and put blame on someone else. These fuckers piss me off.

http://www.businessinsider.com/seiu-uni ... y-jpmorgan

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.ph ... w.facebook

I know what I am protesting and I speak English. Do you want to have a conversation and discuss our differences of do you want to just throw insults? There are more people who think like me than there are that.think like you so be careful what you want to get into here....

aerial

whygohome wrote:

DragonsAfter3or4 wrote:

I love how that blowhard dumb biatch Pelosi rambles she loves that it's so spontaneous. Really Nancy???? This shit was planned as far back as March if not earlier to disrupt and or or to destroy institutions!!
Half of these dumbasses protesting don't know what they're protesting, some speak no English, some holding signs in English but can't read em, and some getting PAID to protest. Also, throw in the UNIONS (SEIU) and ACORN and you have a bullshit protest meant to only cause anarchy and put blame on someone else. These fuckers piss me off.

http://www.businessinsider.com/seiu-uni ... y-jpmorgan

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.ph ... w.facebook

Get a god damn clue before opening your mouth/writing a post. Even my friends who work on Wall St. agree with the protestors.

These "fuckers" piss you off? Well guess what, asshole, I am one of those fuckers. And I hope I piss you off every fucking day, cocksucker.

And to all a good night!!!!!!

WOW I had to check the name again, thought I was reading a post from Dorkness..........

DragonsAfter3or4

http://www.infowars.com/democrats-and-e ... /#comments

Democrats and Establishment Unions Plan to Hijack OWS This Week

Kurt Nimmo
Infowars.com
October 3, 2011

Despite the sincerity of most Occupy Wall Street protesters and their desire to close down Wall Street and even the Federal Reserve, the movement is quickly becoming a catch-all for socialists and large unions determined to tax millionaires out of existence.
On Sunday, Crain’s wrote that the “ragtag collection of no-name protesters” will be joined this week by “experienced agitators” and a coalition of labor and community groups. The United Federation of Teachers, SEIU, Workers United, Transport Workers Union Local 100 and the Communications Workers of America are all expected to exploit Occupy Wall Street this week to push their agenda.
In 2009, SEIU thugs beat a Tea Party activist in St. Louis. SEIU president Andy Stern was appointed to Obama’s National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform.
Unions are working to direct the energy of the anti-banker protests into their leftist agenda. “The challenge is, how do you transfer protest into power?” asked Robert Master, legislative and political director of the Communications Workers of America and a co-chair of the Working Families Party. “At the end of the day, you have to figure out a way to take this energy and turn it into legislation that really changes people’s lives.”
The Working Families Party is an ACORN front. ACORN enthusiastically supported the election of Obama, although this is supposedly not allowed under its non-profit 501(c)(3) tax status.
In addition to establishment unions, self-described progressive community groups and other foundation dependent organizations plan to exploit Occupy Wall Street’s momentum. In addition to Make the Road New York, the Coalition for the Homeless, the Alliance for Quality Education, Community Voices Heard, United New York and Strong Economy For All, Paul Joseph Watson reports today that the Soros funded group MoveOn.org plans to attend the demonstrations.
MoveOn.org endorsed Obama in 2008. It fundraised and organized for his campaign “and has become perhaps the lead lobby organization for his policies in 2009, apart from Obama’s own Organizing for America,” according to SourceWatch. It teamed up with the unions SEIU and AFSCME to pressure Republicans to vote for Obama’s pro-Wall Street policies. It spent $30 million during the 2008 election cycle to get establishment Democrats elected.


Most of the so-called community groups listed above support the Millionaire’s Tax, an idea cooked up by the Obama administration after Warren Buffett declared the rich do not pay enough taxes and urged the government to steal more money from millionaires. As I noted yesterday, such taxation schemes invariably “trickle down” to the middle and working classes and usually result in unemployment as businesses either cut back or close down.
After the foundation funded and Democrat supported unions and so-called community groups dilute or takeover the Occupy Wall Street movement, calls for reforming Wall Street and eliminating the Federal Reserve – at present a minority voice in the movement – will be overwhelmed by the same old “progressive” Democrat agenda.
Like the Libertarians behind the original Tea Party movement, the Occupy Wall Street activists who sincerely demand change on Wall Street and in the dominant financial sector will be driven from the movement and replaced by socialist apparatchiks and Democrats funded by Soros and establishment foundations.
Unions and progressives have no intention of reforming Wall Street, as a quick glance at the Obama administration dominated by Goldman Sachs, the CFR, and the Trilateral Commission reveals what the Democrat version of “change” is all about.
Michael Moore admitted that “far left” socialists and Democrats are working to eliminate capitalism and turn America into another third-world cesspool. Not surprisingly, he said ending the Federal Reserve is irrelevant.
Of course he would say that. Moore is a tool of the bankers who will now work tirelessly behind the scenes to dilute the OWS movement and turn it into another irrelevancy and circus sideshow demanding implementation of the same old tired socialist palliatives that only allow the global elite to centralize and consolidate their grip on humanity.

DragonsAfter3or4

These people really are batshit crazy... Is that Atlanta or Jonestown??? :shock:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QZlp3eGMNI

brianlux

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

DragonsAfter3or4 wrote:

I love how that blowhard dumb biatch Pelosi rambles she loves that it's so spontaneous. Really Nancy???? This shit was planned as far back as March if not earlier to disrupt and or or to destroy institutions!!
Half of these dumbasses protesting don't know what they're protesting, some speak no English, some holding signs in English but can't read em, and some getting PAID to protest. Also, throw in the UNIONS (SEIU) and ACORN and you have a bullshit protest meant to only cause anarchy and put blame on someone else. These fuckers piss me off.

http://www.businessinsider.com/seiu-uni ... y-jpmorgan

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.ph ... w.facebook

I know what I am protesting and I speak English. Do you want to have a conversation and discuss our differences of do you want to just throw insults? There are more people who think like me than there are that.think like you so be careful what you want to get into here....

DragonsAfter3or4 wrote:

These people really are batshit crazy... Is that Atlanta or Jonestown??? :shock:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QZlp3eGMNI

Looks like you got your answer, gimme. Some people just like to bate others.

DragonsAfter3or4

brianlux wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

DragonsAfter3or4 wrote:

I love how that blowhard dumb biatch Pelosi rambles she loves that it's so spontaneous. Really Nancy???? This shit was planned as far back as March if not earlier to disrupt and or or to destroy institutions!!
Half of these dumbasses protesting don't know what they're protesting, some speak no English, some holding signs in English but can't read em, and some getting PAID to protest. Also, throw in the UNIONS (SEIU) and ACORN and you have a bullshit protest meant to only cause anarchy and put blame on someone else. These fuckers piss me off.

http://www.businessinsider.com/seiu-uni ... y-jpmorgan

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.ph ... w.facebook

I know what I am protesting and I speak English. Do you want to have a conversation and discuss our differences of do you want to just throw insults? There are more people who think like me than there are that.think like you so be careful what you want to get into here....

DragonsAfter3or4 wrote:

These people really are batshit crazy... Is that Atlanta or Jonestown??? :shock:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QZlp3eGMNI

Looks like you got your answer, gimme. Some people just like to bate others.

Ahhh it's baiting because I have a different opinion and showed an actual video of crazy people. Hmmmm. oh and it's "bait" not bate, tho I do that too

brianlux

Meanwhile, back to constructive dialogue...

I was talking with some friends yesterday about the recent comparisons of OWS and the Vietnam War protests. Back then the protest often turned violent. These things would spring up out of nowhere and get ugly really fast. I remember walking from the dorms to class one day only to find the entire quad jammed with protestors- one of those spur of the moment things I guess because none of us had heard about it- and suddenly, at the open end of the quad a very large group of mounted police approached with clubs ready. This was normal and it was ugly- heads got busted. A friend of mine who was trying to go about his business and edge around things got busted up. A lot of people got hurt. I supported those protests because of what they were about but I didn't support the violence- on either side.

Today we are seeing protests that are generally much more peaceful. That's encouraging to see.

whygohome

and spreading, and spreading.......

http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/15/world/occ ... ?hpt=hp_t2

Occupy protests spread around the world; 70 injured in Rome - CNN.com
By Faith Karimi and Joe Sterling , CNN
2011-10-15T05:55:18Z
Are you attending or covering the protests? Send us your photos and videos, and follow the worldwide
movement on Open Story.
(CNN) -- Thousands of people across the world railed against corporate power, grinding poverty and
government cuts Saturday as the Occupy Wall Street movement spread to the streets of Europe, Asia and
Australia -- and took a particularly violent turn in Rome.
Firefighters battled a blaze at an Interior Ministry building near Porta San Giovanni in Rome, the main
gathering site of the Italian protesters taking part in the Occupy movement Saturday, said eyewitnesses who
reported seeing a Molotov cocktail thrown near the building.
A spokesman for Mayor Gianni Alemanno, who condemned the violence, confirmed 70 people were injured,
40 of them police officers. No arrest numbers were available late Saturday.
Police said hundreds of anarchists in Rome moved in where peaceful demonstrators had gathered as part of
the global Occupy movement. The anarchists -- some wearing ski masks and belonging to a group termed
"Black Bloc" -- torched cars, broke windows and clashed with police.
"It's been completely hijacked by these violent factions, and the police are nervous, and the situation is very
tense," Barbie Nadeau, a Newsweek correspondent, told CNN. "I myself saw at least -- I would say -- a
dozen people who probably needed some hospitalization or some care -- some stitches certainly."
Two police officers were seriously injured and two young men lost parts of their hands in explosions when
protesters torched cars, she said.
In London, protester Peter Vaughn, reflecting the mood of many in the crowd there, said people criticized
financial institutions that have "gambled away our money."
"We're giving people a real voice against a government that just ignored us," he said.
One protester in Belleville, France, referring to the country's leaders, said government isn't listening to the
people and dialogue with them is impossible.
"You are not listening to us, whatever we do, however we vote, however we demonstrate. It does not give
any result. Quite the opposite, as poverty and austerity plans continue. So we can't go on like this so we are
getting out and showing ourselves," he said.
The protests spread amid the growing financial crises for several Western countries. Finance ministers
with the Group of 20, meeting in Paris, pledged Saturday to take "all necessary actions" to stabilize global
markets and ensure that banks are well capitalized.
Europeans turned out amid debt troubles and austerity plans in Greece, Belgium, Italy, Spain, Ireland,
Portugal and Germany.
United for Global Change -- the central site for the movement organizing worldwide protests -- said 951 cities
in 82 countries were to take part in the demonstrations after online organizers called for a worldwide rally.
More than 10,000 demonstrators of all ages gathered peacefully in Madrid's spacious Plaza de Cibeles on
Saturday and than walked uphill to Puerta del Sol. The "May 15 Movement" started five months ago to the
day over austerity measures and high unemployment. Some demonstrators said they felt Spain's protest had
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gone global and that the world had joined the movement started in their country. The newspaper El Pais said
tens of thousands of protesters turned out in Barcelona.
Around the world, protesters marched, listened to speeches, and displayed banners reading anti-corporate
slogans, including the now ubiquitous "we are the 99%," "Banks are cancer" and tax the rich 1%."
The vandalism that erupted in Rome angered peaceful protesters. There were car fires and masked people
breaking windows at banks and stores, where many thousands faced a large police presence. Firefighters
were working to contain the blaze and the tensions calmed down in the evening hours. But the echo of
Molotov cocktails could be heard and a lingering cloud of black smoke could be seen, Nadeau told CNN.
In Germany, police used pepper spray on two protesters who crossed beyond police lines.
Still, the demonstrations across the world were peaceful overall, inspired by the protests in the United States.
In London, WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange spoke to demonstrators. The demonstrations are contained to
an area in front of St. Paul's Cathedral. There have also been three arrests, two for assault on police.
"What is happening here today is a culmination of greed that many people all over the world have worked
towards from Cairo to London," Assange said.
Tens of thousands demonstrated in German cities, witnesses said. Peaceful protests with a festive
atmosphere blended with a mood of anger toward big business, where demonstrators carried signs saying
"Goldman Sucks," "Eat Cash," "People should not be afraid of their government," and "The government
should be afraid of their people."
"They are stealing our rights," one banner read at a demonstration of several thousand people in Madrid.
Canadians turned out in Toronto, with placards jutting up from a crowd saying "Arrest the 1%" and "Stop
ignoring the youth, we are your tomorrow." A sign on a dog said "99% against (corporate) fat cats."
Retired businessman Wong Chi Keung, in Hong Kong, said, "We should not let the banks get away with
being big bullies."
Debbie Chen works for a group protesting against Apple's treatment of its workers in China.
"As the world's most valuable company they earn the lion's share while the workers on the production line
earn only 1% of the selling price of an iPhone. We hope there can be more even distribution of profits," she
said.
About 200 people marched through Tokyo carrying various signs, including "No More Nukes and "Free
Tibet." The crowd included children jumping and skipping behind the adults. Some protesters wore costumes
-- including a giant panda.
"I'm here because young Japanese people are suffering for losing their jobs, but not many speak out their
issue to the public," said Kesao Murakami. "I really want young people to appeal forcefully to the public
saying, 'We are in trouble.' "
In the Indonesian capital of Jakarta, about two dozen people -- some wearing masks -- gathered near the
U.S. Embassy.
"We wanted to show that the American regime, its system of imperialism needs to be destroyed," said Rudi
Daman, leader of the International League of Peoples' Struggle.
The group urged its chapters to stage a global day of action against "imperialist plunder, repression and war."
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Australian cities of Melbourne and Sydney joined rallies against "corporate greed" as protesters aligned
themselves with the global movement.
"Our protests are to show our solidarity with Occupy Wall Street and also protest various problems -- from
indigenous issues in this country to government problems," said Alex Gard, one of the Melbourne organizers.
"We know we have it better than the protesters in the States ... but there are still problems in this country."
Organizers urged protesters to bring sleeping bags and other soft items to sleep on.
"I've heard people say they plan to be there for days, even months," Gard said.
Organizers worldwide started social media pages on Facebook and Twitter devoted to "October 15" — #O15
on Twitter — urging protesters to join the global call for protests.
The worldwide movement is galvanized by the Occupy Wall Street movement started last month as a
backlash against the economy and what demonstrators say is an out-of-touch corporate, financial and
political elite.
Occupy Wall Street organizers say they are inspired by the Arab Spring that led to the toppling of regimes in
Tunisia and Egypt.
The founding movement in the United States has spread to other major cities in the nation.
© 2011 Cable News Network. Turner Broadcasting System, Inc. All Rights Reserved.

brianlux

Regarding above post from whygohome (thanks for doing it!) I think we can call this a movement!

gimmesometruth27

it is a movement. it is a matter of time to see how strong it is...

lack of progress and cold weather is enough to make a lot of people give up...

i have donated blankets and money to provide warmth for those that are going to be sleeping out in the cold, so i have done a small little part to support it..

blueandwhite

brianlux wrote:

Meanwhile, back to constructive dialogue...

Today we are seeing protests that are generally much more peaceful. That's encouraging to see.

Unfortunately, I get the feeling that it won't stay this way. http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2011/10/15/world-occupy-protests-rome-london.html

The occupy protests in Rome became quickly became quite violent and skirmishes with police in New York give me the impression that this is really the tide before the storm. While these protests are peaceful, they are being met with resistance from the media as well as the many Americans who back Wall Street. The top 1% have too much to lose to simply give up here. The protesters will discover that non-violent solutions are ineffective. Corporate America still has a firm hold of government and while these protests have provided American television viewers with a good bit of 6:00 viewing, they won't bring about real reform.



Personally I find it quite sad that so many individuals are anti-union and anti-fair wage but will openly back the leadership on Wall Street despite the gross misappropriation and misuse of investor savings and American tax dollars. I just don't understand how so many people can cheer on the loss of working class and middle class pensions and jobs while advocating so strongly for the uber rich irrespective of their many transgressions against the United States. I mean, why were people more upset with the government throwing $30-or-so billion dollars to Detroit, but the banks were too big to fail so a trillion dollars can be tossed to Wall Street without batting an eye? Why do we hate middle-class workers so much that we've joined the crusade to eliminate them entirely?

aerial

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/03/the_real_tea_party_story_commu.html

I don't think anyone is cheering the bad economy.
The message from Tea Partiers is rather than losing all hope in the American system of liberty, justice and limited government, these community-builders -- the Tea Partiers -- are rallying to express their firm commitment to the United States Constitution, which guarantees equality under the law, not equality of material-world goods. The Constitution is designed to preserve liberty, not "empathy," for as any sentient person knows, empathy is entirely dependent upon which type of tyrant is sitting in the seat of judgment.

gimmesometruth27

this movement is not about tyranny or the loss of liberty. i wish people on the right would stop trying to characterize it like that and i wish they would stop the default argument that we are somehow so oppressed by some tyrant in the white house who has not and can not take away your liberty. it is not about patriotism or the concept of liberty and the loss of liberty...

stop taking the focus off of the reason people are protesting.

it is about the bankers making out like robber barons at the expense of regular people and it is about the ever expanding discrepancy of wealth and how regular working people are fucked and how there are no jobs.

if you channeled your anger at the real people that are oppressing you instead of having some smoke and mirrors theory blaming obama for everything you might just begin to understand where people involved in this movement are coming from...

if i remember correctly you said in the past that you have to work multiple jobs to make ends meet. these people are protesting against that and they are on your side because you deserve better than having to do that. nobody deserves to have to work 3 or 4 jobs just to make ends meet.

whygohome

I'm sorry, but this part--if it is meant as a dig to OWS--is incredibly misguided and simply false.

aerial wrote:

equality under the law, not equality of material-world goods. The Constitution is designed to preserve liberty, not "empathy," for as any sentient person knows, empathy is entirely dependent upon which type of tyrant is sitting in the seat of judgment.

Who the hell is talking about empathy or "equality of material-world goods?" OWS doesn't care about material goods; I would guess a large majority of us--myself included--find materialism quite revolting.
Again this is misguided and is a vacuous statement that barely reaches the level of propaganda.

I originally wanted to reply to this post by saying that the Tea Party--as it was established in 2006 in Boston--does make some good points: tax reform, end the wars, end the war on drugs. it is a shame though that this movement as it originally stood in 2006 has been co-opted and bastardized by the Republican Right and has been diluted by Corporate interests--Koch brothers.
There is a lot that the Tea Party and OWS can agree on. Unity is much better than division for the American people. Division is much better than unity for the 1%.

whygohome

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

this movement is not about tyranny or the loss of liberty. i wish people on the right would stop trying to characterize it like that and i wish they would stop the default argument that we are somehow so oppressed by some tyrant in the white house who has not and can not take away your liberty. it is not about patriotism or the concept of liberty and the loss of liberty...

stop taking the focus off of the reason people are protesting.

it is about the bankers making out like robber barons at the expense of regular people and it is about the ever expanding discrepancy of wealth and how regular working people are fucked and how there are no jobs.

if you channeled your anger at the real people that are oppressing you instead of having some smoke and mirrors theory blaming obama for everything you might just begin to understand where people involved in this movement are coming from...

if i remember correctly you said in the past that you have to work multiple jobs to make ends meet. these people are protesting against that and they are on your side because you deserve better than having to do that. nobody deserves to have to work 3 or 4 jobs just to make ends meet.

+1,000,000

Jason P

The Obama administration has now spawned two grass-root movements born out of the frustration of government manipulation and failed policy ... is this the "change" we heard about?

whygohome

Jason P wrote:

The Obama administration has now spawned two grass-root movements born out of the frustration of government manipulation and failed policy ... is this the "change" we heard about?

Change WE THE PEOPLE can believe in!

But didn't the Tea Party--the Tea Party that was not co-opted and diluted by corporate interests and the Republican party-- begin in 2006? A shame: they had a good message until they became a caricature of their original selves. Not 100% their fault. I blame Palin, Bachman, the Kochs, etc for manipulating the movement.
And, OWS was bound to happen. It doesn't matter who was in office.

All that aside, I agree with you: this is not what we expected 3 years ago, and I'm sure Barry is sitting in the Oval Office saying, "this wasn't supposed to happen while I am president"

Jason P

whygohome wrote:

Jason P wrote:

The Obama administration has now spawned two grass-root movements born out of the frustration of government manipulation and failed policy ... is this the "change" we heard about?

Change WE THE PEOPLE can believe in!

But didn't the Tea Party--the Tea Party that was not co-opted and diluted by corporate interests and the Republican party-- begin in 2006? A shame: they had a good message until they became a caricature of their original selves. Not 100% their fault. I blame Palin, Bachman, the Kochs, etc for manipulating the movement.
And, OWS was bound to happen. It doesn't matter who was in office.

All that aside, I agree with you: this is not what we expected 3 years ago, and I'm sure Barry is sitting in the Oval Office saying, "this wasn't supposed to happen while I am president"

Same thing will happen / is happening to OWS. Unions are already exerting their influence. With lack of leadership and goals in OWS, the movement will be ripe for the picking by special interest groups or those who "claim" to represent it. Their image will be distorted, manipulated, stereotyped by conservative opposition and media groups ... just like happened to the Tea Party. And a core group will stay with the core ideals and push forward dispite it all ... just like the Tea Party ... well, that is once the OWS figures out what their core ideals are.