There's Something Wrong With Aunt Diane

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  • davidtrios
    davidtrios Posts: 9,732
    Yes, BAC tests do not lie..this family can't deal with the fact this woman was drunk and high but those are the facts of the case.
  • The Waiting Trophy Man
    The Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
    Pandora sounds like a defense lawyer! Lol
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  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    No one will convince me she drank and drove on purpose after watching the doc

    she was 30 minutes from home, it was morning

    she was straight from all accounts until the headache came on

    the headache caused by a brain event from a tooth abscess that caused delirium

    another brain autopsy is required to clear her of the purposeful death of these children

    it is an injustice to her, her husband and surviving child for people to blame her, ridicule,
    destroy her memory, that of a very loving, capable, accomplished, big spirited woman,
    who would do "anything for anyone".

    The truth needs to be found so her boy can move through life with his mama in his heart.
  • davidtrios
    davidtrios Posts: 9,732
    if i have a headache, i dont pound vodka and smokeup...esp if im driving with kids in the car
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    pandora wrote:
    do we think if it was botched they wouldn't fess up cause they would lose accreditation?
    would they attempt to hide anything?


    Path labs cannot just hide things. Each patient is assigned a case number, that number is put on every piece of tissue removed from your body and recorded in series(usually with barcode scanners). The same number is then put on every slide and recorded in series. You cannot be missing slides 210-235 in a patient case, it just doesn't work that way.

    Also, when techs are working in the lab, it is rare they know that the tissue they are processing belonged to a high profile case, celebrity, homeless person etc. Obstruction and cover ups just aren't realistic.

    She may have been a good mother, but so are a lot of addicts.
    no sign of any addiction in her life at all from anyone ... many were interviewed

    she was the bread winner of the home making 6 figures running a division of a corp,
    admired by community, coworkers, school, church, family, friends.

    Medical records were released no sign of medication abuse or substance abuse.

    Assuming someone is an addict from a blood test is a jump.

    But any who...
    I really recommend the documentary... but keep a box of kleenix near by

    it was a senseless tragedy as it stands
    but I know her family needs to make sense out of this because this was not the womans character,
    this was just not Diane.

    I wish then luck on their quest and hope they find some peace and resolve.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Davidtrios wrote:
    if i have a headache, i dont pound vodka and smokeup...esp if im driving with kids in the car
    Delirium....
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Pandora sounds like a defense lawyer! Lol
    I'd much rather be a prosecutor ;)
  • CROJAM95
    CROJAM95 Posts: 10,802
    pandora wrote:
    Davidtrios wrote:
    if i have a headache, i dont pound vodka and smokeup...esp if im driving with kids in the car
    Delirium....

    That's a huge stretch

    Can you site a similar case? I can site dozens of drunks doing this
  • davidtrios
    davidtrios Posts: 9,732
    pandora wrote:
    Davidtrios wrote:
    if i have a headache, i dont pound vodka and smokeup...esp if im driving with kids in the car
    Delirium....

    if you had 10 shots of vodka in you, you'd be delirious too
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    This the point of the doc... do they do docs on the DUI cases some are speaking of
    no

    this one unique because of the person she was, how the event unfolded
    and the fact that, as a previous poster stated, there were other health issues going on

    the abscess would have produced a high fever, delerium, extreme pain, vision problems, confusion
    and a rapidly decreasing sense of reality.

    did she purposely drink and drive?... this what the doc is about

    I feel she did not... I'm not sure if everyone here watched the doc but before I did
    I assumed she had a bad drinking problem.

    Now I do not and want the memory of her spared.
  • The Waiting Trophy Man
    The Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
    pandora wrote:
    prljamgirl wrote:
    pandora wrote:

    As far as pot in her system that stays for 30 days and it was mentioned she liked to
    have a little before bed.

    Actually you are incorrect about this.....yes pot can stay in your system for 30 days and yes it was mentioned that she liked to have some before bed from time to time, but it was ALSO mentioned in the documentary that the levels of THC in her system showed that it had been 15 to 30 minutes before her death that she was in fact smoking it. The fact that she had consumed the equivalent of 10 drinks in about 45 minutes would have advanced and intensified the effects of the pot.


    You know I watched the same doc and did not hear or see that ... about the pot being smoked
    at that time... will have to research that...

    I "researched" it for you Pandora(I DVR'd it). At around the 1 hr, 5 minute mark is where you want to start watching it(the part where they're at the lab). Ms. Schuler's THC level was 113 ng/ml, which is "very high". They were able to tell, based on research, that she could have smoked the marijuana anywhere from 15 min to an hour before the accident - this came from Betsy Spratt, Director of Toxicology, Westchester County. It`s right there in the documentary, so I don`t know how you "did not see or hear that."

    They also said that because she had consumed the equivalent of 10 shots of vodka a short time before she crashed, this exacerbated the effects of the marijuana because ethanol increases the absorption of THC.

    The fact that she was drunk and high is not in dispute. You can't argue with the toxicology results. There is no conspiracy here. Maybe something else was going on? Maybe she was in pain because of her tooth and it was driving her crazy and she wasn't in her right frame of mind - That doesn't change the fact that her blood-alcohol level was .19% (which is more than twice the legal limit) and her THC level was 113 ng/ml. She was drunk on vodka and high on marijuana and she had 5 kids in the car with her. Those are the facts and they can't be disputed.
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  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    pandora wrote:
    prljamgirl wrote:
    Actually you are incorrect about this.....yes pot can stay in your system for 30 days and yes it was mentioned that she liked to have some before bed from time to time, but it was ALSO mentioned in the documentary that the levels of THC in her system showed that it had been 15 to 30 minutes before her death that she was in fact smoking it. The fact that she had consumed the equivalent of 10 drinks in about 45 minutes would have advanced and intensified the effects of the pot.


    You know I watched the same doc and did not hear or see that ... about the pot being smoked
    at that time... will have to research that...

    I "researched" it for you Pandora(I DVR'd it). At around the 1 hr, 5 minute mark is where you want to start watching it(the part where they're at the lab). Ms. Schuler's THC level was 113 ng/ml, which is "very high". They were able to tell, based on research, that she could have smoked the marijuana anywhere from 15 min to an hour before the accident - this came from Betsy Spratt, Director of Toxicology, Westchester County. It`s right there in the documentary, so I don`t know how you "did not see or hear that."

    They also said that because she had consumed the equivalent of 10 shots of vodka a short time before she crashed, this exacerbated the effects of the marijuana because ethanol increases the absorption of THC.

    The fact that she was drunk and high is not in dispute. You can't argue with the toxicology results. There is no conspiracy here. Maybe something else was going on? Maybe she was in pain because of her tooth and it was driving her crazy and she wasn't in her right frame of mind - That doesn't change the fact that her blood-alcohol level was .19% (which is more than twice the legal limit) and her THC level was 113 ng/ml. She was drunk on vodka and high on marijuana and she had 5 kids in the car with her. Those are the facts and they can't be disputed.

    That was so kind of you... thoughful... I bet it was my Lucy... she comes to me for some petting
    can't resist ... most can't ;) she is lovely and sweet and always a welcome distraction. :D

    I go back to the wonderful woman Diane was and that she was not a drinker nor a drug addict.

    The extenuating circumstances is why they did the documentary and yes thats what I feel, that
    those circumstances.... the tooth, pain, fever, brain event and delirium, caused her to be so ill she was not thinking in her normal rational self.... which would never risk a carful of children...
    all family and friends support that, she wouldn't have done this if she were her normal self.

    I hope more facts can be recovered to support this for the sake of her memory,
    the rest of the family, but most especially her son... he will face a lot of hurt in the future by people who assume and judge without knowing his mother.
  • The Waiting Trophy Man
    The Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
    pandora wrote:
    I "researched" it for you Pandora(I DVR'd it). At around the 1 hr, 5 minute mark is where you want to start watching it(the part where they're at the lab). Ms. Schuler's THC level was 113 ng/ml, which is "very high". They were able to tell, based on research, that she could have smoked the marijuana anywhere from 15 min to an hour before the accident - this came from Betsy Spratt, Director of Toxicology, Westchester County. It`s right there in the documentary, so I don`t know how you "did not see or hear that."

    They also said that because she had consumed the equivalent of 10 shots of vodka a short time before she crashed, this exacerbated the effects of the marijuana because ethanol increases the absorption of THC.

    The fact that she was drunk and high is not in dispute. You can't argue with the toxicology results. There is no conspiracy here. Maybe something else was going on? Maybe she was in pain because of her tooth and it was driving her crazy and she wasn't in her right frame of mind - That doesn't change the fact that her blood-alcohol level was .19% (which is more than twice the legal limit) and her THC level was 113 ng/ml. She was drunk on vodka and high on marijuana and she had 5 kids in the car with her. Those are the facts and they can't be disputed.

    That was so kind of you... thoughful... I bet it was my Lucy... she comes to me for some petting
    can't resist ... most can't ;) she is lovely and sweet and always a welcome distraction. :D

    I go back to the wonderful woman Diane was and that she was not a drinker nor a drug addict.

    The extenuating circumstances is why they did the documentary and yes thats what I feel, that
    those circumstances.... the tooth, pain, fever, brain event and delirium, caused her to be so ill she was not thinking in her normal rational self.... which would never risk a carful of children...
    all family and friends support that, she wouldn't have done this if she were her normal self.

    I hope more facts can be recovered to support this for the sake of her memory,
    the rest of the family, but most especially her son... he will face a lot of hurt in the future by people who assume and judge without knowing his mother.

    Maybe before posting your opinions in a thread like this you should at least have your facts straight. You admit that you weren't always paying attention to the documentary because you were playing with your dog, and yet you have such a strong opinion of this woman and don't believe the evidence. I think it's only fair to the victims and the OP of this thread that you at least know something about what you're talking about before you blindly defend a drunk driver that killed 8 people, including 5 children.
    Another habit says it's in love with you
    Another habit says its long overdue
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  • CROJAM95
    CROJAM95 Posts: 10,802
    Like I pointed out earlier, if trucker looking hubby did this

    Case closed... He's a monster

    Showing pics of Diane during better times is a ploy

    Doesn't have any bearing on what occured
  • Enkidu
    Enkidu So Cal Posts: 2,996
    I just read all the posts in this thread - my husband and I saw the documentary this week. It was very disturbing. I can't quite wrap my head around her drinking so much and smoking pot and driving - especially with children in the car. But I don't doubt the toxicology reports. Clearly there's stuff we don't know - everybody talked about Diane's control issues. And I didn't think the husband felt 100% truthful. That's just my opinion.

    A very sad story.
  • rollings
    rollings unknown Posts: 7,127
    pandora wrote:
    I "researched" it for you Pandora(I DVR'd it). At around the 1 hr, 5 minute mark is where you want to start watching it(the part where they're at the lab). Ms. Schuler's THC level was 113 ng/ml, which is "very high". They were able to tell, based on research, that she could have smoked the marijuana anywhere from 15 min to an hour before the accident - this came from Betsy Spratt, Director of Toxicology, Westchester County. It`s right there in the documentary, so I don`t know how you "did not see or hear that."

    They also said that because she had consumed the equivalent of 10 shots of vodka a short time before she crashed, this exacerbated the effects of the marijuana because ethanol increases the absorption of THC.

    The fact that she was drunk and high is not in dispute. You can't argue with the toxicology results. There is no conspiracy here. Maybe something else was going on? Maybe she was in pain because of her tooth and it was driving her crazy and she wasn't in her right frame of mind - That doesn't change the fact that her blood-alcohol level was .19% (which is more than twice the legal limit) and her THC level was 113 ng/ml. She was drunk on vodka and high on marijuana and she had 5 kids in the car with her. Those are the facts and they can't be disputed.

    That was so kind of you... thoughful... I bet it was my Lucy... she comes to me for some petting
    can't resist ... most can't ;) she is lovely and sweet and always a welcome distraction. :D

    I go back to the wonderful woman Diane was and that she was not a drinker nor a drug addict.

    The extenuating circumstances is why they did the documentary and yes thats what I feel, that
    those circumstances.... the tooth, pain, fever, brain event and delirium, caused her to be so ill she was not thinking in her normal rational self.... which would never risk a carful of children...
    all family and friends support that, she wouldn't have done this if she were her normal self.

    I hope more facts can be recovered to support this for the sake of her memory,
    the rest of the family, but most especially her son... he will face a lot of hurt in the future by people who assume and judge without knowing his mother.

    Maybe before posting your opinions in a thread like this you should at least have your facts straight. You admit that you weren't always paying attention to the documentary because you were playing with your dog, and yet you have such a strong opinion of this woman and don't believe the evidence. I think it's only fair to the victims and the OP of this thread that you at least know something about what you're talking about before you blindly defend a drunk driver that killed 8 people, including 5 children.

    Take it easy buddy. You need to calm down a little bit here. Everybody has a right to their opinion, eveerybody's opinion is not going to be 100% like any body elses ever. . Mrs. Pandora's obviously not coming from a blind and factless place regarding her opinion on this, so your post looks off target especially and out-of-place harsh. Rules of the board. "be nice" and PJ is 100% big on respect. I always found you to be a kind poster.
  • The Waiting Trophy Man
    The Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
    Dang Dang wrote:
    Take it easy buddy. You need to calm down a little bit here. Everybody has a right to their opinion, eveerybody's opinion is not going to be 100% like any body elses ever. . Mrs. Pandora's obviously not coming from a blind and factless place regarding her opinion on this, so your post looks off target especially and out-of-place harsh. Rules of the board. "be nice" and PJ is 100% big on respect. I always found you to be a kind poster.

    I am calm. I simply stated that she missed important information from the documentary that we're discussing and that before she forms an opinion on the matter she should maybe watch the whole thing first. I know the rules, thanks. There has been no name calling or insults. My tone may have been direct and serious, but I'm not being mean or disrespectful - not to worry.

    Edit: And by the way, I realise everyone is entitled to their own opinion; however, people should at least educate themselves on the subject before forming their opinions and debating with others.
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    Another habit says its long overdue
    Another habit like an unwanted friend
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  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Dang Dang wrote:
    Take it easy buddy. You need to calm down a little bit here. Everybody has a right to their opinion, eveerybody's opinion is not going to be 100% like any body elses ever. . Mrs. Pandora's obviously not coming from a blind and factless place regarding her opinion on this, so your post looks off target especially and out-of-place harsh. Rules of the board. "be nice" and PJ is 100% big on respect. I always found you to be a kind poster.

    I am calm. I simply stated that she missed important information from the documentary that we're discussing and that before she forms an opinion on the matter she should maybe watch the whole thing first. I know the rules, thanks. There has been no name calling or insults. My tone may have been direct and serious, but I'm not being mean or disrespectful - not to worry.

    Edit: And by the way, I realise everyone is entitled to their own opinion; however, people should at least educate themselves on the subject before forming their opinions and debating with others.

    I'm so sorry my Miss Lucy came for some lovin and I missed some info that would not have effected my opinion anyways. It may have been a minute at the most because I caught the rest.

    My opinion rests on this woman who I have faith in.

    I will always believe she was ill,
    not a person without care, not a person with an addiction,
    not a person who would make the decision early on a Sunday morning to get fucked up
    after breakfast and a 30 minute ride home with all the kids she loves in the car.
    Drive like a maniac and kill herself and almost all of them and 3 others.
    I do not think the facts support this.
    I will believe she was in the middle of a crisis.... a medical emergency.
    For me, the facts support this.
    And as I keep saying for her small son's sake I hope the additional facts
    will be found to support this and him through his life.

    I'm sure you would want this for this boy and his family also.

    sorry we disagree but perhaps next time we won't ... all we can hope for :D

    :wave: hey Dang Dang hope your Saturday is awesome! :D
  • prljamgirl
    prljamgirl Edmonton, AB Posts: 602
    pandora wrote:
    No one will convince me she drank and drove on purpose after watching the doc

    she was 30 minutes from home, it was morning

    she was straight from all accounts until the headache came on

    the headache caused by a brain event from a tooth abscess that caused delirium

    another brain autopsy is required to clear her of the purposeful death of these children

    it is an injustice to her, her husband and surviving child for people to blame her, ridicule,
    destroy her memory, that of a very loving, capable, accomplished, big spirited woman,
    who would do "anything for anyone".

    The truth needs to be found so her boy can move through life with his mama in his heart.

    NO ONE SAID IT WAS PURPOSEFUL!!!!!!!! I don't know where you are getting this info from....I haven't seen one person in this thread say it was on purpose. You actually talk as though you knew her personally or know her family or something......
  • prljamgirl
    prljamgirl Edmonton, AB Posts: 602
    pandora wrote:
    That was so kind of you... thoughful... I bet it was my Lucy... she comes to me for some petting
    can't resist ... most can't ;) she is lovely and sweet and always a welcome distraction. :D

    How much more condescending can you get, seriously? Can we not have any conversations in this pit as adults? There's not need for snarky replies like that....

    pandora wrote:
    I go back to the wonderful woman Diane was and that she was not a drinker nor a drug addict.

    HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS???? Do you have any idea how many people out there are CLOSET drinkers and drug addicts?? I promise you there are is at least one person that you know personally that has a drug or alcohol problem and you have NO idea, because they are THAT good at hiding it.....
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