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  • unbelievable... I thought we got past these issues in the 50s and 60s? Should a person be allowed to do whatever they would like to do, as long as it doesn't harm you or infringe upon any of your freedoms directly? I can't imagine why anyone would EVER answer that question with a "no."
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • pandora wrote:
    Go Beavers wrote:
    Maybe I'm confused, but let's clarify. You're saying your friend is making the choice to be with same sex partners, but they aren't 'truly' gay or bi? But after time, they decided they are bi by default? Of course I don't know your friend, but it sounds like they are bisexual and avoiding opposite sex partners due to their trauma history and current response to that trauma.
    yes
    my point childhood trauma can and does effect ones sexuality,
    this in the case of a few of my friends who are now living a gay lifestyle.

    they feel that they would not have been bisexual
    nor chose a same sex life partner if they had not been sexually traumatized.
    This trauma was life changing for them.

    But this is their path and this is who they are
    all are happy in the choice they have made.
    They simply could not be happy with the opposite sex
    this became clear after failing heterosexual relationships and marriage.
    It's certainly unfortunate that the "thought-I-was-straight-then-thought-I-was-bi-but-turns-out-I'm-gay-cause-I-was-abused" scenario is common enough for you to know multiple people willing to speak so openly with you about the trauma that turned them gay.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    pandora wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Why does everyone of your posts resemble a manifesto, or inventory?

    it's easier to read ... each thought a point... a complete thought

    Actually, it isn't. It's just irritating, which is why I now tend to read just the first sentence and ignore the rest.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    edited September 2011
    Byrnzie wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Why does everyone of your posts resemble a manifesto, or inventory?

    it's easier to read ... each thought a point... a complete thought

    Actually, it isn't. It's just irritating, which is why I now tend to read just the first sentence and ignore the rest.
    edit.... I'll just say ok.... that quick response came out wrong :oops:
    Post edited by pandora on
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    pandora wrote:
    Go Beavers wrote:
    Maybe I'm confused, but let's clarify. You're saying your friend is making the choice to be with same sex partners, but they aren't 'truly' gay or bi? But after time, they decided they are bi by default? Of course I don't know your friend, but it sounds like they are bisexual and avoiding opposite sex partners due to their trauma history and current response to that trauma.
    yes
    my point childhood trauma can and does effect ones sexuality,
    this in the case of a few of my friends who are now living a gay lifestyle.

    they feel that they would not have been bisexual
    nor chose a same sex life partner if they had not been sexually traumatized.
    This trauma was life changing for them.

    But this is their path and this is who they are
    all are happy in the choice they have made.
    They simply could not be happy with the opposite sex
    this became clear after failing heterosexual relationships and marriage.
    It's certainly unfortunate that the "thought-I-was-straight-then-thought-I-was-bi-but-turns-out-I'm-gay-cause-I-was-abused" scenario is common enough for you to know multiple people willing to speak so openly with you about the trauma that turned them gay.
    it is unfortunate ... but the way you put that sounds really uncaring towards someone who has lived it.

    This might be why I know multiple people who share with me
    they know and feel how much I care.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Go Beavers wrote:
    I understand your usage of the terms lifestyle and preference, but they are almost never used to describe heterosexuals. Using those terms implies that there is a choice. Preference means liking something vs. really liking something else. I prefer chocolate ice cream to vanilla, but in a pinch, I'll go with vanilla if that's the only option. The same can't be said of me and men.
    With my gay friends, the words are used,
    to describe whomever and we don't seem to get hung up on linguistics much.

    Maybe cause we don't separate, just accepting and loving of each other and respectful.

    Some are friends I have had 30++ years, very dear to me ... we are lifetime buds. :D
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    pandora wrote:
    edit.... I'll just say ok.... that quick response came out wrong :oops:

    Maybe it's a good job I missed it then :wink:

    Anyway, you can disregard my earlier comment. I was just having a grumpy day.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Byrnzie wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    edit.... I'll just say ok.... that quick response came out wrong :oops:

    Maybe it's a good job I missed it then :wink:

    Anyway, you can disregard my earlier comment. I was just having a grumpy day.
    it wasn't bad ... I am sorry cause it wasn't how I really feel

    I hope today is happy for you
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    A work colleague who is in the Chicago gay scene says Obama is bi. He went on to say it was a business partner that obama lived with before meeting the wife.
  • unsung wrote:
    A work colleague who is in the Chicago gay scene says Obama is bi. He went on to say it was a business partner that obama lived with before meeting the wife.

    Meh. Rand Paul is into young Asian guys 18-21.

    I heard it from my trainer's friend.