The Death Penalty

cincybearcat

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

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Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

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So I watched the Bundy Files on Netflix.

I forgot a lot about that story- in particular, his two escapes from jail (the second allowing him to make his way to Florida and slayed three more women). I don't know which is worse- the Dahmer cops that let Dahmer take his young victim back to his house after he had escaped it- naked and bloody... or the jailhouse idiots that let him escape TWICE?

An appalling story for so many reasons- one being how much he thought of himself and how little he regarded the beautiful women he murdered (he truly saw them as insignificant). He was a sociopath of the highest order.

He sure thought he was cute and clever at his trial. I loved his expression when the verdicts were read. 

As we all know, he was executed. There was a big festival outside the prison when the execution took place- people rejoicing in the fact that Ted was frying. I didn't care for the party Floridians held as Ted paid for his crimes, but I feel the DP was the only penalty fitting for the prick given his crimes were so egregious. If we can spray mosquitoes with Off without batting an eye... then we can fry a hunk of shit like Ted.

(By the way... I loved Jane's Addiction's Ted, Just Admit It.)

Yeah, I mentioned in the Netflix thread that I was reminded by this show that that incident definitely triggered by opposition to the death penalty, because I was so stricken and repulsed by that party outside. It was a great metaphor for why the DP is all about vengeance and a blood lust and a disregard for the taking of a life. It fully demonstrates the moral absurdity of capital punishment IMO.

It also demonstrated the value of the DP to silence such a horrific human being who simply put- wasn't worthy of life. His victims (and survivors) didn't need him flaunting his grotesque existence.

But I agree with you regarding the 'party' atmosphere- completely unnecessary (although understood- there'll be big parties when Trump is dumped too).

I have to disagree on that point too... Nobody had to pay him any attention in prison. He could have easily been silenced by not letting him have reporters come and talk to him. Also, days before he was murdered, he decided to try and delay it by starting to reveal where all the unrecovered bodies were. Some of those vicitms were Jane Does. I bet there are some families out there who still don't actually know what happened to their daughters. Bundy might have lead authorities to those victims if he hadn't been killed.

We can disagree.

Cheers!

I never understood how they could justify putting any serial killer to death, when in so many cases they say they suspect they killed far more people than he was convicted of, and far more people than they have been able to identify. I think the #1 priority should be to get any and all info out of that killer so that they can try and solve a ton of cold cases related to the convict. Murdering them while they believe he committed more murders than they know about makes absolutely no sense to me. I never see supporters of the DP worry about that, but I never understood why it wasn't higher on their priority list than vengeance.

Ted Bundy broke out of jail and killed more people. It’s not always about vegence. 

It is an interesting point you raise but I’m guessing they got to a point where they were no longer getting information. 

Yeah, but he wasn't going to break out of maximum security prison. He broke out of an office in a courthouse, and then out of a jail cell with a hole in the ceiling and killed more people, before he even had a trial. So that doesn't really mean anything as far as the reasoning behind the DP goes. Nobody in maximum security prison, convicted for crimes like that, is going to be able to escape. I totally agree that making sure violent criminals aren't a danger to society is a HUGE deal... that is why some of the sentences we see for violent people piss me off so much.

I have concerns for the security officers as well. Plus, I don’t think you should be using up valuable resources when you are a killer.  So it’s not just 1 thing.

Gern Blansten

I don't have a problem with it at all.  I do have an issue with how it (the DP) is carried out.  There is no reason why lethal injection has to be so inconsistent.  An overdose of morphine will do the job nicely.  First they sleep then they die.  

PJ_Soul

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

So I watched the Bundy Files on Netflix.

I forgot a lot about that story- in particular, his two escapes from jail (the second allowing him to make his way to Florida and slayed three more women). I don't know which is worse- the Dahmer cops that let Dahmer take his young victim back to his house after he had escaped it- naked and bloody... or the jailhouse idiots that let him escape TWICE?

An appalling story for so many reasons- one being how much he thought of himself and how little he regarded the beautiful women he murdered (he truly saw them as insignificant). He was a sociopath of the highest order.

He sure thought he was cute and clever at his trial. I loved his expression when the verdicts were read. 

As we all know, he was executed. There was a big festival outside the prison when the execution took place- people rejoicing in the fact that Ted was frying. I didn't care for the party Floridians held as Ted paid for his crimes, but I feel the DP was the only penalty fitting for the prick given his crimes were so egregious. If we can spray mosquitoes with Off without batting an eye... then we can fry a hunk of shit like Ted.

(By the way... I loved Jane's Addiction's Ted, Just Admit It.)

Yeah, I mentioned in the Netflix thread that I was reminded by this show that that incident definitely triggered by opposition to the death penalty, because I was so stricken and repulsed by that party outside. It was a great metaphor for why the DP is all about vengeance and a blood lust and a disregard for the taking of a life. It fully demonstrates the moral absurdity of capital punishment IMO.

It also demonstrated the value of the DP to silence such a horrific human being who simply put- wasn't worthy of life. His victims (and survivors) didn't need him flaunting his grotesque existence.

But I agree with you regarding the 'party' atmosphere- completely unnecessary (although understood- there'll be big parties when Trump is dumped too).

I have to disagree on that point too... Nobody had to pay him any attention in prison. He could have easily been silenced by not letting him have reporters come and talk to him. Also, days before he was murdered, he decided to try and delay it by starting to reveal where all the unrecovered bodies were. Some of those vicitms were Jane Does. I bet there are some families out there who still don't actually know what happened to their daughters. Bundy might have lead authorities to those victims if he hadn't been killed.

We can disagree.

Cheers!

I never understood how they could justify putting any serial killer to death, when in so many cases they say they suspect they killed far more people than he was convicted of, and far more people than they have been able to identify. I think the #1 priority should be to get any and all info out of that killer so that they can try and solve a ton of cold cases related to the convict. Murdering them while they believe he committed more murders than they know about makes absolutely no sense to me. I never see supporters of the DP worry about that, but I never understood why it wasn't higher on their priority list than vengeance.

Ted Bundy broke out of jail and killed more people. It’s not always about vegence. 

It is an interesting point you raise but I’m guessing they got to a point where they were no longer getting information. 

Yeah, but he wasn't going to break out of maximum security prison. He broke out of an office in a courthouse, and then out of a jail cell with a hole in the ceiling and killed more people, before he even had a trial. So that doesn't really mean anything as far as the reasoning behind the DP goes. Nobody in maximum security prison, convicted for crimes like that, is going to be able to escape. I totally agree that making sure violent criminals aren't a danger to society is a HUGE deal... that is why some of the sentences we see for violent people piss me off so much.

I have concerns for the security officers as well. Plus, I don’t think you should be using up valuable resources when you are a killer.  So it’s not just 1 thing.

But they use up far more resources going through the death penalty process. Keeping them alive actually saves court resources and money.

As for the corrections officers... well shit, that actually just leads me to the entire American justice system in general. I think those dealing with the likes of Bundy and Gacy and Dahmer are FAR safer with them than they are dealing with general population in prisons that are made up violent gang members, fueled by race divisions, and rounded off by a bunch of addicts (who have help getting their drugs through corrupt corrections officers, or just ones who want to save their own asses).

Meltdown99

Bundy got what he deserved.

So did this asshole.

More than 100 police keep vigil outside Texas prison until cop killer pronounced dead
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/texas-inmate-set-to-be-executed-for-houston-officers-death?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR2SQowmttbc8SihinpNhNAS5vN05CcVyd7CWh9O4_cp_sNdmUBbH1pRUzE#Echobox=1548949426

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Gern Blansten said:

I don't have a problem with it at all.  I do have an issue with how it (the DP) is carried out.  There is no reason why lethal injection has to be so inconsistent.  An overdose of morphine will do the job nicely.  First they sleep then they die.  

I agree that a clean, clinical execution should be the standard, but in most cases that go badly... the murderer's suffering isn't remotely close to what their victims endured. I don't lose any sleep.

Don't rape, torture and murder women and children. And we won't have to wonder what to do with you. It's that simple.

Gern Blansten

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gern Blansten said:

I don't have a problem with it at all.  I do have an issue with how it (the DP) is carried out.  There is no reason why lethal injection has to be so inconsistent.  An overdose of morphine will do the job nicely.  First they sleep then they die.  

I agree that a clean, clinical execution should be the standard, but in most cases that go badly... the murderer's suffering isn't remotely close to what their victims endured. I don't lose any sleep.

Don't rape, torture and murder women and children. And we won't have to wonder what to do with you. It's that simple.

I don't lose sleep either but it gives those opposed to the DP ammo.  

It just doesn't make sense to me that it is so inconsistent in how it is carried out.  

Spiritual_Chaos

nvm

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Nathaniel Rowland can go. South Carolina employs the DP. There's no reason to feed and clothe this maggot.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/slain-college-student-who-got-in-wrong-car-died-from-multiple-sharp-force-injuries/ar-BBVvrPH?ocid=spartanntp

HughFreakingDillon

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/02/opinions/supreme-court-cruel-death-row-ruling-filipovic/index.html

this is some sick shit. 

good ol' conservative 'murica

Meltdown99

State of Missouri v. Russell E. Bucklew

973 S.W. 2d 83 (Mo.banc 1998)

Case Facts: 

Russell Bucklew apparently did not want to live apart from Stephanie Ray. The two had lived together in Cape Girardeau County until Ray decided to break up with Bucklew on Valentine’s Day, 1996. Bucklew left their mobile home and went to live with his parents.

On March 6, Bucklew returned to the trailer he had shared with Ray, found Michael Sanders, the victim in this case, there, concluded that Sanders and Ray were romantically involved, put a knife to Sanders’s throat and threatened to kill Sanders if Sanders ever came back to Ray’s trailer.

Later that same evening, Bucklew returned to the trailer, found Ray alone, threatened her with a knife, cut her jaw, and punched her in the face before leaving. Ray reported all of this to the police.

Bucklew called Ray at work the following day, March 7. He threatened her again and promised to kill her, Sanders, and her children if he saw her with Sanders again. Ray moved in with Sanders, fearing to return to her own home.

Sometime during the night of March 20-21, Bucklew stole his nephew’s car, two of his brother’s pistols, two sets of his brother’s handcuffs, and a roll of duct tape. He left a note asking his family not to report his theft to the police.

By the afternoon of March 21, Bucklew began surreptitiously following Ray as she left work and ran errands, ultimately discovering where she lived by following her to Sanders trailer.

Bucklew waited for some period of time before he knocked on Sander’s trailer door. One of Sander’s children opened the door. Sanders saw Bucklew through the window, escorted the children to a back bedroom and grabbed a shotgun. Bucklew entered the trailer with a pistol in each hand.

Sanders came into the hallway carrying a shotgun. Bucklew yelled "get down" and without further warning began shooting at Sanders. Sanders fell, struck by two bullets, one of which entered his chest and tore through his lung. Sanders dropped the shotgun. It went off and blew a hole in the trailer wall.

Bucklew aimed the gun at Sanders’s head but when he saw Sander’s six-year-old son. Bucklew fired at the boy instead. The shot missed.

Ray stepped between Bucklew and Sanders, who was holding his chest as he slumped against the wall. Bucklew invited Ray to drop to her knees. When she delayed, he struck her face with the pistol. He produced handcuffs, handcuffed her hands behind her back and dragged her to the car. The two drove away.

During the journey that followed, Bucklew demanded sex. When all of the acts he demanded were not performed, Bucklew raped Ray in the back seat of the car. Resuming the journey, Bucklew drove north on Interstate 55.

By this time law enforcement authorities had broadcast a description of the Bucklew car. Trooper James Hedrich saw the car, called for assistance, and began following Bucklew. They ultimately apprehended Bucklew after a gunfight in which both a trooper and Bucklew were wounded by gunshot.

Michael Sanders bled to death from his wounds.

His victim bled to death...I am not concerned if this trash chokes on his own blood.  He should have made better life choices than killing his former GFs livin and raping her before being apprehended.  The world is way overpopulated.  No need to keep scum like this alive...

Thirty Bills Unpaid

HughFreakingDillon said:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/02/opinions/supreme-court-cruel-death-row-ruling-filipovic/index.html

this is some sick shit. 

good ol' conservative 'murica

Not even remotely close to how sick his crimes were. And if he's worried or anxious over his fate... his anxiety is not even in the same hemisphere as his victims' was during his reign of terror.

That being said: there's likely a better way to send him where he needs to go. Use Plan B, but for gawds sakes... enough oatmeal and scrambled eggs for breakfast coupled with a laundry service and Netflix.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

This guy's living the life in federal prison! The guy makes cash, watches sitcoms and movies, stays in touch with his kids, and follows politics. His victims have decomposed by now, but how lovely for him!

 https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/convicted-murderer-drew-peterson-says-hes-living-the-dream-in-prison/ar-BBVEWjG?ocid=spartanntp

Bottom line (it's a common theme): a fate far too great for him given what he did.

Meltdown99

Texas woman charged after 3-year-old son killed in an apparent game of ‘chicken’

https://trib.al/8Ys7GKB?fbclid=IwAR0dykt-JWw3izGBUeZH03lsP7BjY-xaukkaG21-ayuJNJdlUMeQmaoTy6U

She can fucking go...Evil bitch...who the fuck would do that to a child should see the gallows...

pdalowsky

Great documentary on TV in the uk last night with Susannah Reid visiting Death Row and following a guys journey to the gurney. 

ITV played 'The End' at the time they were outsdie the chamber and the guy was taking his last breath. The song seemed extremely appropriate. 

Well worth a watch anyway, and just struck me as PJ never feature on shows in the UK. 

pdalowsky

Ive been revisiting the Glossip case a lot too this last week or so. 

How on earth is that guy still in prison? That is complete bullshit. 

OKC are now trying to have an appropriate gas mask created to use nitrogen gas after failing to source anything suitable so far.......absolute joke. 

Spiritual_Chaos

https://youtu.be/ExS7UxodO1w

drakeheuer14

Let them rot, but deciding to take their life is not the proper response. An eye for an eye is a dangerous precedent. 

pdalowsky

Having followed the last couple of death penalty matters out there, its got me scratching my head. Especially the one last night, if Im reading things right there was a refusal to have a hearing at every juncture on the guys mental disability because it wasnt raised at the right time. Overwhelming evidence that the guy was a very very uneducated and childlike man in terms of his capacity, and they killed him regardless. 

Biden may just be the breath of fresh air needed to stop these horrible occurences

OnWis97

The primary reason I am anti-death-penalty.

Convicted murderer executed in Arkansas and now someone else's DNA calls the conviction into question. But, you know, a small price to pay to get that sweet retribution.

https://katv.com/news/local/tests-reveal-dna-evidence-in-executed-arkansas-inmates-case

I don't know whether he did it or not. But this can obviously happen...

gimmesometruth27

i saw south carolina brought back the firing squad.

not to be outdone, alabama is bringing back the guillotine, and florida is bringing back the catherine wheel.