Two Of The West Memphis 3 To Be Freed

gimmesometruth27

i am glad that they finally got out. this case has been a travesty of justice and an example of how broken the system can be.

that said, i'm shocked that nobody on this train has blamed the wm3 for "sponging off of the government" for the last nearly 20 years with the tax payers paying for them for being wrongly convicted while in jail....

dimitrispearljam

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i am glad that they finally got out. this case has been a travesty of justice and an example of how broken the system can be.

that said, i'm shocked that nobody on this train has blamed the wm3 for "sponging off of the government" for the last nearly 20 years with the tax payers paying for them for being wrongly convicted while in jail....

+ catch the real merders...thats the most important..money is nothing infront of human beings...and 3 kids lost their lifes in this case

mysticweed

dimitrispearljam wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i am glad that they finally got out. this case has been a travesty of justice and an example of how broken the system can be.

that said, i'm shocked that nobody on this train has blamed the wm3 for "sponging off of the government" for the last nearly 20 years with the tax payers paying for them for being wrongly convicted while in jail....

+ catch the real merders...thats the most important..money is nothing infront of human beings...and 3 kids lost their lifes in this case

but the state still claims that they ARE the murderers and that the case is closed
still fucking fishy to me
but at least they are out

Blockhead

http://www.callahan.8k.com/wm3/wwilkins2.html
I know many wont read due to the length but I will give a summary about Misskelley's IQ.

DAVIS: Ok. And the WAIS-R is the test that you use to determine the defendant’s IQ?
WILKINS: Yes.
DAVIS: And in that particular test, what was the performance IQ?
WILKINS: 75? Let me—yes.

His Performance IQ was 75 in the test he took for the trial.

DAVIS: Ok, and in 1992 there was also—prior to the time you did your examination there was another IQ test, correct?
WILKINS: Yes.
DAVIS: What was his performance IQ at that time?
WILKINS: 88.

So his performance IQ plunged 13 points from the previous year.

In fact, prior to the test given to him for his trial it was consistently average...

DAVIS: Ok, so the two past IQ examinations that had been performed on him immediately prior to the one that you did indicated that his performance level was in the average range, is that correct?
WILKINS: Uh, low average, yes. The first placed low average, the second one average, yes.
DAVIS: Ok, well am I correct in understanding that anything above 80 is in the average?
WILKINS: That depends on the criteria you want to go by. Typically it’s—Social Security uses 80 above, other places use 84, so yea.
DAVIS: So, by most criteria 84 and 88 would be in the average range?
WILKINS: Yes.
DAVIS: Ok. And when we talk about performance IQ, describe what that is, what that involves.
WILKINS: Those entail, problem solving, conceptualization tasks, thinking tasks, they’re non-verbal. Example is putting together puzzles. Being able to—I show you a pattern of blocks and you have to build designs that match the pattern of blocks. It’s conceptualization in a non-verbal form, problem solving in a non-verbal form.
DAVIS: And in regard to that he rates about average, right?
WILKINS: On those two testings, yes.

So his previous performance scores were average - he's charged with murder, and in a test given by his witness, his score suddenly drops 13 points.

You suppose maybe he was faking?

Let's see what his witness had to say about that...

DAVIS: Now the MMPI-2, that was another test that you conducted on him, is that correct?
WILKINS: Yes.
DAVIS: Now I don’t want to get too complicated ‘cause I don’t understand all this stuff, but I notice down here you said, let’s see, you said he had a high—or you said a mild elevation in the F scale.
WILKINS: Yes.
DAVIS: Ok. Now Doctor it’s true that what you actually found was a T value in that F scale of 83.
WILKINS: Yes.
DAVIS: Now are you telling me that that’s a mild elevation?
WILKINS: It’s an elevation above normal levels.
DAVIS: Well don’t they rank the elevations—as far as the T scale is concerned isn’t that something that’s actually ranked in terms of low range, middle range, moderately high range and very high range?
WILKINS: Yes. That may have been a mistake then. I may well have mispronounced what it was supposed to be.
DAVIS: This is a text regarding—MMPI Handbook. Show me here what an 82 to 88 T score on the F scale indicates to you in that book.
WILKINS: Uh, very high.
DAVIS: Very high?
WILKINS: Yes. This would not be quite the same because this is for the MMPI rather than the MMPI-2, which changed critera, but it would still be in the high range.
DAVIS: So when you put in here that that was a mild elevation, that would not be accurate would it?
WILKINS: No. It would not be. No.
DAVIS: And then from that statement that it was a mild elevation you interpreted that that could show malingering, right?
WILKINS: Yes.
DAVIS: And malingering means what, Doctor?
WILKINS: It means, uh, making up stuff. Trying to present yourself as being ill when you’re not for some particular gain.
DAVIS: Did you explain to Jessie what these tests were being performed for?
WILKINS: We talked some about them in general, yes.
DAVIS: Ok. And he knew that you were coming to court to testify about the results of these tests?
WILKINS: Yes.
DAVIS: And you talked with his lawyers before you took the test or gave him the test?
WILKINS: Yes.

So his own witness got caught on the stand "mispronouncing" Misskelley's malingering index - when the actual score strongly indicated he was faking to aid in his defense.

These aren't opinions, they are the documented results of his testing.

Of course this wasn't the first time Wilkins got caught "mispronouncing" MMPI results...

A psychologist who evaluated Jessie Misskelley Jr. as borderline mentally retarded and very suggestible went before the state Board of Psychological Examiners last month and had his practice limited.
Dr. William Wilkins of Jonesboro must practice under the direction of a supervisor and cannot handle sexual abuse or neuro-psychology cases, he said under rigorous questioning from prosecutors this morning in the capital murder trial of Jessie Lloyd Misskelley Jr.

Why was his licenses restricted?

An evaluation of Wilkins done by another psychologist reported concerns about Wilkins' lack of knowledge of fundamental psychological defects and the scales used in scoring the Minnesota Multi-Phasic Personality test (MMPI) and Wexler tests, common psychological and intelligence evaluation tools. Wilkins used both those tests, along with the Rorshchach test, in evaluating Misskelley.



The fact is, Misskelley wasn't retarded - even when he TRIED to be...

Blockhead

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i am glad that they finally got out. this case has been a travesty of justice and an example of how broken the system can be.

that said, i'm shocked that nobody on this train has blamed the wm3 for "sponging off of the government" for the last nearly 20 years with the tax payers paying for them for being wrongly convicted while in jail....

And what do you base your opinion on? How were they wongly convicted. I suggest you actually read some court documents and I am posting...

gimmesometruth27

Blockhead wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i am glad that they finally got out. this case has been a travesty of justice and an example of how broken the system can be.

that said, i'm shocked that nobody on this train has blamed the wm3 for "sponging off of the government" for the last nearly 20 years with the tax payers paying for them for being wrongly convicted while in jail....

And what do you base your opinion on? How were they wongly convicted. I suggest you actually read some court documents and I am posting...

this has been debated ad nauseum on here. i am not going to rehash all of my points over the years on this issue. you can search my posts if you want to know what i base my opinions on.

the bottom line is they are out and it is about damn time.

Godfather.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/08/19/ark ... ?hpt=ju_c1

two sides to every story.

Godfather.

Blockhead

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i am glad that they finally got out. this case has been a travesty of justice and an example of how broken the system can be.

that said, i'm shocked that nobody on this train has blamed the wm3 for "sponging off of the government" for the last nearly 20 years with the tax payers paying for them for being wrongly convicted while in jail....

And what do you base your opinion on? How were they wongly convicted. I suggest you actually read some court documents and I am posting...

this has been debated ad nauseum on here. i am not going to rehash all of my points over the years on this issue. you can search my posts if you want to know what i base my opinions on.

the bottom line is they are out and it is about damn time.

I asked what you based you opinions on? Is it that hard for you to answer. Have you read the court documents? Or just watched your Paradise lost movies...
Do you do any of your own thinking?

Byrnzie

Blockhead wrote:

http://www.callahan.8k.com/wm3/wwilkins2.html
I know many wont read due to the length but I will give a summary about Misskelley's IQ.

DAVIS: Ok. And the WAIS-R is the test that you use to determine the defendant’s IQ?
WILKINS: Yes.
DAVIS: And in that particular test, what was the performance IQ?
WILKINS: 75? Let me—yes.

His Performance IQ was 75 in the test he took for the trial.

DAVIS: Ok, and in 1992 there was also—prior to the time you did your examination there was another IQ test, correct?
WILKINS: Yes.
DAVIS: What was his performance IQ at that time?
WILKINS: 88.

So his performance IQ plunged 13 points from the previous year.

In fact, prior to the test given to him for his trial it was consistently average...

DAVIS: Ok, so the two past IQ examinations that had been performed on him immediately prior to the one that you did indicated that his performance level was in the average range, is that correct?
WILKINS: Uh, low average, yes. The first placed low average, the second one average, yes.
DAVIS: Ok, well am I correct in understanding that anything above 80 is in the average?
WILKINS: That depends on the criteria you want to go by. Typically it’s—Social Security uses 80 above, other places use 84, so yea.
DAVIS: So, by most criteria 84 and 88 would be in the average range?
WILKINS: Yes.
DAVIS: Ok. And when we talk about performance IQ, describe what that is, what that involves.
WILKINS: Those entail, problem solving, conceptualization tasks, thinking tasks, they’re non-verbal. Example is putting together puzzles. Being able to—I show you a pattern of blocks and you have to build designs that match the pattern of blocks. It’s conceptualization in a non-verbal form, problem solving in a non-verbal form.
DAVIS: And in regard to that he rates about average, right?
WILKINS: On those two testings, yes.

So his previous performance scores were average - he's charged with murder, and in a test given by his witness, his score suddenly drops 13 points.

You suppose maybe he was faking?

Let's see what his witness had to say about that...

DAVIS: Now the MMPI-2, that was another test that you conducted on him, is that correct?
WILKINS: Yes.
DAVIS: Now I don’t want to get too complicated ‘cause I don’t understand all this stuff, but I notice down here you said, let’s see, you said he had a high—or you said a mild elevation in the F scale.
WILKINS: Yes.
DAVIS: Ok. Now Doctor it’s true that what you actually found was a T value in that F scale of 83.
WILKINS: Yes.
DAVIS: Now are you telling me that that’s a mild elevation?
WILKINS: It’s an elevation above normal levels.
DAVIS: Well don’t they rank the elevations—as far as the T scale is concerned isn’t that something that’s actually ranked in terms of low range, middle range, moderately high range and very high range?
WILKINS: Yes. That may have been a mistake then. I may well have mispronounced what it was supposed to be.
DAVIS: This is a text regarding—MMPI Handbook. Show me here what an 82 to 88 T score on the F scale indicates to you in that book.
WILKINS: Uh, very high.
DAVIS: Very high?
WILKINS: Yes. This would not be quite the same because this is for the MMPI rather than the MMPI-2, which changed critera, but it would still be in the high range.
DAVIS: So when you put in here that that was a mild elevation, that would not be accurate would it?
WILKINS: No. It would not be. No.
DAVIS: And then from that statement that it was a mild elevation you interpreted that that could show malingering, right?
WILKINS: Yes.
DAVIS: And malingering means what, Doctor?
WILKINS: It means, uh, making up stuff. Trying to present yourself as being ill when you’re not for some particular gain.
DAVIS: Did you explain to Jessie what these tests were being performed for?
WILKINS: We talked some about them in general, yes.
DAVIS: Ok. And he knew that you were coming to court to testify about the results of these tests?
WILKINS: Yes.
DAVIS: And you talked with his lawyers before you took the test or gave him the test?
WILKINS: Yes.

So his own witness got caught on the stand "mispronouncing" Misskelley's malingering index - when the actual score strongly indicated he was faking to aid in his defense.

These aren't opinions, they are the documented results of his testing.

Of course this wasn't the first time Wilkins got caught "mispronouncing" MMPI results...

A psychologist who evaluated Jessie Misskelley Jr. as borderline mentally retarded and very suggestible went before the state Board of Psychological Examiners last month and had his practice limited.
Dr. William Wilkins of Jonesboro must practice under the direction of a supervisor and cannot handle sexual abuse or neuro-psychology cases, he said under rigorous questioning from prosecutors this morning in the capital murder trial of Jessie Lloyd Misskelley Jr.

Why was his licenses restricted?

An evaluation of Wilkins done by another psychologist reported concerns about Wilkins' lack of knowledge of fundamental psychological defects and the scales used in scoring the Minnesota Multi-Phasic Personality test (MMPI) and Wexler tests, common psychological and intelligence evaluation tools. Wilkins used both those tests, along with the Rorshchach test, in evaluating Misskelley.



The fact is, Misskelley wasn't retarded - even when he TRIED to be...

Is there any evidence these boys committed these murders other than Misskelley's 'confession'? No. There's zero evidence.

Wearing black clothes and reading a few occult books doesn't make someone a murderer.

polaris_x

Blockhead wrote:

I will help some of you out that follow everything blindly..
http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/jmfeb.html
Attached is the confession AFTER the conviction

there is a lot to read ... hopefully, i will get to it over time ...

i did find it interesting in the FAQ that 2 of the 3 contributors to your website believe the WM3 are innocent ... so, assuming they read everything you claimed to have ... they came to a different conclusion than you ...

Blockhead

All these statements where damien confessed
http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/jodeem1.html
http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/jesmed.html
http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/jackeem.html
http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/b_wilson_interview.html
http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/kenw2.html
http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/cvan.html
http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/jeshur.html

Blockhead

Byrnzie wrote:

Is there any evidence these boys committed these murders other than Misskelley's 'confession'? No. There's zero evidence.

Wearing black clothes and reading a few occult books doesn't make someone a murderer.

They all 3 confessed... shows how much you know...
Also the:
Jessie Misskelley’s many confessions
Damien’s pre-arrest hinting that he’d been involved in the murder
The girls who testified that they heard Damien confess
Jason Baldwin’s jailhouse confession
Damien’s mental illness
Secondary fiber evidence
Two types of blood on Damien’s necklace
Shaky alibis
Jessie’s weeping spells right after the murders
The knife found behind Baldwin’s house

Byrnzie

Blockhead wrote:

All these statements where damien confessed
http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/jodeem1.html
http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/jesmed.html
http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/jackeem.html
http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/b_wilson_interview.html
http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/kenw2.html
http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/cvan.html
http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/jeshur.html

None of these are confessions by Damien Echols. They're all second-hand statements made by individuals who claimed to have 'overheard' Damien Echols talking.

Also, William Jones later recanted his statement.
Eight year old Aaron Hutcheson was considered unbelievable even by the West Memphis police.
And Alvis Bly was considered a '"drug looped" mental case'.

BinauralJam

Weren't there bite marks on the face of one of the victims, that didn't match and of the WM3? i think i remember that from one of those Documentries.

Godfather.

Blockhead wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

Is there any evidence these boys committed these murders other than Misskelley's 'confession'? No. There's zero evidence.

Wearing black clothes and reading a few occult books doesn't make someone a murderer.

They all 3 confessed... shows how much you know...
Also the:
Jessie Misskelley’s many confessions
Damien’s pre-arrest hinting that he’d been involved in the murder
The girls who testified that they heard Damien confess
Jason Baldwin’s jailhouse confession
Damien’s mental illness
Secondary fiber evidence
Two types of blood on Damien’s necklace
Shaky alibis
Jessie’s weeping spells right after the murders
The knife found behind Baldwin’s house

you're beating your head aginst the wall with this bunch brother...after all the WM3 were wrongly convicted and everybody here has celeb backing on their guess's to prove it

Godfather.

gimmesometruth27

Blockhead wrote:

I asked what you based you opinions on? Is it that hard for you to answer. Have you read the court documents? Or just watched your Paradise lost movies...
Do you do any of your own thinking?

and i told you i am not taking your bait and getting into a long heated discussion where no minds are changed.

they are out. and i am glad they are out.

do i do my own thinking?

no dude, i just blindly believe everything i read on a pearl jam message board :roll:

Byrnzie

Blockhead wrote:

Secondary fiber evidence

You mean fibers found on a knife that wasn't found at the scene of the crime?

Two black polyester and one blue polyester fiber found on a knife (E-134). There is no reason to think the knife was involved in the crime in any way. Nor is there any reason to believe it was found at the crime scene. It was found at 'Marion High School'.
While the crime lab found fibers similar to items from the Echols and Baldwin residences on this knife, there's no reason at all to think the fibers can be tied to the murders, crime scene, or victims.

Byrnzie

Blockhead wrote:

Jason Baldwin’s jailhouse confession

By the time of the trials, Michael Carson [who Baldwin allegedly 'confessed' to] had been in and out of juvenile facilities for burglary and falsifying his identity. He had completed at least two stays in mental health facilities. He was diagnosed as having alcohol, hallucinogen and marijuana dependency and polysubstance abuse.

His counsellor contacted Baldwin's defense attorneys to warn them of his concerns that Carson would lie about his testimony.

http://www.jivepuppi.com/case_for_innoc ... ldwin.html

cincybearcat

The terrible thing in all of this is that 3 young boys lost their lives and there will not be any justice for their deaths.

I hope that whoever killed those kids has a terrible life filled with personal tragedy. This is a very sad case for all involved. I've not read enough to make my own conclusion about the WM3, not sure I really want to at this point.

JonnyPistachio

Blockhead wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

Is there any evidence these boys committed these murders other than Misskelley's 'confession'? No. There's zero evidence.

Wearing black clothes and reading a few occult books doesn't make someone a murderer.

They all 3 confessed... shows how much you know...
Also the:
Jessie Misskelley’s many confessions
Damien’s pre-arrest hinting that he’d been involved in the murder
The girls who testified that they heard Damien confess
Jason Baldwin’s jailhouse confession
Damien’s mental illness
Secondary fiber evidence
Two types of blood on Damien’s necklace
Shaky alibis
Jessie’s weeping spells right after the murders
The knife found behind Baldwin’s house

I think I've read several of Misskelleys confessions (a few years back). I thought they were all different in details (time, locations, what went down). I believe they were also inadmissible in Echols and Baldwins trials (I assume this is because he was trading his confession for less severe punishment)

Some of the people who overheard Echols talking about the crime recanted, some were considered unreliable..

I think the fiber evidence and knife were not concrete evidence.

I have not seen or heard of Baldwins jailhouse confession. I am curious, where did you see this. I'd like to hear, although most jailhouse confessions to cellmates and such are highly unreliable.

I had never heard of the necklace with blood evidence. I wonder why that wasnt allowed to be used as evidence. If it was inadmissible, then it didnt have a bearing on the trial. Of the evidence I saw related to the trial and actual conviction, I thought it was shoddy all the way around. You have to remember to stick to the things that were used to convict them.