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chadwick

BinauralJam wrote:

Prince how do you feel about obvious famous gay people, who are still in the closet? For example:

or

Do you think they have a responsiblity to come out and champion equality or do you respect there right to stay in the closet?

purple rain, bitches
purple god damn rain...shit

Jason P

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Being gay is NEVER a "choice."

Deciding whether to live out as your self or hidden in accordance with the social rules of your community IS.

Nobody has ever decided to be gay. It has never happened. The people who say it has are the ones trying to come up with a good excuse for denying us basic human rights.

Perhaps not a choice, but do you believe that outside factors can physiologically influence someone in their adolescence?

mikepegg44

Jason P wrote:

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Being gay is NEVER a "choice."

Deciding whether to live out as your self or hidden in accordance with the social rules of your community IS.

Nobody has ever decided to be gay. It has never happened. The people who say it has are the ones trying to come up with a good excuse for denying us basic human rights.

Perhaps not a choice, but do you believe that outside factors can physiologically influence someone in their adolescence?

influence them to hide it, yes...influence whether or not they turn out gay...no.


it is more likely that you are gay and choose to act or "be" straight, than it is you are straight and choose to be gay

chadwick

rush limbaugh always preaches or did anyway on how terrible drug addicts are then gets found out that he is a raging drug addicted pill popper himself, purchasing drugs in parking lots in the shadows behind trash dumpsters.

i am sure he has bashed homosexuals with no care for the negativities he's spread on the air.

it would be safe to say, by carefully weighing the odds, that rush limbaugh would in fact smoke a pole vs' not smoking a pole.

that's just how i see things. i could be wrong, but im not

Godfather.

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

sometimes gay is a choice having a skin color at birth is not but I get your point thanks for the reply.


Godfather.

Being gay is NEVER a "choice."

Deciding whether to live out as your self or hidden in accordance with the social rules of your community IS.

Nobody has ever decided to be gay. It has never happened. The people who say it has are the ones trying to come up with a good excuse for denying us basic human rights.

so this gal I used to hang with swung both ways and enjoyed men more than women just a bit ,so was that a choice or a guilty pleasure she couldn't resist ?
I believe for some it was / is a choice but others I would agree not a choice, I watched my friends kid grow up and we knew he was gay very early in life..and yes he is today.

Godfather.

Prince Of Dorkness

BinauralJam wrote:

Prince how do you feel about obvious famous gay people, who are still in the closet? For example:


Do you think they have a responsiblity to come out and champion equality or do you respect there right to stay in the closet?

Prince is straight. He was assumed to be gay in the 80s because he dressed in a way that was meant to be provocative and shocking. But he's not gay. Although quite supportive of gay people.

Brain Williams I believe is also straight. Just soft-spoken.

However, there are different kinds of closet, aren't there?


Let's talk about the ones who ARE gay and not out like Anderson Cooper, Jodie Foster... they are openly gay in their private lives, very supportive of the community and just don't publicly talk about their private lives. That's fine... they harm no one and their careers of choice aren't about them.

Then there's the vaguely anti-gay people like Charlie Crist, former governor of Florida or Tom Cruise. Gay in his private life but keeps a beard... claims to be straight in public and often says anti-gay things or supports anti-gay causes.

Then there's people like Marcus Bachmann, George Rekkers, Larry Craig. They did everything in their power to hurt the gay community, won cheap political points by attacking the gay community, voted against basic rights for gay families and yet were all full-on pole smokers.

To be fair... Marcus Bachmann hasn't been caught red-handed. Yet. But girl... she's gayer than Christmas.

Prince Of Dorkness

Jason P wrote:

Perhaps not a choice, but do you believe that outside factors can physiologically influence someone in their adolescence?

No.

I knew I was gay from the time I was about 4. My father insists he knew from the time I was 2 hours old. He took one look at me and said "Jasun's gay. OK."

Considering how I had heterosexuality rammed down my throat for my whole life and it never turned me straight... no amount of watching Captain Jack Harkness kissing Ianto Jones will turn straight teenagers into anything but supportive straight friends.

Prince Of Dorkness

Godfather. wrote:

so this gal I used to hang with swung both ways and enjoyed men more than women just a bit ,so was that a choice or a guilty pleasure she couldn't resist ?
Godfather.

Bisexuality is also something that you just are or aren't.

no choice is given.

BinauralJam

I don't know,Captain Jack Harkness gives me thoughts..., But anyway, Anderson Cooper, that's what it is about him! Can we also agree that Jodi Foster is atleast Bi, i've had a serious crush on her my whole life.

BinauralJam

Price is gay, but he's a serious Jesus Freak and i think his own religous veiws won't let him admit to himself, But he's Flaming, Assless pants? Come On, that's not a publicity stunt. That's his inner gay crying for freedom.

Prince Of Dorkness

BinauralJam wrote:

I don't know,Captain Jack Harkness gives me thoughts...,

Yeah... that scene where he kissed the real Captain Jack... wow.

But anyway, Anderson Cooper, that's what it is about him!

He's quite open in his personal life. But doesn't talk about it publicly.

Can we also agree that Jodi Foster is atleast Bi, i've had a serious crush on her my whole life.

No. Sorry.

Joan Jett, either.

And Kelly McGillis. All lesbians. No heterosexuality there at all.

Prince Of Dorkness

BinauralJam wrote:

Price is gay, but he's a serious Jesus Freak and i think his own religous veiws won't let him admit to himself, But he's Flaming, Assless pants? Come On, that's not a publicity stunt. That's his inner gay crying for freedom.

No, that's the 80s. He's straight... just a guy who uses that style to get press and girls. He's never had a whisper of gay rumor about him that isn't based in his clothing style.

Prince Of Dorkness

For the record... other than leather men in pride parades, I don't know a single gay man who wears pants with no butt.

JonnyPistachio

A sidestory: I have read almost every Anne Rice book. I recall the gradual gay overtones that seemed to increase over the course of 4 of her books. She also wrote a series of books (claiming of Sleeping Beauty) under another name (An Rolequarle, I think) about soft-core porn involving many gay scenarios...
...Around this time I learned that she had a 10 year old boy in real life. At some point I thought to myself, he is going to be gay. Guess what?

Is it possible that environmental factors had anything to do with it (sometimes?) Never?

Btw, I do believe that 99.99% of the time it is not a choice.

pandora

I believe sexual abuse as a child can effect one's sexual choices as an adult
when there is a choice involved and sometimes there is


I believe some people who are in the gay lifestyle were not born that way
but factors, a combination of things, brought them to be happy there.

That is what it is all about finding happiness and the where you belong.

BinauralJam

JonnyPistachio wrote:

A sidestory: I have read almost every Anne Rice book. I recall the gradual gay overtones that seemed to increase over the course of 4 of her books. She also wrote a series of books (claiming of Sleeping Beauty) under another name (An Rolequarle, I think) about soft-core porn involving many gay scenarios...
...Around this time I learned that she had a 10 year old boy in real life. At some point I thought to myself, he is going to be gay. Guess what?

Is it possible that environmental factors had anything to do with it (sometimes?) Never?

Btw, I do believe that 99.99% of the time it is not a choice.

Even The Vampire Armand? i could only make it halfway through, just too much guy on guy for me.

Godfather.

pandora wrote:

I believe sexual abuse as a child can effect one's sexual choices as an adult
when there is a choice involved and sometimes there is


I believe some people who are in the gay lifestyle were not born that way
but factors, a combination of things, brought them to be happy there.

That is what it is all about finding happiness and the where you belong.

WOW !!! pandi I couldn't agree with you more,for some I believe that to be so true.


Godfather.

Prince Of Dorkness

pandora wrote:

I believe sexual abuse as a child can effect one's sexual choices as an adult
when there is a choice involved and sometimes there is

I believe some people who are in the gay lifestyle were not born that way
but factors, a combination of things, brought them to be happy there.

Oh good.

I was hoping to have someone say that being gay is a mental illness brought on by trauma and sexual abuse. It's been a while since I was slandered in a nice, pitying and condescending way.

For the record, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. And What you just said was rather obnoxious and offensive. There is no such thing as "the gay lifestyle" and gay people are not victims. Being gay isn't about "sexual choices" and it's not a mental disorder.

And when you spout your bullshit, you fan the flames of people like Godfather who are desperately looking for an excuse to deny my family equal rights and protections.

I'm so sick and tired of being told I don't need eqauakity, I just need a good doctor and Prozac.

pandora

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

pandora wrote:

I believe sexual abuse as a child can effect one's sexual choices as an adult
when there is a choice involved and sometimes there is

I believe some people who are in the gay lifestyle were not born that way
but factors, a combination of things, brought them to be happy there.

Oh good.

I was hoping to have someone say that being gay is a mental illness brought on by trauma and sexual abuse. It's been a while since I was slandered in a nice, pitying and condescending way.

For the record, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. And What you just said was rather obnoxious and offensive. There is no such thing as "the gay lifestyle" and gay people are not victims. Being gay isn't about "sexual choices" and it's not a mental disorder.

And when you spout your bullshit, you fan the flames of people like Godfather who are desperately looking for an excuse to deny my family equal rights and protections.

I'm so sick and tired of being told I don't need eqauakity, I just need a good doctor and Prozac.

Well perhaps NOT for you but I have friends who have told me otherwise,
lived exactly what I speak of and yes it is a choice for some ...

a happy choice and place.

why am I not shocked you see the negative in what I say when it was a positive post

and oh look you forgot to include the entire message behind my post ...

I said...

'That is what it is all about finding happiness and the where you belong'.

not once did I suggest it is a mental disorder, that a gay person need meds, that I was pitying anyone

you may have developed a bit of a chip on your shoulder and plan on jumping on someone because of it

you definitely twist my words to fit your hate cause your definition of what I said is wrong!

Prince Of Dorkness

pandora wrote:

why am I not shocked you see the negative in what I say when it was a positive post

A positive post?

You said that sexual abuse can make people choose to be gay. That's not positive.