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  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,237
    Prince Of Dorkness wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    why am I not shocked you see the negative in what I say when it was a positive post


    A positive post?

    You said that sexual abuse can make people choose to be gay. That's not positive.

    I have to say THIS thread and others I've learned quite a bit especially with I have to deal with at home. It's all good keep it going.

    Peace be with you'll
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Prince Of Dorkness wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    why am I not shocked you see the negative in what I say when it was a positive post


    A positive post?

    You said that sexual abuse can make people choose to be gay. That's not positive.
    It is a truth and it is a positive for the survivors of abuse and that is positive.

    As I said it is about finding happiness in life.

    Choosing a gay lifestyle is a positive and meant they found love
    and security in another human being after never thinking they could.

    Sexual abuse causes all trust and faith to be lost and often causes future dysfunction.
    I'd say that is living a negative and I'd say loving is a positive ...
    I've seen both and that was my point.

    But you believe there is no choice involved in being gay...
    I say you generalize because I have seen otherwise and know otherwise.

    I see nothing wrong in choosing to be gay for whatever reason...
    I don't understand why that would be considered a bad thing.

    A combination of factors and experiences make us who we are
    helps us make our choices... it is more than I was born this way...

    it is ...I was born this way, I walk my path and make my choices

    People follow their hearts to find happiness in life.... this is living
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    pandora wrote:
    It is a truth and it is a positive for the survivors of abuse and that is positive.

    As I said it is about finding happiness in life.

    Choosing a gay lifestyle is a positive and meant they found love
    and security in another human being after never thinking they could.

    Sexual abuse causes all trust and faith to be lost and often causes future dysfunction.
    I'd say that is living a negative and I'd say loving is a positive ...
    I've seen both and that was my point.

    But you believe there is no choice involved in being gay...
    I say you generalize because I have seen otherwise and know otherwise.

    I see nothing wrong in choosing to be gay for whatever reason...
    I don't understand why that would be considered a bad thing.

    A combination of factors and experiences make us who we are
    helps us make our choices... it is more than I was born this way...

    it is ...I was born this way, I walk my path and make my choices

    People follow their hearts to find happiness in life.... this is living

    Why does everyone of your posts resemble a manifesto, or inventory?
  • Prince Of Dorkness
    Prince Of Dorkness Posts: 3,763
    Tell me, pandora, what is "a gay lifesle?"

    I didn't get the handbook.

    (and no. You are wrong. Being sexually abused does not ever turn a person gay. No matter how hard people try to convince them of it. That is a very dangerous lie which is used by the evil christianazi brain butchers who push the Marcus Bachmann-style "reparative therapy" that often leads to teen suicides and anti-gay violence. I do not care how many people tell you that someone chooses to be gay. It does not happen.)
    I can't drive without Pearl Jam
  • Prince Of Dorkness
    Prince Of Dorkness Posts: 3,763
    pandora wrote:
    Sexual abuse causes all trust and faith to be lost and often causes future dysfunction.


    I would get banned for saying what I want to say to you. Just know how fucking angry you made me saying that being gay is a "dysfunction."

    It is not. Nor is it a "lifestyle."
    I can't drive without Pearl Jam
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,237
    Prince Of Dorkness wrote:
    Tell me, pandora, what is "a gay lifesle?"

    I didn't get the handbook.

    (and no. You are wrong. Being sexually abused does not ever turn a person gay. No matter how hard people try to convince them of it. That is a very dangerous lie which is used by the evil christianazi brain butchers who push the Marcus Bachmann-style "reparative therapy" that often leads to teen suicides and anti-gay violence. I do not care how many people tell you that someone chooses to be gay. It does not happen.)

    Even though it's late and I'm dog dead tired after my two sons football game today something hit me about choosing to be gay or not. I've been trying to keep up with this thread via the phone but I must share this tonight. It dawned on me today that there can't be such a thing as choosing to be gay or straight. When I turned 14-15 years old I certainly wasn't thinking about making a choice to be straight and I'm sure the very same thing is happening with my son. He happens to be what he is at this time....there is NO choosing to live a certain way or NOT just like I didn't make any choice to be straight.

    Finally that has come to my mind, I don't know if it was the wine or my son's outstanding play today that gave our team it's win in the toughfest game they've played so far. I think what changed my mind about this was turning things around and putting myself where he is as a teen and what i was going through. Did anyone else out there made a choice to be straight at whatever moment the question hit them if it did at all? I just happen to have a thing for redheads, nice nice feet and good teeth.

    To me NOW this has to be something that starts from birth and there's not much that's going to change that situation....some men and women choose to hide it that they're gay but it eventually it overwhelms them that their true happiness comes from someone of their same sex. Even THAT situation in my family has happened two times over. Wow I'm running the gammit of the gay community.

    Peace and OneLove
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Prince Of Dorkness wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    Sexual abuse causes all trust and faith to be lost and often causes future dysfunction.


    I would get banned for saying what I want to say to you. Just know how fucking angry you made me saying that being gay is a "dysfunction."

    It is not. Nor is it a "lifestyle."
    huh :? ... wow I never said being gay is a dysfunction I said sexual abuse can cause sexual dysfunction later in life but that by choosing what can make a person happy this is relieved.

    Man you totally twist words
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Prince Of Dorkness wrote:
    Tell me, pandora, what is "a gay lifesle?"

    I didn't get the handbook.

    (and no. You are wrong. Being sexually abused does not ever turn a person gay. No matter how hard people try to convince them of it. That is a very dangerous lie which is used by the evil christianazi brain butchers who push the Marcus Bachmann-style "reparative therapy" that often leads to teen suicides and anti-gay violence. I do not care how many people tell you that someone chooses to be gay. It does not happen.)
    You base only on your experience... I am saying I know others with a different experience.

    You just put down a whole bunch of people you don't know, won't even try to understand,
    those who choose to be gay.

    They are living no lie... they are just as honest as you
    and happy with their choice.

    I wonder if your stance that no one ever chooses to live a
    gay lifestyle is because there is something wrong with choosing.
    Because there is not.

    A gay lifestyle is enjoying, loving, living, marrying a partner of the same sex...
    no handbook needed but you already knew that
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Byrnzie wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    It is a truth and it is a positive for the survivors of abuse and that is positive.

    As I said it is about finding happiness in life.

    Choosing a gay lifestyle is a positive and meant they found love
    and security in another human being after never thinking they could.

    Sexual abuse causes all trust and faith to be lost and often causes future dysfunction.
    I'd say that is living a negative and I'd say loving is a positive ...
    I've seen both and that was my point.

    But you believe there is no choice involved in being gay...
    I say you generalize because I have seen otherwise and know otherwise.

    I see nothing wrong in choosing to be gay for whatever reason...
    I don't understand why that would be considered a bad thing.

    A combination of factors and experiences make us who we are
    helps us make our choices... it is more than I was born this way...

    it is ...I was born this way, I walk my path and make my choices

    People follow their hearts to find happiness in life.... this is living

    Why does everyone of your posts resemble a manifesto, or inventory?
    it's easier to read ... each thought a point... a complete thought

    I feel when someone writes those overwhelmingly long paragraphs
    it's harder to get through? Just me maybe...

    And each thought or main sentence should be in each paragraph.
    Mine are condensed when not in a story form when it is opinion only
    but thanks for pointing that out :lol:
  • Prince Of Dorkness
    Prince Of Dorkness Posts: 3,763
    Nobody chooses to be gay, Pandora.

    It doesn't happen.

    Ever.
    I can't drive without Pearl Jam
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
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  • ONCE DEVIDED
    ONCE DEVIDED Posts: 1,131
    Prince Of Dorkness wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    Sexual abuse causes all trust and faith to be lost and often causes future dysfunction.


    I would get banned for saying what I want to say to you. Just know how fucking angry you made me saying that being gay is a "dysfunction."

    It is not. Nor is it a "lifestyle."


    I was sexualy abused Pandora, and im completly straight. so that shits on that theory.

    Being Gay is like having blonde hair.
    you can change its colors all you want, but its still blonde underneath
    no choice, its who you are..

    its funny isnt it
    religous people tell me my daughter was born with her condition because God had somthing to teach us.
    at the same time people who are born gay are just sinners against god. Maybe being Gay WAS GODS PLAN as well
    hypocritical fucks
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  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    edited September 2011
    ONCE DEVIDED wrote:
    Prince Of Dorkness wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    Sexual abuse causes all trust and faith to be lost and often causes future dysfunction.


    I would get banned for saying what I want to say to you. Just know how fucking angry you made me saying that being gay is a "dysfunction."

    It is not. Nor is it a "lifestyle."


    I was sexualy abused Pandora, and im completly straight. so that shits on that theory.

    Being Gay is like having blonde hair.
    you can change its colors all you want, but its still blonde underneath
    no choice, its who you are..

    its funny isnt it
    religous people tell me my daughter was born with her condition because God had somthing to teach us.
    at the same time people who are born gay are just sinners against god. Maybe being Gay WAS GODS PLAN as well
    hypocritical fucks
    So because you are straight it doesn't happen to others :?
    It is not me who is generalizing here.

    We are all individuals , there are always exceptions

    We do not fit into a mold and say this is how all people are

    I know people who have chosen to be gay
    they could have chosen to be straight.

    It is the relationship they are in that has made them happy.
    They could not have been safe, happy, trusting in a relationship with the opposite sex
    because of abuse they received as a child/young adult.
    This is fact

    What is wrong is religions have said it is a choice and the wrong one.

    That is wrong.

    The gays come and say there is no choice to battle the put down of religion.
    I was born this way

    this is also wrong... not all were

    my friends....
    stand up and are proud ...

    they say.... "I choose to be gay and it is the right choice for me
    I am happy and whole, I am just right, I am me."

    That is empowerment, that is happiness!

    not by saying no one ever chooses to be gay ...
    because many bisexuals do and I know this to be fact.

    And...It is ok to choose if you do.
    Post edited by pandora on
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Prince Of Dorkness wrote:
    Nobody chooses to be gay, Pandora.

    It doesn't happen.

    Ever.
    no not to you and maybe those you know

    it has happened to others but you will not embrace that fact because
    it is your reply to religion ... "I have no choice, I was born this way so I can not choose wrongly"

    I say forget about the religions of the world, they mean nothing.

    And allow those people who have chosen to love another of the same sex
    to say so and be proud of their choice.

    Let them be free to choose and say so to the religions of the world.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    you mean to tell me that parking your little red wagon in you buddies garage is not disfunctial ? this hole topic screams with disfunction, most of what you post about is gay sex or how gay people are mistreated and that tells me there is a disfunction there to start with, you get all sideways and bent as soon as anybody posts anything on one of your poor gay people threads that you might think is offensive to you,you almost seem to set your self up for hurt or anger and that my friend is disfunctional in my mind,be who you are or want to be but stop trying to push it on everybody else and hurting your self in the process.

    Godfather.
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,237
    Godfather. wrote:
    you mean to tell me that parking your little red wagon in you buddies garage is not disfunctial ? this hole topic screams with disfunction, most of what you post about is gay sex or how gay people are mistreated and that tells me there is a disfunction there to start with, you get all sideways and bent as soon as anybody posts anything on one of your poor gay people threads that you might think is offensive to you,you almost seem to set your self up for hurt or anger and that my friend is disfunctional in my mind,be who you are or want to be but stop trying to push it on everybody else and hurting your self in the process.

    Godfather.

    Touching someone or an underage child inappropriately IS A DYSFUNCTION...loving someone of the same sex to me isn't a dysfunction. NOT everyone parks their little red wagon in your buddies garage and even IF they do isn't a dysfunction. Would you think the same way if that person was your own child or children?

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,237
    pandora wrote:
    Prince Of Dorkness wrote:
    Nobody chooses to be gay, Pandora.

    It doesn't happen.

    Ever.
    no not to you and maybe those you know

    it has happened to others but you will not embrace that fact because
    it is your reply to religion ... "I have no choice, I was born this way so I can not choose wrongly"

    I say forget about the religions of the world, they mean nothing.

    And allow those people who have chosen to love another of the same sex
    to say so and be proud of their choice.

    Let them be free to choose and say so to the religions of the world.

    This question about choosing to be gay.... is it a choice to become gay or MORE about choosing to love someone of the same sex? From my experience it's MORE about choosing to love someone who happens to be of the very same sex. Unlike making a choice to change one's sex from male to female or vice versa....that to me IS a choice.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    g under p wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    Prince Of Dorkness wrote:
    Nobody chooses to be gay, Pandora.

    It doesn't happen.

    Ever.
    no not to you and maybe those you know

    it has happened to others but you will not embrace that fact because
    it is your reply to religion ... "I have no choice, I was born this way so I can not choose wrongly"

    I say forget about the religions of the world, they mean nothing.

    And allow those people who have chosen to love another of the same sex
    to say so and be proud of their choice.

    Let them be free to choose and say so to the religions of the world.

    This question about choosing to be gay.... is it a choice to become gay or MORE about choosing to love someone of the same sex? From my experience it's MORE about choosing to love someone who happens to be of the very same sex. Unlike making a choice to change one's sex from male to female or vice versa....that to me IS a choice.

    Peace
    it is all about love and happiness on our paths :D
  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    Ask straight people if they can be gay and the answer is no fing way.

    If someone "chooses" to be gay.......guess what, it's because your gay.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    g under p wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    you mean to tell me that parking your little red wagon in you buddies garage is not disfunctial ? this hole topic screams with disfunction, most of what you post about is gay sex or how gay people are mistreated and that tells me there is a disfunction there to start with, you get all sideways and bent as soon as anybody posts anything on one of your poor gay people threads that you might think is offensive to you,you almost seem to set your self up for hurt or anger and that my friend is disfunctional in my mind,be who you are or want to be but stop trying to push it on everybody else and hurting your self in the process.

    Godfather.

    Touching someone or an underage child inappropriately IS A DYSFUNCTION...loving someone of the same sex to me isn't a dysfunction. NOT everyone parks their little red wagon in your buddies garage and even IF they do isn't a dysfunction. Would you think the same way if that person was your own child or children?

    Peace
    yup !


    Godfather.

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