The Death Penalty

HughFreakingDillon

with the exception of Wind River, and of course Hard Core Logo, I generally don't think much of his acting. Haven't seen Dark Harvest.  

Thirty Bills Unpaid

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/crimeincanada/weve-got-her-hopeful-officer-yelled-upon-discovery-of-childs-body-downey-murder-trial-hears/ar-BBQjPEX?ocid=spartanntp

He needs to go. I know it's not a possibility. A human being is not capable of doing such a thing- a reptile is though.

What a f**king drag.

oftenreading

Interesting article on the DP in the US that highlights concerns around inequitable application, among other problems.

The line "there are no wealthy people on death row" really sums it up.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/opinion-america-death-penalty-crisis_us_5bf5a203e4b0eb6d930b1201

Thirty Bills Unpaid

oftenreading said:

Interesting article on the DP in the US that highlights concerns around inequitable application, among other problems.

The line "there are no wealthy people on death row" really sums it up.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/opinion-america-death-penalty-crisis_us_5bf5a203e4b0eb6d930b1201

That line doesn't actually sum it up as tidily as you suggest- it's much more complex than get the poor. There are many factors why wealthy people aren't on death row as much as poor people (education, upbringing, the ability to pay for a strong defence, etc.). 

The piece you submitted calls to question current practices for administering the DP. I agree that we need to get better at executing people that need to be executed; however, I'm not losing an ounce of sleep over some of the botched executions the piece describes.

For example, am I supposed to feel sorry for Clayton Lockett because his execution was a calamity? Because if I am... I don't. His last victim was kidnapped, beaten, sodomized, and buried alive. Her ordeal was a hell of a lot worse and completely undeserved, yet this article doesn't speak to that aspect of this case when it tries to paint Lockett as a victim here.

oftenreading

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

oftenreading said:

Interesting article on the DP in the US that highlights concerns around inequitable application, among other problems.

The line "there are no wealthy people on death row" really sums it up.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/opinion-america-death-penalty-crisis_us_5bf5a203e4b0eb6d930b1201

That line doesn't actually sum it up as tidily as you suggest- it's much more complex than get the poor. There are many factors why wealthy people aren't on death row as much as poor people (education, upbringing, the ability to pay for a strong defence, etc.). 

The piece you submitted calls to question current practices for administering the DP. I agree that we need to get better at executing people that need to be executed; however, I'm not losing an ounce of sleep over some of the botched executions the piece describes.

For example, am I supposed to feel sorry for Clayton Lockett because his execution was a calamity? Because if I am... I don't. His last victim was kidnapped, beaten, sodomized, and buried alive. Her ordeal was a hell of a lot worse and completely undeserved, yet this article doesn't speak to that aspect of this case when it tries to paint Lockett as a victim here.

Did I say that the point was “get the poor”? Of course not. The whole point is the inequity in ability to pay for a competent defence, given that the crimes of the poor are not by definition any worse than the crimes of the rich. 

Thirty Bills Unpaid

oftenreading said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

oftenreading said:

Interesting article on the DP in the US that highlights concerns around inequitable application, among other problems.

The line "there are no wealthy people on death row" really sums it up.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/opinion-america-death-penalty-crisis_us_5bf5a203e4b0eb6d930b1201

That line doesn't actually sum it up as tidily as you suggest- it's much more complex than get the poor. There are many factors why wealthy people aren't on death row as much as poor people (education, upbringing, the ability to pay for a strong defence, etc.). 

The piece you submitted calls to question current practices for administering the DP. I agree that we need to get better at executing people that need to be executed; however, I'm not losing an ounce of sleep over some of the botched executions the piece describes.

For example, am I supposed to feel sorry for Clayton Lockett because his execution was a calamity? Because if I am... I don't. His last victim was kidnapped, beaten, sodomized, and buried alive. Her ordeal was a hell of a lot worse and completely undeserved, yet this article doesn't speak to that aspect of this case when it tries to paint Lockett as a victim here.

Did I say that the point was “get the poor”? Of course not. The whole point is the inequity in ability to pay for a competent defence, given that the crimes of the poor are not by definition any worse than the crimes of the rich. 

So are you saying the poor need a more equitable method of getting away with murder?

My way of looking at this is to determine how we can limit lawyers and their savviness for helping rich clients get away with murder through the exploitation of well-intended law.

oftenreading

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

oftenreading said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

oftenreading said:

Interesting article on the DP in the US that highlights concerns around inequitable application, among other problems.

The line "there are no wealthy people on death row" really sums it up.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/opinion-america-death-penalty-crisis_us_5bf5a203e4b0eb6d930b1201

That line doesn't actually sum it up as tidily as you suggest- it's much more complex than get the poor. There are many factors why wealthy people aren't on death row as much as poor people (education, upbringing, the ability to pay for a strong defence, etc.). 

The piece you submitted calls to question current practices for administering the DP. I agree that we need to get better at executing people that need to be executed; however, I'm not losing an ounce of sleep over some of the botched executions the piece describes.

For example, am I supposed to feel sorry for Clayton Lockett because his execution was a calamity? Because if I am... I don't. His last victim was kidnapped, beaten, sodomized, and buried alive. Her ordeal was a hell of a lot worse and completely undeserved, yet this article doesn't speak to that aspect of this case when it tries to paint Lockett as a victim here.

Did I say that the point was “get the poor”? Of course not. The whole point is the inequity in ability to pay for a competent defence, given that the crimes of the poor are not by definition any worse than the crimes of the rich. 

So are you saying the poor need a more equitable method of getting away with murder?

My way of looking at this is to determine how we can limit lawyers and their savviness for helping rich clients get away with murder through the exploitation of well-intended law.

Oh jeez.  This again. 

Just look at the numbers of falsely convicted on death row, and the numbers that have been executed despite strong evidence of guilt, to see what I mean, instead of imposing your own garbage on me. 

Thirty Bills Unpaid

oftenreading said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

oftenreading said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

oftenreading said:

Interesting article on the DP in the US that highlights concerns around inequitable application, among other problems.

The line "there are no wealthy people on death row" really sums it up.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/opinion-america-death-penalty-crisis_us_5bf5a203e4b0eb6d930b1201

That line doesn't actually sum it up as tidily as you suggest- it's much more complex than get the poor. There are many factors why wealthy people aren't on death row as much as poor people (education, upbringing, the ability to pay for a strong defence, etc.). 

The piece you submitted calls to question current practices for administering the DP. I agree that we need to get better at executing people that need to be executed; however, I'm not losing an ounce of sleep over some of the botched executions the piece describes.

For example, am I supposed to feel sorry for Clayton Lockett because his execution was a calamity? Because if I am... I don't. His last victim was kidnapped, beaten, sodomized, and buried alive. Her ordeal was a hell of a lot worse and completely undeserved, yet this article doesn't speak to that aspect of this case when it tries to paint Lockett as a victim here.

Did I say that the point was “get the poor”? Of course not. The whole point is the inequity in ability to pay for a competent defence, given that the crimes of the poor are not by definition any worse than the crimes of the rich. 

So are you saying the poor need a more equitable method of getting away with murder?

My way of looking at this is to determine how we can limit lawyers and their savviness for helping rich clients get away with murder through the exploitation of well-intended law.

Oh jeez.  This again. 

Just look at the numbers of falsely convicted on death row, and the numbers that have been executed despite strong evidence of guilt, to see what I mean, instead of imposing your own garbage on me. 

When you said: The whole point is the inequity in ability to pay for a competent defence, given that the crimes of the poor are not by definition any worse than the crimes of the rich... we weren't exactly talking about false conviction rates (which are somewhere in the neighbourhood of 4% of all convictions). We were talking about the claim your article made that 'there are no wealthy people on death row'.

There were no numbers supporting such a sweeping claim. There wasn't even a definition of what 'wealthy' might even be in the context presented. The inequitable application would certainly have something to do with the opportunity to afford a stronger defence that might generate an acquittal; however, there are a number of other significant factors attributing to such a situation (it's not so simple that one can comfortably chalk it up to 'really poor defences').

Further, the entire wrongful conviction concept falls on the trial process versus the sentencing process in my mind.

Meltdown99

Kidnapping suspect targeted Jayme Closs after seeing her get on school bus

https://globalnews.ca/news/4847192/jayme-closs-suspect-jake-patterson/?utm_source=GlobalNational&utm_medium=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR0pG_2QWLKer6liPzvKIs4ekq6LXbxgPKg9uT4-Hm8A0QuuyOFk7tOuIms

He can go. Maybe he will get Dahmered.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Meltdown99 said:

Kidnapping suspect targeted Jayme Closs after seeing her get on school bus

https://globalnews.ca/news/4847192/jayme-closs-suspect-jake-patterson/?utm_source=GlobalNational&utm_medium=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR0pG_2QWLKer6liPzvKIs4ekq6LXbxgPKg9uT4-Hm8A0QuuyOFk7tOuIms

He can go. Maybe he will get Dahmered.

What a loser.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

So I watched the Bundy Files on Netflix.

I forgot a lot about that story- in particular, his two escapes from jail (the second allowing him to make his way to Florida and slayed three more women). I don't know which is worse- the Dahmer cops that let Dahmer take his young victim back to his house after he had escaped it- naked and bloody... or the jailhouse idiots that let him escape TWICE?

An appalling story for so many reasons- one being how much he thought of himself and how little he regarded the beautiful women he murdered (he truly saw them as insignificant). He was a sociopath of the highest order.

He sure thought he was cute and clever at his trial. I loved his expression when the verdicts were read. 

As we all know, he was executed. There was a big festival outside the prison when the execution took place- people rejoicing in the fact that Ted was frying. I didn't care for the party Floridians held as Ted paid for his crimes, but I feel the DP was the only penalty fitting for the prick given his crimes were so egregious. If we can spray mosquitoes with Off without batting an eye... then we can fry a hunk of shit like Ted.

(By the way... I loved Jane's Addiction's Ted, Just Admit It.)

PJ_Soul

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

So I watched the Bundy Files on Netflix.

I forgot a lot about that story- in particular, his two escapes from jail (the second allowing him to make his way to Florida and slayed three more women). I don't know which is worse- the Dahmer cops that let Dahmer take his young victim back to his house after he had escaped it- naked and bloody... or the jailhouse idiots that let him escape TWICE?

An appalling story for so many reasons- one being how much he thought of himself and how little he regarded the beautiful women he murdered (he truly saw them as insignificant). He was a sociopath of the highest order.

He sure thought he was cute and clever at his trial. I loved his expression when the verdicts were read. 

As we all know, he was executed. There was a big festival outside the prison when the execution took place- people rejoicing in the fact that Ted was frying. I didn't care for the party Floridians held as Ted paid for his crimes, but I feel the DP was the only penalty fitting for the prick given his crimes were so egregious. If we can spray mosquitoes with Off without batting an eye... then we can fry a hunk of shit like Ted.

(By the way... I loved Jane's Addiction's Ted, Just Admit It.)

Yeah, I mentioned in the Netflix thread that I was reminded by this show that that incident definitely triggered by opposition to the death penalty, because I was so stricken and repulsed by that party outside. It was a great metaphor for why the DP is all about vengeance and a blood lust and a disregard for the taking of a life. It fully demonstrates the moral absurdity of capital punishment IMO.

Meltdown99

Bruce McArthur killer of 8 people can go as well.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

So I watched the Bundy Files on Netflix.

I forgot a lot about that story- in particular, his two escapes from jail (the second allowing him to make his way to Florida and slayed three more women). I don't know which is worse- the Dahmer cops that let Dahmer take his young victim back to his house after he had escaped it- naked and bloody... or the jailhouse idiots that let him escape TWICE?

An appalling story for so many reasons- one being how much he thought of himself and how little he regarded the beautiful women he murdered (he truly saw them as insignificant). He was a sociopath of the highest order.

He sure thought he was cute and clever at his trial. I loved his expression when the verdicts were read. 

As we all know, he was executed. There was a big festival outside the prison when the execution took place- people rejoicing in the fact that Ted was frying. I didn't care for the party Floridians held as Ted paid for his crimes, but I feel the DP was the only penalty fitting for the prick given his crimes were so egregious. If we can spray mosquitoes with Off without batting an eye... then we can fry a hunk of shit like Ted.

(By the way... I loved Jane's Addiction's Ted, Just Admit It.)

Yeah, I mentioned in the Netflix thread that I was reminded by this show that that incident definitely triggered by opposition to the death penalty, because I was so stricken and repulsed by that party outside. It was a great metaphor for why the DP is all about vengeance and a blood lust and a disregard for the taking of a life. It fully demonstrates the moral absurdity of capital punishment IMO.

It also demonstrated the value of the DP to silence such a horrific human being who simply put- wasn't worthy of life. His victims (and survivors) didn't need him flaunting his grotesque existence.

But I agree with you regarding the 'party' atmosphere- completely unnecessary (although understood- there'll be big parties when Trump is dumped too).

PJ_Soul

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

So I watched the Bundy Files on Netflix.

I forgot a lot about that story- in particular, his two escapes from jail (the second allowing him to make his way to Florida and slayed three more women). I don't know which is worse- the Dahmer cops that let Dahmer take his young victim back to his house after he had escaped it- naked and bloody... or the jailhouse idiots that let him escape TWICE?

An appalling story for so many reasons- one being how much he thought of himself and how little he regarded the beautiful women he murdered (he truly saw them as insignificant). He was a sociopath of the highest order.

He sure thought he was cute and clever at his trial. I loved his expression when the verdicts were read. 

As we all know, he was executed. There was a big festival outside the prison when the execution took place- people rejoicing in the fact that Ted was frying. I didn't care for the party Floridians held as Ted paid for his crimes, but I feel the DP was the only penalty fitting for the prick given his crimes were so egregious. If we can spray mosquitoes with Off without batting an eye... then we can fry a hunk of shit like Ted.

(By the way... I loved Jane's Addiction's Ted, Just Admit It.)

Yeah, I mentioned in the Netflix thread that I was reminded by this show that that incident definitely triggered by opposition to the death penalty, because I was so stricken and repulsed by that party outside. It was a great metaphor for why the DP is all about vengeance and a blood lust and a disregard for the taking of a life. It fully demonstrates the moral absurdity of capital punishment IMO.

It also demonstrated the value of the DP to silence such a horrific human being who simply put- wasn't worthy of life. His victims (and survivors) didn't need him flaunting his grotesque existence.

But I agree with you regarding the 'party' atmosphere- completely unnecessary (although understood- there'll be big parties when Trump is dumped too).

I have to disagree on that point too... Nobody had to pay him any attention in prison. He could have easily been silenced by not letting him have reporters come and talk to him. Also, days before he was murdered, he decided to try and delay it by starting to reveal where all the unrecovered bodies were. Some of those vicitms were Jane Does. I bet there are some families out there who still don't actually know what happened to their daughters. Bundy might have lead authorities to those victims if he hadn't been killed.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

So I watched the Bundy Files on Netflix.

I forgot a lot about that story- in particular, his two escapes from jail (the second allowing him to make his way to Florida and slayed three more women). I don't know which is worse- the Dahmer cops that let Dahmer take his young victim back to his house after he had escaped it- naked and bloody... or the jailhouse idiots that let him escape TWICE?

An appalling story for so many reasons- one being how much he thought of himself and how little he regarded the beautiful women he murdered (he truly saw them as insignificant). He was a sociopath of the highest order.

He sure thought he was cute and clever at his trial. I loved his expression when the verdicts were read. 

As we all know, he was executed. There was a big festival outside the prison when the execution took place- people rejoicing in the fact that Ted was frying. I didn't care for the party Floridians held as Ted paid for his crimes, but I feel the DP was the only penalty fitting for the prick given his crimes were so egregious. If we can spray mosquitoes with Off without batting an eye... then we can fry a hunk of shit like Ted.

(By the way... I loved Jane's Addiction's Ted, Just Admit It.)

Yeah, I mentioned in the Netflix thread that I was reminded by this show that that incident definitely triggered by opposition to the death penalty, because I was so stricken and repulsed by that party outside. It was a great metaphor for why the DP is all about vengeance and a blood lust and a disregard for the taking of a life. It fully demonstrates the moral absurdity of capital punishment IMO.

It also demonstrated the value of the DP to silence such a horrific human being who simply put- wasn't worthy of life. His victims (and survivors) didn't need him flaunting his grotesque existence.

But I agree with you regarding the 'party' atmosphere- completely unnecessary (although understood- there'll be big parties when Trump is dumped too).

I have to disagree on that point too... Nobody had to pay him any attention in prison. He could have easily been silenced by not letting him have reporters come and talk to him. Also, days before he was murdered, he decided to try and delay it by starting to reveal where all the unrecovered bodies were. Some of those vicitms were Jane Does. I bet there are some families out there who still don't actually know what happened to their daughters. Bundy might have lead authorities to those victims if he hadn't been killed.

We can disagree.

Cheers!

PJ_Soul

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

So I watched the Bundy Files on Netflix.

I forgot a lot about that story- in particular, his two escapes from jail (the second allowing him to make his way to Florida and slayed three more women). I don't know which is worse- the Dahmer cops that let Dahmer take his young victim back to his house after he had escaped it- naked and bloody... or the jailhouse idiots that let him escape TWICE?

An appalling story for so many reasons- one being how much he thought of himself and how little he regarded the beautiful women he murdered (he truly saw them as insignificant). He was a sociopath of the highest order.

He sure thought he was cute and clever at his trial. I loved his expression when the verdicts were read. 

As we all know, he was executed. There was a big festival outside the prison when the execution took place- people rejoicing in the fact that Ted was frying. I didn't care for the party Floridians held as Ted paid for his crimes, but I feel the DP was the only penalty fitting for the prick given his crimes were so egregious. If we can spray mosquitoes with Off without batting an eye... then we can fry a hunk of shit like Ted.

(By the way... I loved Jane's Addiction's Ted, Just Admit It.)

Yeah, I mentioned in the Netflix thread that I was reminded by this show that that incident definitely triggered by opposition to the death penalty, because I was so stricken and repulsed by that party outside. It was a great metaphor for why the DP is all about vengeance and a blood lust and a disregard for the taking of a life. It fully demonstrates the moral absurdity of capital punishment IMO.

It also demonstrated the value of the DP to silence such a horrific human being who simply put- wasn't worthy of life. His victims (and survivors) didn't need him flaunting his grotesque existence.

But I agree with you regarding the 'party' atmosphere- completely unnecessary (although understood- there'll be big parties when Trump is dumped too).

I have to disagree on that point too... Nobody had to pay him any attention in prison. He could have easily been silenced by not letting him have reporters come and talk to him. Also, days before he was murdered, he decided to try and delay it by starting to reveal where all the unrecovered bodies were. Some of those vicitms were Jane Does. I bet there are some families out there who still don't actually know what happened to their daughters. Bundy might have lead authorities to those victims if he hadn't been killed.

We can disagree.

Cheers!

I never understood how they could justify putting any serial killer to death, when in so many cases they say they suspect they killed far more people than he was convicted of, and far more people than they have been able to identify. I think the #1 priority should be to get any and all info out of that killer so that they can try and solve a ton of cold cases related to the convict. Murdering them while they believe he committed more murders than they know about makes absolutely no sense to me. I never see supporters of the DP worry about that, but I never understood why it wasn't higher on their priority list than vengeance.

cincybearcat

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

So I watched the Bundy Files on Netflix.

I forgot a lot about that story- in particular, his two escapes from jail (the second allowing him to make his way to Florida and slayed three more women). I don't know which is worse- the Dahmer cops that let Dahmer take his young victim back to his house after he had escaped it- naked and bloody... or the jailhouse idiots that let him escape TWICE?

An appalling story for so many reasons- one being how much he thought of himself and how little he regarded the beautiful women he murdered (he truly saw them as insignificant). He was a sociopath of the highest order.

He sure thought he was cute and clever at his trial. I loved his expression when the verdicts were read. 

As we all know, he was executed. There was a big festival outside the prison when the execution took place- people rejoicing in the fact that Ted was frying. I didn't care for the party Floridians held as Ted paid for his crimes, but I feel the DP was the only penalty fitting for the prick given his crimes were so egregious. If we can spray mosquitoes with Off without batting an eye... then we can fry a hunk of shit like Ted.

(By the way... I loved Jane's Addiction's Ted, Just Admit It.)

Yeah, I mentioned in the Netflix thread that I was reminded by this show that that incident definitely triggered by opposition to the death penalty, because I was so stricken and repulsed by that party outside. It was a great metaphor for why the DP is all about vengeance and a blood lust and a disregard for the taking of a life. It fully demonstrates the moral absurdity of capital punishment IMO.

It also demonstrated the value of the DP to silence such a horrific human being who simply put- wasn't worthy of life. His victims (and survivors) didn't need him flaunting his grotesque existence.

But I agree with you regarding the 'party' atmosphere- completely unnecessary (although understood- there'll be big parties when Trump is dumped too).

I have to disagree on that point too... Nobody had to pay him any attention in prison. He could have easily been silenced by not letting him have reporters come and talk to him. Also, days before he was murdered, he decided to try and delay it by starting to reveal where all the unrecovered bodies were. Some of those vicitms were Jane Does. I bet there are some families out there who still don't actually know what happened to their daughters. Bundy might have lead authorities to those victims if he hadn't been killed.

We can disagree.

Cheers!

I never understood how they could justify putting any serial killer to death, when in so many cases they say they suspect they killed far more people than he was convicted of, and far more people than they have been able to identify. I think the #1 priority should be to get any and all info out of that killer so that they can try and solve a ton of cold cases related to the convict. Murdering them while they believe he committed more murders than they know about makes absolutely no sense to me. I never see supporters of the DP worry about that, but I never understood why it wasn't higher on their priority list than vengeance.

Ted Bundy broke out of jail and killed more people. It’s not always about vegence. 

It is an interesting point you raise but I’m guessing they got to a point where they were no longer getting information. 

Thirty Bills Unpaid

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

So I watched the Bundy Files on Netflix.

I forgot a lot about that story- in particular, his two escapes from jail (the second allowing him to make his way to Florida and slayed three more women). I don't know which is worse- the Dahmer cops that let Dahmer take his young victim back to his house after he had escaped it- naked and bloody... or the jailhouse idiots that let him escape TWICE?

An appalling story for so many reasons- one being how much he thought of himself and how little he regarded the beautiful women he murdered (he truly saw them as insignificant). He was a sociopath of the highest order.

He sure thought he was cute and clever at his trial. I loved his expression when the verdicts were read. 

As we all know, he was executed. There was a big festival outside the prison when the execution took place- people rejoicing in the fact that Ted was frying. I didn't care for the party Floridians held as Ted paid for his crimes, but I feel the DP was the only penalty fitting for the prick given his crimes were so egregious. If we can spray mosquitoes with Off without batting an eye... then we can fry a hunk of shit like Ted.

(By the way... I loved Jane's Addiction's Ted, Just Admit It.)

Yeah, I mentioned in the Netflix thread that I was reminded by this show that that incident definitely triggered by opposition to the death penalty, because I was so stricken and repulsed by that party outside. It was a great metaphor for why the DP is all about vengeance and a blood lust and a disregard for the taking of a life. It fully demonstrates the moral absurdity of capital punishment IMO.

It also demonstrated the value of the DP to silence such a horrific human being who simply put- wasn't worthy of life. His victims (and survivors) didn't need him flaunting his grotesque existence.

But I agree with you regarding the 'party' atmosphere- completely unnecessary (although understood- there'll be big parties when Trump is dumped too).

I have to disagree on that point too... Nobody had to pay him any attention in prison. He could have easily been silenced by not letting him have reporters come and talk to him. Also, days before he was murdered, he decided to try and delay it by starting to reveal where all the unrecovered bodies were. Some of those vicitms were Jane Does. I bet there are some families out there who still don't actually know what happened to their daughters. Bundy might have lead authorities to those victims if he hadn't been killed.

We can disagree.

Cheers!

I never understood how they could justify putting any serial killer to death, when in so many cases they say they suspect they killed far more people than he was convicted of, and far more people than they have been able to identify. I think the #1 priority should be to get any and all info out of that killer so that they can try and solve a ton of cold cases related to the convict. Murdering them while they believe he committed more murders than they know about makes absolutely no sense to me. I never see supporters of the DP worry about that, but I never understood why it wasn't higher on their priority list than vengeance.

Because their victims deserve 'justice'. You're calling it 'vengeance', but others (like me) don't see it that way.

The penalty should fit the crime: look at the photos of those women. Think of their last moments and how horrific those moments were. Think of the brutality that was repeatedly demonstrated. Think of the survivors trying to reconcile what happened and move forward with some level of closure. And then think what should naturally occur as a result. If one thinks a comfy mattress with warm meals cooked for them, movies, and a laundry service is appropriate... then I'm not too sure what to say?

Anyways... we can disagree. Cheers!

PJ_Soul

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

So I watched the Bundy Files on Netflix.

I forgot a lot about that story- in particular, his two escapes from jail (the second allowing him to make his way to Florida and slayed three more women). I don't know which is worse- the Dahmer cops that let Dahmer take his young victim back to his house after he had escaped it- naked and bloody... or the jailhouse idiots that let him escape TWICE?

An appalling story for so many reasons- one being how much he thought of himself and how little he regarded the beautiful women he murdered (he truly saw them as insignificant). He was a sociopath of the highest order.

He sure thought he was cute and clever at his trial. I loved his expression when the verdicts were read. 

As we all know, he was executed. There was a big festival outside the prison when the execution took place- people rejoicing in the fact that Ted was frying. I didn't care for the party Floridians held as Ted paid for his crimes, but I feel the DP was the only penalty fitting for the prick given his crimes were so egregious. If we can spray mosquitoes with Off without batting an eye... then we can fry a hunk of shit like Ted.

(By the way... I loved Jane's Addiction's Ted, Just Admit It.)

Yeah, I mentioned in the Netflix thread that I was reminded by this show that that incident definitely triggered by opposition to the death penalty, because I was so stricken and repulsed by that party outside. It was a great metaphor for why the DP is all about vengeance and a blood lust and a disregard for the taking of a life. It fully demonstrates the moral absurdity of capital punishment IMO.

It also demonstrated the value of the DP to silence such a horrific human being who simply put- wasn't worthy of life. His victims (and survivors) didn't need him flaunting his grotesque existence.

But I agree with you regarding the 'party' atmosphere- completely unnecessary (although understood- there'll be big parties when Trump is dumped too).

I have to disagree on that point too... Nobody had to pay him any attention in prison. He could have easily been silenced by not letting him have reporters come and talk to him. Also, days before he was murdered, he decided to try and delay it by starting to reveal where all the unrecovered bodies were. Some of those vicitms were Jane Does. I bet there are some families out there who still don't actually know what happened to their daughters. Bundy might have lead authorities to those victims if he hadn't been killed.

We can disagree.

Cheers!

I never understood how they could justify putting any serial killer to death, when in so many cases they say they suspect they killed far more people than he was convicted of, and far more people than they have been able to identify. I think the #1 priority should be to get any and all info out of that killer so that they can try and solve a ton of cold cases related to the convict. Murdering them while they believe he committed more murders than they know about makes absolutely no sense to me. I never see supporters of the DP worry about that, but I never understood why it wasn't higher on their priority list than vengeance.

Ted Bundy broke out of jail and killed more people. It’s not always about vegence. 

It is an interesting point you raise but I’m guessing they got to a point where they were no longer getting information. 

Yeah, but he wasn't going to break out of maximum security prison. He broke out of an office in a courthouse, and then out of a jail cell with a hole in the ceiling and killed more people, before he even had a trial. So that doesn't really mean anything as far as the reasoning behind the DP goes. Nobody in maximum security prison, convicted for crimes like that, is going to be able to escape. I totally agree that making sure violent criminals aren't a danger to society is a HUGE deal... that is why some of the sentences we see for violent people piss me off so much.