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  • kce8
    kce8 Posts: 1,636
    Luckily, we are finally ready today, that we no longer have to play the tough guy and deal openly with our demons.

    What a blessing that James reacts and seeks for help again, instead of going through the tour and things get worse.

    Fortunately, even the supposedly "very tough" ones are evolving, and in retrospect, James is certainly upset about the one or other bad comment he made during his career.

    So good luck for his recovery… everything else is just not so important at the moment. 


    By the way, I saw them playing, when he was really at his worst, it was just awful and terrifying. 
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,453
    edited September 2019
    kce8 said:
    By the way, I saw them playing, when he was really at his worst, it was just awful and terrifying. 
    When was this?

    Are you sure you just didn't heard songs from St Anger?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Shall we remind him if what he thought about Layne canceling a tour to try and recover?  I
    dont be that guy. 
    He should apologize one day.   
  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    https://instagram.com/p/B0OgEDKppBJ/embed/

    SELF-TITLED (1991). AKA ”The Black Album” AKA ”When Metallica ended”. There are some albums that have so many classic songs and singles that it feels like a Greatest Hits album. Nevermind is one example of that - this is another. Hard to not consider this a masterpiece and Metallicas peak. Whatever those ”only Metallicas 80s albums count”-headbangers say. 
    How this gets a 5 and puppets a 3 is beyond me...

    Still a good album though.  My guess would be that this album was your introduction to the band?

    *edit:  I wanted to add that the solo in Unforgiven is one of Hammets finest moments.
    Hmm. Was it.. I remember listening to Master of Puppets at a friends house when I was 11-12 and looking at his Ride the Lightning poster... and before that I remember us kids choosing between a live VHS of a Metallica show and a live VHS of a Guns show to watch while drinking lemonade. Must have been like 8-9 at the time.

    But ofc the songs from the Black album are in large part what you heard on MTV. They are just so perfectly crafted. As I said, sounds like a Greatest Hits album. Like Nevermind and Ten also does.

    I will say that Metallicas greatest release all in all though is:


    Good lord man!! That’s a giant hunk of shit!! Nice to have all those great songs but the symphony shoe horned in is just awful.

    I give your opinion on this and MoP 0 stars.
  • kce8
    kce8 Posts: 1,636
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    kce8 said:
    By the way, I saw them playing, when he was really at his worst, it was just awful and terrifying. 
    When was this?

    Are you sure you just didn't heard songs from St Anger?
    :rofl: 

    Well, it was before St. Anger... ;)  I guess maybe around 1999 
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,453
    DewieCox said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    https://instagram.com/p/B0OgEDKppBJ/embed/

    SELF-TITLED (1991). AKA ”The Black Album” AKA ”When Metallica ended”. There are some albums that have so many classic songs and singles that it feels like a Greatest Hits album. Nevermind is one example of that - this is another. Hard to not consider this a masterpiece and Metallicas peak. Whatever those ”only Metallicas 80s albums count”-headbangers say. 
    How this gets a 5 and puppets a 3 is beyond me...

    Still a good album though.  My guess would be that this album was your introduction to the band?

    *edit:  I wanted to add that the solo in Unforgiven is one of Hammets finest moments.
    Hmm. Was it.. I remember listening to Master of Puppets at a friends house when I was 11-12 and looking at his Ride the Lightning poster... and before that I remember us kids choosing between a live VHS of a Metallica show and a live VHS of a Guns show to watch while drinking lemonade. Must have been like 8-9 at the time.

    But ofc the songs from the Black album are in large part what you heard on MTV. They are just so perfectly crafted. As I said, sounds like a Greatest Hits album. Like Nevermind and Ten also does.

    I will say that Metallicas greatest release all in all though is:


    Good lord man!! That’s a giant hunk of shit!! Nice to have all those great songs but the symphony shoe horned in is just awful.

    I give your opinion on this and MoP 0 stars.
    doesnt feel shoehorned
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • kce8
    kce8 Posts: 1,636
    DewieCox said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    https://instagram.com/p/B0OgEDKppBJ/embed/

    SELF-TITLED (1991). AKA ”The Black Album” AKA ”When Metallica ended”. There are some albums that have so many classic songs and singles that it feels like a Greatest Hits album. Nevermind is one example of that - this is another. Hard to not consider this a masterpiece and Metallicas peak. Whatever those ”only Metallicas 80s albums count”-headbangers say. 
    How this gets a 5 and puppets a 3 is beyond me...

    Still a good album though.  My guess would be that this album was your introduction to the band?

    *edit:  I wanted to add that the solo in Unforgiven is one of Hammets finest moments.
    Hmm. Was it.. I remember listening to Master of Puppets at a friends house when I was 11-12 and looking at his Ride the Lightning poster... and before that I remember us kids choosing between a live VHS of a Metallica show and a live VHS of a Guns show to watch while drinking lemonade. Must have been like 8-9 at the time.

    But ofc the songs from the Black album are in large part what you heard on MTV. They are just so perfectly crafted. As I said, sounds like a Greatest Hits album. Like Nevermind and Ten also does.

    I will say that Metallicas greatest release all in all though is:


    Good lord man!! That’s a giant hunk of shit!! Nice to have all those great songs but the symphony shoe horned in is just awful.

    I give your opinion on this and MoP 0 stars.
    Luckily we can all keep our own music taste!

    I wouldn't go so far to say that S&M is Metallica's greatest release, I wouldn't even be able to find out which one I like the most.

    Even though in my opinion S&M is a little masterpiece of music. Alone because it shows the diversity of music and how great it can be or what you can make with it. I just love metal/rock played with orchestra.
    Remember the days when people were struggling with the black record first, just because it seemed to be too commercial..? In fact, we loved it. What a waste of time. 

    I learned to love different styles of music. My taste has changed a lot over the years. I mean I still love Pearl Jam and they've changed a lot, too. It's all natural, right!?
    Nowadays, I absolutely enjoy listening to bands that cover songs from other bands from different music backgrounds. It's pretty cool to see them interpret these songs. I also like it when Eddie sings songs of or with other bands/singers. Alone his covers have introduced me to a lot of new stuff I really appreciate today. 

    It is the variety that makes life fun! 
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    I wouldn't say "we loved it".  Lots of people disliked it.   I can't stand it.  
  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    DewieCox said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    https://instagram.com/p/B0OgEDKppBJ/embed/

    SELF-TITLED (1991). AKA ”The Black Album” AKA ”When Metallica ended”. There are some albums that have so many classic songs and singles that it feels like a Greatest Hits album. Nevermind is one example of that - this is another. Hard to not consider this a masterpiece and Metallicas peak. Whatever those ”only Metallicas 80s albums count”-headbangers say. 
    How this gets a 5 and puppets a 3 is beyond me...

    Still a good album though.  My guess would be that this album was your introduction to the band?

    *edit:  I wanted to add that the solo in Unforgiven is one of Hammets finest moments.
    Hmm. Was it.. I remember listening to Master of Puppets at a friends house when I was 11-12 and looking at his Ride the Lightning poster... and before that I remember us kids choosing between a live VHS of a Metallica show and a live VHS of a Guns show to watch while drinking lemonade. Must have been like 8-9 at the time.

    But ofc the songs from the Black album are in large part what you heard on MTV. They are just so perfectly crafted. As I said, sounds like a Greatest Hits album. Like Nevermind and Ten also does.

    I will say that Metallicas greatest release all in all though is:


    Good lord man!! That’s a giant hunk of shit!! Nice to have all those great songs but the symphony shoe horned in is just awful.

    I give your opinion on this and MoP 0 stars.
    doesnt feel shoehorned
    Maybe, but it sounds shoehorned.
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,453
    DewieCox said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    DewieCox said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    https://instagram.com/p/B0OgEDKppBJ/embed/

    SELF-TITLED (1991). AKA ”The Black Album” AKA ”When Metallica ended”. There are some albums that have so many classic songs and singles that it feels like a Greatest Hits album. Nevermind is one example of that - this is another. Hard to not consider this a masterpiece and Metallicas peak. Whatever those ”only Metallicas 80s albums count”-headbangers say. 
    How this gets a 5 and puppets a 3 is beyond me...

    Still a good album though.  My guess would be that this album was your introduction to the band?

    *edit:  I wanted to add that the solo in Unforgiven is one of Hammets finest moments.
    Hmm. Was it.. I remember listening to Master of Puppets at a friends house when I was 11-12 and looking at his Ride the Lightning poster... and before that I remember us kids choosing between a live VHS of a Metallica show and a live VHS of a Guns show to watch while drinking lemonade. Must have been like 8-9 at the time.

    But ofc the songs from the Black album are in large part what you heard on MTV. They are just so perfectly crafted. As I said, sounds like a Greatest Hits album. Like Nevermind and Ten also does.

    I will say that Metallicas greatest release all in all though is:


    Good lord man!! That’s a giant hunk of shit!! Nice to have all those great songs but the symphony shoe horned in is just awful.

    I give your opinion on this and MoP 0 stars.
    doesnt feel shoehorned
    Maybe, but it sounds shoehorned.
    I hate your avatar. because I didnt buy that vinyl when it for a while was being sold for 14 dollars here in Sweden (I think anxioty whether to buy the deluxe boxset instead stopped me). 

    And now I dont have it. And dont want to much how much it costs today. 

    great album. 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,453
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Shall we remind him if what he thought about Layne canceling a tour to try and recover?  I
    dont be that guy. 
    He should apologize one day.   
    to whom?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • given2fly23
    given2fly23 Evanston, IL Posts: 6,041
    Love the Black Album
    Love Load
    Love S&M

    Can't stand anything since then.
    Good luck, James.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Shall we remind him if what he thought about Layne canceling a tour to try and recover?  I
    dont be that guy. 
    He should apologize one day.   
    to whom?
    To Laynes family,  Jerry,  and everyone who has had addiction change the course of their life.  That's a good start. he should also apologize to the public for being a hypocrite.  I know none of this will happen unless their manager figures out a way to monetize an apology. 
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,453
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Shall we remind him if what he thought about Layne canceling a tour to try and recover?  I
    dont be that guy. 
    He should apologize one day.   
    to whom?
    To Laynes family,  Jerry,  and everyone who has had addiction change the course of their life.  That's a good start. he should also apologize to the public for being a hypocrite.  I know none of this will happen unless their manager figures out a way to monetize an apology. 
    He's played with AIC. He's interviewed them. 

    I think they're cool.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    DewieCox said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    DewieCox said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    https://instagram.com/p/B0OgEDKppBJ/embed/

    SELF-TITLED (1991). AKA ”The Black Album” AKA ”When Metallica ended”. There are some albums that have so many classic songs and singles that it feels like a Greatest Hits album. Nevermind is one example of that - this is another. Hard to not consider this a masterpiece and Metallicas peak. Whatever those ”only Metallicas 80s albums count”-headbangers say. 
    How this gets a 5 and puppets a 3 is beyond me...

    Still a good album though.  My guess would be that this album was your introduction to the band?

    *edit:  I wanted to add that the solo in Unforgiven is one of Hammets finest moments.
    Hmm. Was it.. I remember listening to Master of Puppets at a friends house when I was 11-12 and looking at his Ride the Lightning poster... and before that I remember us kids choosing between a live VHS of a Metallica show and a live VHS of a Guns show to watch while drinking lemonade. Must have been like 8-9 at the time.

    But ofc the songs from the Black album are in large part what you heard on MTV. They are just so perfectly crafted. As I said, sounds like a Greatest Hits album. Like Nevermind and Ten also does.

    I will say that Metallicas greatest release all in all though is:


    Good lord man!! That’s a giant hunk of shit!! Nice to have all those great songs but the symphony shoe horned in is just awful.

    I give your opinion on this and MoP 0 stars.
    doesnt feel shoehorned
    Maybe, but it sounds shoehorned.
    I hate your avatar. because I didnt buy that vinyl when it for a while was being sold for 14 dollars here in Sweden (I think anxioty whether to buy the deluxe boxset instead stopped me). 

    And now I dont have it. And dont want to much how much it costs today. 

    great album. 

    Just checked on amazon over here and it’s $23 and readily available.
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,453
    DewieCox said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    DewieCox said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    DewieCox said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    https://instagram.com/p/B0OgEDKppBJ/embed/

    SELF-TITLED (1991). AKA ”The Black Album” AKA ”When Metallica ended”. There are some albums that have so many classic songs and singles that it feels like a Greatest Hits album. Nevermind is one example of that - this is another. Hard to not consider this a masterpiece and Metallicas peak. Whatever those ”only Metallicas 80s albums count”-headbangers say. 
    How this gets a 5 and puppets a 3 is beyond me...

    Still a good album though.  My guess would be that this album was your introduction to the band?

    *edit:  I wanted to add that the solo in Unforgiven is one of Hammets finest moments.
    Hmm. Was it.. I remember listening to Master of Puppets at a friends house when I was 11-12 and looking at his Ride the Lightning poster... and before that I remember us kids choosing between a live VHS of a Metallica show and a live VHS of a Guns show to watch while drinking lemonade. Must have been like 8-9 at the time.

    But ofc the songs from the Black album are in large part what you heard on MTV. They are just so perfectly crafted. As I said, sounds like a Greatest Hits album. Like Nevermind and Ten also does.

    I will say that Metallicas greatest release all in all though is:


    Good lord man!! That’s a giant hunk of shit!! Nice to have all those great songs but the symphony shoe horned in is just awful.

    I give your opinion on this and MoP 0 stars.
    doesnt feel shoehorned
    Maybe, but it sounds shoehorned.
    I hate your avatar. because I didnt buy that vinyl when it for a while was being sold for 14 dollars here in Sweden (I think anxioty whether to buy the deluxe boxset instead stopped me). 

    And now I dont have it. And dont want to much how much it costs today. 

    great album. 

    Just checked on amazon over here and it’s $23 and readily available.
    Not available at all in Sweden.

    But will check Discogs. Great album.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,345
    given2fly23 said:
    Love the Black Album
    Love Load
    Love S&M

    Can't stand anything since then.
    Good luck, James.
    Hardwired has some bangers on it.  Now that We are Dead is fantastic.  Listen to it on a good sound system.
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,453
    tempo_n_groove said:
    given2fly23 said:
    Love the Black Album
    Love Load
    Love S&M

    Can't stand anything since then.
    Good luck, James.
    Hardwired has some bangers on it.  Now that We are Dead is fantastic.  Listen to it on a good sound system.
    Nice song. 

    https://youtu.be/QlF4rhAbwyc

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,991
    Sad news. I always just figured he's been sober since Some Kind Of Monster. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Sad news. I always just figured he's been sober since Some Kind Of Monster. 
    so did i. that touring schedule must be killer on an addict. i can't imagine. 
    Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall




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