Florida Teacher suspended over anti-homosexual remarks:

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  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    cincybearcat wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    As I said, in the context of his rant and whether his extremist views are appropriate for a public school, religion is a valid discussion point. In a 'preaching' context, it's not. There is a huge difference. We all know what this difference is and where the line is drawn.


    You know, the ironic thing, it's further down the path you were complaining about now that you jumped in. ;)
    :?: Not sure what you mean.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,830
    redrock wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    As I said, in the context of his rant and whether his extremist views are appropriate for a public school, religion is a valid discussion point. In a 'preaching' context, it's not. There is a huge difference. We all know what this difference is and where the line is drawn.


    You know, the ironic thing, it's further down the path you were complaining about now that you jumped in. ;)
    :?: Not sure what you mean.

    I just found it funny that you post about derailing the thread into a God argument has now derailed the entire thread. No big deal, just humorous.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    I'm sorry I said anything about Jesus. Next time I'll use Man in the Moon and maybe we'll keep the discusion on track. 8-)
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    cincybearcat wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    You know, the ironic thing, it's further down the path you were complaining about now that you jumped in. ;)
    :?: Not sure what you mean.

    I just found it funny that you post about derailing the thread into a God argument has now derailed the entire thread. No big deal, just humorous.

    I don't think it was derailing... just a remark and eventually bringing it back to the discussion on hand and the 'appropriate' religious argument? As I did concede that there could be a element of religion but the 'right kind' of element and in context (following your post!)! :mrgreen:
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    brianlux wrote:
    I'm sorry I said anything about Jesus. Next time I'll use Man in the Moon and maybe we'll keep the discusion on track. 8-)
    You made a great comment as all your posts are

    you of all people don't need to apologize ... ever
  • EmBleve
    EmBleve Posts: 3,019
    brianlux wrote:
    I'm sorry I said anything about Jesus. Next time I'll use Man in the Moon and maybe we'll keep the discusion on track. 8-)
    I don't think it was your comment, but, eh, what do I know? :? And besides, he's going to teach it as though they hired Jesus Christ. So, it's whatever. Moving on.. ;) ..(I do also have to say that I agree with redrock re: the 'preaching' slant--I get it).
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    preaching can be a wonderful thing when you open your heart to the words

    I don't go to church but have listened to some wonderful preachers

    they can grab your heart and give you hope

    rile you up and set you down gently... it's an art really

    I love it but then I love words all tangled up and beautiful :D
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    pandora wrote:
    preaching can be a wonderful thing when you open your heart to the words

    I don't go to church but have listened to some wonderful preachers

    they can grab your heart and give you hope

    rile you up and set you down gently... it's an art really

    I love it but then I love words all tangled up and beautiful :D
    I've rarely had that experience, Pandora, but I sort of know what you mean...like this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZArY5MbzsdU
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    brianlux wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    preaching can be a wonderful thing when you open your heart to the words

    I don't go to church but have listened to some wonderful preachers

    they can grab your heart and give you hope

    rile you up and set you down gently... it's an art really

    I love it but then I love words all tangled up and beautiful :D
    I've rarely had that experience, Pandora, but I sort of know what you mean...like this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZArY5MbzsdU
    Wow that was awesome and a hero too, David Byrne
    I've never seen that before ... we need you over in rate a song thread
    I bookmarked :D

    love the very ending very cool...thanks :D
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    pandora wrote:
    Wow that was awesome and a hero too, David Byrne
    I've never seen that before ... we need you over in rate a song thread
    I bookmarked :D

    love the very ending very cool...thanks :D

    Glad you liked it! Of course you know, Pandora, we're gonna get busted for throwing this thread off track! :mrgreen:
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    brianlux wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    Wow that was awesome and a hero too, David Byrne
    I've never seen that before ... we need you over in rate a song thread
    I bookmarked :D

    love the very ending very cool...thanks :D

    Glad you liked it! Of course you know, Pandora, we're gonna get busted for throwing this thread off track! :mrgreen:
    oh I know ... tiptoes from room

    really though thanks for that... very much enjoyed. :D
  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    pandora wrote:
    thats super rude not a nice term ... some of my dearest friends are gay women...
    I take great offense to that and how can you defend that?

    maybe he's mentally ill? maybe we shouldn't judge him too harshly without knowing all the facts.

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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    pandora wrote:
    1) Not really your business and entirely off topic making this thread about me... why again :?
    the poster quoted me ...clearly said "you" to me and admitted his words were mean spirited.

    2) You are directing posts to me about my conduct.... this gets threads locked

    3) please do not read my posts in the future if this is a possibility cause it is not fair to others who want to discuss

    4) stay on topic please

    1) not my business? you opened the door by bringing them up. I was merely asking how gay people you know would feel about your stance. I'm sorry, is that offensive?

    2) I didn't make it about YOU. YOU MAKE IT ABOUT YOU, which is exactly what I stated before. I asked a follow up question based on a statement you made. if you don't want to answer it, that's fine, but bringing something and then refusing to elaborate is a childish game. (remember the "I have a secret but I can't tell you" from 4th grade? that's what that is)

    3) gimme a break. if you don't want people to read your posts, don't post them.

    4) I haven't strayed from the topic once. look at the last page. who's not on topic? :roll:
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    pandora wrote:
    preaching can be a wonderful thing when you open your heart to the words

    I don't go to church but have listened to some wonderful preachers

    they can grab your heart and give you hope

    rile you up and set you down gently... it's an art really

    I love it but then I love words all tangled up and beautiful :D

    stay on topic.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    stay on topic.

    Me-- Busted!

    Back to topic:

    Ok, so we can't agree on what to do with this guy (like anyone outside PJ forum cares what we say anyway) but I'd at least like to think the arguments in favor of this...um... guy... are more about it being ok or not ok to say this or that. In any case, surely there are no true homophobics here, right? Right?????
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    brianlux wrote:
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    stay on topic.

    Me-- Busted!

    Back to topic:

    Ok, so we can't agree on what to do with this guy (like anyone outside PJ forum cares what we say anyway) but I'd at least like to think the arguments in favor of this...um... guy... are more about it being ok or not ok to say this or that. In any case, surely there are no true homophobics here, right? Right?????

    not that anyone is admitting. the ones pro this guy are standing behind a free speech argument. which, as pointed out before, in the opinion of many, has no merit.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    not that anyone is admitting. the ones pro this guy are standing behind a free speech argument. which, as pointed out before, in the opinion of many, has no merit.

    In that case, all I can hope for is that closet homophobics examine their own thoughts and words.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    brianlux wrote:
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    not that anyone is admitting. the ones pro this guy are standing behind a free speech argument. which, as pointed out before, in the opinion of many, has no merit.

    In that case, all I can hope for is that closet homophobics examine their own thoughts and words.

    I don't get the feeling that anyone defending this guy is actually a homophobe or agree with any of the content of his rant. I think it's purely to them about his rights.
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  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    1) Not really your business and entirely off topic making this thread about me... why again :?
    the poster quoted me ...clearly said "you" to me and admitted his words were mean spirited.

    2) You are directing posts to me about my conduct.... this gets threads locked

    3) please do not read my posts in the future if this is a possibility cause it is not fair to others who want to discuss

    4) stay on topic please

    1) not my business? you opened the door by bringing them up. I was merely asking how gay people you know would feel about your stance. I'm sorry, is that offensive?

    2) I didn't make it about YOU. YOU MAKE IT ABOUT YOU, which is exactly what I stated before. I asked a follow up question based on a statement you made. if you don't want to answer it, that's fine, but bringing something and then refusing to elaborate is a childish game. (remember the "I have a secret but I can't tell you" from 4th grade? that's what that is)

    3) gimme a break. if you don't want people to read your posts, don't post them.

    4) I haven't strayed from the topic once. look at the last page. who's not on topic? :roll:
    Bringing what up? :?

    Its not your business because I was talking to another poster who clearly was rude to me

    I really don't care what you think about that because we were not talking to you

    I didn't see a question I didn't answer.. if it is on topic then I will answer

    I don't want people to read my posts if they are going to reply in a mean spirited manner
    I've said this before... ignore me please... that is what the mods suggest and I will gladly do the same.
    I will attempt to take the high road... it works well but I see many are not interested in keeping peace
    even when the mods have asked it of them.

    This is off topic right now and unfriendly

    a fellow poster provided a fun video for me to watch... sorry that is off topic
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    I didn't think anyone here in our conversation hates gays...maybe I missed something :?

    for me this is about the
    right to voice one's opinion and changing the rules that keep others from being able to do
    that for fear of losing their job     I feel that is wrong

    The teacher could have been someone who hates women... as an example was made....
    and ranting about women

    I would still defend his right to speak

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